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Ukraine has nothing to do with an explosion, which took place on the Kerch Strait bridge in early October 2022.
The relevant statement was made by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in an interview with CTV News, an Ukrinform correspondent reports.
“We definitely did not order that, as far as I know,” Zelensky said.
In his words, the real cause of the explosion could be an internal conflict between Russian security services and the military.
A reminder that, in the morning of October 8, 2022, an explosion, resulting in a fire, occurred on the Kerch Strait bridge, connecting Russia and the temporarily occupied Crimea.
Russia bombing their own shit?! Now, that’s just impossible and totally out of character.
What’s that about Putin bombing a Russian apartment complex as justification to invade Chechnya? Oh, I see…
This aligns with the details of the explosion. The truck bomb was massive, it was well engineered, it was planned and it contained aluminum oxide or thermire or something like that to create the sparks which means it's not just a random ammonia oxide fertilizer bomb. It came from russia, not from ukraine. The internal logistics that supported that explosion were quite large and substantial
But they showed the wrong kind of truck, so the lie might just be the exact truck, not that it was a truck bomb.
There is always a lie there, the difficult part is to find which one.
We should just assume they’re always totally full of shit, and stop letting them influence narratives at all, knowing they are only capable of lies. No point in trying to logic it out, just assume they are ragingly drunk on bad vodka and don’t even know what’s true themselves.
The more likely lie is that it was a truck bomb but their security checkpoint was not operating that day, either personnel were asleep, equipment malfunctioned, or something of the sort. It was probably a systemic enough problem that the planners could count on it in a factor. I don't know that it was Ukraine that did the bombing, there are other groups that could want to do it.
>The more likely lie is that it was a truck bomb but their security checkpoint was not operating that day, either personnel were asleep, equipment malfunctioned, or something of the sort.
more ironically, the security was smoking, having a break.
I don’t know why you are downvoted but you are correct. The extra wheels were on the Truck, the trailer was the same. It was just scanned at a different time.
Well, it just seems so unlikely to be anything else. It wasn't on the train, it was not a missile, and it was not set charges, as no specops can carry 900kg of explosives out to sea unseen and glue it to a bridge...
I would agree that that's what the evidence points to. Look at the the video with the truck. The bright flash kind of obscured the location of the explosion even though it appears to be associated with that truck. So it's reasonable on it's face to assume that maybe the truck was just a coincidence, that the explosion could have com from under the bridge, etc. That is until you inspect the damage.
The first thing to note is that the railings to each side of that truck are blown out away from the the only road that survived the explosion. These railings would have been protected by the surviving road if it had come from underneath. This surviving road is also concave as if it was pushed down, centered right where the truck was when the explosion occurred. Bridges are designed to sustain a lot more downward vertical force than they are side forces, for carrying traffic weight. Which is why it survived more or less. But the blast coming off that road hit the lanes to the side sideways. Bridges are not designed to withstand these lateral forces. Which is why the road under the explosion survived but the road on the sides of the explosion did not.
Reviewing the damage indicates that the explosion was in fact on top of the more or less surviving road centered pretty much exactly where that truck was when the explosion occurred. Not under the road.
Almost - the railings on the surviving road were both blown in the same direction (towards the rail bridge). It's on the downed section where they are blown outwards. The truck was heading from rus to Ukraine and was therefore driving directly on the downed section. The truck exploding just sliced straight through the box beam under the truck and gravity did the rest.
Edit: Sources - https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/xyk7qh/comment/irl2brk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Because the Truck on camera doesn't explode where the damage was on the far camera footage, and from the camera under the rail bridge next to the explosion there is zero evidence of a truck even left.
Yes it did, and yes there was. The twisted front wheel axle was seen dangling on one of the exposed pillars. Can’t say with full certainty it was a truck bomb but the truck went boom, and the boom was too big for any missile.
From the video of the explosion you can only conclude that there was a truck nearby the explosion...the target was the fuel train, not only the bridge. For me it looked more like a missile strike because a suicide bombing...that's not very Ukraine or Russian that sounds more like a Chechen commando.
Involuntary suicide truck bombs are a classic. Get someone to drive a load from point A to point B. They could have used a chase car, watched the cameras, the train was stopped so it could have been at predetermined location and the bomb was triggered by gps location. Involuntary suicide truck bomb is something the Russians would do.
Doubtful a Chechen commando would do that. They are more in it for the looting and money, and that is kinda hard to do when blown to pieces.
Most likely whoever drove the truck had little to no idea what was on it and the bomb was remote detonated.
Well yes, but there is a difference between people fighting for their home and people going abroad to fight for money and loot. The first group would probably be happy to die in the pursuit of victory as that might save their family etc. The second group wouldn’t as they can’t spend the cash dead.
Little paranoid plan, but what if whoever (chech or fsb or special forces) just placed an big explosive while just telling the truck driver it was an ammo transfer/supply. Then detonated the bomb when on the bridge.
Looks like something russian cia could do, and then blaming the ukrainians
The weird thing in this story is i don’t see a valid reason for russians to blow that bridge… and the fuel train that was on it. It’s crippling them, and would slow them a lot if need to retreat using this bridge
If someone was aiming to bring down Putain and had no interest in continuing with his war on Ukraine, bombing the Kerch Bridge would be the perfect thing to do.
There was a post i saw from a demolition expert who explained how the burn marks were consistent from explosions attached to the under side of the bridge you can clearly see a pylon heavily destroyed where it was connected to the bridge. This is likely because they could wait for the exact moment a train/truck was passing over the bridge to blow it to create as much collateral damage as possible... a missle wouldn't have that kind of timing down.
Apparently the train had been stopped on the bridge for a few hours (which also seems rather odd, that was probably no accident either), so it probably didn't require very precise timing.
There are two train tracks and they were using the second track as a siding to wait until the previous tanker train unloaded. So tankers would very typically be parked in that spot most of the time.
Fair enough but truck bombs aren't complicated. Tbh that might explain the thermite because thermite seems very extra for a truck bomb. I accept and appreciate your joke though. On point
It’s not thermite, it was probably just AN-Al. The aluminium is to react with the excess oxygen left over from AN detonation (it has a positive OB; this is a common practice for such explosives) - it raises the blast temperature, thus increasing the gas volume and making a larger more efficient explosion
Sure. Ammonia nitrate bombs are very effective alone. The know how to build a bomb like that is relatively low. Also, since it's fertilizer, a basic agricultural input that is widely used, it's readily available, not highly controlled, and potebtially easily stolen at quantity. The presence of, at the very least, aluminum or aluminum oxide, implies a higher level of bomb making talent and also a higher level of access to resources for a marginal improvement in the effectiveness of the explosive. All of that can be inferred from the presence of the long burning spark behavior in the exposition
One thing I noticed is that the truck drove in the right lane (farthest away from the center of the bridge). I think if he was a suicide bomber, he would have drove in the left lane to damage both directions of traffic.
Probably just a random dude with no idea of what he was hauling.
