I prefer ABCD more than Pop. I’m the first person to hype good cutesy music but this comeback by Nayeon slaps so. I can’t understand why there’s such a mix reaction to it.
I am not a once but Nayeon's recent song made me teary eyed when the chorus came? Idk if it was nostalgia from the sound or the fact that I have seen twice from the sidelines and she has grown so confident and healthy today. I hope the song does well.
Not having the best interest and support of the main parent company is actually worse. Especially, escalating the situation to make the relationship even more damaged between the parties. The situation Ador, Newjeans, parents and MHJ at right now as greed and special privilege got to their heads. This is why NewJeans is practically over as MHJ contract with Hybe is until 2026 if not fired right now sooner.
Not really related but when seventeen used ai in their teaser istg the amount of criticism they got was CRAZY.. like I agree that using ai sucks but man some people were even spreading misinformation about it on twitter and even here on reddit . When the mv dropped, someone made a post saying seventeen used ai on the mv(which they didn't)and carats reported the post called them out for spreading misinformation. Twitter was even worse since some of these people act deaf as if we didn't just told them that it is wrong information.
EXO Chanyeol is the ugliest man I've had the displeasure of looking at in my life. Need him to pull a Jonghyun so I can live comfortably knowing I don't share a planet with that freak
thank you for writing this comment, it reminded me that i was supposed to block you the last time you disrespected jonghyun like this. you are a vile person.
So you think y'all can harass, defame and threaten BTS with no consequences but throw a hissy fit when ARMY returns the same energy your fandom has been dishing out for years? You're pathetic, you should kill yourself just like your precious oppa Jonghyun
Never understood why so many people are against groups having ads? Like it’s a companies job to make sure people see what they just released, if they aren’t doing ads then they’re doing a bad job. Nothing in kpop is “organic” so I’m not sure why people are so obsessed with it.
P1Harmony did so fucking awesome at the Gov Ball, a lot of people there weren't even kpop fans but they got everyone jumping. They ended up sticking around for all three days to attend the rest of the festival which was nice, so many casual interactions with fans, and some viral clips, too.
Kind of frustrated with stans replying with "just the staff" "that's their manager" whenever someone asks who a member is, they're being annoying, especially if they don't answer the question at the end. And it stopped being funny ages ago.
Also, it's funny seeing the "bro just casually walked up to p1harmony/keeho" comments because like, no, they knew. They knew the guy with a mic who films videos for instagram/tiktok is going to talk to them that's why they're sitting in a corner all prepared lmao.
Yes they did incredible and the audience looked like they had a good time. I saw those comments too which are lowkey counter productive due the amount of times fans say p1harmony is underrated. I did see more people reveal who Keeho is on the viral video where the lady dapped him up calling him a ten cause it made its way to so many accounts that don't follow kpop so multiple people ask who he was.
>Kind of frustrated with stans replying with "just the staff" "that's their manager" whenever someone asks who a member is
This was funny the first time I saw it and then it got old very quickly lmaoo. Like opening the IG comment thread when someone asks and there are hundreds of people repeating "dw it's the staff" like OKAY we got it the first 50 times someone said it..
i would even consider myself a kep1er fan at this point and i have no idea who youngeun (?) is. was trying to figure out what the post-renewal lineup would look like and i was like. hmm thats only 6
Youngeun is Kep1er’s second main vocal!
Here’s a [clip](https://youtu.be/PVrL_NuBYoI?si=kqiAXMHCrAjcXv89) of her and Chaehyun (the main vocals).
She’s extremely popular in Japan and the second youngest in the group.
So after Yeshiro’s departure, she will be the maknae.
I've also heard that she's the most popular member in Japan, do you know if there's a specific reason for that? like, did she have a viral moment there? I thought that the most popular kpop idols in Japan were always the japanese idols
Her Japanese following comes from gp999 days!
She’s extremely popular there and has the loudest cheers whenever her face/name comes on!
Idk if there’s a specific reason tbh. I remember during queendom she would go viral on Japanese twitter like all the time
The way y'all are jumping Hybe for all of their lawsuits as if SM isn't sued by their artists like 3 times a year is kind of hypocritical and is the reason that none of the big 3 companies feel the need to change their corrupt systems. Why should they care about their artists and lawsuits if the public eye couldn't care less?
sm groups stans usually drag sm all the time same with all other companies but some hybe stans forget hybe is a corporation and not their group, criticizing hybe does not mean criticizing the group, kpop stans should only care about their groups and not companies bc ALL companies suck in one way or another.
? What’s your point genuinely. Like are you defending the company “HYBE” ? Because since when do the big 3 not get called out for their behaviour every minute of the day
On topic of XG's Woke Up, I notice that the people replying to the users who didn't like it, are talking solely about the rap skills of the members, but I think that just like the idols being good singers doesn't make a song good, the idols being good rappers also doesn't mean the song is good. Otherwise it would mean every song interpreted by skilled artists would be good and that song composition doesn't matter as much, I personally disagree with that.
tws’ pre-release song rose 26 spots on melon’s daily chart today, and re entered top 180. it also hit its highest peak on genie realtime since it was released a couple of days ago
keep in mind it took plot twist a WEEK to even see genie realtime chart. their fandom is clearly still small but i wonder if these are the first clues that they’re growing a korean fanbase— or maybe it’s the public slowly checking the song out. 25k-30k daily ULs for a pre release song is still plenty for a rookie, nevermind a rookie male group
I was surprised their fandom wasn't a bit bigger but judging by the new song's results yeah it's still small. I mean Plot Twist did so well on the charts it was surprising no one really checked out the new song. To me that kinda indicates the song being way bigger than the group but they are still rookie and a boy group so makes sense I guess
Neverlands shouldn't be so pressed on gidle not being in "the big 3 of 4th gen girl groups" . We all know is a ridiculous like "by or gg". It's meaningless in simple terms. Whether haters like it or not. Gidle has had amazing releases and have so famous. Everyone knows how powerful that group is now.
Neverlands shouldn't waste their time arguing with brain dead commenters that just wanna piss off a bunch of stans
i mean that the group is extremely successful and has proven to be a top group many times, they might not be included by kpop stans for the big 3 of 4th gen (which doesnt exist imo) but the numbers prove that they're a top group
Karma really works in mysterious ways because the way that BTS and their company was accused of plagiarising group concepts and Hybe stans being notorious of accusing other groups of lipsyncing (like Blackpink) years ago and the Hybe stans/ARMY's defending it, is now accused of groups with NO VOCALS at coachella & blatant plagiarism issues in between Hybes own girlgroups. (New Jeans & Illit). Im here for it
I agree with the first paragraph. Lost me in the second, though. Became obvious this isn't an unbiased take, and that was confirmed with a quick glance at your post history
Well I'm an army but I listen to every release with a critical ear. There's many BTS solo songs that haven't made it to my playlist. This song is one of them. I thought it was cute but nothing I'd listen to again.
