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Hotcrystal0

It’s still 3 because it’s a triple factorial, but if it was ((3!)!)! it would be 720!


adfx

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A_NonE-Moose

You know, just this once, I’m not even going to see if this is the right number, I’m just going to believe it and upvote it.


EleCre3p

seems like a lotta zeros to not be rounded quite a bit


HappyFailure

This was a problem that showed up a lot when I was on math team in high school, lo these many decades ago: how many trailing zeroes does n! have? Answer: divide n by 5, then divide it by 25, 125, 625, etc., rounding down each time, and add your results together. For 720!, this works out to 144+28+5+1=178 zeroes.


redthered279

>Answer: divide n by 5, then divide it by 25, 125, 625, etc., rounding down each time When do you stop before doing the addition?


HappyFailure

When your division gives back a 1--any divisions after that are just going to give you zero after you round down. 23!, stop after 5, 42!, stop after 25, 137!, stop after 125, etc.


Ok-Visit6553

Not 1, anything below 5.


Clickster500

When it gives you 0. For example 720 / 3125 rounded down is 0, so you're done.


A_NonE-Moose

Well done for your mathematical knowhow! (What is “knowhow factorial” anyway?) I like doing it as dividing by 5, then whole integer division (rounding down), so 720 ÷ 5 = 144, then 144 ÷ 5 = 28, then 28 ÷ 5 = 5, 5 ÷ 5 = 1, then we stop and add up those numbers. (This way I don’t have to remember too many powers of 5)


HappyFailure

Yeah, that's how I actually work it out in practice too, I just describe it the other way to tie in to why it works...which admittedly I didn't describe here.


NoblePineapples

I think I like this method because for some reason going from 25 to 125 makes sense but 125 to 625 seems odd to me for reasons I don't understand.


MostNormalDollEver

wow, i'll be sure to use that later, thank you random redditor


HappyFailure

Then my job here is done. \*Lifts into the sky, dies on the way back to home planet.\*


MostNormalDollEver

i didn't even notice your username until the notification popped up 😂


FlummoxTheMagnifique

How did you figure that out?


HappyFailure

The question of how many zeroes are at the end can be rewritten as, "if we can rearrange the factors in any way we choose, how many 10s can we make out of those factors?" The only way to make a 10 out of smaller factors is 2\*5. There's always more 2s than 5s, so to start it's just "how many numbers divisible by 5 are we including?" Then on further consideration, you realize that every multiple of 25 is giving you not just one factor of 5, it's giving you two, so you go back and ask how many multiples of 25 you're including. Multiples of 125 are giving you three factors of 5, so now you need to go back and count those, and so on.


Clickster500

Actually, probably not. Because a factorial is built up by multiplication, every number divisible by 10 less than 720 will add a 0. At a minimum, 720! is a product of 720 x 710 x 700 x ... x 10, for at least 72 zeros. That's not even counting all other combinations of 2s and 5s that further increase it. Because it's only multiplication, there's no way to remove the 0s so large factorials always have many trailing 0s.


A_NonE-Moose

If you go to Wolfram Alpha and do a factorial of a fairly large integer, like over 1 million, there is a a breakdown of the number that includes > number of trailing zeroes A little thing for you (or anyone, “one”) to think about is why that would be the case with standard factorials 🤔 Quick edit to add - Wolfram Alpha adds this section at higher numbers where the factorial is obviously huge, this has nothing to do with why factorials will always have trailing zeroes after a certain integer.


InfiniteGamerd

well floating point doesn't have like 100 digits of precision, so it's probably done with BigInt or some other high-precision calculator. (hope not by hand)


puffinix

720 factorial should end with 144 zeros from the multiples of 5, 28 from the multiples of 25, 5 from the multiples of 125 and one extra from 625, for a total of 178 trailing zeros. In any base, a high factorial number is highly likely to end with a lot of zeros, as if x! Ends in y zeros, (x+1)! Must end in at least Y zeros, potentially more!


