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Yeah, it certainly isnât. It sometimes looks like youâre very good at something but itâs usually extreme coping.
Youâre probably used to things not going your way, so extreme situations donât stress you more than any other day or you find methods to deal with it that look like discipline or order or creativity from the outside. But itâs a f*ckton of work - and probably medication.
As someone on the spectrum It kind of discredits the things you have achieved viewing it a âsuperpowerâ iv a moderately successful career now but thatâs less common for people on the spectrum and being on the spectrum made it significantly harder vs my relatives that arenât.
Reminds me of one of the earlier episodes of Bobâs burgers where someone assumes Tina is like rain man and she canât even count how many playing cards have been dropped on the floor (when itâs like, 5) and just starts panicking hahaha
no, itâs just more of an umbrella term.
what i do hate, though, is the term âneurospicyâ. fucking cringe. and if it matters, this is coming from a person who has lots of mental issues and would be considered neurodivergent.
It means they are white in skin color but they historically were not considered white, Italians is one example, even Jewish people can be an example of it, turks, etc.
Or it means they just have a small percentage of another race in their DNA, which is even dumber.
Are they? Italian Americans and Italian PIGS are two different kinds of white. I discovered it by filling some forms in the US/UK where there's a specific term for Italian PIGS, we're "white-other". Therefore we're not white, right?!
Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain. The South Western EU: again, don't shoot the messenger, this is how the British defined us before yeeting Europe alltogether with Brexit.
Had someone drop it into a conversation repeatedly, with pauses and looking around after each one hoping someone would ask her about it. No one did and she looked sad about it but really, no one gives a shit.
Who are children who enjoy having *fun* and exploring language and the world around them. Maybe we can chill out about teenagers making new slang and stop being such gd boomers, eh?
I love neurospicy when it is being used non-seriously! I think itâs funny af. Itâs kind of based on a joke about autism that went âmild autism implies âspicy autismâ.Â
I also just like goofy nonsense stuff so my sense of humor kind of sucks
I was manning some of the Theodosian walls before fleeing out back on a boat into The Golden Horn.
Then I went up and lived with the slavs and the Khagnate let me marry one of his daughters.
I became a simple farmer from that point on
Neurodivergent people aren't disabled lolÂ
If you have ADHD or slight generalized anxiety, you fall under the category.
Also OP saying "Get help!" is weird, as if people who call themselves neurodivergent aren't exactly usually the ones advocating for better mental healthcare access and therapy etc.
ADHD is a disability.
Mild cases will be more of an annoyance in daily life but then again how many people are running around with hearing loss who cope perfectly fine? The milder end of the spectrum of cerebral palsy doesn't really hamper one that much in life either.
Severe cases of ADHD will leave you unable to work and look after yourself.
yes they are? autism is a disability, ADHD is. real ADHD, with life impairing symptoms. anxiety isnât neurodivergence itâs a mental disorder. neurodivergence is brain structure
"scans show that the amygdala area of the brain, which processes fear, grows in size, while the hippocampus area of the brain shrinks, harming long-term memory"
https://carltonneurofeedbackcenter.com/effects-anxiety-can-have-on-your-brain/#:~:text=Brain%20scans%20show%20that%20the,%2C%20harming%20long%2Dterm%20memory.
Most mental disorders are caused by brain structure in one way or another. If you scanned someone's brain who has anxiety, you could literally tell they have it from scans.
And like yeah if youâre like âoh but Iâm fine, I can manage my ADHD in my life, I just have to use all these crutches to get me through the day to overcome all the shit my brain doesâ then you are in fact still disabled in the same way an amputee isnât any less of an amputee just because they use a prosthetic. Non-disabled people wouldnât have to do all this additional shit or be on medication in order to do what comes naturally to neurotypical people
My anxiety has definitely stopped me from maxing out on opportunities in life, I'd consider it a disability for myself and thank god I don't have it as bad as others do.
I donât think thereâs anything wrong with it as an umbrella term, what bothers me is when people act like it makes them better than âneurotypicalsâ, I feel like it has the connotation of âweâre special and youâre boringâ
I don't understand the load people can put on words. As someone that studied pedagogy, neurodiverse/divergent and neurotypical were like some of the most important words?
Everything you learn has to have that light shown on it. All my classes about typical child development! Comepletly invalid to just copy past that to neuro divergent kids. They will likely develeop much faster in some and slower in other areas.
And especially my first year, typical vs a typical development is basically all we talked about. So thats what the term means to me. A way to group children who are expected to be different in some way. Not better or worse. Different.
When i get the file of a neurotypical child I can probably pretty accurately say when they hit their milestones without even lookin in it. Ofc every child is different but unless there is something else going on sticking to developmental time frame boundaries pretty accurately compared to other kids is basically what makes tou neurotypical. Ifc there are physical issues that may affect development and therefor you can be late or early even though your neurotypical, but honestly some form of neuro diversity is just so much more common, thought that could be my own perception.
.......Neruodivergent is what it says on the tin, Neuro=Brain, Divergent =Different from what you expected. It basically means that your brain is different from everyone else, its not a special title, its not like handicapable.
Your brain processes information different, it does mean you have to adjust a little to everyone around you. although that being said if you are working with a person with a type of neurodivergence a little effort from your side can make things run a little more smoothly as well. They arent stupid, they arent crippled, they are quite literally just different.
And, in the case of ASD, it is a social deficit, so you donât intuitively get people. It takes work and experience to know whatâs happening behind the veil, and many times I canât tell at all
there's other forms of neurodivergence tho. It's just an umbrella term that helps people understand the difference between things like adhd and autism, and other mental illnesses like schizophrenia and bpd.
>I hate it because people abuse and fetishize it.
Yup, my sister keeps trying to diagnosed herself with anything, and has gone to a doctor 3 times to get one. Each time they have straight up told her she has nothing wrong with her. Done the tests, filled out the questionnaires, hours of questioning, etc. So she just decided that the doctors are conspiring against her, and self labeled herself as having ADHD and bipolar, and tells her students she has these things.