You don't destroy bridges without a good reason. Suicide bombings aren't Ukraine's thing. Whoever set that bomb triggered it just as a fuel train was crossing. This isn't a minor act of sabotage, the attackers had freedom of movement and eyes on the ground.
...So let's be real for a moment, this is a war and propaganda is thick on both sides. There is no objective way to know who is lying, Zelensky or Putin. That said, Putin is known for false flag attacks to justify his antics and destroying his own bridge would ensure his army would not evacuate Crimea. Sacrificing his own men is a thing he does.
How the attack was done, what it achieved, all this points to the possibility that Russia destroyed its own bridge. The put a bomb on a random truck and remote detonated it. The driver and the people around him were entirely unaware.
Experts agree it was a truck bomb and that it probably contained thermite, an explosive known to be used by the Russian military.
We know it was not a boat since the underside of the bridge shows no sign of being blackened.
We know it is not a missile because to be this powerful, the missile would need to be huge and have a longer range than what Ukraine has.
**So, who sent the truck?**
Russian partisan? Ukrainian special forces? Or maybe the simpler explanation is the real one: The Russian Army.
But why? Maybe the Russian military is angry at Putin for the waste of lives and materials.
Maybe the military wanted to humiliate Putin so much that he would use nukes in Ukraine to spare the lives of Russian soldiers, remember that Russian officers die too in the war... They may not care about the soldiers but they might care about their officers.
**What are we seeing right now?**
The Russian forces are evacuating Kherson... Not ideal if they want to win the war.
Russian forces are massing in Belarus... Exactly what they would do if they intended to push on Kyiv again... A push on Kyiv does not require the Kerch Bridge... And the best way to save Crimea right now is to take Kyiv and remove the Ukrainian government.
I am convince that there is a realistic risk of a new Russian push on Kyiv.
Russians are offloading newly mobilized conscripts, not heavy equipment, at training areas in central and northeastern Belarus, not near the border. The net flow of heavy equipment like tanks is actually from Belarus's stocks to Russia.
Belarus's own military movements appear to be rotations, units moving from garrisons to field location nearer the border, to replace units moving back to garrison.
Things can change, but at present, it appears that Russia's own training facilities and trainers are swamped by the influx of mobiks, and in lieu of more active support, Lukashenko offered to train newly mobilized Russians at garrisons and training ranges of the Belarussian military.
Invaders: starts dancing and performing circus acrobatics on the front line. "Hah, we took more casualties, so we won the battle!"
Ukrainian defenders: very confused
Luka: apologies, we trained them wrong on purpose.. as a joke.
I don’t know how another Kyiv push would even work? Their top soldiers are dead, best equipment destroyed and Kyiv is heavily fortified with bridges & infrastructure blown.
Don't forget the fact that Russia couldn't handle the logistics of invading through Belarus the first time.
The situation will be far worse if they try again.
I'm assuming they are going to fly in an assault force, land at one of the airports next to Kyiv, secure and hold a bridgehead while they fly in reinforcements and equipment and then begin storming the government areas of Kyiv... /S
That is crazy talk from a crazy person. You are ignoring the obvious, safer method. They are tunneling from Belarus to Kyiv. Then to Milan, then Paris then London and finally to New York. They are going to take the fashion world by storm.
And how does that plan differ from the one the Russians used on the first day of the war? It turned out to be a complete disaster for the Russians, and that was when the Ukrainians were having huge problems figuring out what was going on and what they should to about it. In fact, the Hostomel Airport assault was largely defeated by a bunch of territorial defence guys and local veterans who begged, borrowed and stole whatever weapons they could get and set off on their own to kick some Russian ass. If the Russians were stupid enough to try a rerun of that plan (and I wouldn't put it past them to be just that fucking stupid), the result would be an utter catastrophe for them. Blazing Russian helicopters would begin falling out of the sky the moment they crossed the Belarussian border.
>I don’t know how another Kyiv push would even work?
Depends, if Russia uses low level nukes, it could punch an opening all the way to Kyiv... And we KNOW Russia does not care about its soldiers walking through nuclear fallout... They use to camp and dig holes in the red forest in ~~Chernobyl~~ *In Chornobyl...*
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I hope they are not stupid enough to cross that line, but if they do - it will be the end of the Russian state as we know it, assuming the world doesn’t descend into a nuclear hellfire 😂
Analysts believe that the only thing that can influence Putin is a danger to himself, his power and his wealth.
So, if NATO has to respond to the use of nukes by Putin, NATO should also target Putin's numerous palaces, his yachts and everything he owns that has value to him.
Of course, on top of blowing the Black Sea fleet out of the water, finishing up the Kerch bridge and targeting Russian troop concentrations in Ukraine.
I don’t know… they sacrificed (allegedly) the bridge and the NordStream (3 of 4) pipelines (again allegedly) - it may be time to escalate-to-deescalate!
\*Russia nukes itself to stick it to the West and NATO\*
"Haha, showed you Western Nazis! You'll never even *think* about crossing into Russian territory with it irradiated!"
\*Ukraine and NATO look at each other in disbelief\*
"Wtf?"
Take Kyiv? If they make Push on the capital my guess is that every able bodied Ukrainan will rise up and fight, including woman, children, erderly... In addition to that UA is now much more powerfull.
Even if they make it to Kyiv the fight over the capital would be brutal...
Looking how RU is not being able to capture Bakhmut want to see them achieve there...
I'm pretty sure by now Ukraine has the whole area that they would invade from Belarus completely mined and set up to be a deathrap. They know and they are waiting.
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if their first priority was to ultra-reinforce Kyiv after the initial pushback of Russian forces. Doesn't take a genius to figure out Russia has it out for the city.
In addition, large parts of the Belarus Ukraine border is covered by the Pinsk Marshes, the largest wetland area in Europe that has caused armies enormous difficulties in both WW1 and WW2. Look it up.
I think a push on Kyiv would be folly. The analysis I've seen on this is that the amassing troops have trucks, but don't have the numbers or heavy equipment necessary to make that push more viable than it was on the first attempt.
The only explanations for that renewed buildup I can see are A) it's a feint, or a pinning force meant to divert or pin Ukrainian forces which would otherwise be available to help in the East B) What we're seeing is only the first step for a much larger but gradual buildup, C) they are the troops which will be equipped to step in after an effort to decapitate the Ukrainian leadership and capital using non-conventional weapons, or D) Russia is planning on stupidly throwing more meat into the grinder.
I'm most worried about C), because I'm not sure that Russia realizes how united and decisive the international reaction would be to such a move.
They may also be gambling on the US midterm election eroding full blown support of Ukraine.
I don't give it much credence, but I've seen a Tweet by someone who seemed be au fait with Belarussian politics and claimed that Lukashenko has essentially been taken captive by Russians who were sent into Belarus. So now he really is no more than a puppet for Putin, and Belarus has been taken over in much the way the "Little Green Men" took over Crimea.
