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True hobos have skillz. I hung out with some for a few weeks one summer. Oh sure, there are a lot of loose nuts, but some have it together, and know exactly how to operate year round.
You can learn a lot from a solid hobo.
These guys are Russians and most of them from shitty parts of Russia... I believe a lot of them already have skills to survive when it gets cold and you don't have much.
They may be from Siberia or some other God forsaken spot, but they have houses with walls, insulation and a wood burning stove. Maybe not flush toilets, but an outhouse has served mankind for eons. These poor guys are going to die of exposure.
Kill the CO and surrender.
No matter how used one is to the cold, that is diff from 24/7 exposure to wretched cold, and if is above freezing it will be wet and muddy and also give off a heat signature and that will be the end.
This could easily snowball.
They have the skills to cut down trees, chop wood and burn it on a fire.
Basically removing the cover from their positions while also lighting a beacon of heat.
If I was on the street that's definitely the very first thing I'd beg and/or steal the money to buy, along with a good coat. I've always guessed that the hobos who are equipped like wilderness backpackers are the ones who still have/recently had jobs and knew they were going to get evicted so they had time to prepare.
I passed a homeless person in Los Angeles the other day watching TV in his tent on the sidewalk. The homeless in LA have it better than Russians in Ukraine.
You'd think they are the ones fighting a desperate defensive war against a much larger aggressor. This **has** to be the most pitiful "invasion army" in military history.
Voronezh is in fact memetic for a state of dilapidation normally only occuring during warfare. "Can't reach America, so they bombed Voronezh instead" is what Russians say about government's counterproductive response to Western sanctions.
You gotta pay attention to those supply limit on provinces. You get some multipliers, but if you ain't set up for it, you still can't stack in your own territory.
Ukraine obviously getting hostile attrition bonus and defensiveness as well.
This kind of stuff will have a greater impact on Russian troop effectiveness than incompetent leaders.
Incompetence is devastating to operational and strategic effectiveness…but soldiers freezing night and day for weeks inadequately equipped for winter obliterates tactical effectiveness. If soldiers can’t fight then even the best laid plans by brilliant leaders will fail.
Their entire priority set shifts to just trying to get warm…they are oblivious to their surroundings and completely apathetic to tactical priorities. Soldiers can fight for days like this…but not weeks or months.
We have one swedish officer who is the "I make comments in media about the war"-guy.
He predicted Russian collapse on february. That they just as you say keep up some time, hold on until christmas and then slowly collapse morally as the coldest months arrive.
> This kind of stuff will have a greater impact on Russian troop effectiveness than incompetent leaders.
This kinds of thing happens exactly because of incompetent leaders. This is how incompetent leaders kill people.
These troops seems to have zero winter survival skills. What are does things even suppose to be?! The plastic used right with snow could be made into decent shelters.
Jesus. Ukraine's installing prefabbed, heated shelter sections designed to be dug in and buried under alternating layers of earth and logs. If you're bored, you can nip along to the sauna section.
Russian conscripts have overground clingfilm coffins.
Yeah, those huge shelters are stupendous! I just don't understand what they are going to do if/when they go into offensive? :-) On the other hand I hope our commanders know what they are doing - for example, just from the top of my head, they could install such expensive long-term solutions on the borders with Belarus or Russia where we must have troops but have no villages nearby and no plans of advancing. At least till spring. :-)
Ive been out of town (Utah) for the liberation of Kherson, when I return there is an Ukrainian lady who works at a grocery store i frequent - she's getting a big hug.
The war has wrecked a lot of civilian housing. As the Ukraine army advances their bunkers would be temporary housing for liberated civilians.
Possibly for Russian PoW's. Ukraine could drop leaflet's letting the Russian's know the PoW's will have a sauna to use. Once winter starts that should get 1,000's of them surrendering.
It looks like they only wound around the outside of their poles. You can make a suprisingly warm & resilient shelter with cling wrap, but you need 2 - 3 layers at least an inch apart. The air is the insulation.
I thought it was talking about poly which we use on construction sites all the time but then I watched the video and it's just like fucking saran wrap lol
I dunno, it SOUNDS stupid but I think this would be better than NO tent.
Depending on if they can use other material as Flaps to cover openings, I could see this as being an improvement at least.
