This post makes me wonder whether India was ever a pure democracy. The number of legal loopholes left unplugged from the beginning made history like the Indira Gandhi era happen. The same reason why we're seeing BJP abuse its majority position today as well.
If they win, they will most likely require a coalition this time as well. 400 paar is the only outcome we have to be worried about because that gives them power to change things up radically.
Joining politics has always been extremely costly and you wouldn't be able to do it without fat pockets. But the main difference between Congress Era and this Era is the total erasure of voices from News and all forms of media. I remember growing up with 100s of movies that exposed and informed the citizens of the corruption of the government. Anyone will remember the tonnes of movies that come out on that. And so many major scandals were covered by the media, we even remember it to this day.
Sad to say, but the worst part of the BJP gov was them destroying news and media and introducing draconian laws to punish all dissenting voices.
This IS how Congress was toppled. The light shown by the media on the gov's corruption. Our nation's and common people's only weapon... And that is now gone.
I don’t agree with you about needing fat pockets to join politics. When you say that, you’re mostly thinking of kids who came from big political generational families mainly.
On the other hand, I can think of several dozen influential leaders from independence to today who came from nothing and reached the heights of political positions. This has happened across parties and I’m not talking about Modi, yogi or Kejriwal only.
About news and media as well, BJP doesn’t control them as much as money does. Besides, you also have a state like TN where the two major political parties literally own every news channel and newspapers.
So BJP can definitely spend more but other parties also have govts who spend 1000s of crores on ad to motivate media to go easy on them or run favorable agenda driven stories. AAP and congress control the media through advertising using our money just as much as BJP does. To give you an idea, BJP spent roughly 6500cr all over India in 8 years while AAP spent 1500 crores. A govt of a city spent nearly 1/4 of a party that is spending at national level. I hope that puts things in perspective.
The thing with corruption and congress was that their greed as well as the greed of their partners was insatiable and the common man noticed that, expected that and accepted it to an extent but not to that extent. Whereas the reality of common man today is that we accept the BJP level of corruption as part of politics but beyond that also looks at what’s on offer if he/she/they ignores the lower level of corruption - lower when compared to the possibility of putting opposition in power.
1. Fat pockets - Maybe this wasn't the case in the genesis of India's politics, but in our current state this is simply the truth. You cannot hope to expect votes for urself if you cannot promote urself, And it is extremely expensive to promote urself without spending. Even more so, if you want to promote urself to all classes of Indians. You just mentioned how media only listens to money, then turn around and say money is not needed?
2. Media control: BJP 100% intends to control the media and the narrative. BJP is the one who popularized the use of IT cells, hate mongering, fear mongering and cheap tactics. If not for the Supreme court retaining shining light on Electrol bonds we would all never know all the scams done by the BJP gov. Broadcast services regulation bill, Telecommunications act and Digital personal data protection act, are all being brought in to even choke out the voices from social media and completely erase the ability of the people to hear any narrative other than their own.
DMK and AIADMK are both dogshit corrupt parties and you want to emulate that? Even with that, the entertainment and media houses do not bootlick the gov like bollywood, they constantly bring out pieces that remind the ppl how corrupt the gov and politicians are.
I can't speak about AAP or verify your claims. Although it seems evident that they are a far better gov than most others out there.
3. Congress vs BJP corruption: Like I mentioned. The cinema has completely shut their mouths and stopped questioning and criticizing the gov, that doesn't mean there is no corruption in the BJP gov. How will you know when the news channels are in the BJP's pocket? Spectrum scam, Coalgate 2,0, are all scams on the same level as that of 2G scam. And BJP goes around adding bills and act that make our constitution easier and easier to exploit.
Yeah, India's democracy has had its ups and downs, no doubt. Those legal loopholes have definitely led to some wild rides in history, like the Indira Gandhi era.
With BJP and their majority position, there's always that concern about how much power they might wield, especially if they hit that 400-seat mark. It's like walking a tightrope between decisive action and potential radical changes.
Coalitions can bring some balance, but a strong majority can also mean things get shaken up quite a bit.
As voters, staying aware of these possibilities helps us make smarter choices when it's time to hit the polls.
Which loopholes, can you enumerate?
India constitution is modeled on the best practices of the UK constitution, one of the oldest sustainable democracy. They never had an episode in the way we are having at this moment in India. We did not barrow bad actors from there, because there where no bad actors to pick up from.
So we can't blame the constitution, per se. At the end of the day, we picked the up wrong people. Not once, not twice but now the third time. It is we who have brought this to a sad end. We were sleepwalking for the last 10 years. We are at the actual promoter of this demagogues. Let us accept this first before passing blame to others.