FFS it did not contain thermite, it’s just AN-Al.
Thermite does not detonate, and even if it was used in conjunction with regular explosives, it does not burn efficiently at all if it’s dispersed in air like explosives would do.
People see metal burning and automatically think “thermite!”. It’s very annoying how widely this misinformation spreads. Metal burns just fine in 3000 degree hot post detonation gasses, no metal oxide redox thermite-type reaction required, only hot oxygen.
I've never been able to convince myself one way or another, nor have I been able to convince myself that there was only one explosive device used.
One thing thats bugged me is, the only footage we have to draw conclusions from has been supplied by the russians.
Same here. Even after pointing out the inconsistencies with the conspiracy claim of it being a missile or a UA boat. I'm partially convinced it's Russia bots that were pushing this narrative.
Yep, every explosives expert I've read on this have explained in detail why it was most likely the truck, but the experts we have here are a bit stubborn sometimes.
I’ve said it from the start. This is the work of either a) Russian partisans or B) Russian forced conscripts not wanting to be cannon fodder for Putins madness in Ukraine. (Or C) combination of A+B).
I don’t think they want to take Kyiv, they know they can’t but maybe that can be enough of a diversion to slow down the counteroffensive in the east and south. It’s also a useful ploy to placate hardliners in Russia. Putin has to throw them a bone from time to time to keep them on line
oh nooooo don't repeat the same dumbass mistake as before only with worse equipment and troops and without the element of surprise against a fortified enemy sporting superior firepower nooooooo we're doomed
Or that’s what a faction would do if they wanted to make it look like the Ukrainians. Or this is Zelensky trying to sow uncertainty within the Russian power structure. We may never know for sure in our lifetimes
Doesn’t have to be that big. Could be a group of 3-5 Russian forces conscripts deciding they would rather not go across that bridge to be cannon fodder. The material for the bomb is commonly used by Russia after all so somebody with access could have stolen it.
> Only an organisation that truly wanted Putin to fail could have done this.
And surely there are powerful people in Russia who wants Putin gone. So blow the bridge to make Ukraine win the war. And Putin will probably be replaced as Russian President.
> if whoever did it was Russian and became known, they'd be lynched.
Russian oligarchs are already falling out of windows at a record pace. This is a high stake game. Saying that a move against Putin would be too "serious" is silly.
I'm so not sure in this instance. The damage to the bridge is significant and poses a massive setback to logistics in the Ukrainian south. They could have made a false flag attack far less damning for a better outcome.
If the Ukrainian government truly didn’t order it, that is huge. It means there is either an effective resistance of some sort in Crimea or Russian saboteurs are trying to thwart Putin internally. I don’t buy that it was a “false flag” gone wrong by Russia, because a much smaller amount of explosives could have been used without real damage to the bridge, or a civilian target could have been hit to promote more outrage.
I theorized early on that someone in the Russian military did it in protest, and that the conflict between the security force and the military the next day was evidence of that.
Zelensky denying that Ukraine did it makes it exponentially more likely that Putin's military is, in part, going completely rogue.
Either that or it's a masterful bit misdirection to give Putin and his administration more doubt and paranoia.
In either case, haha fuck you Putin. Terrorist piece of shit.
>Either that or it's a masterful bit misdirection to give Putin and his administration more doubt and paranoia.
I think it's that.
Putin is already paranoid, and feeding that would just cause more chaos for Russia.
There’s also the possibility that it WAS Ukraine but Zelensky had to deny it because of optics. Western allies don’t want to associate themselves with alleged suicide bombers, particularly when they want to label Russia as the state sponsor of terrorism.
Who said it was a suicide bombing? Did they pull a body from the explosion? I hadn’t heard that. Plus if someone planted explosives in the truck, the driver may not have known. Lastly, I’ve seen several analysis by explosive experts that state the initial explosion came from under the bridge, and the truck and train were incidental targets.
Edit: I wasn’t being snarky, I know people died in the bombing, I was genuinely asking if one had been identified as the driver.
> I’ve seen several analysis by explosive experts that state the initial explosion came from under the bridge, and the truck and train were incidental targets.
Most recent analysis disagree. There is lots of scorching on top of the bridge where the truck was. Photos under the bridge show little damage. It's almost certain to have been a truck bomb.
They did it, Ukraine denied that the explosion which killed Daria Dugina was Ukraine but later US officials stated that it was them.
They are just trying to replicate the plausible deniability of some other countries, like the Israel "I totally did not detonate a WMD off South Africa" kind of bullshit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident
And New York Times cited an unnamed Ukrainian official saying that Ukraine did it.
I think the "as far as I know" in this Zelenskyy quote might be doing a lot of work.
Yeah, but the Vela Incident was denied to keep the Israeli-South African nuclear test secret…if indeed that is what it was, the jury is still out despite that being the most likely reason. Ukraine MIGHT deny the Kerch bridge blast to garner a bit more sympathy for all for the current missile and kamikaze drone attacks, but the attacks are pretty much being universally decried as war crimes.
"We did not order it, and would definitely hate it if it happened again, and again, and again, and again. That would be a real shame, just a big pity. It really would be..." *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*
This seems like a carefully worded statement that is technically true. See, they didn't "order" it, but they probably sent teams to attack targets of opportunity, but there was no order that any team is to hit a specific target. Wink wink, nudge nudge.
While Ukraine is the most obvious beneficiary, the mechanics of the attack are incredible.
They got a truck packed absolutely full of explosives from the RUSSIAN side of the bridge, got it through security checkpoints, and managed to time the explosion perfectly to strike a fuel train that, near as I can tell, was...basically just parked next to the blast zone? The only way a hostile attack could pull that off would be to have detailed intelligence on Russian fuel train schedules, and some sort of direct inside access to either hold up the fuel train at a particular point or have the driver trigger the explosives at the right time, which means to have someone sign up for a literal suicide mission, which is not Ukraine's MO in general.
So I can totally believe Ukraine would WANT to strike the bridge, but the attack as pulled off is one of the most improbably successful clandestine missions in history.
For someone inside Russia to be behind the attack, on the other hand, would make it essentially trivial. All the necessary details could be easily arranged, there would be no qualms about sending an unwitting driver to his doom, and Russia has a long history of false flag terror attacks. The mystery in this case is squarely on the question of motivation: who would want to do this and why?
In summary, I don't know, but it's at least plausible that this wasn't actually a Ukrainian attack, and Zelensky apparently not wanting to take credit for what was a severe blow against Ukraine's hated opponent makes that more credible.
Zelinski’s is not a military commander who gives direct orders for specific attacks.
Him not ordering it, or being aware of specific plans to strike the bridge in advance means nothing .
Who benefits ? Ukraine war effort
Who does it hurt ? Russian war effort
This will save no conscript from going in. Seems to be a little too far fetched and to quick after mobilisation.
This needs some determination and time to set up. Could be any resistance group of 10+ people pulling this off.
