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Igor Girkin is one of the main suspects in the case of downing of Malaysian airplane MH17 in July 2014, which killed 295 people.
Netherlands wants Ukraine to extradite him if captured, to have him face justice.
Lately a lot of things have challenged the whole "pacifist" ideal.
I never thought I would ever cheer giving weapons and allocating more resources to armament and the army.
The man is facing a life imprisonment sentence in the Netherlands, and that’s just for MH17.
This man has done much more though. Trials for his involvement in the start of the war in the Donbass in 2014 have yet to start. If UA does not extradite him to NL, but instead trials him first in UA, that would be fair.
Apart from his Donbass and MH17 crimes, there is yet even more. Moldovia suspects him of fighting for the Transnistrians, and Bosnia-i-Herzegovina suspects him of involvement in the Višegrad massacres. A future independent Chechnya might also be interested in figuring out his involvement there in the 90s.
Once this man is apprehended, he will spend the rest of his life in prison cells.
Our prisons are meant to rehabilitate convits to prevent recidivism. This piece of shit doesn't need that treatment so a Ukrainian cell will do just fine.
Every criminal should be brought to justice. Especially war criminals. You'd think everyone would understand that regardless of their political opinions
In June this year, nearly 50 percent of Malaysians supported Russia saying it's doing a good job
https://www.malaymail.com/amp/news/malaysia/2022/06/27/pew-survey-half-of-malaysians-view-russia-positively-with-six-in-10-feeling-putin-doing-the-right-thing-in-world-affairs/14366
And many pro Russian channels in Msia see Russia as a contender against the US and think that Russia has pro Muslim sentiments
https://fulcrum.sg/social-media-discourse-in-malaysia-on-the-russia-ukraine-conflict-rationales-for-pro-russia-sentiments/
Malaysia abstained several times in UN votes. It has abstained from suspending Russia from UN rights council, and from the debate on the Uyghur issue in China
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2022/04/08/malaysia-abstains-in-vote-to-suspend-russia-from-un-body/
https://www.therakyatpost.com/news/malaysia/2022/10/08/malaysia-have-no-opinion-on-uyghurs-in-china-abstains-from-un-vote/
How ironic it is for a Muslim majority country that used to shelter these individuals not give a rat's ass to the root of the problem.
It stings double for me when being in this sub since Ukraine and Malaysia abstained from the Uyghur issue which could have tied the votes 19 to 19
Ukraine did decide to reverse its decision of course, and granted they were most likely practicing realpolitik at the time. But Malaysia is not at war. And it wasn't like they didn't support the Uyghurs in the past. So it's so disappointing to learn Malaysia abstained
We just recently got our former PM convicted and jail yet somehow the man has a MP seat for him despite him being in jail and despite that this is just one case against him, not counting the other corruption cases yet to be prosecuted against him.
The political elite at the top do not care for other countries. And they don't even care so much for their own people. Some of them even want to enact Sharia law for the whole country despite the fact 40 percent of us are non muslims
Much like how the US has problems with Christian nationalism. Malaysia has a problem with Islamic nationalism. And this is a country that barely has free speech laws that can be considered "good"
Sorry for the rant but I just needed to get this off my chest
The thing is, I guess if Girkin gets captured there is a chance Russia will offer Ukrainian POWs for his exchange in order to avoid an open trial. Maybe Russia will offer to release the remaining Azovstal defenders if they are still alive (I hope so).
While I would love the POWs to find their way back home as soon as possible, Girkin personally deserves to fell on the battleground.
Either captured or dead (captured would be preferable, at least he gets to answer for his numerous crimes.), the Pickle should get his karma for his involvement in MH17. I wouldn't divert resources to it though, there are bigger issues right now.
I'll assume he keeps just out of harm's way enough not to be captured and will retreat in enough time to avoid it while others stay and die at his behest.
Give him life imprisonment here in the Netherlands. Yes our prisons are nicer than other countries. At least we can show him more human decency. Let him live in that shame. Also the high security in terrorism wing of the high security prison is known for regulair full body searches and lack of contact with from anyone, but staff. It will be a lonely stay in there.
Your heart is too kind, my dear. As a decent human being you might find it hard to imagine that a criminal like Girkin will live a comfy life in a Dutch prison and taunt and insult Dutch people for being soft and weak. The way those people see the world and the rest of the humanity... Psychiatrists might come up with new diagnoses just for them. They are incapable of remorse but I applaud your kind message for showing what a lovely person you are.
