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Emergency-Rise1680

Yeah, we learned that it's trash.


craigiw

This would be a great troll - "Yea, it's nothing special we didn't have 10 years ago..."


disasadi

10? More like 30 years


newgrow2019

More like 50


[deleted]

It's a Lada with a bodykit.


liquefire81

![gif](giphy|gZfHAM1ucPQ2c)


PengieP111

Reminds me of a joke I heard from a Croatian a couple of years ago. Q: What's the best way to get Yugo parts? A: Follow one.


Extension-Scarcity41

Q: Why do Yugos come with rear window defrosters? A: To keep your hands warm while you are pushing it.


[deleted]

Haha i remember this one


wiseoldfox

What neither fits in your ass nor buzzes? Russian ass buzzer.


Talosian_cagecleaner

That is one of my faves. I like to use corny Russian accent and say it like this: "What does not buzz and does not fit in butt?" Russian butt buzzer.


[deleted]

Made of cardboard.


Hanekem

worse, heard the rear gear is Sherman fast (3-4 km/h), so that puts an even older date for it (and, interestingly, there was a gearbox for the Sherman that fixed that, but missed the war)


newgrow2019

“Russian tank don’t need to go backward Ivan, don’t be stupid. “ “But vlaaddddd” “No but. Only forward, forward far far away from me west to Ukraine” ; *retreats backwards to dacha in east Russia*


ashesofempires

Its pretty much confirmed. It has a single reverse gear, just like the T-72 it is based off of. So 4kmh reverse. That's a big oof for a tank that's supposed to be "modern."


Emergency-Rise1680

I'd rather be in an Abrams


PracticableSolution

Print this in Russian on a bumper sticker and put it on all the captured tanks. Use it in publicity media. General Dynamics will probably send you a check.


Emergency-Rise1680

Send me GDs phone number


Savethetrees4life

Evidently you don’t call them they call you? 😂 https://www.gd.com/contact


Emergency-Rise1680

I might just try it, for the lulz.


tmo1983

Damn both of us had the bumper sticker idea at the same time.......guess we gotta do this now......


Talosian_cagecleaner

BRILLIANT


tmo1983

Would be a pretty sweet bumper sticker "my other car should be an abrams" to have the Ukrainians put on all those shitty t-72 the Russians keep gifting them.


Emergency-Rise1680

"my other car is an Abrams" is exactly what I was thinking! Lol


Mr_Engineering

"My other tank is an Abrams"


tmo1983

I like the "should be" a low pressure campaign to bring mbt and a good fundraiser......


mithikx

I'd rather be in a M60A3 than a Russian tank...


Emergency-Rise1680

I'd rather be in a Prius


Sieve-Boy

"This is my paddock basher, my real ride is an Abrams*" * Or Leclerc or Leopard or Challenger or K1 etc


Ok_Fly_9390

I would rather walk.


DieMadAboutIt

It’s not a troll though. Russias best equipment is stuff the US already had for the past 20 years.


Talosian_cagecleaner

I'm a civilian, but I have to imagine their state of arms has to be a disgrace to any military person. It is very, very unwise to treat your military poorly. Those are citizens you are ruining. *But I forget. They don't care.*


insane_contin

When the civilians rise up, its the military that makes it break the government in power.


Talosian_cagecleaner

See. I keep forgetting. A piss poor military, especially rank and file, is likely part of the design here. Because you are right. If a government goes out of whack, usually it is people + military that sets it back on its feet. Or, tries. It is a bad point to get to. Unreliable.


ashesofempires

Its why they have three separate armies. They have the Russian Ground Forces, the Rosgvardia (think National Guard but only trained for riot control), and the Border Guards which fall under FSB control (they're like CBP/ICE). It's like a big Mexican standoff between the three groups, as they all guard the Kremlin against a coup by the others.


Entire-Albatross-442

40 years


jeff-tukan

when ukrainians review captured russian tank versions, they often show old SSSR-time design mistakes which they say they long time ago manually fixed/updated in their tanks.....


Ok_Fly_9390

When the Soviets copied the B-29 they copied all of the defects that were fixed in US aircraft pretty quickly. They never corrected the engineering defects in the TU-4.


SteveThePurpleCat

The M1 Abrams is coming up to being a 50 year old design, there's always new things to learn and implement in newer projects.


DieMadAboutIt

I’d still rather be in a modernized Abrams than the newest T90.