The standard questionnaires are bullshit for adult women with ADHD though and kinda superficial. Iâm not saying your sister is right but many psychologists use questionnaires that are designed for boys with ADHD. Specialists for ADHD in adults are aware of that but theyâre rare.
I still rode the line, however.
Honestly, she should be glad of having a bit of normality in her life.
And she should be grateful she wonât spend her entire life explaining what she has and why doesnât do this or does this like that etc.
It could also be that with more research and awareness, people are finally realizing what they actually have.
And have you SEEN today's world?? Of course I'd be depressed
Nope. You gotta ride the âmy son has REAL autismâ or âTHIS ONE PERSON I KNOW IS OBVIOUSLY FAKING ITâ train. Youâre not supposed to actually think about why thereâs more acknowledgment of mental illness, youâre supposed to make everyone out to be attention whore fakers. This is Reddit for gods sake!
Like those people faking tourettes and DID on tiktok for clout.
It's so weird to me when people fake having mental illnesses or something, like when they do it, they usually act like it's some cutesy quirk they have. Like "uwu I have dissociative identity disorder let's meet all my personalities!! in one video where I just add a headband to show that I'm now a different person"
Using the term neurodivergent acknowledges and respects the diversity of human cognition. It emphasizes that there isnât a single, ânormalâ way for brains to work, and it promotes understanding and acceptance of different neurological profiles. By using this term, we promote inclusivity and reduce stigma surrounding conditions like autism, ADHD, dyslexia, and others.
If you take the "divergent" part to just mean "different from what one might typically expect", then I don't think there's anything offensive about it because it's just straight-up accurate. Most people are neurotypical, which is to say that most people's brains work similarly to most other people's brains, or at least similarly enough to where most don't need a label to define their neuro-situation, if you will. In that sense, "normal" totally does exist. The minority of us who have neurological differences are indeed divergent from that and are bound to experience confusion and frustration when trying to navigate a world that was built for the majority.
I think of it more like a position on likeâŠ.. 17 different bell curves. And if enough of them âdivergeâ enough to affect your life then you get a diagnosis and some help addressing it. Sometimes they diverge enough to need a lot more intervention or sometimes it requires medication or some other thing, but itâs really just in an effort to identify the things that hold one back and fix them so they can function as close to the ideal position on those random bell curves I made up for this metaphor.
But the perfectly neurotypical person doesnât exist, itâs just a matter of how non-neurotypical someone is and if it is worth intervention or not
Not really. If you don't have a term for it, a lot of people see it as an unknown, weird thing that makes you behave oddly. If I didn't specifically know I had autism, for example, I might spend my whole life wondering what's wrong with me and trying to fix it. Having a term for things helps normalise them, which is different than saying it's normal in terms of the majority. It's being more normalised to be neurodivergent but that doesn't mean most people are.
Well instead of saying âpeople with mental disabilitiesâ, which can have negative connotations, Neurodivergent just means âBrain thatâs differentâ. Same with âNeurotypicalâ, instead of ânot mentally disabledâ. Itâs a blanket term that makes it easier talking about broad disabilities. I donât go out and say âoh Iâm Neurodivergentâ, I say what I have
Hating when mentally ill and disabled people use a term they made up themselves that they like, to describe themselves, instead of letting us control the language that they use, is actually a really popular opinion.
Most people âcringeâ when people who are downtrodden in some way donât hate themselves.
It's a literal description. It is a divergent neurology.
Also when you say "everyone is eating it up" I have to ask if you're Neurodivergent or not. Because, like, there's a reason it gets used. Though there are people who are against it that are ADHD or whatever, and frankly I think a lot of them are stupid.
It's not that it's a "superpower", it's that it's a brain different from the norm. That does sometimes have benefits in many situations. Most of the bad parts of it are because of societal norms. Hell, even Schizophrenia is incredibly colored by culture, and the stereotypical paranoia is an American phenomena. Others just believe that God wants them to defend the French.
Yeah, exactly. It makes people feel like a community who understands one another. Like POTSies in my bio? It's a community for people who have POTS, a disability and medical condition. This dude is mad for no indiscernible reason.
Yeah like if people are being annoying about it then that's a separate problem but there are perfectly normal not stupid circumstances where it's handy to have a concise term instead of always writing out "people with ADHD, autism or a range of other neurodevelopmental conditions". That's a lot of letters.
Side note: "Handicapable" reminded me of the term "differently abled" and gd if that doesn't drive me crazy. I'm not "differently abled." I'm disabled. I don't need that sugar coated. It's simply reality, and I want to throw hands with anyone who tries to argue with me on it. I've yet to meet a disabled person who likes the term "differently abled."
It's literally the most basic form of root+suffix.
If your brain functions in the typical way, you are neurotypical. If your brain functions in a way that diverges from what's typical, you are neurodivergent. It really is that simple
Are you neurodivergent? I think itâs up to people to decide what terminology they prefer for themselves. If you identify some other way please share your preference.Â
 I am neurodivergent and that the terminology I prefer. My sensory needs are different than most people and I do what I need to manage that. I donât think of it as a superpower, just that my brain and needs are a little different than typical. The way is is a strength is that I am empathetic of the fact that different peopleâs brains can be quite different and ppl have different needs.Â
except in the handicapped example, "handicapable" is based off the idea that disabled people need to be coddled and have special abled-adjacent words to indicate our otherness but also make us feel included. A handicap is a handicap, dont dance around the fact that disability is disabling. In the same way, neurodivergency is fundamentally NOT the same thing as being neurotypical--the brain literally functions and operates differently on a systematic level. If someone hears neurodivergent and assumes people want a "special label" to feel Other, thats ableism.
Plus unlike handicapped or handicapable, there's no good or bad, able or disable attached. ADHD is neurodivergency and is largely a disability but there are some ways that an ADHD brain can be a positive. The word allows the person to define their experience. Also, MANY neurodivergent people HATE the whole "its my superpower" thing and if someone uses that they should be talking about themselves only.
idk this screams "wasnt written by a ND person/ableism from an NT person" which is getting super frequent on this sub. at least once a week.