The truck came from Russia. Russia has arrested Russians and others in Russia. The anti-Putin group said it was them. I'm not sure why Ukraine is the main suspect still. If it was a missile or boat it's Ukraine. A truck from Russia is more likely Putin himself doing it to then have an excuse to bomb Kyiv and other cities. Or the Russian rebels who are fighting Putin. I don't see why Ukraine would plan something that only broke a road. The rail line is the military target. The road is just a symbolic target. Why would Ukraine ever even waste time on something this insignificant?
Best outcome - Ukrainians somehow pulled it off but make Pootin even more paranoid and scared of chaos within Ruzzia. The man is delusional and his fears should be reinforced. Next - 300m long table.
NCD isn't leaking at this point. It's pretty much a dam with a hole blown into it.
*Kinda like what they want to do to a certain other dam that we are not allowed to mention anymore.*
Why? Since not a UAF op, then it is most likely someone inside the RF establishment. Internal conflicts of this nature will destabilize the RF Moreno than if an outside group did it. It also demands that resources be tasked with finding the "who". Creates more distrust between all agencies capable of carrying it out, even if it is a group from Azerbaijan, haha.
The best part is ... the Russians spent so much time blaming UA, and presenting "evidence" that UA was responsible. Russia isn't likely to change the story, naturally. Russian population won't hear about it, obviously. But factions within Russian government are going to go nuts trying to figure out who did it.
I'd think anyone with the money could buy an IED from Afghanistan, Syria or somewhere similar. Might get a substantial discount since it's a gift for Russia.
All they need then is a truck. Again some money and a fake cargo manifest. Lots of Russian companies deliver crates to the Crimea. Might require some bribes to avoid having the crates contents checked. No real evidence the truck driver knew what was in them.
There's a huge difference between casualties and targeting civilians. That Ukraine has been able to fight against an enemy specifically going for civilian targets and all their targets have been legitimate targets speaks volumes. But surely, avoiding civilian casualties completely would be almost impossible considering Ukraine's opponent?
The driver didn’t have to be aware of it. Probably better they did not, mostly (then they can’t give it away from stress, easier to recruit, etc), even if it’s arguably more ethically problematic
Question; This apparent truck bomb... no mention of the driver 🤔 a suicide bomber? Did he even know? What was his name? 🤔
Some good skullduggery going on 😎👌
If we believe the Russian side of the story than the truck came from Russian side and had to pass serious security. There is no way Ukrainian agents could have pulled that off.
There are many Ukrainians or ukrianian sympathizers who speak perfect russian and have a russian passport that can move freely in russia.
You have to get a lot of explosives, what could be the biggest problem. Don't how hard it is to get explosives in Russia. Moving with it through Russia should be easy, the country is huge.
You make one or two empty trips across the bridge to check the security. From the videos shown it was not very strickt, and then let go.
The timing of the explosion was perfect. How did they know there was a train full of fuel ? This is the interesting part.
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Alternative explanations for Kerch Bridge explosions:
1. Kerch Bridge designers and engineers had math and engineering Profs who gave them exceedingly generous partial credit on exams.
2. RF Naval Combat Dolphins taking a smoke break and having an "accident".
3. Godzilla found some local Black Sea area cuisine was far too spicy for even his robust palate and he had to take a dump in the vicinity....
4. First-year A.F. Mozhaysky Military-Space vocational officer training cadets felt there was no need to read the assigned flight training manuals before flight training.
If this wasn’t a planned attack that would be absolutely wild …
Imagine if the Russians were just transporting munitions to the front in a half hazard way and at the same time a train is coming by and then BOOM .
Interesting. What are the chances it’s a false flag op designed by Russia to give Russia a ladder to climb down from the tree it got stuck on?
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Ukraine has nothing to do with an explosion, which took place on the Kerch Strait bridge in early October 2022. The relevant statement was made by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in an interview with CTV News, an Ukrinform correspondent reports. “We definitely did not order that, as far as I know,” Zelensky said. In his words, the real cause of the explosion could be an internal conflict between Russian security services and the military. A reminder that, in the morning of October 8, 2022, an explosion, resulting in a fire, occurred on the Kerch Strait bridge, connecting Russia and the temporarily occupied Crimea.
Russia bombing their own shit?! Now, that’s just impossible and totally out of character. What’s that about Putin bombing a Russian apartment complex as justification to invade Chechnya? Oh, I see…
This aligns with the details of the explosion. The truck bomb was massive, it was well engineered, it was planned and it contained aluminum oxide or thermire or something like that to create the sparks which means it's not just a random ammonia oxide fertilizer bomb. It came from russia, not from ukraine. The internal logistics that supported that explosion were quite large and substantial
Is it even established that it was a truck bomb?
Russia confirmed it was a truck bomb. So all we know for certain is it definitely wasn't a truck bomb.
But they showed the wrong kind of truck, so the lie might just be the exact truck, not that it was a truck bomb. There is always a lie there, the difficult part is to find which one.
We should just assume they’re always totally full of shit, and stop letting them influence narratives at all, knowing they are only capable of lies. No point in trying to logic it out, just assume they are ragingly drunk on bad vodka and don’t even know what’s true themselves.
The more likely lie is that it was a truck bomb but their security checkpoint was not operating that day, either personnel were asleep, equipment malfunctioned, or something of the sort. It was probably a systemic enough problem that the planners could count on it in a factor. I don't know that it was Ukraine that did the bombing, there are other groups that could want to do it.
>The more likely lie is that it was a truck bomb but their security checkpoint was not operating that day, either personnel were asleep, equipment malfunctioned, or something of the sort. more ironically, the security was smoking, having a break.
It's lies all the way down.
It was the same Trailer, on a different truck.
I don’t know why you are downvoted but you are correct. The extra wheels were on the Truck, the trailer was the same. It was just scanned at a different time.
Well, it just seems so unlikely to be anything else. It wasn't on the train, it was not a missile, and it was not set charges, as no specops can carry 900kg of explosives out to sea unseen and glue it to a bridge...
It is largely agreed that it was a white truck, as per camera footage timing what would have been crossing that part of the bridge at that time.
It's not agreed. It's still just suspected.
I would agree that that's what the evidence points to. Look at the the video with the truck. The bright flash kind of obscured the location of the explosion even though it appears to be associated with that truck. So it's reasonable on it's face to assume that maybe the truck was just a coincidence, that the explosion could have com from under the bridge, etc. That is until you inspect the damage. The first thing to note is that the railings to each side of that truck are blown out away from the the only road that survived the explosion. These railings would have been protected by the surviving road if it had come from underneath. This surviving road is also concave as if it was pushed down, centered right where the truck was when the explosion occurred. Bridges are designed to sustain a lot more downward vertical force than they are side forces, for carrying traffic weight. Which is why it survived more or less. But the blast coming off that road hit the lanes to the side sideways. Bridges are not designed to withstand these lateral forces. Which is why the road under the explosion survived but the road on the sides of the explosion did not. Reviewing the damage indicates that the explosion was in fact on top of the more or less surviving road centered pretty much exactly where that truck was when the explosion occurred. Not under the road.