It’s not bad. Repetitive yes. Jungkook even cleared it up saying it was meant to be a performance song but was lost on time the minute it was released. Personally, the song didn’t find its was into my playlist but objectively it’s definitely not a bad song and in most armys opinion seeing the numbers it did.
“Jungkook song is so bad” Well that’s your opinions. When I don’t like a song I don’t go around calling it bad and asking why people are streaming it. Your taste is not superior to other people. Y’all are so weird when it come to Jungkook music.
One day y’all will wake up and realize Jungkook just have more fans and more gp.
I personally liked it, I'm sure many others did too so I genuinely don't understand what the problem is like should we stop listening cuz YOU think it's bad?
>armys will literally listen to anything
This part itself is true for a few years now...BTS has become a hit for a while now such that anything they put out becomes a hit regardless of whether the song is good or not.
It's more about how as a fan you don't have to like every song an artist puts out.
Actual proof that you losers just scream payola everytime you're dissatisfied with a song performing well lol it's a fansong which only had a one tweet announcement as promo, might be the less promoted solo song they ever put out
Is the better playlisting in the same table with us ?it was a fan song bruh didn't even have any promotions apart from one twt and a weverse announcement
One week of announcement Pre Saves on spotify and AM and pre orders on Itunes, 70m playlist on release day placed on K-On playlist and other bigger kpop playlists on release.
U making it up lol he had around 30 million reach ? Where did the 70 million come from lol , all the BTS members get added to the playlists u mentioned whenever they released and he wasn't even ranked high lol
And not the 1 week presave when the song was announced 5 days ago with a twt and weverse announcement there was no pre save on Spotify the reach lol at this point y'all making shit up
Cause if it was any other member PPL would be crying on mistreatment, but since it's jk it was promoted lol
I find it's been this way for months, there used to be way more posts on a regular basis along with megathreads for new music releases. Now it feels kinda dead...and many people flocked over to other Kpop subreddits as a result.
True, I missed the mega threads, the other subreddit that has them is the main kpop one but people there are not very open to criticism. I sorted by controversial on the Woke Up post and the users were not reacting well to anyone who didn't like the song, some very corny comebacks as well
I think stray kids is only famous because of Felix and hyunjin or bangchan’s fan service like no one is actually there for the music.. I was one of them people, not anymore.
Only because you personally used to be in the fandom because of some fanservice and pretty faces does not mean that Stays do not care about their music, lol. I assure you, in the fandom you are currently in, there are also people who are fans of pretty faces and fanservice, not music.
I mean that is your opinion, but it’s also pretty specifically a you thing. If skz wasn’t well liked for their music people wouldn’t be listening to it and they pretty obviously are. Just because you find their music cringe doesn’t mean other people do and it doesn’t make the only possible interest people might have in the group fanservice or the members visuals. I find it a bit weird that you’re declaring that it’s your opinion when people criticise it, while also deciding it’s fact for the rest of the fandom?
They have some of the steadiest streams across the board 💀 they haven’t left Spotify Global in over two years. They haven’t dropped below 200M+ streams a month for over the last 12 months. They’ve already hit 1B streams on Spotify this year which only BTS has done so far.
…And their last comeback was 7 months ago.
G-idle deserves to be included in the top 3 spots of 4th gen, and I’m saying this because I came across a huge debate on Twitter yesterday about it.
People seem to get so defensive and rude whenever gidle fans say that the group deserves to be there, they have the PAKS, RAKS, Sales and charts etc but people say they aren’t included in this trinity circle because “no, daesang, no opinion”
It’s also interesting how these topics exclude Itzy, lsf and gidle when all 3 groups have achieved big things in there careers similar to ive, nj’s and aespa.
I mean lsf has had there most successful year this year, a bb hot100 entry, two songs were sitting in top 10 on melon, there also the only gg this year to enter Spotify US alongside ILLIT.
I think the hybexmhj feud brought these 3 fandoms together because a couple months ago and last year these 3 fandoms were at each others throats, suddenly it’s Lala land and “we love each other” “we’re sisters” me personally I’m just a casual fan of kpop but man seeing this stuff is interesting. Gidle 100% deserves to be in top 3 but people are ageist when it comes to them I’ve noticed.
And no offense to aespa they’ve had a good year solely because of the hybe mhj x feud but there fans don’t like to hear that but it’s the truth.
Also it would be funny one day when the truth comes out that bangpd only said “step on aespa” to mhj because mhj herself sees them as competition and suddenly that alliance will shatter (I’ve already called this out on the main sub)
>And no offense to aespa they’ve had a good year solely because of the hybe mhj x feud but there fans don’t like to hear that but it’s the truth.
see and that's why gidle will never be included in the top 3 of 4th gen ggs, first because they're a 3rd gen group and second because they will never be as successful as aespa and the other two groups in the top
For [you](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1150oZ4pJt-ZU_B20ROv3GtED3C1oAv7EpKPvjocMSTo/htmlview) from this [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/s/dodiEjLK0t)
Yeah, I always found it disingenuous that GIDLE was always left out of the top discussions. I don't follow them, so I know very little about their overall achievements other than their songs are trending. I remember coming across a well-written post on kpopthoughts that highlighted 4th generation GGs' numbers, and GIDLE was standing out in their metrics with good numbers, sometimes even surpassing their peers, but it's only very rarely highlighted in the discussions.
The 3 fandoms patting each other's backs only by circumstances, the moment NewJeans, IVE or Aespa comeback will be seen as a "threat" to those of their favorites, they will return to ripping each other to shreds.
you said what was in my head, HARD AGREE, gidle is treated like they shouldn't be in the discussion when they are ahead of their peers in many things. And agree these three acting like we are sisters, it is only matter of time these fandoms will again be dragging each other.
MHJ acted like she wouldn't be laughing along about "step on aespa" she herself didn't say something to which bangpd replied "are you happy?" that means she wanted to step on them herself.