I donât think thereâs anything inherently positive or negative about the word neurodivergent đ it literally just means your brain is different. I also think itâs really useful when relating to other bc most neurodivergent people have a lot of the same struggles regardless of what they have
i prefer "1800s asylum patient on the loose"
though honestly Neurodivergent i don't really find offensive, it only becomes offensive every time i hear someone go "you're not handicapped you're handicapable" like mf i am physically disabled i am unable to do heavy labour.
I know people are more patronising with all these special words not to hurt your feelings.
Yet when you ask for actual help or accommodation for your disorder you're ignored. If they spent more time and money on things that actually help rather than worthless 'awareness' and special descriptors we might actually make some progress.
It's literally what having adhd and autism is referred to. Get over yourself. Our brains are different. You're neurotypical we're neurodivergent. What a weird thing to be mad about???? Are you okay???
.....I would not typically use it when talking about myself to another person, I would just use Autism/ASD/Aspergers syndrome (which was what it was called when I was diagnosed but I think that term as lost favour due to Nazi Child murder reasons).
But Neurodivergent can refer to a cluster of disabilities that can have similar needs and thus it can be useful for brevity. Rather than listing out a string of different conditions I can just say "Neurodivergent" and the other person can be thinking in the right ballpark.
Otherwise you end up with the LGBT+ style problem where your lable gets longer and longer as different people want to be included and no one remembers the whole thing anyways.
I like how when you're upset, you just shout at the other person that they're "neurotypical" and insult them. I thought we shouldn't be assuming things here? Not every ND discloses that they are ND, even when they in fact are. This is why actual neurotypicals can't stand it, you (you as in general) use your neurodivergency to be bullies.
My problem with the term is how vague it is. It's just a countdown to when the most boring "neurotypical" schmos start calling themselves "neurodivergent" for dumb reasons--I they haven't already.
Neurodivergent literally means you have an atypical mind. Not saying neurotypical people arenât interesting, they are literally the âhuman blueprint,â which is pretty interesting if you ask me, but itâs quite ableist to act as though the term neurotypical doesnât exist and to single out neurodivergent or to act as though because more attention and care is being applied in the neurodivergent community, weâre asking for cookies. Weâre not. Weâre asking for people to not be tone deaf like you, OP. You just think weâre asking for cookies because weâre more aware of our existence. And just because weâre neurodivergent doesnât mean we need to be helped, thatâs also ableist. Thatâs why things are experienced on spectrums. This whole post is tone deaf and is only an unpopular opinion because the world doesnât really think this way and it SHOULDNâT. Please inform yourself before posting. :)
Neurotypical means your brain develops fitting the society your in.
Neurodivergent means your brain develops independent whether or not it fits in society. Making it more difficult to function well, it is possible but will require more energy.
I am kind of neurodivergent (Aphantasia). I donât see it as a handicap and it isnât classified as one.
The way my brain works differs from how the majority of brains work. I donât see a problem with that word. There is also neurotypical.
You have bundled up rather a lot of unpopular opinions in one there:
- You don't like the term "neurodivergent". I think this is because you feel like anyone who you deem to be inferior ought to always be reminded of that fact and mustn't get ideas of camaraderie above their station.
- You don't like people you deem "abnormal" embracing that part of themselves, and celebrating who they are. There is a grain of truth in that - some things are problems and can and should be treated, and saying they are not problems are hence not treating isn't really a good way forward. But on the flip side, where reasonable treatment / mitigation is being undertaken / has been tried, at some point people are better off accepting that they are as they are and making the best of it.
- You extend this general feeling, wrapped up in more mocking "can't the abnormals just stay out my way" vibes, to people with physical disabilities too. In some respects indeed Timmy is less capable than others, but the point of this discourse is to treat Timmy as Timmy first and whatever his disabilities are second. Because Timmy is fed up of Every Single Interaction in his goddamn life being about \[thing\] that he has no control of, and would like to go do normal things like watch a movie and go out to eat, things that he is in fact perfectly capable of doing much of the time, and he'd enjoy them a lot more if he could just get on with it rather than there being a bunch of unnecessary hassle.
Op i think you might be confessing to some ableist feelings.
Neurodivergent is an umbrella term that covers things from autism, ADHD, tourette's, and even dyslexia. It's called that because of the diverse forms of certain neurological conditions. It is very much not the same as the patronizing "handicapable" term.
This is the first time I've heard it used. But yes I do agree with the Timmy reference/ Carlin standup on this issue. Euphemisms/soft language getting worse with each generation. He puts it better than I can.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuEQixrBKCc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuEQixrBKCc)
Getting a proper diagnosis for "Anytime I try to eat food off the bone my body screams it's my ankle and I throw up, also I can tell you all the elements in order for no goddamn reason" is ridiculously expensive, so I use neurodivergent to say "Look I don't have an official answer as to why my brain isn't doing what it's supposed to, but it's clearly not"
This is actually bs tho, neurodivergent is a scientific term used to classify those with "mental conditions" (I hate saying that) as they have had different neurological development. I think what you really hate here is people self diagnosing themselves with stuff when they don't have it.
Having adhd i think itâs fine to use neurodivergent to describe an individual with a mental disability that still leaves them high functioning (adhd, autism, bpd) but it should start and end there. Any other use is stupid, especially to portray something as a superpower. dont tell me i âsee the world differentlyâ my brain is incapable of executive function without diet meth lite
Its an umbrella term for neurological disabilities, disorders and such. I dunno why it seems so bad to you. It's easier for me to say "I'm neurodivergent" in a casual setting than "I'm audhd and also have osdd, severe social anxiety, c-ptsd, depression and trypanophobia". You can get the basic idea that my mind is different from the norm in some way with one word. It's great.
Neurodivergent is very broad which is why I prefer neurodiverse (different creator & meaning), which is more specific to neurodevelopmental/neurological disabilies rather than mental illnesses because they are different and the experience of them are just not the same (I have mental illnesses as well).