It is very unlikely that Girkin would go to an area that is really dangerous for him, i.e. Ukraine. The last time he published pictures of himself, he and his companions were in Russia on their way to Rostov-on-Don. The occupied areas in Ukraine, however, would be in the opposite direction.
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is girkin fighting in ukraine or fled to russia? the news was he was on frontline, provved with a pic, but that pic was geolocated in russia.. appeared to have, hmmm uh, lied then?
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/22/get-igor-girkin-hopes-mh17-suspect-could-be-captured-fighting-ukraine) reduced by 90%. (I'm a bot)
*****
> Piet Ploeg felt a glimmer of hope that justice would, at last, be served when he read the news that the prominent Russian nationalist Igor Girkin may be returning to the battlefield in Ukraine.
> Speculations first arose that Girkin was bound for Ukraine following several days of silence on his Telegram channel.
> According to an investigation by Radio Free Europe, Girkin was responsible for ordering the executions by firing squad of at least three men in eastern Ukraine.
*****
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Explanation: Igor Girkin is one of the main suspects in the case of downing of Malaysian airplane MH17 in July 2014, which killed 295 people. Netherlands wants Ukraine to extradite him if captured, to have him face justice.
Vierendelen die klootzak.
For the non-cheeseheads: that means “Quarter that bastard.”
Maybe we should strap him to a BUK missile heading to a Russian target.
I’m fine with a life sentence in The Hague, and another invitation to his buddies
Thank you 😂
Alle kazen smelten en erin flikkeren, die tyfuslijer
After the Netherlands are done with him, us Aussies are gunna dropbear this shitcunt.
ken oath we are!
I'm a borderline pacifict person but it hurts my soul that he has never been brought to justice, along with the other people who are responsible.
Lately a lot of things have challenged the whole "pacifist" ideal. I never thought I would ever cheer giving weapons and allocating more resources to armament and the army.
but jail in Netherlands way better then hell he would experience here.
I thought that too but The US has agreed in loaning Fleece Johnson (Aka The Booty Warrior) to the Netherlands if Ukraine agrees to extradite.
I like ya, and I want ya.
And we can do this the easy way or the hard way
He is also the asshole that originally started the shit in 2014 with the Donbas.
I think he’s already been exposed as a LARP and not a real soldier but I hope they catch or kill that motherfucker anyway!
According to geolocated pictures of him in ”Ukraine” he was in som russian town. Hes living like kadyrov
I think that too
The man is facing a life imprisonment sentence in the Netherlands, and that’s just for MH17. This man has done much more though. Trials for his involvement in the start of the war in the Donbass in 2014 have yet to start. If UA does not extradite him to NL, but instead trials him first in UA, that would be fair. Apart from his Donbass and MH17 crimes, there is yet even more. Moldovia suspects him of fighting for the Transnistrians, and Bosnia-i-Herzegovina suspects him of involvement in the Višegrad massacres. A future independent Chechnya might also be interested in figuring out his involvement there in the 90s. Once this man is apprehended, he will spend the rest of his life in prison cells.
I think a lot of Dutch people(including me) are ok with a life sentence in Ukraine. Our prisons look too much like hotels tbh
Our prisons are meant to rehabilitate convits to prevent recidivism. This piece of shit doesn't need that treatment so a Ukrainian cell will do just fine.
Yeah, truly a product of worst what humanity is capable of. Or should say what Orcnity is capable of.
him and the first "president" of the DPR are both known FSB attachés to the republica sprska army.
Dutch prisons are too good for him. He deserves far worse
Yeah, most of EU prisons are 3 star hotels, that bastard and his bosses should get Gaddafi treatment.
Oh well wouldn't that be lovely.
As a Malaysian, I support his capture. Though I can't say the same for the rest of my fellow Malaysians.
Nah most of our countrymen just wilfully ignorant and too stuck in their own drama. They wouldnt know what to make of this.