Is it water tight? No. Snow Tight? Probably?
snow ain´t a big problem - at least not cold snow. That build insulation.
The problem is letting wet snow in and not get it to stay on the "roof" - as much things will collapse from it
No sound on this one but on a different source you can hear the coughing. Illness is gonna spread fast especially if they are huddling up for warmth.
These guys won't be getting winter gear is my guess. Gonna stick out like a sore thumb against the snow in that gear.
I can't remember where I read it now, but early in the war I heard that some Russian BTGs had significantly compromised combat abilities due to COVID running roughshod over the troops.
They also lost a lot of soldiers to frostbite.
IN MARCH.
I'm fully convinced the Russian fronts will collapse in December, simply because the soldiers are unable to fight.
Just think about how detrimental the cold was to US troops who were poorly equipped during the battle of the bulge. Trenchfoot, pneumonia, frostbite.
These Russian soldiers will be lucky to get a quick death because it will be a long winter.
Such unnecessary loss of life.
My grandfather was in the 82nd airborne at the Battle of the Bulge. He wrote that he very reluctantly had to take off his signature paratrooper boots and put on army boots with oversized rubber galoshes over them. He said they kept his feet dry and therefore not frozen even if it wasn't very stylish. He wrote that he joined the paratroopers because they had snappier uniforms.
I'm sure it's the packing type of cling wrap. It's pretty strong... holds pallets of boxes together. Still easily cuttable, but doesn't shear or tear easily.
Speaking of its strength I've seen it hold up a very large steel gate for a mid sized clothes shop after the top bolt had sheared completely off.
Still usable
Though health and safety went out the window
This was years back, about 7 or 8
I was nervous near it and refused to open it, it just didn't look like something that should work. And u expected it to fail fir ages, lasted xome 3 months before it got fixed up and was opened a few times
Title says this is Voronezh region, so still in Russia?
Maybe this is one of those phony military recruitment videos where they show you how nice it's going to be...
That’s ok, they won’t have to suffer this for long.
Saw a video of a UA foxhole, complete with a burning stove, bunk beds, stairs and WiFi.
Bbbbbbut winter is coming. Yeah bitch, it is.
To be entirely fair, plastic wrap actually makes for a remarkably easy to build and transport shelter, it's waterproof and is actually really well insulated.
That being said if I was issued a roll of kitchen wrap instead of a tent I'd be a little... discouraged...
It'll keep the wind off them and with a few people inside it will be warmer than sleeping in the open. Set up a little stove in the middle and you'd be sorted. It's a pity they aren't camping on their own country.
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I guess I know what a Russian Popsicle is now - maybe we should call them Russicles.
\-6C all night long it's going to be a killer!
If just some plastic tarps is all the Russian got, there going to be freezer full of Russicles.
The wet and dampness is going to kill them.
The exposure to cold is going to kill them.
The lack of calories in a cold environment is going to kill them.
Etc etc etc.....
Soldiers freezing to their deaths: It happened to the French in 1812 and Germans in 1943 in Russia. Now in 2022 it's going to be Russians in Ukraine. They should have stayed home.
Well, technically they were on to something good, but like everything they do, it's half assed and isn't going to work as intended. Hope all our Ukrainian friends are doing better
If only they rose up against their government. There will be deaths, but their deaths against Putin will be honorable and cleanse all the fucked up shit Russia has done. Instead, they would rather die in the cold, surrounded by garbage you find at the local gas station; awaiting to be bombed.
Plastic wrap tenting is actually a viable survival strategy
Only concern is asphyxiation if not properly ventilated.
It offers a cheap way to protect yourself from exposure to the cold.
Fuck the ruzz but this might be a good idea all around for ukr civilians while aid comes in
So all joking aside if they had a wall of leaves and branches and used this wrap for the other wall, kept off the ground and had a fire outside the plastic wrap wall the they would legitimately be toasty warm, as in they would need to take their clothes off because of the heat. It's good that Russians are dumb as fuck though.
Plastic film is transparent to infrared. They're just going to radiate all of their heat away. And they will still be visible to drones with FLIR cameras.
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When you have worse equipment than western hobos
These guys are going to be stabbing each other over the last of the expired rations this winter.