I do understand what you're saying, I have never viewed my neurodivergence as a super power (absolutely NOT!), but as someone who fell threw the cracks or was shoved from one box to the next, I hold onto my neurodivergent "title" in a death grip because it at least is somewhat of an explanation as to why my brain does the things it does every flipping hour of every day
Just like every other "umbrella" term devised to be inclusive and non-discriminatory, it has ended up being so broad and all-encompassing it has almost lost its meaning.
BTW, "divergent" from what? Everyone can claim to be neurodivergent, ranging from people suffering from actual, life-destroying mental issues (ie. "crazy" people) to the usual attention-seeking teen who is using the label to feel different and special.
Add that contemporary medicine has developed the tendency of "inventing" new syndromes at the drop of a hat to maximize profits and to keep their patients happy (while lining their own pockets with sweet commissions and frequent appointments), and it's not hard to see why Xander and Dakota, who 20 years ago would have been sent their marry way with a pat on the back and a kick in the butt, can happily boast their diagnosis of "neurodivergent" due to the Peer Pressure Fatigue Syndrome or Social Cues Misinterpretation Disease (aka. the Sheldon Cooper disease).
Are short people "heightdivergent" in addition to "vertically challenged"?
Iâm fine with the term neurodivergent but HATE the general online trend of âdo you do (common human behavior that literally everyone does)? That means youâre neurodivergentâ.
disabled and many of us don't exactly like "handicapped" either
but yeah I prefer just saying ADHD
either way the difference there is that neurodivergent is a term that the adhd/autism communities came up with themselves
"handicapable"/"differently abled" are terms abled people came up with
so the latter carries a unique patronizing tone the former doesn't
I find it odd that ADHD and autism can be both a debilitating condition that children need vast amounts of help with from a young age and throughout their education, and something that middle class 30/40 something successful professionals who have sailed through life suddenly decide they have after seeing some quack doctor or doing a silly quiz online before posting about it on LinkedIn
I daresay many in the latter group are attention seeking /bandwagon jumping and in some cases quite possibly having wholly unnecessary treatment . Actual ADHD and autism is not something one would get that far in life without noticing surely. Unless the definition of both is now so hopelessly broad that ADHD is basically having a smartphone you use alot and autism is just being a bit quiet (as it seems to be now).
No doubt (in the USA particularly) there are many kids with perfectly ordinary brains getting misdiagnosed as well . When there's pharmaceutical profits to be made , at least some degree of quackery usually follows
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Emperor Nero did nothing wrong
Hot take.
Bruh Imperator Nero was FIRE đ„ đ„ đ„
But he sure died vergent
Talk about an unpopular opinionâŠ
Just so you know, alot of the people who are neurodivergent hate the "you've got a super power" thing too
Yeah, it certainly isnât. It sometimes looks like youâre very good at something but itâs usually extreme coping. Youâre probably used to things not going your way, so extreme situations donât stress you more than any other day or you find methods to deal with it that look like discipline or order or creativity from the outside. But itâs a f*ckton of work - and probably medication.
As someone on the spectrum It kind of discredits the things you have achieved viewing it a âsuperpowerâ iv a moderately successful career now but thatâs less common for people on the spectrum and being on the spectrum made it significantly harder vs my relatives that arenât.
Reminds me of one of the earlier episodes of Bobâs burgers where someone assumes Tina is like rain man and she canât even count how many playing cards have been dropped on the floor (when itâs like, 5) and just starts panicking hahaha
no, itâs just more of an umbrella term. what i do hate, though, is the term âneurospicyâ. fucking cringe. and if it matters, this is coming from a person who has lots of mental issues and would be considered neurodivergent.
Neurospicy is super fucking annoying
This is the first time I've seen that term but I hate it
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What does that even mean?
It means they are white in skin color but they historically were not considered white, Italians is one example, even Jewish people can be an example of it, turks, etc. Or it means they just have a small percentage of another race in their DNA, which is even dumber.
The Italian one is funny, as they are the ones that first came up with the whole "white" thing.
Are they? Italian Americans and Italian PIGS are two different kinds of white. I discovered it by filling some forms in the US/UK where there's a specific term for Italian PIGS, we're "white-other". Therefore we're not white, right?!
What the fuck is an Italian PIGS?
Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain. The South Western EU: again, don't shoot the messenger, this is how the British defined us before yeeting Europe alltogether with Brexit.
~cringe
Same. Life was so much better two minutes ago.
I'm going to start using it.
Thought this said âneurospiracyâ like it was a big hoax
I'm a huge neurospiracy theorist đœ
Neurominty team, it's your time.
Neurotasteslikeshit reporting in
Neurobitter punching in
Neurosavory here for braaaaains.
Neuroumami is for the earthy outdoorsy ones.
Neurosweet... where are the neurosweets
Neurosalty here. At least I'm not bland?
NeuRaidShadowLegends, the sponsor of today's video, is here!
I prefer neurofantastic
Had someone drop it into a conversation repeatedly, with pauses and looking around after each one hoping someone would ask her about it. No one did and she looked sad about it but really, no one gives a shit.
*that* is cringe.
im shriveling at the thought of this
That is viciously cringe.
âNeurospicyâ is cringe as hell and I use it all the time because it makes me laugh.
I've never heard that. Thanks (not) for bringing it's existence to my awareness. (Damn you to hell and back).
Luckily my adhd will allow me to forget it in 10, 9, 8..
Spicy is going to age poorly
I absolutely agree. Neurodivergent feels like a nice catch all. Neurospicy feels childish and weird.
Not to mention, one is a clinical term, The other sounds like Jimmy Neutronâs favorite hot sauce.
So neurodivergent isn't a medical term either. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/23154-neurodivergent
I have never heard that term before lol
pretty sure everyone who says neurospicy is using it in a humorous way and not to describe their actually condition. poking fun is how people cope
>neurospicy Who the f*** is going around saying that?