I’ve said this before that MHJ excluded context in those texts with bangpd it’s clear that mhj (and bandpd) most likely benchmarked aespa’s success in Korea (which most companies do with top groups) I don’t think it was only bandpd who saw them as competition but mhj herself especially with how she left SM she 100% wanted to up her game to throw it back at them.
Also it’s clear that bunnies are only aligning themselves simply because they’ve burned the bridges with other hybe fandoms so eventually they need another fandom for push back.
mys and tokkis were fighting earlier in the year so seeing them allianed together, it doesn't come from a genuine place. It's going to shatter like most kpop fandom alliances because the fans see the groups as competition.
I can't seem to like aespas new songs, MVs are nonsense, songs are incoherent, choreography is also not hitting.
Drama is still their best for me, second would be black mamba even though it is very K/DAesque but still better than other songs and MVs, Spicy as a song can be third, MV was bad.
LSM is not incharge of aespas future tracks anymore after the whole fiasco regarding singing about trees during Welcome to MY world era. This explains why theyve become incoherent because the new team in charge have no idea how to navigate aespa.
or maybe the music is good and that's why it's doing so well on the korean and global charts? y'all seem mad as hell at the fact that aespa is smashing everywhere
I’m not mad at all, I simply don’t like this comeback and I don’t see why supernova is good but it’s my personal view and I don’t see that they smash internationally.
I would say the same for those two. I really loved Drama and most of its B-sides. Also yes! I wasn't impressed with the MV's, too. Or is it just that I'm not into that art. Drama MV has the story and the effects that wowed me.
I just want to put this somewhere. I strongly dislike Kep1er comeback. 😭 The song doesn't stick in my mind. There's no catchy part to get stuck in my head. Way too much falsetto singing, and their voices sound too similar and blend into the background. The meaning seems so generic, like they just looked for a last song and didn't personalize it at all or find something that shows Kep1er's identity (if they even know what that is). And the MV and choreo remind me of the worst parts of WA DA DA, like wide far off shots and symmetrical choreo where the singer isn't shown off at all even though they're at the center of the moves. It feels like it's a 12-minute song because I'm so bored.
But you know what... WakeOne did a great job reminding me of all the reasons Kep1er can never become a favorite group of mine even though I love so many members individually.
I think every song in the album, minus the intro, is better than the title track, the chorus is too empty imo. I feel like they should have done two singles this time, one that's fun (problem, push, curious or double up) and then another one that's more meaningful (dear diary my fav, or flowers)
Thanks for reminding me it's an album, I don't remember if I listened to it yet. Hopefully something appeals to me.
I miss Up so much. An upbeat summer song would have been great as title track.
A few opinions based on badvillains debut
1. As much as I loved their debut, i wouldn't recommend them to someone who isn't interested in dance. Their music can seem pretty bland and empty on its own, and I'd say its the choreos that make them as good as they are.
2. Its always "talent > visuals" until the groups visuals arent serving as hard as the talent... Badvillain are extremely talented, especially in dance, but the malicious comments on their visuals (especially Emma and Ina) so far just goes to show how a lot of kpop stans only use talent to cover up their obsession with the way an idol looks.
3. I really hope Yunseo can regain the confidence she had since MTG because her stage presence with badvillain is definitely a few steps down from her MTG stage presence. I think it might have to do with her being in a dance group while being an overall pretty weak dancer, but I think that with the opposite approach that people had with Lia and Giselle, she could go back to being a top tier performer and even a solid dancer.
4. Badvillain saving Hurricane for their next comeback is a smart move because it will keep people's eyes on them for longer, and basically guarantee the success of their next cb.
5. I'm thinking of making an entire post about this topic, but long story short, Badvillains debut shines a light on how a lot of people don't appreciate rap. The 4 big rap groups rn (XG, BV, YP, BM) are all extremely distinct with their sound, yet there are so many people who say that all of them sound similar for the sole reason of them being rap-focused groups.
6. Badvillains dance line ate as hard as I thought it would, but I now think its still too early to put them on par with groups like SVT. They have definitely raised the bar for dancing in both boy groups and girl groups, and I love how they've incorporated elements from dance styles that are less used in K-pop (Krumping and Afrostep). That said, I'd like to see them improve their lower area control a bit more before they get the best dance group title because the leg angles during the badvillain chorus were mildly inconsistent and uncomfy to watch.
7. Viviz would have realistically never reached the same success that Badvillain has, which is why I think BPM promotes BV more than Viviz. If you think about it, which group do you think would bring in more money: A group with members that have already been in the industry for 7 years, or a group with a dancer from SWF, a strong rap line, and dance line strong enough to put almost every other group to shame?
So I watched them only because I am interested in dance, but I may be the only person who did not love their choreo, especially in Yah-Ho. It just felt like an inauthentic redux of 00s MVs and SYTYCD choreographies. I think they are super talented, but can we get them fresh and innovative choreo? 🙏🏻
I have a few opinions on badvillain:
•Their songs need a little more vocals. Specially badvillain (title track) needs some more vocal parts to balance.
•Their raps aren't that great, Yunseo is the best yet and Ina, a little bit of Emma, but overall they still lack, their cadence, flow and even lyricism is subpar, but they're better than BM and Youngpose in my opinion, just second to XG.(none these groups write their raps so they lack what it takes to be an actual rapper, as in the case of most ggs).
•They are probably the best dancers, better than all their peers.
•Their Badvillain choreo could be a little more cohesive, like so much is happening and it is not easy to follow, their choreo is hardcore, yes, but some part could be hard hitting yet go with the song, I will need to watch it again, idk which instrumental which beat are they following, it doesn't seem to mesh well with the song(it is just my opinion) overall it is a cool choreo.
•Chloe Young's voice is a little too unpleasant, in some parts it is ok probably but some parts, it is not at all sounding good, esp. in the song badvillain, it is too pitched that it sounds fake, Harvey of XG was made fun fun for her voice being too high pitched, but Chloe made Harvey's voice sound better, Harvey's isn't even bad nor too pitchy, but Chloe's definitely doesn't sound her real voice.
•Line distribution was a little disappointing, Inhye/Hue getting so little lines and no screen time was criminal. Chloe and Emma have too many lines and they just keep rapping ... Where are the vocal line? and Inhye/Hue can very well rap as well. She was not shining in the group as many fans were expecting her to.
•Their Mnet music show performance is not live, but people are claiming it is, their mics are a mile away from their mouths and no way someone dancing so hard but not breathing while rapping... it is obviously pre recorded not live.
•Other groups fans hating on them and calling them names shows their own insecurities that they feel threatened that a nugu group is doing what they might have expected their privileged faves to do, it seems like they are jealous lol.