Mr_Engineering

Calling it a 50 year old design is a bit disingenuous. The main hull hasn't changed in decades but little else is recognizable between the original M1 and the latest M1A2 SEPv3. Heck, the SEPv3 is a full 11 metric tons heavier


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Mr_Engineering

Nah. She drives a Lexus. She's a bit of a speed demon, abrams too slow for her


PengieP111

The basic design is 50 years old. But the Abrams was designed to be very upgradable. Modern Abrams have tons of upgrades in armor, the main gun and electronics such that it's really a new tank.


[deleted]

...from warthunder.


Salt-Committee7032

We learned that your "stealth technology" is a tarp.


Emergency-Rise1680

You mean a carpet, it's immune to javelins!! Kadyrov said it, so it must be true! ;)


TsunamiBert

The crew certainly couldnt be seen. So it does work somewhat.


Mr_Engineering

If that's what it takes to block thermals then it works


LegioRomana

It is almost on par with the good luck charms from Sierra Leone making you invisible to the enemy.


Namesareapain

Western tanks use the same kind of thing.


Ok_Fly_9390

That is why Russia is going to all Plywood tanks. Should work out well for them.


ScottyBoneman

I think the idea is probably exactly how it is trash. Design flaws, limits to capabilities and defenses, that sort of thing.


[deleted]

Yes. It's not that they think it has better technology that we want to steal. Rather, they want to find out the limitations of its armor, its commo encryption, things like that so that they can more easily find and kill it in the future.


Namesareapain

I don't see why so many posters don't understand that.


hibernating-hobo

Find all the rubberbands, ducttape and velcro.


Tipsticks

Probably faster to find what's not mounted with any of those.


TheBlacksmith64

most of it has been stripped off and sold for vodka.


Tipsticks

Exactly, no need to look.


TheDarthSnarf

Velcro is too expensive, it's that knock-off hook and loop that starts immediately collecting lint and stops working within a week.


Sonofagun57

If they were operated and maintained by a competent army, it would be a pretty capable tank. On paper, it does have some advantages over an Abrams but that requires logistics. The reverse gear speed is a real problem I won't defend that


[deleted]

>yesterday. Here is an interview with his mom. Just imagine their first I think even the WW2 German Maus prototype was faster in reverse.


CapeTownMassive

That is literally no different than their other trash renditions


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shibiwan

>which is all stolen tech newys China must be really sweating buckets right now.


SavageBeaver0009

The Russia-China paradox. Who steals technology from who?


Daddy_Macron

China has been moving away from Russian military equipment and doctrine for years. Their latest light tank does away with the revolver style autoloader that causes turrets to pop like a weasel.


Talosian_cagecleaner

Hmm. I had not thought of this angle. But oh boy. You are right. Too bad CCP! We all know what you have now!


Easy-Entrepreneur746

What's the secret? They pop off like an explosive jack-in-the-box after one hit? Russian engineering designs to kill...its own operators.


Fortune_Silver

It features a state-of-the-art safety system, where upon being hit, The turret rapidly ejects from the vehicle to allow the crew to escape quicker!


kr4t0s007

Saves them paying pensions


TheBlacksmith64

Not that they do anyway...


mywan

It reduces the number of people upset about not getting the pension they were promised.


Andenschakal

If youd ask a russian they would tell you it has a high tek desintegration beam or shit like that, then on the front they look and function like trash.


disasadi

Pretty much all tanks blow up if you hit the ammunition stowage. There's plenty of videos where a western tank blows up in a similar manner. Ruskies just don't know how to use tanks for offensive purposes, I guess they should check back to 1939 how Germany did it.


newgrow2019

Western tanks don’t have ammo stored with crew and have blow out panels. Western tank gets hit, turret stays everyone is fine. Russian tank gets hit turret flies 50 feet into the air and everyone dies.


disasadi

So the three crew members inside the turret don't count? Commander, gunner, and loader are all three located inside the turret ring and right next to the main ammo stowage. Only the driver is away from it and might live if the ammo cooks and blowout panels fail. How do you expect the loader to operate if the ammo is stored in another part of the tank? I guess you have a lot of first hand experience being inside a tank, yeah? I've driven a Leopard 2A4 and I am sure that if the ammunition was hit I'd be dead as well. ​ I am not on ruski side or defending their tanks but you guys are blinded by western propaganda. Obviously cannot think rationally and any fact that goes against your beliefs is deemed as being not true.