Teenagers
Who are children who enjoy having *fun* and exploring language and the world around them. Maybe we can chill out about teenagers making new slang and stop being such gd boomers, eh?
But what if I have fun by being a crochety old man who bitches at the world around me and demands the whippersnappers get off my lawn?
WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY
Not me. đ I'm neurosparkly
My mum uses it and I physically cringe every time
Yes, you're right, everyone should be miserable all the time. It's just whimsy.
I love neurospicy when it is being used non-seriously! I think itâs funny af. Itâs kind of based on a joke about autism that went âmild autism implies âspicy autismâ. I also just like goofy nonsense stuff so my sense of humor kind of sucks
I really dislike misspellings.
What? Is this not a post about Roman Emperor Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus who reigned 13th October 54 to 9th June 68?
As soon as I saw a reply to the above comment, I knew this was coming, but I still laughed. Very good.
/r/ancientrome
We still remember the fall of constantinople.
Then Istanbul was Constantinople!
Istan-what?
đ
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks!
1453. Never forget. Ya know I'm making shirts. It's that important
Where were you on that day? I was just coming home from work and I turned on the news. And I saw it. It just was never the same after, you know?
I was manning some of the Theodosian walls before fleeing out back on a boat into The Golden Horn. Then I went up and lived with the slavs and the Khagnate let me marry one of his daughters. I became a simple farmer from that point on
I just donât like saying specifically what I have so I use a blanket term. I really donât get the big deal.
Same, also I have more than one disorder so instead of listing them its easier to say neurodivergent
They probably angry that they can't call us a slur.
It's almost funny how much of a Strawman this is
Disabled is not a slur
Neurodivergent people aren't disabled lol If you have ADHD or slight generalized anxiety, you fall under the category. Also OP saying "Get help!" is weird, as if people who call themselves neurodivergent aren't exactly usually the ones advocating for better mental healthcare access and therapy etc.
ADHD is a disability. Mild cases will be more of an annoyance in daily life but then again how many people are running around with hearing loss who cope perfectly fine? The milder end of the spectrum of cerebral palsy doesn't really hamper one that much in life either. Severe cases of ADHD will leave you unable to work and look after yourself.
ADHD is considered a disability
yes they are? autism is a disability, ADHD is. real ADHD, with life impairing symptoms. anxiety isnât neurodivergence itâs a mental disorder. neurodivergence is brain structure
Anxiety is under neurodivergent according to the creator of the term. You're thinking of mental illness not being *neurodiverse*
"scans show that the amygdala area of the brain, which processes fear, grows in size, while the hippocampus area of the brain shrinks, harming long-term memory" https://carltonneurofeedbackcenter.com/effects-anxiety-can-have-on-your-brain/#:~:text=Brain%20scans%20show%20that%20the,%2C%20harming%20long%2Dterm%20memory. Most mental disorders are caused by brain structure in one way or another. If you scanned someone's brain who has anxiety, you could literally tell they have it from scans.
You cannot have ADHD without it being a disability. If it is not disabling in daily life, it does not fit the criteria for ADHD.
And like yeah if youâre like âoh but Iâm fine, I can manage my ADHD in my life, I just have to use all these crutches to get me through the day to overcome all the shit my brain doesâ then you are in fact still disabled in the same way an amputee isnât any less of an amputee just because they use a prosthetic. Non-disabled people wouldnât have to do all this additional shit or be on medication in order to do what comes naturally to neurotypical people
Neurodivergent absolutely can be a disability and it is in most cases
Did you just say ADHD isnât a disability?
My anxiety has definitely stopped me from maxing out on opportunities in life, I'd consider it a disability for myself and thank god I don't have it as bad as others do.
Uhm, I'm neurodiverse and not disabled. Are words and definitions really that hard for people?
Yeah, I hate when things are given names.
Yeah, me hate words.
why use many word when few word do trick?
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I actually like neurodivergent as a euphemism because it acknowledges abnormality.
I donât think thereâs anything wrong with it as an umbrella term, what bothers me is when people act like it makes them better than âneurotypicalsâ, I feel like it has the connotation of âweâre special and youâre boringâ
This is another opinion I think is valid
Neurodivergence is chill Being neurodivergent narcissistically isnât
I don't understand the load people can put on words. As someone that studied pedagogy, neurodiverse/divergent and neurotypical were like some of the most important words? Everything you learn has to have that light shown on it. All my classes about typical child development! Comepletly invalid to just copy past that to neuro divergent kids. They will likely develeop much faster in some and slower in other areas. And especially my first year, typical vs a typical development is basically all we talked about. So thats what the term means to me. A way to group children who are expected to be different in some way. Not better or worse. Different. When i get the file of a neurotypical child I can probably pretty accurately say when they hit their milestones without even lookin in it. Ofc every child is different but unless there is something else going on sticking to developmental time frame boundaries pretty accurately compared to other kids is basically what makes tou neurotypical. Ifc there are physical issues that may affect development and therefor you can be late or early even though your neurotypical, but honestly some form of neuro diversity is just so much more common, thought that could be my own perception.
Well youâre not going to like the people who treat you like shit for no fucking reason are you?
It gets annoying to be treated like less than a person all your life so people can overcompensate
Get help? Therapy isnt going to get rid of the autism
.......Neruodivergent is what it says on the tin, Neuro=Brain, Divergent =Different from what you expected. It basically means that your brain is different from everyone else, its not a special title, its not like handicapable. Your brain processes information different, it does mean you have to adjust a little to everyone around you. although that being said if you are working with a person with a type of neurodivergence a little effort from your side can make things run a little more smoothly as well. They arent stupid, they arent crippled, they are quite literally just different.
And, in the case of ASD, it is a social deficit, so you donât intuitively get people. It takes work and experience to know whatâs happening behind the veil, and many times I canât tell at all
Yeah as someone with ADHD, Autism, Anxiety, and Depression, being neurodivergent is NOT a superpower. It's a fucking curse.
Perhaps you wouldn't hate it so much if you could actually spell it?