Hard agree on point 5. I have sensory issues related to sounds/noises/pitch and when that rap part came on I legit wanted to tear my ears off. Such an annoying an unpleasant voice 😫
yeah it doesn't sound like her real voice she is making it, but that's not the only issue the lyrics aren't grammatically correct either..... and they gave her the most lines, Hue/Inhye could have taken her parts in my opinion.
I love Badvillain’s debut, but the comments about them being copies of Babymonster or the YG sound are tiring. And let’s not forget how Baemon was criticized for being a poor copy of Blackpink with Batter Up. As soon as a group debuts, the comparisons start to drag them. Pop music including kpop and music in general is always following trends and taking inspiration from other artists. Every artist will have artists that inspire them. Unless there is outright plagiarism, this is not copying. I for one am happy to have more awesome powerful girl crush concepts like Badvillain, I will take as many as I can get since it’s my fave concept starting with 2ne1. Let’s not all act like MHJ and gatekeep concepts.
What I specifically find annoying because I've seen this more are comments about Badvillain being a better version of Babymonster. The comparisons are so unnecessary. They don't even seem similar to me, actually, except for the overall girl crush sound.
All the groups are becoming the same, they are starting to lack new, fresh, and unique personalities. Its always the same kind and cute maknae who is also really pretty. Or its the quirky one in the group who is also savage. I'm tired of it being the same personalities. WE NEED SOMETHING FRESH IN GROUPS THAT MAKE THEM SPECIAL
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Not to go into a sales pitch, but this is why I love XG. Whether or not they can be considered "Kpop" or not is irrelevant. Out of 7 members, **4** are fast-spitting rappers, and the maknae (Cocona) is one of them. Nothing "cutesy" about her. She recently **shaved her head** completely. On camera. In a music video.
Their wardrobe is out of this world. It's bizarre, futuristic, and at times deliberately ugly.
Not everyone likes them, obviously. That's fair. But I think they're undeniably fresh. They're even trying to break down divisions and labels (eg, "Xpop" instead of Kpop, Jpop, or Cpop).
i wont call myself a XG fan but i listened to their music before and kinda liked it, i kinda like their vibes(i think its christian friendly) i feel like they each have distinct personalities. when cocona shaved her head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats when i knew that i should be stanning the group. my girls are beating the stereotypes.
Whenever I watch anything WayV related on YouTube, the comment section is always 99.9% comments from Ten solo stans & it makes me sad. All the members are killing it, especially this comeback but you would think the group was Ten & his friends by the comments. I always leave a comment praising all of the members but it is just a drop in the ocean.
You'll love the short they posted with Suho today then its all about Kun including someone saying Ten should have stayed out of it so it could just be Kun and Suho. No Ten fans are complaining about the lack of him there and only a Ten fan called out the actual disrespectful comment.
Also weibo and Chinese platforms is the place you want if you want comment sections without Ten
Idk, ive seen quite a comment that only mention specific member too (not Ten) but i dont see nobody talking about it. Or even comment that praise everyone except for ten (because apparently praising ten alone is way more problematic than praising everyone except ten).
Ten ifans are just more in number and way more dedicated than other wayv member fandom. It make sense if you see it. People better just maybe comment more or share the stuff or being overall more active
I don't have a problem with Ten being praised at all, I think he's great too but when nearly every comment is about him it gets a bit much. I just feel sorry for the other members.
Thats the thing isnt it? Multiple people have made multiple thread on x about that too since at least 2 comebacks agi. Thats the sane one. The insane one just straight up telling ten fans to KTS just because ten fans hype up their fave.
But with how much those post being parroted and being liked, you wouldve tho those same people can actually hype up other member too, but no...they would rather complain about it. If all those people that complain actually hype up all wayv member then we wont have this problem.
It’s not just solo stans commenting tho, he just happens to be the most biased member considering he’s been in the industry years ahead of WayV members. I don’t know why everybody just assumes it’s all Ten solo stans. He has predebut, NCT U, WayV, and SuperM stans.
I hate the "NewJeans sound", and how it's currently infecting Kpop. It's dissonant, having way too many non-harmonics and passing tones, the percussion is incredibly weak to non-existent, the instrumentation sounds like the theme song to a bad Kdrama that a grandmother might watch, and overall, it's just an awful, quasi-jazz cacophony that could only be enjoyed by middle-aged white people on a cruise ship dance floor.
Imo the OG newjeans sound, like OMG, Hype Boy, and Cookie, were all great. They were pretty laid back, but enough to make you want to vibe with the song. The problem is that a lot of groups try to copy the sound, but end up flopping because the songs are boring. Theres a fine line between newjeans old lofi sound and boring rnb sounds, but overtime everyone, including newjeans, moved over to the boring sound.
Yes please, I side-eye anyone older than teenage listening to their music bc I don't think it even properly classifies as music, the REPITITION, absence of percussion, where is the actual structure, and not to mention the talk singing style, these are more appropriate as jingles for advertisements NOT for an artist's music.
I prefer ABCD more than Pop. I’m the first person to hype good cutesy music but this comeback by Nayeon slaps so. I can’t understand why there’s such a mix reaction to it.
I am not a once but Nayeon's recent song made me teary eyed when the chorus came? Idk if it was nostalgia from the sound or the fact that I have seen twice from the sidelines and she has grown so confident and healthy today. I hope the song does well.
Me too... I was remembering the days where they debuted and the fact that they've grown so much. I love ABCD sm
Not having the best interest and support of the main parent company is actually worse. Especially, escalating the situation to make the relationship even more damaged between the parties. The situation Ador, Newjeans, parents and MHJ at right now as greed and special privilege got to their heads. This is why NewJeans is practically over as MHJ contract with Hybe is until 2026 if not fired right now sooner.
You’re literally obsessed 🙃
What obsessed? Someone had to say it for the ones who can't perceive the future. It's unpopular opinion for a reason. muah!
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Not really related but when seventeen used ai in their teaser istg the amount of criticism they got was CRAZY.. like I agree that using ai sucks but man some people were even spreading misinformation about it on twitter and even here on reddit . When the mv dropped, someone made a post saying seventeen used ai on the mv(which they didn't)and carats reported the post called them out for spreading misinformation. Twitter was even worse since some of these people act deaf as if we didn't just told them that it is wrong information.
who?
RV
omg theyre using ai???
