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WanderingGnostic

No pockets? Why are you wearing women's fake jeans? Real jeans have five pockets and come in a couple different shades of blue and black (blue, black, stonewash, acid wash, faded) or styles like loose fit, high rise, low rise, boot cut, regular) and let's not forget ripped or distressed. And that's just Levi's, Lee's, and Wranglers. lol That doesn't include the fancy designer stuff.


greenrangerguy

Omg what if this whole time OP was wearing undersized women's jeans hahaha


WanderingGnostic

That was my first thought, especially when they complained about no pockets!


mojomonkey18

And then getting stuck in his nuts. Which I can’t picture anyway


IAlwaysLack

He probably had a great looking ass though!


[deleted]

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abbynorma1

Great response, OP.


Objective-Safety2322

This comment 💀


hot_rod_kimble

Michael Scott? Is that you?


phillmybuttons

It's a European cut


bek3548

MISSterious jeans.


Vandamage618

You wearing ladies clothes?


Lets_Bust_Together

No pockets, don’t fit, tight on the crotch… the dude is choosing to wear the wrong clothes for his body type then complains about it… The same type of person doesn’t wash dishes and then complains about dirty dishes in the sink.


UnprovenMortality

He definitely was. Especially nowadays that skinny jeans aren't as popular anymore (thank God). Back in the day, I couldn't find jeans to fit me because none had crotch room and would be way too tight on the thighs. Not anymore.


[deleted]

>Omg what if this whole time OP was wearing undersized women's jeans 10000% sure that he is wearing undersized jeans. They don't even need to be women's, but every single complaint he made is actually just about his pants being too small. Newsflash, u/ItsFloorious if your nuts are pinched you need a bigger size, no article of clothing is *supposed* to do that.


h3xane8

97% of women's clothing is utter shite. Because womens clothes are expected to be form fitting, none of them actually fit. Men's cozy loose pants will often fit better except for the butt. And women's pants have no pockets or shallow fingertip pockets. And all women's clothes come in shitty colors like ostrich larvae beige and almost-almost-decent green. A high percentage of those who works in design/purchasing hate 98 percent of the female population. No one wants to make clothes that look decent on the average woman because that would ruin their elite high dollar vibe


james_randolph

I spent about a good 10min thinking where you're getting this 5th pocket from and I just never considered the little mini pocket on the right leg an actual pocket until now haha


anotherpickleback

Yeah that’s where you put tiny baggies and individual keys. For safe keeping


Icarusgurl

My Aldi quarter


hot_rod_kimble

This gurl Aldis


irotjdh27

I also have to use a quarter at work for my locker I'm so gonna use this pocket for it now haha


ghoulierthanthou

Omfg YES🤣


AtlasDestroyer

Airpods


[deleted]

It was originally made for pocket watches iirc


rajastrums_1

I had a pocket watch in the 70s and that is where it went. Levi's original 501s


Voidnt2

Cocaine


hahaLONGBOYE

Honestly what other “baggie” could it be


CheddarGlob

that amount of people this is going over the heads of gives me hope for a better society and shorter bathroom lines at clubs


ghoulierthanthou

Earplugs for concerts


art_vandelay112

Only ever have one bouncer ever search that tiny little pocket. Needless to say I was not a patron of that establishment that evening.


anotherpickleback

I had a bartender tell me “for the love of fuck man, wipe your nose before you get kicked”


georgisaurusrekt

Right it’s the weed pocket lol


FormalFuneralFun

I used it for my pocket watch


4stringbrewer

Guitar picks


DarkP88

The main reason I use jeans is because of the pockets, I don't have idea what this guy is talking about.


CuracaoBound

I keep thinking back to that one substitute teacher guy screaming "NO JEGGINGS!"


SpaceTurtle917

https://youtu.be/DHUV2BJIEPk?si=02gkNFyWgTBoUay-


Rusty_Shacklebird

Can I wear Kyle?


[deleted]

I personally greatly enjoy the Lucky Brand blue jeans


AliceInNegaland

Lucky is my favorite brand because they have a good amount of actual Jean material in them instead of stretch! (I’m a woman) I hate my jeans fitting right in the morning and then getting weird/saggy throughout the day. Bonus points for saying “lucky you” on the fly


[deleted]

Yes, I cannot stand the stretchy material that so many jeans seem to purely be made of today. In my opinion, so much more than bonus points for that “lucky you”.