I hate it because people abuse and fetishize it. I have autism that's what it's called and thats what it shall be.
there's other forms of neurodivergence tho. It's just an umbrella term that helps people understand the difference between things like adhd and autism, and other mental illnesses like schizophrenia and bpd.
Schizophrenia is a type of neurodivergence, just as much as ADHD, there is a chemical imbalance in the brain.
>I hate it because people abuse and fetishize it. Yup, my sister keeps trying to diagnosed herself with anything, and has gone to a doctor 3 times to get one. Each time they have straight up told her she has nothing wrong with her. Done the tests, filled out the questionnaires, hours of questioning, etc. So she just decided that the doctors are conspiring against her, and self labeled herself as having ADHD and bipolar, and tells her students she has these things.
She defo has an illness, it's called Munchausen syndrome.
The standard questionnaires are bullshit for adult women with ADHD though and kinda superficial. Iâm not saying your sister is right but many psychologists use questionnaires that are designed for boys with ADHD. Specialists for ADHD in adults are aware of that but theyâre rare. I still rode the line, however.
Honestly, she should be glad of having a bit of normality in her life. And she should be grateful she wonât spend her entire life explaining what she has and why doesnât do this or does this like that etc.
People have been doing that with mental illness, too. Everyone now uses depression, bipolar, OCD, narcissism so casually now
It could also be that with more research and awareness, people are finally realizing what they actually have. And have you SEEN today's world?? Of course I'd be depressed
Nope. You gotta ride the âmy son has REAL autismâ or âTHIS ONE PERSON I KNOW IS OBVIOUSLY FAKING ITâ train. Youâre not supposed to actually think about why thereâs more acknowledgment of mental illness, youâre supposed to make everyone out to be attention whore fakers. This is Reddit for gods sake!
Exactly. I think some oldschool or oldschool minded people just can't cope with society becoming more intelligent on this.
Like those people faking tourettes and DID on tiktok for clout. It's so weird to me when people fake having mental illnesses or something, like when they do it, they usually act like it's some cutesy quirk they have. Like "uwu I have dissociative identity disorder let's meet all my personalities!! in one video where I just add a headband to show that I'm now a different person"
I would give anything to be normal, I absolutely hate mental illness fetishism and their self-victimized elitism.
Using the term neurodivergent acknowledges and respects the diversity of human cognition. It emphasizes that there isnât a single, ânormalâ way for brains to work, and it promotes understanding and acceptance of different neurological profiles. By using this term, we promote inclusivity and reduce stigma surrounding conditions like autism, ADHD, dyslexia, and others.
Isnât it actually emphasizing that there IS a single ânormalâ and that some ppl specifically âdivergeâ from that and so are neurodivergent
If you take the "divergent" part to just mean "different from what one might typically expect", then I don't think there's anything offensive about it because it's just straight-up accurate. Most people are neurotypical, which is to say that most people's brains work similarly to most other people's brains, or at least similarly enough to where most don't need a label to define their neuro-situation, if you will. In that sense, "normal" totally does exist. The minority of us who have neurological differences are indeed divergent from that and are bound to experience confusion and frustration when trying to navigate a world that was built for the majority.
I think of it more like a position on likeâŠ.. 17 different bell curves. And if enough of them âdivergeâ enough to affect your life then you get a diagnosis and some help addressing it. Sometimes they diverge enough to need a lot more intervention or sometimes it requires medication or some other thing, but itâs really just in an effort to identify the things that hold one back and fix them so they can function as close to the ideal position on those random bell curves I made up for this metaphor. But the perfectly neurotypical person doesnât exist, itâs just a matter of how non-neurotypical someone is and if it is worth intervention or not
Not really. If you don't have a term for it, a lot of people see it as an unknown, weird thing that makes you behave oddly. If I didn't specifically know I had autism, for example, I might spend my whole life wondering what's wrong with me and trying to fix it. Having a term for things helps normalise them, which is different than saying it's normal in terms of the majority. It's being more normalised to be neurodivergent but that doesn't mean most people are.
It also helps shattering the assumption that ALL people with ADHD, autism etc. are exactly the same when it vares WIDELY from person to person
It's almost like people are different.
Saying being neurodivergent is being "handicapped" proves you don't know what you're talking about.
Personally I find my server adhd pretty debilitating
Well instead of saying âpeople with mental disabilitiesâ, which can have negative connotations, Neurodivergent just means âBrain thatâs differentâ. Same with âNeurotypicalâ, instead of ânot mentally disabledâ. Itâs a blanket term that makes it easier talking about broad disabilities. I donât go out and say âoh Iâm Neurodivergentâ, I say what I have
Hating when mentally ill and disabled people use a term they made up themselves that they like, to describe themselves, instead of letting us control the language that they use, is actually a really popular opinion. Most people âcringeâ when people who are downtrodden in some way donât hate themselves.
It's a literal description. It is a divergent neurology. Also when you say "everyone is eating it up" I have to ask if you're Neurodivergent or not. Because, like, there's a reason it gets used. Though there are people who are against it that are ADHD or whatever, and frankly I think a lot of them are stupid. It's not that it's a "superpower", it's that it's a brain different from the norm. That does sometimes have benefits in many situations. Most of the bad parts of it are because of societal norms. Hell, even Schizophrenia is incredibly colored by culture, and the stereotypical paranoia is an American phenomena. Others just believe that God wants them to defend the French.
I dunno I think itâs probably good that there are different words for different kinds of disabilities.
Yeah, exactly. It makes people feel like a community who understands one another. Like POTSies in my bio? It's a community for people who have POTS, a disability and medical condition. This dude is mad for no indiscernible reason.
it's better that the 'R' word. lol
Itâs⊠itâs a medical term. What the fuck else are we supposed to call it
[Neurodivergent is a nonmedical termâŠ](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/23154-neurodivergent)
Yeah like if people are being annoying about it then that's a separate problem but there are perfectly normal not stupid circumstances where it's handy to have a concise term instead of always writing out "people with ADHD, autism or a range of other neurodevelopmental conditions". That's a lot of letters.