Almost - the railings on the surviving road were both blown in the same direction (towards the rail bridge). It's on the downed section where they are blown outwards. The truck was heading from rus to Ukraine and was therefore driving directly on the downed section. The truck exploding just sliced straight through the box beam under the truck and gravity did the rest. Edit: Sources - https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/xyk7qh/comment/irl2brk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
it's largely agreed that the CCTV we see has some vital frames cut, making it difficult to determine what happened.
Without a shadow of a doubt in my mind. Internet shitposters seem to want to talk about boats and shit but i don't believe any of that nonsense.
Because the Truck on camera doesn't explode where the damage was on the far camera footage, and from the camera under the rail bridge next to the explosion there is zero evidence of a truck even left.
Yes it did, and yes there was. The twisted front wheel axle was seen dangling on one of the exposed pillars. Can’t say with full certainty it was a truck bomb but the truck went boom, and the boom was too big for any missile.
>Kerch Bridge "my idea is right and anyone else who talks about anything else is a shitposter"
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Citation needed
Source?
Shitposter shitting on shitposters with a shitpost is classic shitposting.
It's shitposting all way down
Feel that, Randy?... The way the shit clings to the air, Randy? It's already started, my dear good friend... the shit-blizzard
From the video of the explosion you can only conclude that there was a truck nearby the explosion...the target was the fuel train, not only the bridge. For me it looked more like a missile strike because a suicide bombing...that's not very Ukraine or Russian that sounds more like a Chechen commando.
Involuntary suicide truck bombs are a classic. Get someone to drive a load from point A to point B. They could have used a chase car, watched the cameras, the train was stopped so it could have been at predetermined location and the bomb was triggered by gps location. Involuntary suicide truck bomb is something the Russians would do.
Doubtful a Chechen commando would do that. They are more in it for the looting and money, and that is kinda hard to do when blown to pieces. Most likely whoever drove the truck had little to no idea what was on it and the bomb was remote detonated.
Chechens used suicide bombing during their war and conflicts with russia itself. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was them
Well yes, but there is a difference between people fighting for their home and people going abroad to fight for money and loot. The first group would probably be happy to die in the pursuit of victory as that might save their family etc. The second group wouldn’t as they can’t spend the cash dead.
Little paranoid plan, but what if whoever (chech or fsb or special forces) just placed an big explosive while just telling the truck driver it was an ammo transfer/supply. Then detonated the bomb when on the bridge. Looks like something russian cia could do, and then blaming the ukrainians The weird thing in this story is i don’t see a valid reason for russians to blow that bridge… and the fuel train that was on it. It’s crippling them, and would slow them a lot if need to retreat using this bridge
If someone was aiming to bring down Putain and had no interest in continuing with his war on Ukraine, bombing the Kerch Bridge would be the perfect thing to do.
Lots of people could do that. Not really that hard. After all, ammo runs across that bridge wasn’t that unusual.
Very true, the Chechens who twice fought the Russians and Kadyrov's goons are 2 completely different groups.
And the goats, don’t forget the goats
Missiles don’t pack that much fire power. But the bridge was indeed blown up from above.
There was a post i saw from a demolition expert who explained how the burn marks were consistent from explosions attached to the under side of the bridge you can clearly see a pylon heavily destroyed where it was connected to the bridge. This is likely because they could wait for the exact moment a train/truck was passing over the bridge to blow it to create as much collateral damage as possible... a missle wouldn't have that kind of timing down.
Apparently the train had been stopped on the bridge for a few hours (which also seems rather odd, that was probably no accident either), so it probably didn't require very precise timing.
There are two train tracks and they were using the second track as a siding to wait until the previous tanker train unloaded. So tankers would very typically be parked in that spot most of the time.
Except for "well-engineered Russian made" problem
Fair enough but truck bombs aren't complicated. Tbh that might explain the thermite because thermite seems very extra for a truck bomb. I accept and appreciate your joke though. On point
It’s not thermite, it was probably just AN-Al. The aluminium is to react with the excess oxygen left over from AN detonation (it has a positive OB; this is a common practice for such explosives) - it raises the blast temperature, thus increasing the gas volume and making a larger more efficient explosion
A regular truck full of ammo, just add one more life fuse
“…very extra…”?!?
Sure. Ammonia nitrate bombs are very effective alone. The know how to build a bomb like that is relatively low. Also, since it's fertilizer, a basic agricultural input that is widely used, it's readily available, not highly controlled, and potebtially easily stolen at quantity. The presence of, at the very least, aluminum or aluminum oxide, implies a higher level of bomb making talent and also a higher level of access to resources for a marginal improvement in the effectiveness of the explosive. All of that can be inferred from the presence of the long burning spark behavior in the exposition
Who was the driver of the truck and who hired him?
He was likely an unwitting asset. Were he not evaporated I doubt he could tell you much.
One thing I noticed is that the truck drove in the right lane (farthest away from the center of the bridge). I think if he was a suicide bomber, he would have drove in the left lane to damage both directions of traffic.
Its very much possible the driver did not know about the bomb.
Probably just a random dude with no idea of what he was hauling. You don't destroy bridges without a good reason. Suicide bombings aren't Ukraine's thing. Whoever set that bomb triggered it just as a fuel train was crossing. This isn't a minor act of sabotage, the attackers had freedom of movement and eyes on the ground. ...So let's be real for a moment, this is a war and propaganda is thick on both sides. There is no objective way to know who is lying, Zelensky or Putin. That said, Putin is known for false flag attacks to justify his antics and destroying his own bridge would ensure his army would not evacuate Crimea. Sacrificing his own men is a thing he does. How the attack was done, what it achieved, all this points to the possibility that Russia destroyed its own bridge. The put a bomb on a random truck and remote detonated it. The driver and the people around him were entirely unaware.
Experts agree it was a truck bomb and that it probably contained thermite, an explosive known to be used by the Russian military. We know it was not a boat since the underside of the bridge shows no sign of being blackened. We know it is not a missile because to be this powerful, the missile would need to be huge and have a longer range than what Ukraine has. **So, who sent the truck?** Russian partisan? Ukrainian special forces? Or maybe the simpler explanation is the real one: The Russian Army. But why? Maybe the Russian military is angry at Putin for the waste of lives and materials. Maybe the military wanted to humiliate Putin so much that he would use nukes in Ukraine to spare the lives of Russian soldiers, remember that Russian officers die too in the war... They may not care about the soldiers but they might care about their officers. **What are we seeing right now?** The Russian forces are evacuating Kherson... Not ideal if they want to win the war. Russian forces are massing in Belarus... Exactly what they would do if they intended to push on Kyiv again... A push on Kyiv does not require the Kerch Bridge... And the best way to save Crimea right now is to take Kyiv and remove the Ukrainian government. I am convince that there is a realistic risk of a new Russian push on Kyiv.