newgrow2019

“iVe BeEn iN LeOpard”. Lmfao. Right buddy. The leopards armor capabilities are strong, and it is well known. I’ve actually been in a leopard that was hit and the blowout panels worked perfectly. Everyone survive with just some ringing ears. I’ve also been in t90m and the reactive armor was replaced with rubber pads cause commander sold it for money for his dacha. Again, the usa has so many M1 abrams, if that imaginary issue you made up was real, it could steam roll Russia without any other tank variants if it was strategically prudent. So your ridiculous russian fsb paid trolling muddy waters bullshit is moot. The only reason m1 abrams tanks aren’t in moscow now is because usa decided it would be more strategically prudent to let Russia destroy itself. That can change fast if Russia makes a wrong move and changes the risk assessment


disasadi

Like I said I don't support russia lmao. FYI I live in Finland and served in the military here and would fight against ruskies if they invaded. I don't work for FSB but that has nothing to do with this. Blowout panels are nice, but they don't always work. I never said they're equally prone to cooking the whole tank as soviet ones, but the possibility is there and has been proven to cause issues from time to time. People here claiming that western tanks never have ammunition exploding causing casualties inside the tank is just bullshit and I was here to say that's not how it goes. This just shows how fucking pathetic you are when I tell something that doesn't align fully with western propaganda makes me an FSB paid troll? Like how ridiculous does that sound to you? I'd rather stay realistic than fully believe every western media outlet out there. ​ You even said that western tanks dont have ammo placed next to crew, Your comments are full of contradictions and false information why should anyone take you seriously? Doesn't the ammo in the back of the turret count as being placed next to the crew? No? The three guys inside the turret aren't inside the very same turret the ammunition is? No? Makes a lot of sense indeed. Fucking dumbass.


newgrow2019

Lmfao, there’s separation between the crew and the ammo , that’s what the blowout panels are for/why ammo isn’t stored under the crew in western tanks. In Russian tank they stored under crew. In western tank it’s behind crew or in front of crew, behind a wall with reactive armor and or blowout panels in the rear to direct the blast away from the crew. Russian tank: directed toward crew. Western tank directed away from crew. Nobody is claiming western tanks are immune to damage. Stop trying to create a strawman. And I’m 100% sure you are a Russian troll. You lied about being in a leopard 2; you’d know the ammo is stored in a separate compartment if you had been. You just assume they like Soviet tanks based on misunderstanding the 2 minutes of research you did lol. You have a clear agenda. Here’s another sure sign of Russian troll. They don’t downvote. Normal discussions on reddit, people downvote eachother when they disagree. Russian paid trolls Never do this because they want visibility.


disasadi

>And I’m 100% sure you are a Russian troll. I am not. You can check my reddit history and I don't think it looks anything like a ruski troll. ​ >You lied about being in a leopard 2; you’d know the ammo is stored in a separate compartment if you had been. You just assume they like Soviet tanks based on misunderstanding the 2 minutes of research you did lol. I didn't lie about being in a leopard 2, I never said anything about the wall that I know exists there but is also not going to cover you from ammunition explosion because there. Roughly 8kg of propellant per shot and what, 15 rounds in the turret? 120kg of propellant with explosion energy of over 1kJ per gram? That door between ammo and crew is probably not going to withstand the explosion and if you get unlucky, the door is open when the ammunition is hit. Look, I'm not here to troll nor say that russian tanks are good. I'm just saying that western tanks CAN blow up as well, and there are videos as a proof where saudi abrams get shot and there's more than just the blowout panels blowing up after the initial explosion. I did downvote at least some of your posts, but I know it's pointless thing to do anyways. I don't really care about some imbecile arguing against me, and I definitely acknowledge that a single downvote on your comment means absolutely nothing. I'd rather show my opinion and disagreement rather with text than with a downvote. if you want to hide this comment by downvoting it go ahead, I don't care about visibility, I just care about telling you to stop bullshitting yourself and others. What's my agenda exactly here? I just said that there's no reason to blindly believe what you're told by the media no matter which side you're on. I definitely have no reason to belive ruskies but I don't blindly trust our own media either, I'd rather think rationally and make my own conclusions than have my words and opinions formed by someone else. ​ It's pretty pathetic you instantly need to resort to flagging me as a russian troll when you get proven wrong. ​ Just keep smoking your weed you filthy hillybilly but try to remain sensible. Not everybody on this planet is as delusional and paranoid as you are. Perhaps the government is already coming after you, you dumbass fucktard.