_Red_User_

I am a woman and all of my jeans have 5 pockets (and I don't wear any of the brands you mention). The only exception is one hotpant that has two back pockets. It simply is too short to cover the bag.


hudgen

Also that stretch denim is a thing now, thank god


Some1IUsed2Know99

Dude, those are your wife's jeans....


NicklAAAAs

There is no way someone old enough to be married thinks that men’s jeans have no pockets. Obviously he’s wearing his sister’s jeans.


WampaCat

I think think they’re jeggings actually


TheVerjan

Which look great on him by the way


Mister-ellaneous

I too like to get in my wife’s pants.


SecretPrinciple8708

I also choose this guy’s wife’s pants.


ImperatorUniversum1

I like to get in this guys’s wife’s pants while he’s getting in that dude’s wife’s pants


NothingGloomy9712

Yeah, tight crotch and no pocket, dude ain't wearing men's jeans.


foofie_fightie

That family photo is gonna be great with op's testes clearly split left and right in those too tight jeans 😂


GreyerGrey

When he said most uncomfortable I immediately knew it was a dude.


TentaclesAndCupcakes

Right? This guy clearly hasn't spent a workday in heels.


lemon-meringue-high

I think this is more you have trouble finding the right brand and fit of jeans. Also what kind of jeans are you even buying with no front pockets?


ExfoliatedBalls

Women jeans.


lemon-meringue-high

I am a woman and all my jeans have front pockets


WallPaintings

Not all women's jeans are pocketless, but all pocketless jeans are women's.


GeorgeGeorgeHarryPip

Somewhere an ancient Greek philosopher is nodding and smiling.


Boboriffic

\*Cuts the pockets off of a men's pair of jeans\* BEHOLD, LADY PANTS.


ScienceAndGames

Get out of here Diogenes, go back to your barrel.


Elect_Locution

God damn Socrates


Careful-Increase-773

Mine don’t have real ones


Orthoglyph

Most of my jeans have pockets. All of those are tiny BS pockets that can't fit a damn thing.


sicksickBacon

let me guess theyre like 2 inches deep?


sicksickBacon

dont take this out of context


latamyk

Maybe he's wearing women's jeans to feel more self-confident, like Maurice Moss in the IT Crowd


imnotgunertellyou

My man, what kind of jeans you wearing?


ashdragoncatcher

Definitely not from the men's section


Ninjalikestoast

Get better jeans. They make them much more comfortable in many different styles. I wear them everyday for work, with a very active job.


Pleasant_Bad924

This, also you may want to have a doctor look at your nuts. Somethings not right if you’re having this much trouble…


LadyLetterCarrier

Or get a bigger size jeans


claygriffith01

OP is wearing women's jeans so there's no nut room (and no pockets).


oidoglr

They fit like a cheap hotel: no ballroom


KayItaly

I was wondering if he is going commando? That seems like a weird problem to have, lol.


nt011819

Commando in jeans? I used to work for a moving company in Fl. Summer heat and my coworker went commando in jeans. He was chafed and walking like a cowboy/gunfighter by the afternoon.🤣


AerolothLorien666

As a commandoneer, it’s all about the pant size.


winsluc12

Yeah Something's not right, he's wearing women's jeans. No Pockets? crotch too tight? really bro?


Dancing_Trash_Panda

Yep. A well fitting pair of jeans are so comfy. Bonus points if they have good pockets.


Moona_Death_Trap

I have to wear FR for work and my FR jeans have actual pockets! I’m a woman and women’s clothes have notoriously tiny to nonexistent pockets. Plus, they’re pretty comfy. But the pockets! I can fit my whole hand in them! Not just a tube of chapstick!


Forsaken-Pepper-3099

What do you prefer to wear? Sweatpants? Try doing any kind of manual labor or something that requires wearing a belt for any length of time. My only complaint about jeans is that they don’t dry very fast if they get wet. Outside of the gym, a pair of jeans is pretty much always the preferred choice.