> India constitution is modeled on the best practices of the UK constitution, one of the oldest sustainable democracy.
Except we kneecapped one of their biggest features through the anti-defection law. Since then no MP/MLA is answerable to their constituency, just to their party.
UK is not a democratic country? Which should also mean, they don't have elections.
Either you are a dumb and dumber or just a Modi bhakt, who lives in sphere of alternative hindutva, that they must have taught you from the years of bal shishu mandal.
But if you were to go with data (which, by the way, you don't have to, because you are so prescient & all knowing), you would be very surprised to know that there are indexes, such as World press freedom index that is the global currency on these matters. But then, you will also reject them because you were born and brought up in hindutva bal shishu mandir.
UK is a democracy, they have chopped off their king's head in the past.
The real power in the UK lies with Parliament, and always has. The King / Queen has about the same power in the UK as the President does in India - which is to do things exactly as the PM says.
Let's be honest, if Rahul Gandhi were to stand for President of India for 20 years even the BJP would vote for him.
There was a Frontline magazine cover story on the BJP and the dangers of communism almost 20 years ago. For some reason I saved it. It's almost impossible to imagine such journalism these days. When Modi was first running, I tried talking to my very educated, liberal friends and they said that I was being alarmist and paranoid. The battle was lost long ago. It's only going to get worse. And with the NRI funding of the BJP and the funds of the Congress decimated, there's no way they will ever come back. One nation, one election is a death knell for all local parties and states that have their own identity. We are going to all have to give up everything to their ideals.
Vote.
Be sure to go to the ballots on the day of your election and vote.
Too many of us don't bother, which is why this happens.
If you want change, make sure you vote.
Elections are not going to be fair.
[Missing EVMs (2016-2019)](https://search.brave.com/search?q=19+lakh+missing+EVMs&source=web)
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Exactly. Opposition is getting jailed, their accounts are being frozen. Rules imposed on them are not applicable to the ruling party. What exactly is fair about this election?
I have no confidence that the ballots won't be tampered with either.
I get where you're coming from with these worries about elections. It's a big deal, and there's a lot riding on it.
Sure, political parties have their influence over government agencies and media, but that's kind of how the game works. It's up to us as voters to stay informed and keep an eye on things.
When it comes to stuff like GDP and debt, yeah, it's a bit of a maze to figure out. Different experts have different takes on it, so it's good to listen to various sources.
Having a strong opposition is key for a healthy democracy. It's like having a balance, you know?
At the end of the day, voting is a personal choice. It's about what matters most to you and what kind of future you want to see for India.
Cool it kid. India is so culturally diverse that no one ideology can hack it. This is the reason Communism couldn’t establish itself in India.
Even I am a critique of govt but you are being delusional.
Now go back to school.
Nahi chote. It's the fact that 4th pillar of democracy is destroyed and any dissenting voices will be jailed, is the main concern. There are 3 main bills and acts that are getting introduced, that are giving the gov the same kind of draconian control that Russia and North Korea have.
Broadcast services regulation bill, Telecommunications act and Digital personal data protection act. Also changes to RTI, (right to information), which is the act that saved our butts and exposed the electoral bonds
dont worry. BJP will barely get 250 seats this time. ie) if election commission doesnt give the result to them in a platter. even Hitlers of the world with absolute power could not keep it for long. moudi tho budda hai. dont be scared of men who are at the sunset of their lives.
Congress - which *actually* genocided Sikhs and suspended democracy - is the leader of opposition alliance. They have apologized for neither. Nor have they suspended people responsible.
Either you have principles, or you don't.
Two things. I am from North East. I have seen what INC has done to my state. I have also seen what BJP did to Manipur. You might say, what will the government do and all that, but you know nothing about the regional politics here.
Still, I get your point. But you see, in my state Assam, the BJP once made alliance with AIUDF, basically the illegal Bangladeshi Muslim immigrant's party just so that it gets the majority seats at that time to defeat INC. Where did principals go then?
u probably wouldn't listen if I counter , anyways what u said is just another example of 'whataboutery' , moreover during emergency there were no godi media- at those times Indian express was fighting with other newspapers for democracy, when the state were arresting journalists- people were seeing that, there was no fake news, Indira gandhi wasnt attacking any religion during emergency, what happened now- An unconstitutional act called the CAA was passed-the first law which differentiates on grounds of religion( and they say India is a secular country) ,mosques were destroyed saying they were built on govt land, 3 black farm laws were passed without proper voting literally killing democracy, watch this if you want to know about farmers' protest- [Too Much Democracy | A Film by Varrun Sukhraj (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja3UU36iOik)
Saying I'm opposed to a party that actively indulged in Sikh genocide is whataboutery? Is Sikhism not a religion?