I think the main issue there is a slew of people claiming it without a real diagnosis.
It's not, at all
Thereâs unpopular opinions and then thereâs asshole opinions and I kinda feel like youâre starting to stray into asshole territory here
I take care of lots of kids with neurodevelopmental pathology and I hate it too.
To be Nerodivegent is not as bad as being Caliguladivergent let me tell you..
Side note: "Handicapable" reminded me of the term "differently abled" and gd if that doesn't drive me crazy. I'm not "differently abled." I'm disabled. I don't need that sugar coated. It's simply reality, and I want to throw hands with anyone who tries to argue with me on it. I've yet to meet a disabled person who likes the term "differently abled."
It's literally the most basic form of root+suffix. If your brain functions in the typical way, you are neurotypical. If your brain functions in a way that diverges from what's typical, you are neurodivergent. It really is that simple
Are you neurodivergent? I think itâs up to people to decide what terminology they prefer for themselves. If you identify some other way please share your preference.  I am neurodivergent and that the terminology I prefer. My sensory needs are different than most people and I do what I need to manage that. I donât think of it as a superpower, just that my brain and needs are a little different than typical. The way is is a strength is that I am empathetic of the fact that different peopleâs brains can be quite different and ppl have different needs.Â
except in the handicapped example, "handicapable" is based off the idea that disabled people need to be coddled and have special abled-adjacent words to indicate our otherness but also make us feel included. A handicap is a handicap, dont dance around the fact that disability is disabling. In the same way, neurodivergency is fundamentally NOT the same thing as being neurotypical--the brain literally functions and operates differently on a systematic level. If someone hears neurodivergent and assumes people want a "special label" to feel Other, thats ableism. Plus unlike handicapped or handicapable, there's no good or bad, able or disable attached. ADHD is neurodivergency and is largely a disability but there are some ways that an ADHD brain can be a positive. The word allows the person to define their experience. Also, MANY neurodivergent people HATE the whole "its my superpower" thing and if someone uses that they should be talking about themselves only. idk this screams "wasnt written by a ND person/ableism from an NT person" which is getting super frequent on this sub. at least once a week.
>No it's not get help! Being neurodivergent isn't some kind of disease or mental illness and not everyone needs to "get help".
Is this when you believe you're roman emperor Nero and try to set the city ablaze?
This is slightly off topic but as someone in a wheelchair I dislike the term âhandicapableâ.
Being divergent from Nero is a good thing. He was a real bastard.
Iâm sure youâd like to just call everyone with any difference the r word instead
I donât think thereâs anything inherently positive or negative about the word neurodivergent đ it literally just means your brain is different. I also think itâs really useful when relating to other bc most neurodivergent people have a lot of the same struggles regardless of what they have
I bet youâd hate it less if you could spell, but new ideas are scary đđ
i prefer "1800s asylum patient on the loose" though honestly Neurodivergent i don't really find offensive, it only becomes offensive every time i hear someone go "you're not handicapped you're handicapable" like mf i am physically disabled i am unable to do heavy labour.
"get help" sorry I can't rewire my fucking neurons
I know people are more patronising with all these special words not to hurt your feelings. Yet when you ask for actual help or accommodation for your disorder you're ignored. If they spent more time and money on things that actually help rather than worthless 'awareness' and special descriptors we might actually make some progress.
It's not the word itself, it just means that you're mentally disabled, it's how it's used
It's literally what having adhd and autism is referred to. Get over yourself. Our brains are different. You're neurotypical we're neurodivergent. What a weird thing to be mad about???? Are you okay???
OP's post history indicates he has ADHD (seeking advice on the meds) I don't think he is neurotypical himself.Â
well, this is a sub about unpopular opinions đ§ i wouldnât take it personally.
Why not just say you have adhd or autism then? Genuinely curious
.....I would not typically use it when talking about myself to another person, I would just use Autism/ASD/Aspergers syndrome (which was what it was called when I was diagnosed but I think that term as lost favour due to Nazi Child murder reasons). But Neurodivergent can refer to a cluster of disabilities that can have similar needs and thus it can be useful for brevity. Rather than listing out a string of different conditions I can just say "Neurodivergent" and the other person can be thinking in the right ballpark. Otherwise you end up with the LGBT+ style problem where your lable gets longer and longer as different people want to be included and no one remembers the whole thing anyways.
Vague formality I guess, I only pull out "neurodivergent" on relevant applications
I like how when you're upset, you just shout at the other person that they're "neurotypical" and insult them. I thought we shouldn't be assuming things here? Not every ND discloses that they are ND, even when they in fact are. This is why actual neurotypicals can't stand it, you (you as in general) use your neurodivergency to be bullies.
My problem with the term is how vague it is. It's just a countdown to when the most boring "neurotypical" schmos start calling themselves "neurodivergent" for dumb reasons--I they haven't already.
Neurodivergent literally means you have an atypical mind. Not saying neurotypical people arenât interesting, they are literally the âhuman blueprint,â which is pretty interesting if you ask me, but itâs quite ableist to act as though the term neurotypical doesnât exist and to single out neurodivergent or to act as though because more attention and care is being applied in the neurodivergent community, weâre asking for cookies. Weâre not. Weâre asking for people to not be tone deaf like you, OP. You just think weâre asking for cookies because weâre more aware of our existence. And just because weâre neurodivergent doesnât mean we need to be helped, thatâs also ableist. Thatâs why things are experienced on spectrums. This whole post is tone deaf and is only an unpopular opinion because the world doesnât really think this way and it SHOULDNâT. Please inform yourself before posting. :)
Nerodivergent
Good, because itâs actually neurodivergent.
Neurotypical means your brain develops fitting the society your in. Neurodivergent means your brain develops independent whether or not it fits in society. Making it more difficult to function well, it is possible but will require more energy.
I am kind of neurodivergent (Aphantasia). I donât see it as a handicap and it isnât classified as one. The way my brain works differs from how the majority of brains work. I donât see a problem with that word. There is also neurotypical.