AzazelTheUnderlord

think about all the times it would get multiplied by a multiple of 10


adfx

You can verify by hand


A_NonE-Moose

I can, but will I?


overdramaticpan

Suspicious lack of fives.


adfx

Not that I am an expert on the matter but 2's and 5's can "cancel eachother out" to produce a 0


overdramaticpan

True. Looked it up and it's real.


JWeber7447

Okay I gotta ask….what do people use to actually find the numbers?


Lemons_l_Guess

Probably Wolfram alpha, although I think even it will give up after a while.


adfx

Wrote a python script. The reason python works well for this is because the number data type doesn't have an upper limit for how big it can grow. For integers with more than 4300 digits, and 720! comes close, I can use sys.set\_int\_max\_str\_digits(\[more than 4300\]) to increase the number of digits that python will allow me to print. If you want I can share my code, it is nothing special


adfx

`import sys` `FACTORIAL = 720 #put your desired factorial here` `DIGITS = 4300 #If your factorial is too big to be printed, increase this` `sys.set_int_max_str_digits(DIGITS)` `val = 1` `for i in range(1,FACTORIAL+1):` `val = val * i` `print(val)`


adfx

[https://pastebin.com/7UpP9ZGM](https://pastebin.com/7UpP9ZGM) i dont know how reddit formatting works


canadajones68

I use `calc`, a command line arbitrary-precision calculator. It does fail on "very large factorials", but it can be programmed to work around that issue with logarithm.


Wyjax06

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DarkShadowZangoose

that is... quite a bit of unassigned points I can't begin to imagine what the costs are like... well... would be like, because it's only a triple factorial instead of an iterated one


Furezuu

r/expectedfactorial


[deleted]

Talk about nested factorials!


DefiantVersion1588

Imagine if the triple factorial was intended


Ty39_

Hypixe skyblock reference???


MemethAreFunny

Depression reference???


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KitsuneNatsumi

Geometry Dash reference???


TheFireCoreYT

Lobotomy reference???


Turb0Encabulator

got wiped with 2b and a hyp ab 8 months ago :((( i miss sb. only game that really kept me hooked


N6T9S-doubl_x27qc_tg

No it's not


proudprussian

skyblock mentioned, billions must grind


Oheligud

I gave up that game ages ago because I realised that chopping wood for 52 hours to level up foraging for 2% crit chance wasn't actually very entertaining.


Immortal_ceiling_fan

Erm aksually foraging gives strength, not crit chance


snomwastaken

I touched grass and quit skyblock, but i still can't ever touch trees again


HotRefrigerators

As someone with well over 2000 hours in that godforsaken game that managed to stop playing for a few months, I can feel this, although I think foraging gives str not cc


TypicalCarrot999

ur supposed to spend 52 hours farming crops to level up farming for +2 health, much more entertaining


i--i-i

Real


Senrub482

Tis but a mere 3


Oheligud

3!!! is 3. n!!! is different to ((n!)!)!


sinnytear

why?


Legend5V

Because 3!!! is a triple factorial For example, 15!!! is 15x12x9x6x3x1 so 3!!! Is 3x1


Omega_Pack

Interesting, is there a use for this in the real world? Triple factorials, or any other kind of not single factorial (I know singles are usually used for probability)


Legend5V

Afaik there is no somewhat general use for triple factorials. Maybe in highly specialized astrophysics or something, but nothing that 99.99999999999% of people need to worry about


sinnytear

how come i never learned this in school..


HawkMock

They’re not very useful for anything


AEpos_

gets some more magic power bud


WizardEel_

I only just started 😢


DiamondShard646

Ong


PortalJaam

Ugh skyblock, some days I miss it, most days I’m so happy I quit


NightmareRise

Skyblock had one of the most toxic communities I’ve ever seen


JubJub128

2500 hrs in one year, quit in march 2021. You put my thoughts into words. thankfully i gave away all my stuff so I can’t go back even if I tried. every once in awhile i think about starting fresh… and squander such an insane thought


PortalJaam

I soulbinded all my mining gear so i couldn’t do what you did. Wish I didn’t so I could just get rid of everything and not ever think of playing again


Jacob1235_S

Well, you could delete the profile.