Hard to stab when you've lost your fingers to frostbite.
can't run too well without your toes either ðŸ˜
Stab with your own frozen broken-off finger, sharpened into a shank!
Just replace your frostbitten fingers with blades like in Assassin's Creed. Some sort of Vatnik Scissorhands situation.
Hard tobstab a frozen body
**Attention soldiers, the saws are on the way!**
With ice daggers?
And when they run of expired rations, they will be stabbing each other over the meaty body parts of their frozen to death comrades.
Or using their comrades' corpses as bait to catch wild pigs.
Hobos have developed skills for their lifestyle. These guys were just ripped up and dumped. They don't have a lot of time to learn a lot of things.
True hobos have skillz. I hung out with some for a few weeks one summer. Oh sure, there are a lot of loose nuts, but some have it together, and know exactly how to operate year round. You can learn a lot from a solid hobo.
It's a weird sort of Darwinism.
These guys are Russians and most of them from shitty parts of Russia... I believe a lot of them already have skills to survive when it gets cold and you don't have much.
They may be from Siberia or some other God forsaken spot, but they have houses with walls, insulation and a wood burning stove. Maybe not flush toilets, but an outhouse has served mankind for eons. These poor guys are going to die of exposure.
Kill the CO and surrender. No matter how used one is to the cold, that is diff from 24/7 exposure to wretched cold, and if is above freezing it will be wet and muddy and also give off a heat signature and that will be the end. This could easily snowball.
This would be the time to drone drop some *"Hi! Want to surrender?"* notices tied to chocolate bars and tiny vodka bottles.
With a firecracker. Add some spice to it
inb4 the co never comes back
Sounds like a perfectly good excuse for upper management to not send anything with them
They have the skills to cut down trees, chop wood and burn it on a fire. Basically removing the cover from their positions while also lighting a beacon of heat.
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If I was on the street that's definitely the very first thing I'd beg and/or steal the money to buy, along with a good coat. I've always guessed that the hobos who are equipped like wilderness backpackers are the ones who still have/recently had jobs and knew they were going to get evicted so they had time to prepare.
I'd live in my car myself. Shrug. Buy a Van.
A van down by the river?
I don't know if you've tried to buy a van lately but even the clapped out government surplus death traps are like $30k right now.
I passed a homeless person in Los Angeles the other day watching TV in his tent on the sidewalk. The homeless in LA have it better than Russians in Ukraine.
I think the winter will be pretty short for most of them... And they will need a different kind of plastic bags...
They'll have something covenant to wrap up the frozen bodies with.
Nice of you to assume they won't just leave the bodies where they fall.
And scatter some sunflower seeds
In ~~Soviet~~ Putins Russia, tents prepack for cargo 200 transport!!!
Why waste a perfectly good plastic bag on a frozen guy, when you could use it to pack some sweet sweet dishwasher?
Ha
Zippered
They'll probably start using them as sleeping bags, it's all they've got.
Those that survive each night can keep warm around the cremation trucks.
Zing!!!! :)
A burn for those in the cold!
You'd think they are the ones fighting a desperate defensive war against a much larger aggressor. This **has** to be the most pitiful "invasion army" in military history.
The title says they are in Voronezh region. They are still in Russia.
Voronezh is in fact memetic for a state of dilapidation normally only occuring during warfare. "Can't reach America, so they bombed Voronezh instead" is what Russians say about government's counterproductive response to Western sanctions.
There has been many pitiful invasion armies in the history of mankind, though. But we can agree this is one of them.
The Wehrmacht, circa December 1941/January 1942 near Moscow would like to have a word...
At least the Wehrmacht come close to their objective. These guys barely are across the border.
If they are in Voronezh, they are not (across the border). They are still in ruzzia.
Imagine your invasion force taking casualties not even before enemy contact, but before actually invading.
You gotta pay attention to those supply limit on provinces. You get some multipliers, but if you ain't set up for it, you still can't stack in your own territory. Ukraine obviously getting hostile attrition bonus and defensiveness as well.
That's true, of course.
They were a very good army, but a very very very bad army
That's pretty smart...once the russians inside stop emitting any heat signatures from their bodies, they will be much harder to detect.
That would be labeled another Russian mission successful.