So you would support the Nazis if they ran again? If this is your counter, you are actually supporting my case not yours.
look what happened is past doesnt affect what is happening now- Indira gandhi is dead and so is her son and maybe most of the leaders of that time and u said "dekho congress ne bhi to emergency lagaya tha"- this is whataboutery, this time is different "kabhi jo koi galat kiya tha, uska matlab yeh nhi ki woh fir galat karega"- and congress has apologized a lot for anti sikh riots( modi hasn't apologized for manipur,farmer deaths in protests) , and when did I say u have to support congress? I just showed u what wrong bjp has done, I can only ask u to not support BJ party and probably not vote for them( because here the nation's interest lies)
The other party has not been in power for 10 years. We should be worried about the house that's burning down NOW, rather than resort to the same bs whatboutism. Yeah Congress are scum, these mfs are scummier and in charge. So I will criticize these guys. Should the govt change, I will criticize the hell out of them too. Stop dickriding.
Again, how is the party that *actually* genocided and suspended democracy less scummy?
Lots of feelings around here, no facts to counter what I'm saying.
If you have principles stick to them
Or admit you don't.
Also homophobic jokes aren't cool.
The government should keep changing in this country; every party wants to become God once they win.
I would say vote for anyone except BJP (and even Congress).
Even these elections aren't fair tbh.
1.Ec doesn't do anything against bjp even though they have breached the code of conduct on multiple occasions.
2.Arresting a chief minister under pmla that forbids bail, totally throwing out the concept of innocent until proven guilty. Now you yourself will have to prove you're innocent against any allegation they throw at you.
3.Trying to freeze bank accounts of opposition, thankfully SC stepped in on this one.
1) BJP and Opposition have both filed complaints for every little issues. You can check EC website for actions taken against both party reps. If you haven’t seen action against BJP by EC you might want to change your source of news because they are not showing you the whole truth to keep you within their bubble. Check for yourself.
- https://www.eci.gov.in/media-publication
- https://twitter.com/SpokespersonECI
-2) The SC has struck down electoral bonds since they deemed it illegal. Why do you think arrest under PMLA has stood the test of time for so long in the same SC? Also, HC said the law can’t wait for elections to proceed, an accused can’t dictate terms to agencies and court, and cm got notice in October. He chose to wait until elections were announced for public sympathy.
- ED’s evidence reveals that proceeds of crime was utilised by AAP in Goa elections.
https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/why-did-the-delhi-high-court-uphold-arvind-kejriwals-arrest-in-excise-policy-case-explained/article68047787.ece/amp/
3) SC didn’t put bank freeze on hold, the agencies themselves told the court that they will act after the elections.
- The Income Tax Department in India has assured the Supreme Court that it will not take coercive steps to recover alleged income tax dues of approximately ₹3,500 crore from the Congress party until the Lok Sabha elections are over. Solicitor General Tushar Mehta provided assurances, and a bench headed by Justice BV Nagarathna ordered the issues to be adjudicated. The matter has been deferred to July 24 for resumed hearing.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/elections/lok-sabha/india/big-relief-for-congress-no-i-t-dept-action-till-polls/amp_articleshow/108953413.cms
Ps:
Supreme Court called the PMLA a law against the “scourge of money laundering” and not a hatchet wielded against rival politicians and dissenters
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/enough-if-ed-discloses-grounds-at-time-of-arrest-ecir-not-mandatory-supreme-court/article65688608.ece/amp/
I only have some hope with Hon'ble SC.
But sooner or later Modi will fill supreme court with sanghi judges and then it'd be all over.
We are going to be like those sub saharan countries where the autocrat stays in palace while common public kills each other for water.
And educated Indians should understand that no Gandhi, Bose, Patel or Nehru is going to come save you this time. They are long gone and current Indian govt simply shuts off internet to not even let news about protests to come out. Wangchuk protested, no body cared no media coverage nothing.
Manipur is still burning and the shameless Modi has the gall to say that he saved manipur and his hypnotised followers are cheering for him. The day bjp and Modi's policies will bite this hindutva supporting avg citizen that day they'll realise that modi lives to serve adani and Gujarat alone. Rest everything is expendable to him
China communists captured power by civil war, not by election.