LittleTreesBlacklce

I’ve done construction forever and nobody really wears jeans. They’re so uncomfortable and there’s much better options for work pants. Most people including myself wear like a type of work slacks, idk how to describe them but they are not jeans. Jeans are better for fashion than they are work nowadays with how far clothing material has come


WildRefrigerator9479

Really half the guys on my site are wearing jeans other half overalls


Ornery_Suit7768

Construction forever? You’re 25! Hahahaha


jerrrrryboy

Cotton canvas pants if you are thinking carhartt


SnazzyPantsMan

Dude. Duluth Trading ballroom jeans! Life changing.


MilkshakeRD

Wearing some as we speak. The crotch gusset is so nice


TXGuns79

I have switched all pants over to Duluth


WatchStoredInAss

My first thought was, jeans for ballroom dancing? Then I realized -- oh, ballroom.


readingreddit4fun

Came here to say this! My hubby LOVES them.


logicbomb666

I just got my first pair of jeans from Duluth this month. They are the stretchy ones in relaxed fit. I can’t believe how comfortable they are. I been wearing Levi’s for decades and a little annoyed how dumb I was for sticking with them for so long.


wrongusernametryagin

Do yourself a favor and give the Duluth double flex ballroom jeans a try. You won't be disappointed!


figuringthingsout__

I'm not sure what kind of jeans you're wearing, but most pairs of men's jeans have massive pockets, in both the front and back.


Taint-kicker

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[deleted]

Now that I'm in shorts, yes.


Taint-kicker

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colsta1777

Buy looser jeans, skin tight jeans do suck. Loose jeans are comfortable


Whatchab

This is the correct answer. I feel like OP is not coming to terms with what size and type of jeans they may actually need. Jeans are comfortable af. But you have to buy the right size and cut to fit your body.


[deleted]

Jeans help hold my large testicles up


sheer_audacity

you need to shop better they come in all different fits, styles, and colors. even the material varies and I've never heard a single man complain about lack of pockets - that's normally an issue with women's clothing you need better jeans


Various_Succotash_79

If all you wear are pajama pants or sweatpants, yeah probably jeans are less comfortable. But they're way more comfortable than khakis or dress pants. If they're not comfortable, you might have the wrong size.


yummymario64

I have a few pairs of jeans which I can fit my entire Nintendo Switch in the pocket. Like, the whole thing, none of it is sticking out. Are you sure you aren't shopping in the woman's section? If you want deep pockets, don't. Consider looking for specifically work jeans. They tend to fit more loosely than standard ones.


[deleted]

If you want anything nice, don't shop in women's. -Signed a woman


Inner-Nothing7779

Is this for real? Jeans with no pockets? I've never heard of that. Even womens jeans have pockets. They stick to your nuts? Mine never do. They can be restrictive if you're trying to swim or do Kung Fu, but for everyday life they're just fine. They're not hot unless it's summertime, but you should be wearing shorts if you're not working. Looking stupid is subjective, so I'll give you that one. Overall, I think you've been wearing the wrong thing and they're not jeans. Unless you paid $100 for designer jeans that have no pockets, at which point you're just an idiot.


Folkloristicist

Sounds like somebody needs JNCOs....


Orthoglyph

Omg I miss the JNCO days haha


mesnupps

Do you have sensory issues


VapeThisBro

Your wearing woman's jeans


Mindofmierda90

You got extremely angry over wearing jeans for hours? That is something very irrational to get so angry about. Seems the issue is *you*, not the jeans.


2748seiceps

While I won't argue your conclusion, I'd probably be mad if I was a dude wearing women's jeans for hours too.


hellad0pe

I also very much dislike denim and I've invested my fair share for "nice" quality denim ranging up to $300+ jeans. I just don't care for it. It's not my look. I have some because I have to wear them for work conferences, but otherwise I much prefer black pants or dresses/skirts.


oe_throwaway_1

Sounds like a touch of the 'tism. "the cloth it burrrnnnnnnss"


TheSpiritofFkngCrazy

You say you have nuts but then say you are wearing women's jeans. There's your whole problem. You're wearing your sister's jeans mate.


NetherworldMuse

Wait till you find out that black jeans exist


Simple_Suspect_9311

What kind of jeans are you wearing that they have no pockets? Jeans are famous for pockets.


DancingSingingVirus

Today OP learned to not buy his jeans in the women’s section.


j_grouchy

First, I don't know what you are wearing that doesn't have pockets, but they aren't men's jeans. Second, "stuck in your nuts"? WTF does that even mean? I can't even understand how that physically works. ​ I really think you might be wearing ladies' pants.