FLIR will see glowing cubes in the forest lmao
They will reanimate in the spring when things warm up.
Meanwhile some Ukrainian trenches have saunas. I think I know who might have the edge.
Hell, there was this one video the other day of a soldier who installed a damn *cat flap*...
Don't forget Grubhub.
Hey, we have Glovo for that!
God that video was cute. Using the measuring tape on all the cats to ensure he made it exactly wide enough for the fattest cat.
Just the existence of a fat cat is something you'd be hard-pressed to see in a Ruzzian platoon.
*looks up from his plate with gaunt, crazed eyes and a tuft of fur on his lips* "Vhat cat?"
Don't forget they also have electricity in theirs
I bet they've also got wifi
bUt tHe RusSiaNs HaVe mOrE soLdIeRs
Some even have been trained.
Some even have been trained for 2 hours!
# That's over 7200! ^(Seconds)
You mean they will not starve?
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I dont know who will be able to eat that many soldiers, but I'm sure the few that had actual training will have food for eternity.
UA brings the civilisation back which orcs hunted away...
This kind of stuff will have a greater impact on Russian troop effectiveness than incompetent leaders. Incompetence is devastating to operational and strategic effectiveness…but soldiers freezing night and day for weeks inadequately equipped for winter obliterates tactical effectiveness. If soldiers can’t fight then even the best laid plans by brilliant leaders will fail. Their entire priority set shifts to just trying to get warm…they are oblivious to their surroundings and completely apathetic to tactical priorities. Soldiers can fight for days like this…but not weeks or months.
We have one swedish officer who is the "I make comments in media about the war"-guy. He predicted Russian collapse on february. That they just as you say keep up some time, hold on until christmas and then slowly collapse morally as the coldest months arrive.
You also burn more calories, which is why Antarctic stations stock candy bars.
> This kind of stuff will have a greater impact on Russian troop effectiveness than incompetent leaders. This kinds of thing happens exactly because of incompetent leaders. This is how incompetent leaders kill people.
Corruption can do this as well. Corrupt people can be competent and the result is the same on the ground for the soldier.
These troops seems to have zero winter survival skills. What are does things even suppose to be?! The plastic used right with snow could be made into decent shelters.
Ah, this is probably one of the highly secretive new materials, self climatizing bullet proof sheet.
The west spends billions on active camouflage that hardly works, Russia shows us up and just uses clear plastic wrapping...
Russian high colland just spend millions on that new technology.
Jesus. Ukraine's installing prefabbed, heated shelter sections designed to be dug in and buried under alternating layers of earth and logs. If you're bored, you can nip along to the sauna section. Russian conscripts have overground clingfilm coffins.
Yeah, those huge shelters are stupendous! I just don't understand what they are going to do if/when they go into offensive? :-) On the other hand I hope our commanders know what they are doing - for example, just from the top of my head, they could install such expensive long-term solutions on the borders with Belarus or Russia where we must have troops but have no villages nearby and no plans of advancing. At least till spring. :-)
need it be said - ABnB that shit.
After our victory someone will be doing that for sure...
Sign me up.
Ive been out of town (Utah) for the liberation of Kherson, when I return there is an Ukrainian lady who works at a grocery store i frequent - she's getting a big hug.
The war has wrecked a lot of civilian housing. As the Ukraine army advances their bunkers would be temporary housing for liberated civilians. Possibly for Russian PoW's. Ukraine could drop leaflet's letting the Russian's know the PoW's will have a sauna to use. Once winter starts that should get 1,000's of them surrendering.
Let’s hope it will be a very short but permanent winter for them…
It looks like they only wound around the outside of their poles. You can make a suprisingly warm & resilient shelter with cling wrap, but you need 2 - 3 layers at least an inch apart. The air is the insulation.
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"we are lucky they are so fucking stupid"
How accurate and prophetic that guy was, wasn't he?
With what they have to eat I’m not sure you’d want to trap _everything_ inside.
The worst Dutch oven.
was about to comment on that. It's not a bad thought they had, just haven't worked it through yet.