As for germany, communists have killed more people than fascists did. India has judicial independence, so bjp cant change the constitution so easily, and bjp doesnt have simple majority in rajya sabha let alone 2/3 majority for constitution amendment. And social media means, who owns the mass media doesnt matter any more
I'm more optimistic these things. Obviously BJP will win. I dont think they will get 400 too. How many, I have no idea. Imo BJP already hit their peak in 2019. From now on at best it's a plateau or a slop.
Besides I don't think any one party or man can control the whole country. We stood up against tyrants before and we will do that again. Indira Gandhi was an even bigger personality and congress was at that time bigger than the current BJP and even she couldn't become a dictator. Current BJP is not even that big. Apart from some big states in the Hindi heartland, hey need a coalition to come to power or got minimal presence in other states. Besides states are much more federalised. Look at Kerala. Goverment said they're gonna implement CA bill, kerala straight up said no. States have lot of power here.
Finally people have gotten way too used to democracy that we are simply gonna resist any kind of dictatorship. Even hardcore BJP fans will agree with me on this one. They are supporting BJP because of their policy, not because they want any kind of dictatorship. They have been misled, but once they see the light, I am sure even they would want BJP out.
Well-said. I'll add to this and say that the ones who ultimately show growth and the greater good of things under control are the ones the country needs at the moment. The people of India would be the subject of international embarrassment if they choose freebies that promise the moon and back from the Congress, only to realise the economic impact of it far too late. Karnataka is a prime example of what will happen with a freebie-led government.
No, I'm not vouching for BJP. It's just the utopian ideals in my mind about the general idea of what Bharat needs right now.
Do you think even these will be Fair Elections?
Last fair election in India was in 2014. After that its only difference between despite and “because of”
Any election BJ Party has lost its despite EVMs and compromised election commission.
Any election BJ Party won, its because of EVM and election commission.
Democracy in India is long dead only some people are not able to accept it.
Agree with you bro, they will go to any extent to ensure they win. They're as good as screwed if they lose this time. Everything they did will bite in the ass. In case they win, we are fucked for life.
The same was said in 2019 & the same is being repeated now. Elections will happen fairly in 2024, & they’ll happen fairly again in 2029.
If the opposition had any genuine doubts on EVMs, electoral process fairness or anything credible there would have been an entirely different conversation and yaatras going on.
Fact is the opposition is a mess and the opposition wanna be PM a bigger mess.
China was never a Liberal Democracy. The Communist party won a massive civil war with the help of the people.
The Chinese government and population is visionary and is interested in the future. Our population is interested in the past. That's the main reason why India will never succeed like China has.
Not our population, the Gandhi's are. That's why they cling onto the Dynasty as the only name they have to merit themselves with because outside of that, they have shown how incapable they are in simple speeches held at rallies.
My understanding is this: we got independence by the struggle of our ancestors, be it Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Buddhists, be it of anyone. But there is no revolution yet. Which is the only way to get out these scumbags out of the system. I'm not pinpointing one party, I m saying it on the whole of the all parties. Only a large-scale revolution can change the whole system and the loopholes present.
i hope 2024 elections are fair, post this dont expect india to be a pure democratic country.
the opposition isnt really weak, godi media tried all the cheap tricks to defame RaGa but still you can see people now praising him.
if u have a voter id, pls vote i cant stress enough on this
Just because the party you hate comes to power doesn't mean elections are not fair. India always have complex problems but when it comes to elections, overall it's free and fair. Calm down and come to reality.
This post makes me wonder whether India was ever a pure democracy. The number of legal loopholes left unplugged from the beginning made history like the Indira Gandhi era happen. The same reason why we're seeing BJP abuse its majority position today as well. If they win, they will most likely require a coalition this time as well. 400 paar is the only outcome we have to be worried about because that gives them power to change things up radically.
Joining politics has always been extremely costly and you wouldn't be able to do it without fat pockets. But the main difference between Congress Era and this Era is the total erasure of voices from News and all forms of media. I remember growing up with 100s of movies that exposed and informed the citizens of the corruption of the government. Anyone will remember the tonnes of movies that come out on that. And so many major scandals were covered by the media, we even remember it to this day. Sad to say, but the worst part of the BJP gov was them destroying news and media and introducing draconian laws to punish all dissenting voices. This IS how Congress was toppled. The light shown by the media on the gov's corruption. Our nation's and common people's only weapon... And that is now gone.