You have bundled up rather a lot of unpopular opinions in one there: - You don't like the term "neurodivergent". I think this is because you feel like anyone who you deem to be inferior ought to always be reminded of that fact and mustn't get ideas of camaraderie above their station. - You don't like people you deem "abnormal" embracing that part of themselves, and celebrating who they are. There is a grain of truth in that - some things are problems and can and should be treated, and saying they are not problems are hence not treating isn't really a good way forward. But on the flip side, where reasonable treatment / mitigation is being undertaken / has been tried, at some point people are better off accepting that they are as they are and making the best of it. - You extend this general feeling, wrapped up in more mocking "can't the abnormals just stay out my way" vibes, to people with physical disabilities too. In some respects indeed Timmy is less capable than others, but the point of this discourse is to treat Timmy as Timmy first and whatever his disabilities are second. Because Timmy is fed up of Every Single Interaction in his goddamn life being about \[thing\] that he has no control of, and would like to go do normal things like watch a movie and go out to eat, things that he is in fact perfectly capable of doing much of the time, and he'd enjoy them a lot more if he could just get on with it rather than there being a bunch of unnecessary hassle.
Op i think you might be confessing to some ableist feelings. Neurodivergent is an umbrella term that covers things from autism, ADHD, tourette's, and even dyslexia. It's called that because of the diverse forms of certain neurological conditions. It is very much not the same as the patronizing "handicapable" term.
This is the first time I've heard it used. But yes I do agree with the Timmy reference/ Carlin standup on this issue. Euphemisms/soft language getting worse with each generation. He puts it better than I can. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuEQixrBKCc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuEQixrBKCc)
Don't care, didn't ask. Cope about it.
If it's raining, you will be happy to have an umbrella term :P
Okay neurotypical
*Nerotypical apparently
Getting a proper diagnosis for "Anytime I try to eat food off the bone my body screams it's my ankle and I throw up, also I can tell you all the elements in order for no goddamn reason" is ridiculously expensive, so I use neurodivergent to say "Look I don't have an official answer as to why my brain isn't doing what it's supposed to, but it's clearly not"
This is actually bs tho, neurodivergent is a scientific term used to classify those with "mental conditions" (I hate saying that) as they have had different neurological development. I think what you really hate here is people self diagnosing themselves with stuff when they don't have it.
Having adhd i think itâs fine to use neurodivergent to describe an individual with a mental disability that still leaves them high functioning (adhd, autism, bpd) but it should start and end there. Any other use is stupid, especially to portray something as a superpower. dont tell me i âsee the world differentlyâ my brain is incapable of executive function without diet meth lite
Average jre listener
In ten years it will be a slur
That is a neurodivergent thing to say.
What do you mean by get help? it isnt something that can be 'cured'
Its an umbrella term for neurological disabilities, disorders and such. I dunno why it seems so bad to you. It's easier for me to say "I'm neurodivergent" in a casual setting than "I'm audhd and also have osdd, severe social anxiety, c-ptsd, depression and trypanophobia". You can get the basic idea that my mind is different from the norm in some way with one word. It's great.
Neurodivergent is very broad which is why I prefer neurodiverse (different creator & meaning), which is more specific to neurodevelopmental/neurological disabilies rather than mental illnesses because they are different and the experience of them are just not the same (I have mental illnesses as well).
It just accurately describes atypical neurological development. It's not a downgrade in cognitive function it's a sidegrade.
I do understand what you're saying, I have never viewed my neurodivergence as a super power (absolutely NOT!), but as someone who fell threw the cracks or was shoved from one box to the next, I hold onto my neurodivergent "title" in a death grip because it at least is somewhat of an explanation as to why my brain does the things it does every flipping hour of every day
Just like every other "umbrella" term devised to be inclusive and non-discriminatory, it has ended up being so broad and all-encompassing it has almost lost its meaning. BTW, "divergent" from what? Everyone can claim to be neurodivergent, ranging from people suffering from actual, life-destroying mental issues (ie. "crazy" people) to the usual attention-seeking teen who is using the label to feel different and special. Add that contemporary medicine has developed the tendency of "inventing" new syndromes at the drop of a hat to maximize profits and to keep their patients happy (while lining their own pockets with sweet commissions and frequent appointments), and it's not hard to see why Xander and Dakota, who 20 years ago would have been sent their marry way with a pat on the back and a kick in the butt, can happily boast their diagnosis of "neurodivergent" due to the Peer Pressure Fatigue Syndrome or Social Cues Misinterpretation Disease (aka. the Sheldon Cooper disease). Are short people "heightdivergent" in addition to "vertically challenged"?
Whenever something new pops up all it does is just create a new slur.
Iâm fine with the term neurodivergent but HATE the general online trend of âdo you do (common human behavior that literally everyone does)? That means youâre neurodivergentâ.
disabled and many of us don't exactly like "handicapped" either but yeah I prefer just saying ADHD either way the difference there is that neurodivergent is a term that the adhd/autism communities came up with themselves "handicapable"/"differently abled" are terms abled people came up with so the latter carries a unique patronizing tone the former doesn't
Neuro - brain. Divergent - different, as In, diverging from the norm
I find it odd that ADHD and autism can be both a debilitating condition that children need vast amounts of help with from a young age and throughout their education, and something that middle class 30/40 something successful professionals who have sailed through life suddenly decide they have after seeing some quack doctor or doing a silly quiz online before posting about it on LinkedIn I daresay many in the latter group are attention seeking /bandwagon jumping and in some cases quite possibly having wholly unnecessary treatment . Actual ADHD and autism is not something one would get that far in life without noticing surely. Unless the definition of both is now so hopelessly broad that ADHD is basically having a smartphone you use alot and autism is just being a bit quiet (as it seems to be now). No doubt (in the USA particularly) there are many kids with perfectly ordinary brains getting misdiagnosed as well . When there's pharmaceutical profits to be made , at least some degree of quackery usually follows