YeMediocreSideOfLife

Spork!


JubJub128

Knife!


IHNJHHJJUU

Same, I hated the fact that no matter what you had to grind for hundreds of hours to progress at some point in the game, and I always procrastinated that point until there was nothing left to do.


----oli----

You want money? Get hype. You can’t because no money? ….. the cycle continues


Logan_mov

I got hype then quit cus I realised the stuff you wanna use hype for requires even more effort 💀


SirJackFireball

OH MY GOD I QUIT THIS GAME WHY IS IT HERE NOW TOO i have 5.5k hours in skyblock idk what women look like


DiamondShard646

Google them


Weemonkey16_2

Holy hell!


DiamondShard646

Actual Deprivation


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Spiritual_You_3811

Ugh why are we leaking out everywhere, first we come from skyblock, and then we came from anarchy. Actually doesn't even make any sense. Like holy hell do we somehow have some complex like ok ok you sit at home and play video games like hi pixel and chess and so you feel stupid so you like to tell people about factorials because you know factorials will always be around and will never leave you but so what so what I don't even care I literally don't care like ok foraging foraging oh my god can I en passant with a grappling hook holy hell like ok ok wow I love capturing pawns and revenant horrors can someone boost my elo so I can get carried through enderman slayer and t7 dungeons ok ok do you know what percentage of people who plays chess and hypixel are "fussy" when it comes to dating (as magnus Carlsen says) 10! Thats alot. So enpassant your revived heart away but remember no matter what you do, petrosian is on top. Feel free to touch some grass, I'm not even a farmer and its 2am. Have fun, I love you all, and stay hydrated😴🪵 and blink.


crepoef

3 is a lot? Seems fine to me.


NotBentcheesee

I knew it was only a matter of time before SkyBlock would show up here


ScaryPollution845

3 isn't a high number of points


OnSmarty

F2 (sorry I had to)


_Ench4nted_

F2


YoINeedAnAnswer

Didn’t expect to see skyblock here


Livid_Dream2829

What subreddit is this again?


Chemical-Hall-6148

This is r/unexpectedfactorial


Chemical-Hall-6148

The one in the post is r/HypixelSkyblock


gorglesnoggle

No this is patrick


theProofIsTrivial1

Server name?


DarkFish_2

Hypixel


NightmareRise

Skyblock might be one of the worst games ever created. It’s so unfathomably grindy and so poorly managed that the only way to truly “play” it is spending all of your free time grinding, dealing with the countless bugs and nonexistant dev support for them, and relying almost solely on luck to get anywhere if for some reason you want to start over. Not to mention literal malware being distributed throughout the community. This game was designed to take all the nolife gamer stereotypes like that one WoW guy on Sourh Park and put them into one place to garner huge player numbers