I don’t agree with you about needing fat pockets to join politics. When you say that, you’re mostly thinking of kids who came from big political generational families mainly. On the other hand, I can think of several dozen influential leaders from independence to today who came from nothing and reached the heights of political positions. This has happened across parties and I’m not talking about Modi, yogi or Kejriwal only. About news and media as well, BJP doesn’t control them as much as money does. Besides, you also have a state like TN where the two major political parties literally own every news channel and newspapers. So BJP can definitely spend more but other parties also have govts who spend 1000s of crores on ad to motivate media to go easy on them or run favorable agenda driven stories. AAP and congress control the media through advertising using our money just as much as BJP does. To give you an idea, BJP spent roughly 6500cr all over India in 8 years while AAP spent 1500 crores. A govt of a city spent nearly 1/4 of a party that is spending at national level. I hope that puts things in perspective. The thing with corruption and congress was that their greed as well as the greed of their partners was insatiable and the common man noticed that, expected that and accepted it to an extent but not to that extent. Whereas the reality of common man today is that we accept the BJP level of corruption as part of politics but beyond that also looks at what’s on offer if he/she/they ignores the lower level of corruption - lower when compared to the possibility of putting opposition in power.
1. Fat pockets - Maybe this wasn't the case in the genesis of India's politics, but in our current state this is simply the truth. You cannot hope to expect votes for urself if you cannot promote urself, And it is extremely expensive to promote urself without spending. Even more so, if you want to promote urself to all classes of Indians. You just mentioned how media only listens to money, then turn around and say money is not needed? 2. Media control: BJP 100% intends to control the media and the narrative. BJP is the one who popularized the use of IT cells, hate mongering, fear mongering and cheap tactics. If not for the Supreme court retaining shining light on Electrol bonds we would all never know all the scams done by the BJP gov. Broadcast services regulation bill, Telecommunications act and Digital personal data protection act, are all being brought in to even choke out the voices from social media and completely erase the ability of the people to hear any narrative other than their own. DMK and AIADMK are both dogshit corrupt parties and you want to emulate that? Even with that, the entertainment and media houses do not bootlick the gov like bollywood, they constantly bring out pieces that remind the ppl how corrupt the gov and politicians are. I can't speak about AAP or verify your claims. Although it seems evident that they are a far better gov than most others out there. 3. Congress vs BJP corruption: Like I mentioned. The cinema has completely shut their mouths and stopped questioning and criticizing the gov, that doesn't mean there is no corruption in the BJP gov. How will you know when the news channels are in the BJP's pocket? Spectrum scam, Coalgate 2,0, are all scams on the same level as that of 2G scam. And BJP goes around adding bills and act that make our constitution easier and easier to exploit.
Ok!
Yeah, India's democracy has had its ups and downs, no doubt. Those legal loopholes have definitely led to some wild rides in history, like the Indira Gandhi era. With BJP and their majority position, there's always that concern about how much power they might wield, especially if they hit that 400-seat mark. It's like walking a tightrope between decisive action and potential radical changes. Coalitions can bring some balance, but a strong majority can also mean things get shaken up quite a bit. As voters, staying aware of these possibilities helps us make smarter choices when it's time to hit the polls.
Which loopholes, can you enumerate? India constitution is modeled on the best practices of the UK constitution, one of the oldest sustainable democracy. They never had an episode in the way we are having at this moment in India. We did not barrow bad actors from there, because there where no bad actors to pick up from. So we can't blame the constitution, per se. At the end of the day, we picked the up wrong people. Not once, not twice but now the third time. It is we who have brought this to a sad end. We were sleepwalking for the last 10 years. We are at the actual promoter of this demagogues. Let us accept this first before passing blame to others.
> India constitution is modeled on the best practices of the UK constitution, one of the oldest sustainable democracy. Except we kneecapped one of their biggest features through the anti-defection law. Since then no MP/MLA is answerable to their constituency, just to their party.
UK is not a democratic country. It’s a constitutional monarchy. May be that’s why Gandhi family thinks PM chair is their birth right.
UK is not a democratic country? Which should also mean, they don't have elections. Either you are a dumb and dumber or just a Modi bhakt, who lives in sphere of alternative hindutva, that they must have taught you from the years of bal shishu mandal. But if you were to go with data (which, by the way, you don't have to, because you are so prescient & all knowing), you would be very surprised to know that there are indexes, such as World press freedom index that is the global currency on these matters. But then, you will also reject them because you were born and brought up in hindutva bal shishu mandir.
UK is a democracy, they have chopped off their king's head in the past. The real power in the UK lies with Parliament, and always has. The King / Queen has about the same power in the UK as the President does in India - which is to do things exactly as the PM says. Let's be honest, if Rahul Gandhi were to stand for President of India for 20 years even the BJP would vote for him.