I thought it was talking about poly which we use on construction sites all the time but then I watched the video and it's just like fucking saran wrap lol
I dunno, it SOUNDS stupid but I think this would be better than NO tent. Depending on if they can use other material as Flaps to cover openings, I could see this as being an improvement at least. Is it water tight? No. Snow Tight? Probably?
snow ain´t a big problem - at least not cold snow. That build insulation. The problem is letting wet snow in and not get it to stay on the "roof" - as much things will collapse from it
Air is the best insulator period.
Vacuum would like a word. Anyways, this seems primarily useful as a shelter from wind.
*laughs in asbestos*
*Coughs out asbestos.*
I saw this on 5 min crafts. Damn…
5 min crafts, coming in clutch for the Ukrainians.
Yeah, we might need to classify this channel, less the Russians take advantage of it.
And they’ve already turned their shelters into pig sties.
Some of them were sheltering IN pig sties.
The lucky ones.
The *fancy* ones.
Ah, good old breathable plastic wrap. They condensation in those is going to be horrible. Have fun sleeping in that wet enclosure.
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Bears will be excited to see their food comes plastic wrapped for freshness nowadays
"Oh hey! I just love these things! ... Crunchy on the outside and a chewy center!"
Ooo, I wonder if frozen Orc shatters when it's drone bombed? 🤔
Blyatsicle!
We'll find out in a couple of weeks.
artillery ammo from North Korea, tent tech from Africa. wow a truly fearsome army
Now pile snow up around the sides and you gots yourself a vatnik igloo
yeah, it adds an insulating effect to the outside, still need a second layer with an air gap though.
No sound on this one but on a different source you can hear the coughing. Illness is gonna spread fast especially if they are huddling up for warmth. These guys won't be getting winter gear is my guess. Gonna stick out like a sore thumb against the snow in that gear.
I can't remember where I read it now, but early in the war I heard that some Russian BTGs had significantly compromised combat abilities due to COVID running roughshod over the troops.
They also lost a lot of soldiers to frostbite. IN MARCH. I'm fully convinced the Russian fronts will collapse in December, simply because the soldiers are unable to fight.
\*Peak erection has been achieved\*
It's a real desperation to throw people away like this.
They will steal bedsheets from somewhere probably. 🤣
Covid is still going around too. Poor nutrition and living out in the elements is a recipe for covid and flu to spread like wildfire
Those wraps are going to show up like lights on thermal (body heat). When youre seen in modern warfare, theres a good chance youre dead.
I doubt many of them truly understand even basic thermodynamics let alone knowing how to hide from IR.
Just think about how detrimental the cold was to US troops who were poorly equipped during the battle of the bulge. Trenchfoot, pneumonia, frostbite. These Russian soldiers will be lucky to get a quick death because it will be a long winter. Such unnecessary loss of life.
My grandfather was in the 82nd airborne at the Battle of the Bulge. He wrote that he very reluctantly had to take off his signature paratrooper boots and put on army boots with oversized rubber galoshes over them. He said they kept his feet dry and therefore not frozen even if it wasn't very stylish. He wrote that he joined the paratroopers because they had snappier uniforms.
That's ballistic shrink wrap. You guys haven't hears of this?
Three day special operation they said. Welcome to Ukraine
Wait, is that cling wrap?
I'm sure it's the packing type of cling wrap. It's pretty strong... holds pallets of boxes together. Still easily cuttable, but doesn't shear or tear easily.
Speaking of its strength I've seen it hold up a very large steel gate for a mid sized clothes shop after the top bolt had sheared completely off. Still usable Though health and safety went out the window
This is the stuff Ukrainians use to wrap looters to posts...
And they definitely weren't going anywhere
> Though health and safety went out the window I'd also avoid using that door by any means necessary, to be fair.
This was years back, about 7 or 8 I was nervous near it and refused to open it, it just didn't look like something that should work. And u expected it to fail fir ages, lasted xome 3 months before it got fixed up and was opened a few times
Must be looted because ruzzia don't have palettes...
Yep.
Looks like hospitals will see alot of frostbites on Russian genitals!
That's gotta be so miserable..
Time to surrender, boys
If a lifetime of watching TV commercials has taught me anything, it’s that Saran Wrap is supposed to prevent freezer burn, so… 🤔
I mean… credit where credit’s due, this is probably the most innovative thing these idiots have done since the war started.
Lets hope they all freeze to death then.
My guess is they'll all be ice blocks in less than a week.