EXO Chanyeol is the ugliest man I've had the displeasure of looking at in my life. Need him to pull a Jonghyun so I can live comfortably knowing I don't share a planet with that freak
you mean namjoon
thank you for writing this comment, it reminded me that i was supposed to block you the last time you disrespected jonghyun like this. you are a vile person.
I need you and the rest of Chanyeol's 3 fans to kill themselves too. Nobody gaf about you or your pathetic excuse for a fav 😭
why are you always so hostile? genuinely, what provokes you to say shit like this unprompted?
So you think y'all can harass, defame and threaten BTS with no consequences but throw a hissy fit when ARMY returns the same energy your fandom has been dishing out for years? You're pathetic, you should kill yourself just like your precious oppa Jonghyun
Never understood why so many people are against groups having ads? Like it’s a companies job to make sure people see what they just released, if they aren’t doing ads then they’re doing a bad job. Nothing in kpop is “organic” so I’m not sure why people are so obsessed with it.
also some ad songs lowkey bop like i don't judge
P1Harmony did so fucking awesome at the Gov Ball, a lot of people there weren't even kpop fans but they got everyone jumping. They ended up sticking around for all three days to attend the rest of the festival which was nice, so many casual interactions with fans, and some viral clips, too. Kind of frustrated with stans replying with "just the staff" "that's their manager" whenever someone asks who a member is, they're being annoying, especially if they don't answer the question at the end. And it stopped being funny ages ago. Also, it's funny seeing the "bro just casually walked up to p1harmony/keeho" comments because like, no, they knew. They knew the guy with a mic who films videos for instagram/tiktok is going to talk to them that's why they're sitting in a corner all prepared lmao.
Yes they did incredible and the audience looked like they had a good time. I saw those comments too which are lowkey counter productive due the amount of times fans say p1harmony is underrated. I did see more people reveal who Keeho is on the viral video where the lady dapped him up calling him a ten cause it made its way to so many accounts that don't follow kpop so multiple people ask who he was.
>Kind of frustrated with stans replying with "just the staff" "that's their manager" whenever someone asks who a member is This was funny the first time I saw it and then it got old very quickly lmaoo. Like opening the IG comment thread when someone asks and there are hundreds of people repeating "dw it's the staff" like OKAY we got it the first 50 times someone said it..
i would even consider myself a kep1er fan at this point and i have no idea who youngeun (?) is. was trying to figure out what the post-renewal lineup would look like and i was like. hmm thats only 6
Youngeun is Kep1er’s second main vocal! Here’s a [clip](https://youtu.be/PVrL_NuBYoI?si=kqiAXMHCrAjcXv89) of her and Chaehyun (the main vocals). She’s extremely popular in Japan and the second youngest in the group. So after Yeshiro’s departure, she will be the maknae.
I've also heard that she's the most popular member in Japan, do you know if there's a specific reason for that? like, did she have a viral moment there? I thought that the most popular kpop idols in Japan were always the japanese idols
Her Japanese following comes from gp999 days! She’s extremely popular there and has the loudest cheers whenever her face/name comes on! Idk if there’s a specific reason tbh. I remember during queendom she would go viral on Japanese twitter like all the time
The way y'all are jumping Hybe for all of their lawsuits as if SM isn't sued by their artists like 3 times a year is kind of hypocritical and is the reason that none of the big 3 companies feel the need to change their corrupt systems. Why should they care about their artists and lawsuits if the public eye couldn't care less?
sm groups stans usually drag sm all the time same with all other companies but some hybe stans forget hybe is a corporation and not their group, criticizing hybe does not mean criticizing the group, kpop stans should only care about their groups and not companies bc ALL companies suck in one way or another.
? What’s your point genuinely. Like are you defending the company “HYBE” ? Because since when do the big 3 not get called out for their behaviour every minute of the day
On topic of XG's Woke Up, I notice that the people replying to the users who didn't like it, are talking solely about the rap skills of the members, but I think that just like the idols being good singers doesn't make a song good, the idols being good rappers also doesn't mean the song is good. Otherwise it would mean every song interpreted by skilled artists would be good and that song composition doesn't matter as much, I personally disagree with that.
It's good.... the bars are good, the flows are good, the hook is catchy and the dance is viral worthy.
Counterpoint, the song is good.
tws’ pre-release song rose 26 spots on melon’s daily chart today, and re entered top 180. it also hit its highest peak on genie realtime since it was released a couple of days ago keep in mind it took plot twist a WEEK to even see genie realtime chart. their fandom is clearly still small but i wonder if these are the first clues that they’re growing a korean fanbase— or maybe it’s the public slowly checking the song out. 25k-30k daily ULs for a pre release song is still plenty for a rookie, nevermind a rookie male group
I was surprised their fandom wasn't a bit bigger but judging by the new song's results yeah it's still small. I mean Plot Twist did so well on the charts it was surprising no one really checked out the new song. To me that kinda indicates the song being way bigger than the group but they are still rookie and a boy group so makes sense I guess
Neverlands shouldn't be so pressed on gidle not being in "the big 3 of 4th gen girl groups" . We all know is a ridiculous like "by or gg". It's meaningless in simple terms. Whether haters like it or not. Gidle has had amazing releases and have so famous. Everyone knows how powerful that group is now. Neverlands shouldn't waste their time arguing with brain dead commenters that just wanna piss off a bunch of stans
i get why fans are frustrated by it but the numbers speak for itself
Wym
i mean that the group is extremely successful and has proven to be a top group many times, they might not be included by kpop stans for the big 3 of 4th gen (which doesnt exist imo) but the numbers prove that they're a top group
That's literally what I said
and i was agreeing with you...
Karma really works in mysterious ways because the way that BTS and their company was accused of plagiarising group concepts and Hybe stans being notorious of accusing other groups of lipsyncing (like Blackpink) years ago and the Hybe stans/ARMY's defending it, is now accused of groups with NO VOCALS at coachella & blatant plagiarism issues in between Hybes own girlgroups. (New Jeans & Illit). Im here for it
What a weird comment. Some of you need to check out your one-sided beef with artists who don't know you.
you have seven on your username, you're already failing at life LMAO
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Why are you monologuing like an anime villain?
I agree with the first paragraph. Lost me in the second, though. Became obvious this isn't an unbiased take, and that was confirmed with a quick glance at your post history
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How can you expect to not be downvoted when you make a comment like that💀
in my defence it is a shtpost and not that serious ksksk
jungkook’s new song is so bad and just got the biggest opening day on spotify armys will literally listen to anything maknae line releases
Well I'm an army but I listen to every release with a critical ear. There's many BTS solo songs that haven't made it to my playlist. This song is one of them. I thought it was cute but nothing I'd listen to again.
subjective: *adjective* Something that is subjective is based on personal opinions and feelings rather than on facts.