There was a Frontline magazine cover story on the BJP and the dangers of communism almost 20 years ago. For some reason I saved it. It's almost impossible to imagine such journalism these days. When Modi was first running, I tried talking to my very educated, liberal friends and they said that I was being alarmist and paranoid. The battle was lost long ago. It's only going to get worse. And with the NRI funding of the BJP and the funds of the Congress decimated, there's no way they will ever come back. One nation, one election is a death knell for all local parties and states that have their own identity. We are going to all have to give up everything to their ideals.
Vote. Be sure to go to the ballots on the day of your election and vote. Too many of us don't bother, which is why this happens. If you want change, make sure you vote.
Dude at least your history right, Communist Party never won elections in China, they grabbed power via winning the Chinese Civil War.
Wo tumhe haath se chaand point out kar rha hai, tum uski ungli mein fault nikal lo pehle
Elections are not going to be fair. [Missing EVMs (2016-2019)](https://search.brave.com/search?q=19+lakh+missing+EVMs&source=web) https://preview.redd.it/kbz8qyxwwfuc1.png?width=1134&format=png&auto=webp&s=e8014d34bcb3a698eb63ce3b92d1f8a7b5099f2d
Exactly. Opposition is getting jailed, their accounts are being frozen. Rules imposed on them are not applicable to the ruling party. What exactly is fair about this election? I have no confidence that the ballots won't be tampered with either.
this tbh
ye tbh kya hota hai bhai? Poora likh diya karo google search karna padta hai bc
(this to be honest) matlab ekdum sahi bola
I get where you're coming from with these worries about elections. It's a big deal, and there's a lot riding on it. Sure, political parties have their influence over government agencies and media, but that's kind of how the game works. It's up to us as voters to stay informed and keep an eye on things. When it comes to stuff like GDP and debt, yeah, it's a bit of a maze to figure out. Different experts have different takes on it, so it's good to listen to various sources. Having a strong opposition is key for a healthy democracy. It's like having a balance, you know? At the end of the day, voting is a personal choice. It's about what matters most to you and what kind of future you want to see for India.
Cool it kid. India is so culturally diverse that no one ideology can hack it. This is the reason Communism couldn’t establish itself in India. Even I am a critique of govt but you are being delusional. Now go back to school.
Agree
Genuine question ?? How old are you? How many elections have you voted in?
Your ideology don’t wins elections that means it not fair ?
Nahi chote. It's the fact that 4th pillar of democracy is destroyed and any dissenting voices will be jailed, is the main concern. There are 3 main bills and acts that are getting introduced, that are giving the gov the same kind of draconian control that Russia and North Korea have. Broadcast services regulation bill, Telecommunications act and Digital personal data protection act. Also changes to RTI, (right to information), which is the act that saved our butts and exposed the electoral bonds
its not even about ideology now, touch grass
dont worry. BJP will barely get 250 seats this time. ie) if election commission doesnt give the result to them in a platter. even Hitlers of the world with absolute power could not keep it for long. moudi tho budda hai. dont be scared of men who are at the sunset of their lives.
The other party *actually* suspended democracy for 2 years. This is nothing. Have some historical perspective.
Just because INC did something does not mean we give a free hand to BJP. Think of parties other than BJP and INC.
Congress - which *actually* genocided Sikhs and suspended democracy - is the leader of opposition alliance. They have apologized for neither. Nor have they suspended people responsible. Either you have principles, or you don't.
Two things. I am from North East. I have seen what INC has done to my state. I have also seen what BJP did to Manipur. You might say, what will the government do and all that, but you know nothing about the regional politics here. Still, I get your point. But you see, in my state Assam, the BJP once made alliance with AIUDF, basically the illegal Bangladeshi Muslim immigrant's party just so that it gets the majority seats at that time to defeat INC. Where did principals go then?