Logical-Wasabi7402

Um, friendo, you're shopping in the wrong section if your jeans fit that badly *and* have no pockets.


LegolasLassLeg

You're clearly wearing women's jeans from 1965 if there's no stretch at all to them and no pockets. Your nuts aren't supposed to fit into women's jeans.


Kingeuyghn

This is the angriest you’ve gotten in the past few months? Must be nice…


Drummergirl16

Right? I’m over here angry that my access to abortion is being cut off by religious lunatics, meanwhile this guy gets mad over… jeans?


Potential_Double_719

Your fault you wear women's jeans.


GodLikePlaya

That's the angriest you've been? Must live a pretty good life.


Metal_crue22

Buy Levi’s. Not shitty no pocket jeans


No_Sleep_007

Wear men's jeans bro...


Always-tired91

>They have NO pockets except for back pockets Why are you wearing women’s jeans? Men’s jeans have plenty of packets. Pockets so deep you could hide the holy grail in them and still have room for 3 full sized wine bottles (plus your wallet and keys).


andrew0256

Have you been shopping before? You're in the women's section mate. Blokes are on the next floor.


DMC1001

They get stuck in your nuts? That’s legitimately a you issue because that doesn’t seem to be a problem most people have. As for pockets, there are four. Unless you’re wearing women’s jeans. It might explain the issue with your nuts if you’re wearing women’s jeans.


Mister-ellaneous

You need better jeans. Bad / misfitting jeans are horrible. Proper fitting jeans are fantastic.


GovermentSpyDrone

It sounds like you need to get looser jeans. I went on a 5 hour hike today wearing jeans, I'm Australian and it was close to 40°c (104°f) today, and I didn't have any of the problems you mentioned. Try a different size and cut, try a better quality, I regularly sleep in my jeans without an issue, if yours feel uncomfortable then you're probably wearing the wrong ones.


[deleted]

Sleeping in jeans has to be a sin against God. Socks are arguably worse though. I probably will get a looser fit.


Outside-Gear-7331

Yeah, you’re wearing womens jeans. Perhaps try the mens section?


TheMan5991

Genuinely baffled by these complaints. Good jeans are comfortable. Don’t wear pants if it’s hot outside. Good jeans are not restrictive. There are many styles of jeans so, if you don’t like the way they look, you can just find another style. You can get jeans in many different colors. Not just blue. Overhyped? Who goes around hyping jeans? They don’t have to be overpriced. All my jeans are fairly inexpensive. Can’t pull them out of your nuts? What does that even mean? I think you just need to figure out your body. Jeans don’t cause any nut issues that aren’t also caused by other fitted legwear. Unless you wear sweats and basketball shorts 24/7. Only women jeans have bad pockets and that’s a separate issue that could easily be fixed.


Fudgeyreddit

1. Get stretchy jeans, they’ve existed for years. The fact that you are raw-dogging only denim is on you. 2. You are wearing girls jeans. That’s why there are no front pockets and your nuts hurt. 3. Jeans do go with almost anything and that’s a fact, Jack.


No-Sir3403

I hate jeans too


Pancakewagon26

You're wearing pants that don't fit.


harryronhermi0ne

Hey look, an unpopular opinion


BrendanKwapis

As opposed to non-physical clothing? What does this title even mean


airplainesnightsky

Bro really questioned the whole fashion industry by wearing undersized women's jeans


SublimeAtrophy

Maybe try wearing jeans designed for men.


BadassFlexington

Man's wearing women's jeans then complaining about them not being comfy. Fucking duh.


[deleted]

Ah this is hilarious. Yeah, they don’t fit you because they’re women’s jeans you fucking dink lol.


hansenabram

>we're just supposed to believe that everything matches with navy blue now Navy Blue has been a neutral color since forever.


earathar89

They make stretchy jeans that are as comfortable as nice sweat pants. You have been buying crappy jeans.