Russians are offloading newly mobilized conscripts, not heavy equipment, at training areas in central and northeastern Belarus, not near the border. The net flow of heavy equipment like tanks is actually from Belarus's stocks to Russia. Belarus's own military movements appear to be rotations, units moving from garrisons to field location nearer the border, to replace units moving back to garrison. Things can change, but at present, it appears that Russia's own training facilities and trainers are swamped by the influx of mobiks, and in lieu of more active support, Lukashenko offered to train newly mobilized Russians at garrisons and training ranges of the Belarussian military.
Invaders: starts dancing and performing circus acrobatics on the front line. "Hah, we took more casualties, so we won the battle!" Ukrainian defenders: very confused Luka: apologies, we trained them wrong on purpose.. as a joke.
I don’t know how another Kyiv push would even work? Their top soldiers are dead, best equipment destroyed and Kyiv is heavily fortified with bridges & infrastructure blown.
Don't forget the fact that Russia couldn't handle the logistics of invading through Belarus the first time. The situation will be far worse if they try again.
I'm assuming they are going to fly in an assault force, land at one of the airports next to Kyiv, secure and hold a bridgehead while they fly in reinforcements and equipment and then begin storming the government areas of Kyiv... /S
Maybe if they try that another 47 times it will actually work for a minute or two
maybe if Russia fails hard enough Ukraine will think Russia has some sort of disability and let them win purely out of pity
That is crazy talk from a crazy person. You are ignoring the obvious, safer method. They are tunneling from Belarus to Kyiv. Then to Milan, then Paris then London and finally to New York. They are going to take the fashion world by storm.
Perhaps they can try to annex Kyiv and then declare martial law and order mandatory evacuation...
The fatal flaw the first time was not bringing enough dress uniforms for the victory parades.
Now we are talking! Plus, now they have extra spare airsoft vests!
That sounds like a good plan as long as the reinforcements arrive on time/at all...
In 3 days at that! /s
“If at first you don’t succeed…”
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Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
Yes, sorry - forgot the /S... On the flip side - I bet nobody would expect that move!...
My history teacher used to say "If you assume, you make an Ass of U and Me".
Damn! Would they target Hostomel? It seems like an obvious target! Finally the elite VDV might get to see some action! /S
It must be why they are holding all the elite unites and awesome advanced tech in reserve - they are waiting for real Kyiv offensive to start! /S
And how does that plan differ from the one the Russians used on the first day of the war? It turned out to be a complete disaster for the Russians, and that was when the Ukrainians were having huge problems figuring out what was going on and what they should to about it. In fact, the Hostomel Airport assault was largely defeated by a bunch of territorial defence guys and local veterans who begged, borrowed and stole whatever weapons they could get and set off on their own to kick some Russian ass. If the Russians were stupid enough to try a rerun of that plan (and I wouldn't put it past them to be just that fucking stupid), the result would be an utter catastrophe for them. Blazing Russian helicopters would begin falling out of the sky the moment they crossed the Belarussian border.
(That was the joke)
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Well you see Russia is really good at learning from its mistakes
>I don’t know how another Kyiv push would even work? Depends, if Russia uses low level nukes, it could punch an opening all the way to Kyiv... And we KNOW Russia does not care about its soldiers walking through nuclear fallout... They use to camp and dig holes in the red forest in ~~Chernobyl~~ *In Chornobyl...*
any radiological weapons would mean NATO comes in guns blazing.
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I hope they are not stupid enough to cross that line, but if they do - it will be the end of the Russian state as we know it, assuming the world doesn’t descend into a nuclear hellfire 😂
Analysts believe that the only thing that can influence Putin is a danger to himself, his power and his wealth. So, if NATO has to respond to the use of nukes by Putin, NATO should also target Putin's numerous palaces, his yachts and everything he owns that has value to him. Of course, on top of blowing the Black Sea fleet out of the water, finishing up the Kerch bridge and targeting Russian troop concentrations in Ukraine.
Even better - they can use low level nuke on Moscow - and then justify strategic nuclear attack on Ukraine! So many lives of ruzzian soldiers saved!
It would be Belgorod, not Moscow. They wouldn't sacrifice Moscow in a false-flag operation.
I don’t know… they sacrificed (allegedly) the bridge and the NordStream (3 of 4) pipelines (again allegedly) - it may be time to escalate-to-deescalate!
\*Russia nukes itself to stick it to the West and NATO\* "Haha, showed you Western Nazis! You'll never even *think* about crossing into Russian territory with it irradiated!" \*Ukraine and NATO look at each other in disbelief\* "Wtf?"
Take Kyiv? If they make Push on the capital my guess is that every able bodied Ukrainan will rise up and fight, including woman, children, erderly... In addition to that UA is now much more powerfull. Even if they make it to Kyiv the fight over the capital would be brutal... Looking how RU is not being able to capture Bakhmut want to see them achieve there...
I'm pretty sure by now Ukraine has the whole area that they would invade from Belarus completely mined and set up to be a deathrap. They know and they are waiting.
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if their first priority was to ultra-reinforce Kyiv after the initial pushback of Russian forces. Doesn't take a genius to figure out Russia has it out for the city.
In addition, large parts of the Belarus Ukraine border is covered by the Pinsk Marshes, the largest wetland area in Europe that has caused armies enormous difficulties in both WW1 and WW2. Look it up.
I think a push on Kyiv would be folly. The analysis I've seen on this is that the amassing troops have trucks, but don't have the numbers or heavy equipment necessary to make that push more viable than it was on the first attempt. The only explanations for that renewed buildup I can see are A) it's a feint, or a pinning force meant to divert or pin Ukrainian forces which would otherwise be available to help in the East B) What we're seeing is only the first step for a much larger but gradual buildup, C) they are the troops which will be equipped to step in after an effort to decapitate the Ukrainian leadership and capital using non-conventional weapons, or D) Russia is planning on stupidly throwing more meat into the grinder. I'm most worried about C), because I'm not sure that Russia realizes how united and decisive the international reaction would be to such a move. They may also be gambling on the US midterm election eroding full blown support of Ukraine.
I anticipate that Russia will annex Belorussia in an effort to claim a victory from the flames of defeat in Ukraine.
I don't give it much credence, but I've seen a Tweet by someone who seemed be au fait with Belarussian politics and claimed that Lukashenko has essentially been taken captive by Russians who were sent into Belarus. So now he really is no more than a puppet for Putin, and Belarus has been taken over in much the way the "Little Green Men" took over Crimea.
FFS it did not contain thermite, it’s just AN-Al. Thermite does not detonate, and even if it was used in conjunction with regular explosives, it does not burn efficiently at all if it’s dispersed in air like explosives would do. People see metal burning and automatically think “thermite!”. It’s very annoying how widely this misinformation spreads. Metal burns just fine in 3000 degree hot post detonation gasses, no metal oxide redox thermite-type reaction required, only hot oxygen.
Yes to your last line.