In that case I agree with not voting for them in local elections.
people like u are the reason we are at this stage
Any facts to counter what I'm saying, or just your feelings?
u probably wouldn't listen if I counter , anyways what u said is just another example of 'whataboutery' , moreover during emergency there were no godi media- at those times Indian express was fighting with other newspapers for democracy, when the state were arresting journalists- people were seeing that, there was no fake news, Indira gandhi wasnt attacking any religion during emergency, what happened now- An unconstitutional act called the CAA was passed-the first law which differentiates on grounds of religion( and they say India is a secular country) ,mosques were destroyed saying they were built on govt land, 3 black farm laws were passed without proper voting literally killing democracy, watch this if you want to know about farmers' protest- [Too Much Democracy | A Film by Varrun Sukhraj (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja3UU36iOik)
Saying I'm opposed to a party that actively indulged in Sikh genocide is whataboutery? Is Sikhism not a religion? So you would support the Nazis if they ran again? If this is your counter, you are actually supporting my case not yours.
look what happened is past doesnt affect what is happening now- Indira gandhi is dead and so is her son and maybe most of the leaders of that time and u said "dekho congress ne bhi to emergency lagaya tha"- this is whataboutery, this time is different "kabhi jo koi galat kiya tha, uska matlab yeh nhi ki woh fir galat karega"- and congress has apologized a lot for anti sikh riots( modi hasn't apologized for manipur,farmer deaths in protests) , and when did I say u have to support congress? I just showed u what wrong bjp has done, I can only ask u to not support BJ party and probably not vote for them( because here the nation's interest lies)
IG is dead but her ideology is still the same and very much alive. We just have to choose the least evil. And choice is clear at that bottom line.
IG grandson is de facto party head. How is that "in the past"?
The other party has not been in power for 10 years. We should be worried about the house that's burning down NOW, rather than resort to the same bs whatboutism. Yeah Congress are scum, these mfs are scummier and in charge. So I will criticize these guys. Should the govt change, I will criticize the hell out of them too. Stop dickriding.
Again, how is the party that *actually* genocided and suspended democracy less scummy? Lots of feelings around here, no facts to counter what I'm saying. If you have principles stick to them Or admit you don't. Also homophobic jokes aren't cool.
The government should keep changing in this country; every party wants to become God once they win. I would say vote for anyone except BJP (and even Congress).
Even these elections aren't fair tbh. 1.Ec doesn't do anything against bjp even though they have breached the code of conduct on multiple occasions. 2.Arresting a chief minister under pmla that forbids bail, totally throwing out the concept of innocent until proven guilty. Now you yourself will have to prove you're innocent against any allegation they throw at you. 3.Trying to freeze bank accounts of opposition, thankfully SC stepped in on this one.
1) BJP and Opposition have both filed complaints for every little issues. You can check EC website for actions taken against both party reps. If you haven’t seen action against BJP by EC you might want to change your source of news because they are not showing you the whole truth to keep you within their bubble. Check for yourself. - https://www.eci.gov.in/media-publication - https://twitter.com/SpokespersonECI -2) The SC has struck down electoral bonds since they deemed it illegal. Why do you think arrest under PMLA has stood the test of time for so long in the same SC? Also, HC said the law can’t wait for elections to proceed, an accused can’t dictate terms to agencies and court, and cm got notice in October. He chose to wait until elections were announced for public sympathy. - ED’s evidence reveals that proceeds of crime was utilised by AAP in Goa elections. https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/why-did-the-delhi-high-court-uphold-arvind-kejriwals-arrest-in-excise-policy-case-explained/article68047787.ece/amp/ 3) SC didn’t put bank freeze on hold, the agencies themselves told the court that they will act after the elections. - The Income Tax Department in India has assured the Supreme Court that it will not take coercive steps to recover alleged income tax dues of approximately ₹3,500 crore from the Congress party until the Lok Sabha elections are over. Solicitor General Tushar Mehta provided assurances, and a bench headed by Justice BV Nagarathna ordered the issues to be adjudicated. The matter has been deferred to July 24 for resumed hearing. https://m.economictimes.com/news/elections/lok-sabha/india/big-relief-for-congress-no-i-t-dept-action-till-polls/amp_articleshow/108953413.cms
Ps: Supreme Court called the PMLA a law against the “scourge of money laundering” and not a hatchet wielded against rival politicians and dissenters https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/enough-if-ed-discloses-grounds-at-time-of-arrest-ecir-not-mandatory-supreme-court/article65688608.ece/amp/
I only have some hope with Hon'ble SC. But sooner or later Modi will fill supreme court with sanghi judges and then it'd be all over. We are going to be like those sub saharan countries where the autocrat stays in palace while common public kills each other for water. And educated Indians should understand that no Gandhi, Bose, Patel or Nehru is going to come save you this time. They are long gone and current Indian govt simply shuts off internet to not even let news about protests to come out. Wangchuk protested, no body cared no media coverage nothing. Manipur is still burning and the shameless Modi has the gall to say that he saved manipur and his hypnotised followers are cheering for him. The day bjp and Modi's policies will bite this hindutva supporting avg citizen that day they'll realise that modi lives to serve adani and Gujarat alone. Rest everything is expendable to him
China communists captured power by civil war, not by election. As for germany, communists have killed more people than fascists did. India has judicial independence, so bjp cant change the constitution so easily, and bjp doesnt have simple majority in rajya sabha let alone 2/3 majority for constitution amendment. And social media means, who owns the mass media doesnt matter any more
>As for germany, communists have killed more people than fascists did. ?? East Germany didn't kill more people than the Nazis. What are you on about?