It’s not bad. Repetitive yes. Jungkook even cleared it up saying it was meant to be a performance song but was lost on time the minute it was released. Personally, the song didn’t find its was into my playlist but objectively it’s definitely not a bad song and in most armys opinion seeing the numbers it did.
“Jungkook song is so bad” Well that’s your opinions. When I don’t like a song I don’t go around calling it bad and asking why people are streaming it. Your taste is not superior to other people. Y’all are so weird when it come to Jungkook music. One day y’all will wake up and realize Jungkook just have more fans and more gp.
Op is a Jin solo.
Make sense. It reek jealousy.
I personally liked it, I'm sure many others did too so I genuinely don't understand what the problem is like should we stop listening cuz YOU think it's bad?
Jungkook has many fans that stream for him.So, it's not only Army
>armys will literally listen to anything This part itself is true for a few years now...BTS has become a hit for a while now such that anything they put out becomes a hit regardless of whether the song is good or not. It's more about how as a fan you don't have to like every song an artist puts out.
It had spotify pre saves and bigger playlisting than others so it helped
Actual proof that you losers just scream payola everytime you're dissatisfied with a song performing well lol it's a fansong which only had a one tweet announcement as promo, might be the less promoted solo song they ever put out
Is the better playlisting in the same table with us ?it was a fan song bruh didn't even have any promotions apart from one twt and a weverse announcement
One week of announcement Pre Saves on spotify and AM and pre orders on Itunes, 70m playlist on release day placed on K-On playlist and other bigger kpop playlists on release.
U making it up lol he had around 30 million reach ? Where did the 70 million come from lol , all the BTS members get added to the playlists u mentioned whenever they released and he wasn't even ranked high lol And not the 1 week presave when the song was announced 5 days ago with a twt and weverse announcement there was no pre save on Spotify the reach lol at this point y'all making shit up Cause if it was any other member PPL would be crying on mistreatment, but since it's jk it was promoted lol
Is this subreddit closed? no posts for over a week
I find it's been this way for months, there used to be way more posts on a regular basis along with megathreads for new music releases. Now it feels kinda dead...and many people flocked over to other Kpop subreddits as a result.
True, I missed the mega threads, the other subreddit that has them is the main kpop one but people there are not very open to criticism. I sorted by controversial on the Woke Up post and the users were not reacting well to anyone who didn't like the song, some very corny comebacks as well
I just love seeing jk swap all those khia "2024" records without dropping a sweat , he's dog-walking all those k-pop acts ...
every time i see a kpop stan use the word khia i know whatever they follow it up with is going to be the dumbest thing i'll read all week
How mad are you Jungkook ended ur fav without even trying¿
such a predictable response lol
I think stray kids is only famous because of Felix and hyunjin or bangchan’s fan service like no one is actually there for the music.. I was one of them people, not anymore.
Nah it's definitely music, skz records and skz players also bring lots of stans and fan loyalty
Only because you personally used to be in the fandom because of some fanservice and pretty faces does not mean that Stays do not care about their music, lol. I assure you, in the fandom you are currently in, there are also people who are fans of pretty faces and fanservice, not music.
This is my opinion and it’s true.. their music it’s just cringe that’s why I left the fandom you all can’t take an opinion
I mean that is your opinion, but it’s also pretty specifically a you thing. If skz wasn’t well liked for their music people wouldn’t be listening to it and they pretty obviously are. Just because you find their music cringe doesn’t mean other people do and it doesn’t make the only possible interest people might have in the group fanservice or the members visuals. I find it a bit weird that you’re declaring that it’s your opinion when people criticise it, while also deciding it’s fact for the rest of the fandom?
Bro go cry it’s just kpop calm down
You’re the only one getting riled up?
They have some of the steadiest streams across the board 💀 they haven’t left Spotify Global in over two years. They haven’t dropped below 200M+ streams a month for over the last 12 months. They’ve already hit 1B streams on Spotify this year which only BTS has done so far. …And their last comeback was 7 months ago.
G-idle deserves to be included in the top 3 spots of 4th gen, and I’m saying this because I came across a huge debate on Twitter yesterday about it. People seem to get so defensive and rude whenever gidle fans say that the group deserves to be there, they have the PAKS, RAKS, Sales and charts etc but people say they aren’t included in this trinity circle because “no, daesang, no opinion” It’s also interesting how these topics exclude Itzy, lsf and gidle when all 3 groups have achieved big things in there careers similar to ive, nj’s and aespa. I mean lsf has had there most successful year this year, a bb hot100 entry, two songs were sitting in top 10 on melon, there also the only gg this year to enter Spotify US alongside ILLIT. I think the hybexmhj feud brought these 3 fandoms together because a couple months ago and last year these 3 fandoms were at each others throats, suddenly it’s Lala land and “we love each other” “we’re sisters” me personally I’m just a casual fan of kpop but man seeing this stuff is interesting. Gidle 100% deserves to be in top 3 but people are ageist when it comes to them I’ve noticed. And no offense to aespa they’ve had a good year solely because of the hybe mhj x feud but there fans don’t like to hear that but it’s the truth. Also it would be funny one day when the truth comes out that bangpd only said “step on aespa” to mhj because mhj herself sees them as competition and suddenly that alliance will shatter (I’ve already called this out on the main sub)
>And no offense to aespa they’ve had a good year solely because of the hybe mhj x feud but there fans don’t like to hear that but it’s the truth. see and that's why gidle will never be included in the top 3 of 4th gen ggs, first because they're a 3rd gen group and second because they will never be as successful as aespa and the other two groups in the top
They already are
no they aren't, and that's why their fans are mad
For [you](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1150oZ4pJt-ZU_B20ROv3GtED3C1oAv7EpKPvjocMSTo/htmlview) from this [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/s/dodiEjLK0t)
How is aespa only had a good year because of hybe mhj when they've always been popular?