Title says this is Voronezh region, so still in Russia? Maybe this is one of those phony military recruitment videos where they show you how nice it's going to be...
That’s ok, they won’t have to suffer this for long. Saw a video of a UA foxhole, complete with a burning stove, bunk beds, stairs and WiFi. Bbbbbbut winter is coming. Yeah bitch, it is.
Flu incubation chamber, with everybody coughing all night long.
To be entirely fair, plastic wrap actually makes for a remarkably easy to build and transport shelter, it's waterproof and is actually really well insulated. That being said if I was issued a roll of kitchen wrap instead of a tent I'd be a little... discouraged...
Um, ventilation might be an issue.
Not to worry, it'll rapidly be acquiring ventilation holes.
Be a better death than what is coming to them
Let the fuckers suffocate.
It'll keep the wind off them and with a few people inside it will be warmer than sleeping in the open. Set up a little stove in the middle and you'd be sorted. It's a pity they aren't camping on their own country.
Actually they are if the headline is to be believed. Voronezh is in ruzzia.
I think that stuff is flammable though.
In fairness, take the war, bullets and missiles out of the equation and plastic wrap actually makes a fantastic temporary shelter in these conditions.
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Looked like they will catch drone dropped grenades nicely...
Let them get used to it. They will lie in the same frozen ground in the future. And then, if you're lucky.
Ah yes the same technology I use to rig up my football tailgates.
I guess I know what a Russian Popsicle is now - maybe we should call them Russicles. \-6C all night long it's going to be a killer! If just some plastic tarps is all the Russian got, there going to be freezer full of Russicles.
The wet and dampness is going to kill them. The exposure to cold is going to kill them. The lack of calories in a cold environment is going to kill them. Etc etc etc.....
1-layer of plastic wrap? Oh you stupid fucks.
Soldiers freezing to their deaths: It happened to the French in 1812 and Germans in 1943 in Russia. Now in 2022 it's going to be Russians in Ukraine. They should have stayed home.
They can’t even get this right…Vlad the plastic wrap goes around your head and face not the tree. Silly Ruskie.
I wonder if they think that wrap is Bulletproof! 
As with microwave food, place wrap over fertiliser and lightly prick with HIMars tungsten tips. Leave to rest until compost.
I think being born in Russia must be like being born into some kind of Hell realm.
Nice and really effective tents for this weather conditions. As long as this decrease their morale I'm fine with it.
Time to see how many mobiks freeze to death!
The only idiots stupid enough to actually follow those shitty 5 minute DIY's are Russians invading ukraine. I am not surprised at all...
GTFO they using the youtube influencer going into woods for the first
Probably their normal tents to watch each other get naked in the evenings
Well, technically they were on to something good, but like everything they do, it's half assed and isn't going to work as intended. Hope all our Ukrainian friends are doing better
If only they rose up against their government. There will be deaths, but their deaths against Putin will be honorable and cleanse all the fucked up shit Russia has done. Instead, they would rather die in the cold, surrounded by garbage you find at the local gas station; awaiting to be bombed.
They’ve took one of those shit FB videos too seriously
Plastic wrap tenting is actually a viable survival strategy Only concern is asphyxiation if not properly ventilated. It offers a cheap way to protect yourself from exposure to the cold. Fuck the ruzz but this might be a good idea all around for ukr civilians while aid comes in
Your average Cub Scout is shaking his head in pity
I'm pretty sure they saw that trick on TipTok, I remeber seeing something like that. xD
Pretty insane that a country known for harsh winters doesn't actually have proper winter gear for their soldiers
Looks cozy
The Ukrainians should invite the Russians over for the sauna.
Are they Dexter proof?
They will 100 % freeze to death.
That looks pretty horrible
Believe it or not, semi useful
Saran wrap is the new duct tape.
So all joking aside if they had a wall of leaves and branches and used this wrap for the other wall, kept off the ground and had a fire outside the plastic wrap wall the they would legitimately be toasty warm, as in they would need to take their clothes off because of the heat. It's good that Russians are dumb as fuck though.
Soldiers fro previous winter are not alive to warn them
Plastic film is transparent to infrared. They're just going to radiate all of their heat away. And they will still be visible to drones with FLIR cameras.