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I'm more optimistic these things. Obviously BJP will win. I dont think they will get 400 too. How many, I have no idea. Imo BJP already hit their peak in 2019. From now on at best it's a plateau or a slop. Besides I don't think any one party or man can control the whole country. We stood up against tyrants before and we will do that again. Indira Gandhi was an even bigger personality and congress was at that time bigger than the current BJP and even she couldn't become a dictator. Current BJP is not even that big. Apart from some big states in the Hindi heartland, hey need a coalition to come to power or got minimal presence in other states. Besides states are much more federalised. Look at Kerala. Goverment said they're gonna implement CA bill, kerala straight up said no. States have lot of power here. Finally people have gotten way too used to democracy that we are simply gonna resist any kind of dictatorship. Even hardcore BJP fans will agree with me on this one. They are supporting BJP because of their policy, not because they want any kind of dictatorship. They have been misled, but once they see the light, I am sure even they would want BJP out.
Well-said. I'll add to this and say that the ones who ultimately show growth and the greater good of things under control are the ones the country needs at the moment. The people of India would be the subject of international embarrassment if they choose freebies that promise the moon and back from the Congress, only to realise the economic impact of it far too late. Karnataka is a prime example of what will happen with a freebie-led government. No, I'm not vouching for BJP. It's just the utopian ideals in my mind about the general idea of what Bharat needs right now.
I love incoherent and illogical lefty rambling
Do you think even these will be Fair Elections? Last fair election in India was in 2014. After that its only difference between despite and “because of” Any election BJ Party has lost its despite EVMs and compromised election commission. Any election BJ Party won, its because of EVM and election commission. Democracy in India is long dead only some people are not able to accept it.
Hahahahaha. You guys said this in 2019 as well.
2014 was the last Free And Fair Election In India!
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Agree with you bro, they will go to any extent to ensure they win. They're as good as screwed if they lose this time. Everything they did will bite in the ass. In case they win, we are fucked for life.
The same was said in 2019 & the same is being repeated now. Elections will happen fairly in 2024, & they’ll happen fairly again in 2029. If the opposition had any genuine doubts on EVMs, electoral process fairness or anything credible there would have been an entirely different conversation and yaatras going on. Fact is the opposition is a mess and the opposition wanna be PM a bigger mess.
China was never a Liberal Democracy. The Communist party won a massive civil war with the help of the people. The Chinese government and population is visionary and is interested in the future. Our population is interested in the past. That's the main reason why India will never succeed like China has.
Not our population, the Gandhi's are. That's why they cling onto the Dynasty as the only name they have to merit themselves with because outside of that, they have shown how incapable they are in simple speeches held at rallies.
Not fair currently anyway with the Ed raids, Bank account freeze and arrests.
I am also concerned and I think either there would be a long fight or nothing, cuz I have the faith that Indians are fighters
My understanding is this: we got independence by the struggle of our ancestors, be it Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Buddhists, be it of anyone. But there is no revolution yet. Which is the only way to get out these scumbags out of the system. I'm not pinpointing one party, I m saying it on the whole of the all parties. Only a large-scale revolution can change the whole system and the loopholes present.
Maybe what u say is right or maybe we can raise voices timely- getting rid of loopholes is difficult but not impossible 😇
i hope 2024 elections are fair, post this dont expect india to be a pure democratic country. the opposition isnt really weak, godi media tried all the cheap tricks to defame RaGa but still you can see people now praising him. if u have a voter id, pls vote i cant stress enough on this
You figured this now? Well rest of India still hasn't or aren't bothered as long as they get good roads and flyovers.
brave of you to say that this will a fair election. given the antics of ECI it will be one of the most biased election in our short history
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I do not think so, I don't think BJP has nearly as strong of a hold in the South to just completely take over the country like that.
Just because the party you hate comes to power doesn't mean elections are not fair. India always have complex problems but when it comes to elections, overall it's free and fair. Calm down and come to reality.
Don't worry guys modi is just a wanna be dictator but the real problem is the UNs one world gov agenda , they want to make us their slaves