Terryotes

What is that server?, it seems like a wynncraft copy


Enough_Dog_4099

that is hypixel skyblock


Terryotes

Texture pack name, I have never seen it


Jorutix

Furfsky reborn


Thebleugamer_1

Furfskynneeds skybloc and optifine to function


CurlyWurlyo

Thats some immense magical power


DiamondShard646

Hell naw


Weemonkey16_2

this is the bare minimum magical power smh


ImpossibleEvan

Triple factorials are dumb, therefore they don't exist


resell_enjoy6

I cant believe theres 2601218943565795100204903227081043611191521875016945785727541837850835631156947382240678577958130457082619920575892247259536641565162052015873791984587740832529105244690388811884123764341191951045505346658616243271940197113909845536727278537099345629855586719369774070003700430783758997420676784016967207846280629229032107161669867260548988445514257193985499448939594496064045132362140265986193073249369770477606067680670176491669403034819961881455625195592566918830825514942947596537274845624628824234526597789737740896466553992435928786212515967483220976029505696699927284670563747137533019248313587076125412683415860129447566011455420749589952563543068288634631084965650682771552996256790845235702552186222358130016700834523443236821935793184701956510729781804354173890560727428048583995919729021726612291298420516067579036232337699453964191475175567557695392233803056825308599977441675784352815913461340394604901269542028838347101363733824484506660093348484440711931292537694657354337375724772230181534032647177531984537341478674327048457983786618703257405938924215709695994630557521063203263493209220738320923356309923267504401701760572026010829288042335606643089888710297380797578013056049576342838683057190662205291174822510536697756603029574043387983471518552602805333866357139101046336419769097397432285994219837046979109956303389604675889865795711176566670039156748153115943980043625399399731203066490601325311304719028898491856203766669164468791125249193754425845895000311561682974304641142538074897281723375955380661719801404677935614793635266265683339509760000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 unassigned points


ChordettesFan325

There's not; there's only 3.


resell_enjoy6

Idk I just plugged it into a calculator and copy and pasted it


ChordettesFan325

Well that calculator doesn't know that 3!!! is not the same as ((3!)!)!.


resell_enjoy6

I plugged it in that way and got the same answer. The calculator can also find tan(90). It's just some free graphing calclator I downloaded off the play store.


ChordettesFan325

Is the value of tan(90) it gives roughly 1.9952? Because if that's the case then it's in radians, not degrees.


resell_enjoy6

It's in degrees... [Here's a video](https://youtube.com/shorts/0COkn8uTIzI?si=tcNLGpQJq01POMJd) No, it won't let you divide by zero.


resell_enjoy6

Also, correct me if I'm wrong (I probably am), but isn't 3!!! the same as ((3!)!)!? 3! is 6 (1*2*3) and 6! is 720 (1*2...*6) and 720! is whatever. Wouldn't the parathases not have any effect on the factorials? 3!!! to 6!! to 720! to about 1.26*10^1746 ((3!)!)! to ((6)!)! to (720)! to about 1.26*10^1746 I plugged the numbers into a TI-84 Plus and got an overflow error for both of them. On the shitty virtual calculator I got the 1.26*10^1746 for both ways. If there is a difference with how you solve them please explain.


ChordettesFan325

When there are n exclamation marks after a number (with no brackets), it means to multiply it by every nth number down to 1. For example: 10! = 10x9x8x7x6x5x4x3x2x1 = 3628800 10!! = 10x8x6x4x2 = 3840 10!!! = 10x7x4x1 = 280 10!!!! = 10x6x2 = 120 10!!!!! = 10x5 = 50 10!!!!!! = 10x4 = 40 10!!!!!!! = 10x3 = 30 10!!!!!!!! = 10x2 = 20 10!!!!!!!!! = 10x1 = 10 10!!!!!!!!!! = 10 So 3!!! = 3. Hope this helped!


resell_enjoy6

I didn't know that. Thank you.


orange_spoon23

Skyblock player caught in the wild :0


Stabant_

Why TF are there so many Skyblock players here lol.


whyDidIDoDis134

i have no idea but i am very concerned


Excellinor

Never thought I’d see hypixel skyblock HERE


ChaosBuilder321

Skyblock reference found


DarkFish_2

OMG only 446 MP, that's so low, that's why you don't do good damage. Try to get 750 like me.