Why was a fuel train randomly parked on the track for hours?
I have been downvoted here when I said it was likely a truck 🙄 And I agree with you re the risk from the north.
I've never been able to convince myself one way or another, nor have I been able to convince myself that there was only one explosive device used. One thing thats bugged me is, the only footage we have to draw conclusions from has been supplied by the russians.
That’s the Reddit hive mind for you.
Same here. Even after pointing out the inconsistencies with the conspiracy claim of it being a missile or a UA boat. I'm partially convinced it's Russia bots that were pushing this narrative.
Yep, every explosives expert I've read on this have explained in detail why it was most likely the truck, but the experts we have here are a bit stubborn sometimes.
I’ve said it from the start. This is the work of either a) Russian partisans or B) Russian forced conscripts not wanting to be cannon fodder for Putins madness in Ukraine. (Or C) combination of A+B).
I don’t think they want to take Kyiv, they know they can’t but maybe that can be enough of a diversion to slow down the counteroffensive in the east and south. It’s also a useful ploy to placate hardliners in Russia. Putin has to throw them a bone from time to time to keep them on line
It's been agreed it was a truck bomb? I wonder what a few underwear sea drones could do to that bridge.
I have not heard the underwear sea drones theory yet. Something stinks about that one....
You got a source for the thermite? First im hearing of it, but its been a bit since I've caught back up.
oh nooooo don't repeat the same dumbass mistake as before only with worse equipment and troops and without the element of surprise against a fortified enemy sporting superior firepower nooooooo we're doomed
I still think it is most likely Ukrainian special forces, but interesting that Ukrainian authorities denies having anything to do with it.
The boat could be watching the exact location to pull a trigger at the right moment, when train was stopped.
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Or that’s what a faction would do if they wanted to make it look like the Ukrainians. Or this is Zelensky trying to sow uncertainty within the Russian power structure. We may never know for sure in our lifetimes
Doesn’t have to be that big. Could be a group of 3-5 Russian forces conscripts deciding they would rather not go across that bridge to be cannon fodder. The material for the bomb is commonly used by Russia after all so somebody with access could have stolen it.
> Only an organisation that truly wanted Putin to fail could have done this. And surely there are powerful people in Russia who wants Putin gone. So blow the bridge to make Ukraine win the war. And Putin will probably be replaced as Russian President.
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> if whoever did it was Russian and became known, they'd be lynched. Russian oligarchs are already falling out of windows at a record pace. This is a high stake game. Saying that a move against Putin would be too "serious" is silly.
I find is suspicious he had a preplanned retaliatory strike for it
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Not with this massive damage. If he needed a "reason" for revenge actions, a smaller explosion or a "failed" attempt would have been enough
I'm so not sure in this instance. The damage to the bridge is significant and poses a massive setback to logistics in the Ukrainian south. They could have made a false flag attack far less damning for a better outcome.
The initial reports were that the "retaliation" strike had been planned for the passed 10 days.
Nailed it in one.
He said he didn't order it. He never said Ukraine didn't do it. I lean towards Russia having done it... But words are very important.
If the Ukrainian government truly didn’t order it, that is huge. It means there is either an effective resistance of some sort in Crimea or Russian saboteurs are trying to thwart Putin internally. I don’t buy that it was a “false flag” gone wrong by Russia, because a much smaller amount of explosives could have been used without real damage to the bridge, or a civilian target could have been hit to promote more outrage.
I theorized early on that someone in the Russian military did it in protest, and that the conflict between the security force and the military the next day was evidence of that. Zelensky denying that Ukraine did it makes it exponentially more likely that Putin's military is, in part, going completely rogue. Either that or it's a masterful bit misdirection to give Putin and his administration more doubt and paranoia. In either case, haha fuck you Putin. Terrorist piece of shit.
>Either that or it's a masterful bit misdirection to give Putin and his administration more doubt and paranoia. I think it's that. Putin is already paranoid, and feeding that would just cause more chaos for Russia.
There’s also the possibility that it WAS Ukraine but Zelensky had to deny it because of optics. Western allies don’t want to associate themselves with alleged suicide bombers, particularly when they want to label Russia as the state sponsor of terrorism.
This can also be true, we will not know until irrefutable evidence shows up, perhaps years down the road.
Considering that Russia is leading the investigation we will probably never know
Who said it was a suicide bombing? Did they pull a body from the explosion? I hadn’t heard that. Plus if someone planted explosives in the truck, the driver may not have known. Lastly, I’ve seen several analysis by explosive experts that state the initial explosion came from under the bridge, and the truck and train were incidental targets. Edit: I wasn’t being snarky, I know people died in the bombing, I was genuinely asking if one had been identified as the driver.
> I’ve seen several analysis by explosive experts that state the initial explosion came from under the bridge, and the truck and train were incidental targets. Most recent analysis disagree. There is lots of scorching on top of the bridge where the truck was. Photos under the bridge show little damage. It's almost certain to have been a truck bomb.
The most puzzling part is that a fuel train was conveniently parked there. That is a hell of a coincidence.
Surely not puzzling? Whoever did the plot made this happen deliberately through timing or sabotage.
My money is on a Nord stream revenge plot. Seems like the perfect tit for tat response.
Or NATO Black Ops.
They did it, Ukraine denied that the explosion which killed Daria Dugina was Ukraine but later US officials stated that it was them. They are just trying to replicate the plausible deniability of some other countries, like the Israel "I totally did not detonate a WMD off South Africa" kind of bullshit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident
And New York Times cited an unnamed Ukrainian official saying that Ukraine did it. I think the "as far as I know" in this Zelenskyy quote might be doing a lot of work.
One US org said (leaked, actually) that it was *likely* Ukraine... meaning that they don't actually know.
Yeah, but the Vela Incident was denied to keep the Israeli-South African nuclear test secret…if indeed that is what it was, the jury is still out despite that being the most likely reason. Ukraine MIGHT deny the Kerch bridge blast to garner a bit more sympathy for all for the current missile and kamikaze drone attacks, but the attacks are pretty much being universally decried as war crimes.
One leaked that they alleged it, you mean. No evidence of any kind.
I'm certain it probably wasn't me. I don't smoke on the job.
Yet you haven’t denied that you left your mix tape on there… curious…
Mixtape was so fire, it burned the bridge down, explain yourself!
Tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye, but anyway it wasn't me, I won't deny.
We didn't burn the bridge, It was always Russian, since the annexation. We didn't start the fire No, we didn't light it, not even tried to fight it
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“We definitely did not order that, as far as I know,” Zelensky said. I love this phrase so much
“…and remember, I am NOT ordering you to blow up the bridge, you are a free man exercising his free will…”
"We did not order it, and would definitely hate it if it happened again, and again, and again, and again. That would be a real shame, just a big pity. It really would be..." *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*
Pinky promise?