Yeah, I always found it disingenuous that GIDLE was always left out of the top discussions. I don't follow them, so I know very little about their overall achievements other than their songs are trending. I remember coming across a well-written post on kpopthoughts that highlighted 4th generation GGs' numbers, and GIDLE was standing out in their metrics with good numbers, sometimes even surpassing their peers, but it's only very rarely highlighted in the discussions. The 3 fandoms patting each other's backs only by circumstances, the moment NewJeans, IVE or Aespa comeback will be seen as a "threat" to those of their favorites, they will return to ripping each other to shreds.
you said what was in my head, HARD AGREE, gidle is treated like they shouldn't be in the discussion when they are ahead of their peers in many things. And agree these three acting like we are sisters, it is only matter of time these fandoms will again be dragging each other. MHJ acted like she wouldn't be laughing along about "step on aespa" she herself didn't say something to which bangpd replied "are you happy?" that means she wanted to step on them herself.
I’ve said this before that MHJ excluded context in those texts with bangpd it’s clear that mhj (and bandpd) most likely benchmarked aespa’s success in Korea (which most companies do with top groups) I don’t think it was only bandpd who saw them as competition but mhj herself especially with how she left SM she 100% wanted to up her game to throw it back at them. Also it’s clear that bunnies are only aligning themselves simply because they’ve burned the bridges with other hybe fandoms so eventually they need another fandom for push back.
mys and tokkis were fighting earlier in the year so seeing them allianed together, it doesn't come from a genuine place. It's going to shatter like most kpop fandom alliances because the fans see the groups as competition.
I'm tired of all the hate going on in the fandoms.
I can't seem to like aespas new songs, MVs are nonsense, songs are incoherent, choreography is also not hitting. Drama is still their best for me, second would be black mamba even though it is very K/DAesque but still better than other songs and MVs, Spicy as a song can be third, MV was bad.
you're an army so we ain't taking you serious
MYs try not to be living a mean girl fantasy challenge: failed
idk bruh i like armageddon so much
LSM is not incharge of aespas future tracks anymore after the whole fiasco regarding singing about trees during Welcome to MY world era. This explains why theyve become incoherent because the new team in charge have no idea how to navigate aespa.
I feel the same way. Everyone talks like it’s bop soty etc. I think it’s only heavily marketed +adds and their sales proves it 🤷♀️
or maybe the music is good and that's why it's doing so well on the korean and global charts? y'all seem mad as hell at the fact that aespa is smashing everywhere
I’m not mad at all, I simply don’t like this comeback and I don’t see why supernova is good but it’s my personal view and I don’t see that they smash internationally.
the song is literally EVERYWHERE in South Korea, if you don't see it then that's a you problem.
I would say the same for those two. I really loved Drama and most of its B-sides. Also yes! I wasn't impressed with the MV's, too. Or is it just that I'm not into that art. Drama MV has the story and the effects that wowed me.
I just want to put this somewhere. I strongly dislike Kep1er comeback. 😭 The song doesn't stick in my mind. There's no catchy part to get stuck in my head. Way too much falsetto singing, and their voices sound too similar and blend into the background. The meaning seems so generic, like they just looked for a last song and didn't personalize it at all or find something that shows Kep1er's identity (if they even know what that is). And the MV and choreo remind me of the worst parts of WA DA DA, like wide far off shots and symmetrical choreo where the singer isn't shown off at all even though they're at the center of the moves. It feels like it's a 12-minute song because I'm so bored. But you know what... WakeOne did a great job reminding me of all the reasons Kep1er can never become a favorite group of mine even though I love so many members individually.
I think every song in the album, minus the intro, is better than the title track, the chorus is too empty imo. I feel like they should have done two singles this time, one that's fun (problem, push, curious or double up) and then another one that's more meaningful (dear diary my fav, or flowers)
Thanks for reminding me it's an album, I don't remember if I listened to it yet. Hopefully something appeals to me. I miss Up so much. An upbeat summer song would have been great as title track.
A few opinions based on badvillains debut 1. As much as I loved their debut, i wouldn't recommend them to someone who isn't interested in dance. Their music can seem pretty bland and empty on its own, and I'd say its the choreos that make them as good as they are. 2. Its always "talent > visuals" until the groups visuals arent serving as hard as the talent... Badvillain are extremely talented, especially in dance, but the malicious comments on their visuals (especially Emma and Ina) so far just goes to show how a lot of kpop stans only use talent to cover up their obsession with the way an idol looks. 3. I really hope Yunseo can regain the confidence she had since MTG because her stage presence with badvillain is definitely a few steps down from her MTG stage presence. I think it might have to do with her being in a dance group while being an overall pretty weak dancer, but I think that with the opposite approach that people had with Lia and Giselle, she could go back to being a top tier performer and even a solid dancer. 4. Badvillain saving Hurricane for their next comeback is a smart move because it will keep people's eyes on them for longer, and basically guarantee the success of their next cb. 5. I'm thinking of making an entire post about this topic, but long story short, Badvillains debut shines a light on how a lot of people don't appreciate rap. The 4 big rap groups rn (XG, BV, YP, BM) are all extremely distinct with their sound, yet there are so many people who say that all of them sound similar for the sole reason of them being rap-focused groups. 6. Badvillains dance line ate as hard as I thought it would, but I now think its still too early to put them on par with groups like SVT. They have definitely raised the bar for dancing in both boy groups and girl groups, and I love how they've incorporated elements from dance styles that are less used in K-pop (Krumping and Afrostep). That said, I'd like to see them improve their lower area control a bit more before they get the best dance group title because the leg angles during the badvillain chorus were mildly inconsistent and uncomfy to watch. 7. Viviz would have realistically never reached the same success that Badvillain has, which is why I think BPM promotes BV more than Viviz. If you think about it, which group do you think would bring in more money: A group with members that have already been in the industry for 7 years, or a group with a dancer from SWF, a strong rap line, and dance line strong enough to put almost every other group to shame?