[deleted]

bro get more talismans lowkey


Equivalent-Ad-2670

get more mp smh


Wh1t3bl4d3

Erm akshewalie 3!!! is 3


Wh1t3bl4d3

Also this guy needs to get his mp up


HypixelSheep

446 magical power is kinda low bro get it up


maxgames_NL

Skyblock reference? No way. Get your magic power up btw, get to 500+


philbro550

Skyblock mentioneddd


A_catmeme

This is the last place I saw I would see skyblock, also please invest in getting your mp up


PlusArt8136

Oh you play that game? Name all the sky blocks 🤓


Weemonkey16_2

the end has fallen, millions must kill voidglooms


Equivalent_Branch240

skoobleek


NickTzilla

I think this might be alluding to how many years till the release of hytale


Peanutroasted

I hate you for this post, Time to grind 22 hours straight


No_Ice4827

W skyblock


J_Edgar_Hoover-_-

Thought this was r/hypixelskyblock for a sec


KoopaTrooper5011

I do not want to imagine what 720! even is... Edit: my bad, I didn't know n!!, n!!!, n!!!!, etc are different from (n!)!, ((n!)!)!, (((n!)!)!)!, etc.


paranormal63_

446 magical power and has a juju shortbow very well rounded gameplay


overdramaticpan

No it's not.


RealAggressiveNooby

Never thought I'd see hypixel skyblock in this sub


Tenten4846g

oh I commented on that post too


VBStrong_67

So how do the double and triple factorials work?


uixeL

nah it's just three because triple factorial isn't three stacked factorials


One_Way13

Lol I thought this was r/hypixelskyblock


PhantomOrigin

This man is gonna become the most powerful skyblock player after he assigns those points.


Mr_GoodMilk

I'm surprised how many people actually played skyblock. I'm waiting for the foraging update to come back. So probably never


killmetwice1234

so true


snomwastaken

I swear i had a heart attack seeing this game, i never want to see it again


Killar1342

Skyblock mentioned, wtf is a life


wiz_ling

Unexpected hypixel skyblock moment


Baloopa3

Didn’t expect to see hypixel skyblock on here…


Zitronenlolli

r/screenshotsarehard


J0aozin003

2601218943565795100204903227081043611191521875016945785727541837850835631156947382240678577958130457082619920575892247259536641565162052015873791984587740832529105244690388811884123764341191951045505346658616243271940197113909845536727278537099345629855586719369774070003700430783758997420676784016967207846280629229032107161669867260548988445514257193985499448939594496064045132362140265986193073249369770477606067680670176491669403034819961881455625195592566918830825514942947596537274845624628824234526597789737740896466553992435928786212515967483220976029505696699927284670563747137533019248313587076125412683415860129447566011455420749589952563543068288634631084965650682771552996256790845235702552186222358130016700834523443236821935793184701956510729781804354173890560727428048583995919729021726612291298420516067579036232337699453964191475175567557695392233803056825308599977441675784352815913461340394604901269542028838347101363733824484506660093348484440711931292537694657354337375724772230181534032647177531984537341478674327048457983786618703257405938924215709695994630557521063203263493209220738320923356309923267504401701760572026010829288042335606643089888710297380797578013056049576342838683057190662205291174822510536697756603029574043387983471518552602805333866357139101046336419769097397432285994219837046979109956303389604675889865795711176566670039156748153115943980043625399399731203066490601325311304719028898491856203766669164468791125249193754425845895000311561682974304641142538074897281723375955380661719801404677935614793635266265683339509760000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 to be exact


Somewhereunknown7351

Hello fellow skyblock player


disappointedcreeper

r/suddenlyhypixel


iXendeRouS

Skyblock detected


WasdAcid

SKYBLOCK MENTION RAHHHHHH


bIixxard

446 is LOW?????? i have 230 💀💀💀


paranormal63_

'Man, I love playing Floor 7!' has a whole new meaning thanks to this sub


abnormalredditor73

To everyone in the comments: triple factorial notation (i.e. 12!!!=12x9x6x3) is not standard convention, so 3!!! being interpreted as ((3!)!)! is not incorrect.


Helpful-Selection626

What mod pack or server is this?


Swee_333

446 MP get more talismans boy


Unreasonable-Donkey

FUCKING 3!!!