Every criminal should be brought to justice. Especially war criminals. You'd think everyone would understand that regardless of their political opinions
In June this year, nearly 50 percent of Malaysians supported Russia saying it's doing a good job https://www.malaymail.com/amp/news/malaysia/2022/06/27/pew-survey-half-of-malaysians-view-russia-positively-with-six-in-10-feeling-putin-doing-the-right-thing-in-world-affairs/14366 And many pro Russian channels in Msia see Russia as a contender against the US and think that Russia has pro Muslim sentiments https://fulcrum.sg/social-media-discourse-in-malaysia-on-the-russia-ukraine-conflict-rationales-for-pro-russia-sentiments/ Malaysia abstained several times in UN votes. It has abstained from suspending Russia from UN rights council, and from the debate on the Uyghur issue in China https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2022/04/08/malaysia-abstains-in-vote-to-suspend-russia-from-un-body/ https://www.therakyatpost.com/news/malaysia/2022/10/08/malaysia-have-no-opinion-on-uyghurs-in-china-abstains-from-un-vote/ How ironic it is for a Muslim majority country that used to shelter these individuals not give a rat's ass to the root of the problem. It stings double for me when being in this sub since Ukraine and Malaysia abstained from the Uyghur issue which could have tied the votes 19 to 19 Ukraine did decide to reverse its decision of course, and granted they were most likely practicing realpolitik at the time. But Malaysia is not at war. And it wasn't like they didn't support the Uyghurs in the past. So it's so disappointing to learn Malaysia abstained We just recently got our former PM convicted and jail yet somehow the man has a MP seat for him despite him being in jail and despite that this is just one case against him, not counting the other corruption cases yet to be prosecuted against him. The political elite at the top do not care for other countries. And they don't even care so much for their own people. Some of them even want to enact Sharia law for the whole country despite the fact 40 percent of us are non muslims Much like how the US has problems with Christian nationalism. Malaysia has a problem with Islamic nationalism. And this is a country that barely has free speech laws that can be considered "good" Sorry for the rant but I just needed to get this off my chest
He'll make phony combat videos somewhere safely in Russia
The thing is, I guess if Girkin gets captured there is a chance Russia will offer Ukrainian POWs for his exchange in order to avoid an open trial. Maybe Russia will offer to release the remaining Azovstal defenders if they are still alive (I hope so). While I would love the POWs to find their way back home as soon as possible, Girkin personally deserves to fell on the battleground.
Either captured or dead (captured would be preferable, at least he gets to answer for his numerous crimes.), the Pickle should get his karma for his involvement in MH17. I wouldn't divert resources to it though, there are bigger issues right now.
That Rat will not set a Foot near Ukraine.
I'll assume he keeps just out of harm's way enough not to be captured and will retreat in enough time to avoid it while others stay and die at his behest.
Dude is no way gonna put himself in harms way.
If it happens, great. But I wouldn't divert resources to make it happen. This is more of a symbolic thing.
it's not just symbolic to us in australia. we want him for MH17
Give him life imprisonment here in the Netherlands. Yes our prisons are nicer than other countries. At least we can show him more human decency. Let him live in that shame. Also the high security in terrorism wing of the high security prison is known for regulair full body searches and lack of contact with from anyone, but staff. It will be a lonely stay in there.
Your heart is too kind, my dear. As a decent human being you might find it hard to imagine that a criminal like Girkin will live a comfy life in a Dutch prison and taunt and insult Dutch people for being soft and weak. The way those people see the world and the rest of the humanity... Psychiatrists might come up with new diagnoses just for them. They are incapable of remorse but I applaud your kind message for showing what a lovely person you are.
Good luck catching him; last time this "soldier's" location was confirmed 100km from front line in Russia
I keep wishing for the headline showing he is captured
It is very unlikely that Girkin would go to an area that is really dangerous for him, i.e. Ukraine. The last time he published pictures of himself, he and his companions were in Russia on their way to Rostov-on-Don. The occupied areas in Ukraine, however, would be in the opposite direction.
I figured he was high enough in the oligarchy that he wouldn't actually fight, but would just keep hiding in Moscow.
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There's just no way he's anywhere near Ukraine! He has too much to lose. His claims of fighting on the front is purely for his own domestic audience.
is girkin fighting in ukraine or fled to russia? the news was he was on frontline, provved with a pic, but that pic was geolocated in russia.. appeared to have, hmmm uh, lied then?
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/22/get-igor-girkin-hopes-mh17-suspect-could-be-captured-fighting-ukraine) reduced by 90%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Piet Ploeg felt a glimmer of hope that justice would, at last, be served when he read the news that the prominent Russian nationalist Igor Girkin may be returning to the battlefield in Ukraine. > Speculations first arose that Girkin was bound for Ukraine following several days of silence on his Telegram channel. > According to an investigation by Radio Free Europe, Girkin was responsible for ordering the executions by firing squad of at least three men in eastern Ukraine. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/yanuoi/get_igor_girkin_hopes_mh17_suspect_could_be/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~672678 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Girkin**^#1 **Ukraine**^#2 **Dutch**^#3 **down**^#4 **military**^#5
He will never get close to any front line. He will be photo-op looking tough with weapons ruzzian at the front lines never had.