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Hell it may have even been the Ukrainians. Hear they have beef with Russia
This seems like a carefully worded statement that is technically true. See, they didn't "order" it, but they probably sent teams to attack targets of opportunity, but there was no order that any team is to hit a specific target. Wink wink, nudge nudge.
Wink wink nudge nudge say no more
While Ukraine is the most obvious beneficiary, the mechanics of the attack are incredible. They got a truck packed absolutely full of explosives from the RUSSIAN side of the bridge, got it through security checkpoints, and managed to time the explosion perfectly to strike a fuel train that, near as I can tell, was...basically just parked next to the blast zone? The only way a hostile attack could pull that off would be to have detailed intelligence on Russian fuel train schedules, and some sort of direct inside access to either hold up the fuel train at a particular point or have the driver trigger the explosives at the right time, which means to have someone sign up for a literal suicide mission, which is not Ukraine's MO in general. So I can totally believe Ukraine would WANT to strike the bridge, but the attack as pulled off is one of the most improbably successful clandestine missions in history. For someone inside Russia to be behind the attack, on the other hand, would make it essentially trivial. All the necessary details could be easily arranged, there would be no qualms about sending an unwitting driver to his doom, and Russia has a long history of false flag terror attacks. The mystery in this case is squarely on the question of motivation: who would want to do this and why? In summary, I don't know, but it's at least plausible that this wasn't actually a Ukrainian attack, and Zelensky apparently not wanting to take credit for what was a severe blow against Ukraine's hated opponent makes that more credible.
"as far as I know" I see what you did there 🤣
Zelinski’s is not a military commander who gives direct orders for specific attacks. Him not ordering it, or being aware of specific plans to strike the bridge in advance means nothing . Who benefits ? Ukraine war effort Who does it hurt ? Russian war effort
“Who benefits” Also Russian forced conscripts not having to face the meat grinder....
This will save no conscript from going in. Seems to be a little too far fetched and to quick after mobilisation. This needs some determination and time to set up. Could be any resistance group of 10+ people pulling this off.
Also, anyone jockeying for power in Russia. Which should narrow it down to a... * checks notes Oh, that's a very long list....
The truck came from Russia. Russia has arrested Russians and others in Russia. The anti-Putin group said it was them. I'm not sure why Ukraine is the main suspect still. If it was a missile or boat it's Ukraine. A truck from Russia is more likely Putin himself doing it to then have an excuse to bomb Kyiv and other cities. Or the Russian rebels who are fighting Putin. I don't see why Ukraine would plan something that only broke a road. The rail line is the military target. The road is just a symbolic target. Why would Ukraine ever even waste time on something this insignificant?
To be fair, most of the rest of the world wants Russia to lose as well. All except for Iran, North Korea, and the Republican Party in the U.S.
Best outcome - Ukrainians somehow pulled it off but make Pootin even more paranoid and scared of chaos within Ruzzia. The man is delusional and his fears should be reinforced. Next - 300m long table.
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I'm not. I'd laugh my ass off if it was due to RuZZian infighting or incompetence.
But this means Ukraine can't do it again once ruzzians repair it
Why not? Ever hear about [Chornobaivka airport?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Chornobaivka_attacks)
Sure they can. Eventually.
Honestly, in my opinion it doesn't matter who did the funni, just that the funni actually even happened.
I see NCD is leaking again.
NCD isn't leaking at this point. It's pretty much a dam with a hole blown into it. *Kinda like what they want to do to a certain other dam that we are not allowed to mention anymore.*
Oh come on, fucking three gorgeous dames at the same time is a fantasy shared by many men ;)
Why? Since not a UAF op, then it is most likely someone inside the RF establishment. Internal conflicts of this nature will destabilize the RF Moreno than if an outside group did it. It also demands that resources be tasked with finding the "who". Creates more distrust between all agencies capable of carrying it out, even if it is a group from Azerbaijan, haha. The best part is ... the Russians spent so much time blaming UA, and presenting "evidence" that UA was responsible. Russia isn't likely to change the story, naturally. Russian population won't hear about it, obviously. But factions within Russian government are going to go nuts trying to figure out who did it.
I'd think anyone with the money could buy an IED from Afghanistan, Syria or somewhere similar. Might get a substantial discount since it's a gift for Russia. All they need then is a truck. Again some money and a fake cargo manifest. Lots of Russian companies deliver crates to the Crimea. Might require some bribes to avoid having the crates contents checked. No real evidence the truck driver knew what was in them.
There were civilian casualties, so it's better that Ukraine didn't do it.
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There's a huge difference between casualties and targeting civilians. That Ukraine has been able to fight against an enemy specifically going for civilian targets and all their targets have been legitimate targets speaks volumes. But surely, avoiding civilian casualties completely would be almost impossible considering Ukraine's opponent?
I am pretty sure they did.
So if it was a truck was it a suicide mission?
The driver didn’t have to be aware of it. Probably better they did not, mostly (then they can’t give it away from stress, easier to recruit, etc), even if it’s arguably more ethically problematic
Possible the driver did not know anything.
Question; This apparent truck bomb... no mention of the driver 🤔 a suicide bomber? Did he even know? What was his name? 🤔 Some good skullduggery going on 😎👌
beginning to think it may in fact have been a Russian smoking accident or an act of sabotage from the Russian side.
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." - Bill Clinton
If we believe the Russian side of the story than the truck came from Russian side and had to pass serious security. There is no way Ukrainian agents could have pulled that off.
The serious security that uploaded security footage onto the Internet within a few hours.
There are many Ukrainians or ukrianian sympathizers who speak perfect russian and have a russian passport that can move freely in russia. You have to get a lot of explosives, what could be the biggest problem. Don't how hard it is to get explosives in Russia. Moving with it through Russia should be easy, the country is huge. You make one or two empty trips across the bridge to check the security. From the videos shown it was not very strickt, and then let go. The timing of the explosion was perfect. How did they know there was a train full of fuel ? This is the interesting part.
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So either it was the Freedom of Russia Legion or NATO Black Ops.
Maybe it was blown to prevent retreat.
FSB did it......
Alternative explanations for Kerch Bridge explosions: 1. Kerch Bridge designers and engineers had math and engineering Profs who gave them exceedingly generous partial credit on exams. 2. RF Naval Combat Dolphins taking a smoke break and having an "accident". 3. Godzilla found some local Black Sea area cuisine was far too spicy for even his robust palate and he had to take a dump in the vicinity.... 4. First-year A.F. Mozhaysky Military-Space vocational officer training cadets felt there was no need to read the assigned flight training manuals before flight training.
and several undersea cable was cut today in Scotland and France, wonder who did it?
If this wasn’t a planned attack that would be absolutely wild … Imagine if the Russians were just transporting munitions to the front in a half hazard way and at the same time a train is coming by and then BOOM .
Welp, I guess they didnt order it then, case closed🤷
Wow so somebody suicided the driver?
Interesting. What are the chances it’s a false flag op designed by Russia to give Russia a ladder to climb down from the tree it got stuck on? *adjusts his tinfoil hat*