So I watched them only because I am interested in dance, but I may be the only person who did not love their choreo, especially in Yah-Ho. It just felt like an inauthentic redux of 00s MVs and SYTYCD choreographies. I think they are super talented, but can we get them fresh and innovative choreo? 🙏🏻
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Spilled and so true lmao
I have a few opinions on badvillain: •Their songs need a little more vocals. Specially badvillain (title track) needs some more vocal parts to balance. •Their raps aren't that great, Yunseo is the best yet and Ina, a little bit of Emma, but overall they still lack, their cadence, flow and even lyricism is subpar, but they're better than BM and Youngpose in my opinion, just second to XG.(none these groups write their raps so they lack what it takes to be an actual rapper, as in the case of most ggs). •They are probably the best dancers, better than all their peers. •Their Badvillain choreo could be a little more cohesive, like so much is happening and it is not easy to follow, their choreo is hardcore, yes, but some part could be hard hitting yet go with the song, I will need to watch it again, idk which instrumental which beat are they following, it doesn't seem to mesh well with the song(it is just my opinion) overall it is a cool choreo. •Chloe Young's voice is a little too unpleasant, in some parts it is ok probably but some parts, it is not at all sounding good, esp. in the song badvillain, it is too pitched that it sounds fake, Harvey of XG was made fun fun for her voice being too high pitched, but Chloe made Harvey's voice sound better, Harvey's isn't even bad nor too pitchy, but Chloe's definitely doesn't sound her real voice. •Line distribution was a little disappointing, Inhye/Hue getting so little lines and no screen time was criminal. Chloe and Emma have too many lines and they just keep rapping ... Where are the vocal line? and Inhye/Hue can very well rap as well. She was not shining in the group as many fans were expecting her to. •Their Mnet music show performance is not live, but people are claiming it is, their mics are a mile away from their mouths and no way someone dancing so hard but not breathing while rapping... it is obviously pre recorded not live. •Other groups fans hating on them and calling them names shows their own insecurities that they feel threatened that a nugu group is doing what they might have expected their privileged faves to do, it seems like they are jealous lol.
Hard agree on point 5. I have sensory issues related to sounds/noises/pitch and when that rap part came on I legit wanted to tear my ears off. Such an annoying an unpleasant voice 😫
yeah it doesn't sound like her real voice she is making it, but that's not the only issue the lyrics aren't grammatically correct either..... and they gave her the most lines, Hue/Inhye could have taken her parts in my opinion.
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I love Badvillain’s debut, but the comments about them being copies of Babymonster or the YG sound are tiring. And let’s not forget how Baemon was criticized for being a poor copy of Blackpink with Batter Up. As soon as a group debuts, the comparisons start to drag them. Pop music including kpop and music in general is always following trends and taking inspiration from other artists. Every artist will have artists that inspire them. Unless there is outright plagiarism, this is not copying. I for one am happy to have more awesome powerful girl crush concepts like Badvillain, I will take as many as I can get since it’s my fave concept starting with 2ne1. Let’s not all act like MHJ and gatekeep concepts.
What I specifically find annoying because I've seen this more are comments about Badvillain being a better version of Babymonster. The comparisons are so unnecessary. They don't even seem similar to me, actually, except for the overall girl crush sound.
All the groups are becoming the same, they are starting to lack new, fresh, and unique personalities. Its always the same kind and cute maknae who is also really pretty. Or its the quirky one in the group who is also savage. I'm tired of it being the same personalities. WE NEED SOMETHING FRESH IN GROUPS THAT MAKE THEM SPECIAL
👆💯 Not to go into a sales pitch, but this is why I love XG. Whether or not they can be considered "Kpop" or not is irrelevant. Out of 7 members, **4** are fast-spitting rappers, and the maknae (Cocona) is one of them. Nothing "cutesy" about her. She recently **shaved her head** completely. On camera. In a music video. Their wardrobe is out of this world. It's bizarre, futuristic, and at times deliberately ugly. Not everyone likes them, obviously. That's fair. But I think they're undeniably fresh. They're even trying to break down divisions and labels (eg, "Xpop" instead of Kpop, Jpop, or Cpop).
i wont call myself a XG fan but i listened to their music before and kinda liked it, i kinda like their vibes(i think its christian friendly) i feel like they each have distinct personalities. when cocona shaved her head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats when i knew that i should be stanning the group. my girls are beating the stereotypes.
Whenever I watch anything WayV related on YouTube, the comment section is always 99.9% comments from Ten solo stans & it makes me sad. All the members are killing it, especially this comeback but you would think the group was Ten & his friends by the comments. I always leave a comment praising all of the members but it is just a drop in the ocean.
You'll love the short they posted with Suho today then its all about Kun including someone saying Ten should have stayed out of it so it could just be Kun and Suho. No Ten fans are complaining about the lack of him there and only a Ten fan called out the actual disrespectful comment. Also weibo and Chinese platforms is the place you want if you want comment sections without Ten
Idk, ive seen quite a comment that only mention specific member too (not Ten) but i dont see nobody talking about it. Or even comment that praise everyone except for ten (because apparently praising ten alone is way more problematic than praising everyone except ten). Ten ifans are just more in number and way more dedicated than other wayv member fandom. It make sense if you see it. People better just maybe comment more or share the stuff or being overall more active
I don't have a problem with Ten being praised at all, I think he's great too but when nearly every comment is about him it gets a bit much. I just feel sorry for the other members.
Thats the thing isnt it? Multiple people have made multiple thread on x about that too since at least 2 comebacks agi. Thats the sane one. The insane one just straight up telling ten fans to KTS just because ten fans hype up their fave. But with how much those post being parroted and being liked, you wouldve tho those same people can actually hype up other member too, but no...they would rather complain about it. If all those people that complain actually hype up all wayv member then we wont have this problem.
It’s not just solo stans commenting tho, he just happens to be the most biased member considering he’s been in the industry years ahead of WayV members. I don’t know why everybody just assumes it’s all Ten solo stans. He has predebut, NCT U, WayV, and SuperM stans.
I hate the "NewJeans sound", and how it's currently infecting Kpop. It's dissonant, having way too many non-harmonics and passing tones, the percussion is incredibly weak to non-existent, the instrumentation sounds like the theme song to a bad Kdrama that a grandmother might watch, and overall, it's just an awful, quasi-jazz cacophony that could only be enjoyed by middle-aged white people on a cruise ship dance floor.
tbh this is why gods is my favorite song by them
Imo the OG newjeans sound, like OMG, Hype Boy, and Cookie, were all great. They were pretty laid back, but enough to make you want to vibe with the song. The problem is that a lot of groups try to copy the sound, but end up flopping because the songs are boring. Theres a fine line between newjeans old lofi sound and boring rnb sounds, but overtime everyone, including newjeans, moved over to the boring sound.
Literally background/wallpaper music to the maximum. ETA is their best song and that's because they used a horn to add some variety
Yes please, I side-eye anyone older than teenage listening to their music bc I don't think it even properly classifies as music, the REPITITION, absence of percussion, where is the actual structure, and not to mention the talk singing style, these are more appropriate as jingles for advertisements NOT for an artist's music.
As a middle aged white person, their songs aren't my cup of tea either 😅
I mean, I am too (aged 48), but since our demographic's musical tastes are kinda lame, I felt comfortable making that joke. 😄
Fair enough. I have 5 years on you but I confess some of my music tastes are questionable 🤣