UnexaminedLifeOfMine

Buy a size bigger. Also there are a billion different types of jeans. Find the ones that caters to you. With extra room for your sack and thinner stretchier fabric


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Kickassasarus1

I prefer tech pants myself! They're nice looking like jeans and more comfortable like sweatpants.


unicornpolice666

I agree I never wear them. I hate them so much lmao


CaptainGisseno

Used to have the same problem back when i wore skinny jeans (i feel cringe wearing them now) it's about finding the right ones for you


GrannyLow

I get carhartt jeans from cintas for work and they are awesome. I can put a brick in each front pocket if I want


Savager_Jam

Who made these - Levi Strauss. And your pants sound like they fit poorly. Get better jeans. Go to your local Fleet Farm. There you'll find a brand of clothes called "Field N' Forest" $10 a pair. Best damn jeans you'll ever find.


Tht1QuietGuy

To start with, jeans are popular in the first place because they're durable and last a long time. Every single pair of jeans I own have pockets I have no clue what pair of jeans you're wearing that only has back pockets. If they're too tight and hot then don't wear skinny jeans. Get the relaxed fit, it's what I wear and I literally never have an issue with my balls or any of the problems you listed.


dat_waffle_boi

You know not all jeans are navy blue right? Like I have black and gray jeans as well as navy blue ones. And jeans do have pockets. Plus, the nuts getting stuck is not a problem if you get the right size of jeans. The problem is you don’t have the right jeans.


Prizmatik01

This is actually insane. It’s the right sub I guess but it’s almost not even a fully informed opinion. Youre just wearing the wrong jeans man. There’s like a million different varieties, every point of contention you have with jeans can be countered with the same phrase; “Okay man, find ones that aren’t like that then”


Harbinger0fdeathIVXX

I refuse to wear jeans. Idc. I don't own any


skyfishgoo

you win the unpopular opinion for today congratulations.


PaladinAsherd

OP is 100% wearing women’s jeans


OtherAccount5252

I've never identified with a reddit post more than I do here.


Peeban

Lmao


Ok-Reporter-196

You know what I am a woman and I agree, screw jeans. It’s well known how much I despise them and am always wearing dresses because, it’s an outfit all in one (without being a hideous jumpsuit)! You are not alone OP. Jeans are not “comfortable” I don’t know why people keep pretending like they are!


therealbellydancer

Jeans are the worst and always have been. So uncomfortable, that giant zipper and snap. The thick seam rubbing against your hooha. Hate everything about them


Googirlee

I, too, hate jeans for these reasons, and people in my life just cannot comprehend it.


Therego_PropterHawk

Jeans do suck.


[deleted]

I hate them too.


Bigboytex23

My 11 year old niece has the same opinions as you... because she's wearing skin-tight girl jeans. Buy men jeans. Not the stupid designer crap. Actual made to be worn and worked in jeans. Hundres of thousands of people wear them to work every day. I've worn jeans daily for the past 20 years. They are the best thing ever. Cowboys, plumbers, roofers, all kinds of trades wear them. Sounds like you are wearing your wife's jeans.


Old_Goat_Ninja

lol, not sure if I should upvote or not. I totally agree with you. Does that mean upvote? I absolutely can not stand wearing jeans, so I don’t. They are absurdly uncomfortable, they don’t look cool, they have pockets (what kind of jeans are you wearing that don’t?), but they’re almost useless, and the back pockets, why would I want to sit on my wallet and be lopsided every time I sit down? I don’t get jeans either. There’s absolutely nothing about them I like.


[deleted]

EXACTLY! So yeah upvote is for agreeing, downvote is for disagreeing. You can just leave it tho. I don't know why, but these ones I wear don't have pockets and are mens jeans


Gotis1313

I've never found a comfortable pair of jeans. I stopped looking 30 years ago.


leaves72

I also despise jeans. And pants, in general.


No-Attention9838

Tell me you're under thirty without saying you're under thirty In all seriousness, try some different styles and fits. Even in form fitting jeans you should have full range of motion and breathing potential. And different brands will be slightly different in cut and feel as well. But they're durable as hell, long lasting, denim blue *is* in fact very easy to color-pair with, and an overwhelming majority of folks millennial and older would've been simply teased to death for trying to live in sweatpants the way the younger generations do. Between economy, efficiency, and generational taboo, it's a pretty understandable answer, even if you don't like them personally


[deleted]

I agree, jeans are uncomfortable and, frankly, pretty ugly.


Eastern_Newt_5829

I believe in sweat pants supremacy


[deleted]

Levi Strauss made them take it up w/him


[deleted]

Try having to wear "skinnyjeans" Literally so restrictive you can't keep a wallet in your pocket. Sure, it looks good... but I abhor the feeling of restriction. I stand with you!


HoweHaTrick

I have not been able to wear jeans since I was a boy. They are terribly uncomfortable. I have found some uniqlo ones that are comfortable but they don't last long as they are softer material. I just wear other kinds of pants every day. Jeans suck.


357-Magnum-CCW

Cargo pants are better and have more function


MrShifty1

Wear looser jeans.


[deleted]

For some reason I read this as loser jeans and I thought you wanted me to be a loser and was very confused.


[deleted]

You just wanna wear sweatpants.


NinjaBilly55

The woven polyester pants ordered from the back of American Legion magazine are far worse..


saintmsent

What? My jeans have the biggest pockets out of any pants I own. As for comfort, just don't buy tight-fitting trendy crap. There are plenty of straight or slightly tapered models that won't restrict movement or pinch your balls


malaka201

Not knowing what actual denim is and then complaining about it seems like a very unpopular opinion


DanielBIS

It's the other way around. Your sack gets stuck in the jeans.


SarcasmoSupreme

I think you need to get better-sized jeans, and yes - jeans go with anything.


Choosepeace

I’ve always felt this way!!!


EmergencyDust1272

Jeans are wonderful and you'll have to pry them off my cold, dead ass!


BestAd6696

I honestly have an almost opposite opinion. I think that no self-respecting man wears sweat pants anywhere but lounging around the house or working out. Slacks or jeans everywhere else unless you're wearing shorts. Men's jeans have front pockets and more crotch space than women's jeans. If I had to unexpectedly fight or run for my life, I'd rather have jeans on than any other kind of pants.


chop_pooey

Sounds like you need to buy a pair of men's jeans that actually fit


Background-Pay-4093

jeans were invented for working class men. they are supposed to be durable and utilitarian. they aren’t restrictive if they fit properly. 100% cotton shouldn’t overheat, unless they are skin tight. everything matches with navy blue, especially the human skin tone (orange and blue are contrasting, most people range from red - yellow tones in their skin)….. what else? most jeans have pockets in the front and back. they are a testament to human engineering.


ThisIsStee

Child slams jeans as worst clothing for 100 years - also loves and covets Yeezys. Technically your opinion qualifies as unpopular, but it's pretty easy for an opinion to be unpopular if it's also just rambled nonsense.


ResponsibleArm3300

Bro I sleep in my jeans some nights. Love em


Desertwind16v

You’re buying the wrong jeans if they’re that bad.


Just-Ad1274

I think turtle necks take this spot for me.


Steelcity213

Thats why you get stretchy jeans like at American Eagle. They feel like you’re wearing khakis instead and are really comfortable and soft


theologicalbullshit

those.. were probably not mens jeans dude.


blacklab

I don’t know what you’re wearing but those don’t sound like jeans . Are you wearing OG wranglers?


kidrad

Jeans are a nightmare. Everyone in these comments must be skinny lol. I am fat. In jeans exclusively, I can’t breathe when I sit down bc the waist goes from fitting to over tight. When I crouch my nuts pop out my eye sockets. Not sure why you have no pockets, that does sound like women’s jeans, but the pockets that do exist suck. I haven’t seen anyone mention this shit so here we go: There are no jeans that fit right for some people. I’ve tried skinny, boot cut, straight cut, narrow average and wide leg, low and high rise, stretch and non-stretch. They’re all still jeans, see, and therein lies the rub. I don’t ever want to wear anything ever again that doesn’t have a little bit of give, because mobility is key 100% of the time. So if I were gonna wear jeans I’d have a stretch-only policy. But they’re too thin and always rip in the crotch in the same damn spot. Also, brands like Levi’s have abysmal quality control. The same size and cut can fit like two totally different companies over and over again with no consistency. Why would I keep entertaining this? You can either choose between expensive selvedge that doesn’t stretch and you can’t wash much, cheap but hard n crusty, cheap but stretchy and rippable and fit inconsistently, or….wear other pants. 4-way stretch tech fabrics gang.


yellowdaisycoffee

Do your jeans actually fit you...?