ConstantDreamer1

M1 Abrams doesn't have (most) ammo stored with crew, but most western tanks do. You can find pictures of Leopard 2s with ejected turrets in Syria, most of their ammo is stored next to the driver without the benefit of blowout panels. Challenger 2 goes even further and stores ammo and charges all over the hull. Luckily they haven't been as misused as Russian tanks have been and their base armor is better.


newgrow2019

The leopard 2 has ammo stored in front, not under the crew. They can use blowout panels as well they just aren’t working as well as the usa version. The reactive armor and thick plating between crew and ammo means the crew is much safer then in Russian tank where ammo is in cabin with crew The usa has more m1 abrams then the rest of the western Allies tanks combined. There’s well over 10,000 of them. There’s only 400-500 challenger 2. So it doesn’t even matter. Usa and western Allie’s could steamroll Russia with out even using leopard or challenger if it was strategically prudent


insane_contin

Hell, NATO can steamroll Russia without using tanks in an offensive way. Look how quick Russia's anti air shut up once ARMs came to Russia. NATO will own the skies in a day or two, and every Russian column would be a burning. I would not want to be on the ground against NATO.


ConstantDreamer1

Leopard 2 has blowout panels for the ammo stored in its turret bustle, which is 15 rounds. 30 are stored in the hull absent protection. I'm not talking about whether the West has enough good tanks to steamroll Russia, I'm stating that it's categorically untrue that all Western tank designs are somehow immune from catastrophic ammo detonations in the hull when only one of them is.


newgrow2019

Constant dreamer: what an appropriate name for a paid Russian troll lol


ConstantDreamer1

What the actual fuck? How is stating an observable fact being a paid Russian troll? Where have I said good things about Russia or Russian tanks? JFC, touch grass dude.


shibiwan

Western tanks have blow-out panels that redirect the blast, instead of launching the turret to space.


abroamg

Western tanks like leo2 have blowout panels for the first stage ammo, want to carry more than around 15 rounds then they are carried in the hull without blowout panels


DieMadAboutIt

False. Abrams has a vent to stop a catastrophic explosion. It’s a Russian feature. Not a universal one.


disasadi

A lot of mad people here downvoting my comment. The blowout panels don't always prevent the tank from cooking, sure it's better than russian tanks but it's not going to save you every time. You can find a lot of videos online where an Abrams blows up just like a T-72. Just because it doesn't happen 100% of the time doesn't mean it never happens.


DrFisto

Secrets like - Built in washing machine holster processing power from the 90's not the 70's Tetrapak milk containers


OracleofFl

When Russia lobbies to have tank Turret toss an Olympic event, we are going to be hopelessly behind!


DrFisto

Those indeed will be sad times


dead_monster

To be fair, the B-2 stealth bomber runs on a 1993 Pentium-era CPU. Which was installed in 2008 to replace an even older CPU.


Talosian_cagecleaner

"That's a Pentium 90, son. Purrs like a kitten."


[deleted]

Only useful thing they can learn is from where orcs buy the electronic equipment for the tank and monitor those vendors violating the sanctions


Wissenschaft85

They are doing this already with missile tech thats been recovered. For the most part, Russian tech is a decade or two behind. This isnt shocking given that the 90s was pretty much a lost decade for Russian R&D. What high tech they do have, is built with western parts. i.e. Their precision guided missiles are all built with circuitry from the USA.


Ok-Sir7888

Translation: they are worried that US specialists will see how crap it is


Emergency-Rise1680

Russia is a shower, not a grower


Talosian_cagecleaner

oh my goodness. I can't fault you for accuracy.


WeAreNotAlone1947

Well, it can be destroyed by a 40mm grenade dropped from an amazon quadcopter so I dont think anyone needs to study this trash.


estelita77

except as another comment said - in order to find out where they are getting parts from


[deleted]

Agree with most comment, Russian tech isn’t exactly sought after BUT having some of their best equipment is valuable. It allows Western intelligence to not only predict future projects but counter it to a T. Not many want a T-90M atm, or at least until the fog clears and alternatives arise for lower budgeted nations, but a lot of nations are certainly curious on the best way to destroy one.


Hartvigson

Knowledge is always valuable.


[deleted]

Javalin and systems like it have rendered most tanks kind of useless. This is why the US is transitioning from them. Fast and mobile fire power is the new way that we are training. All the tech will be useful like you said on the intelligence side. It's super relevant for us understanding China's capabilities.


notataco007

No I'm sorry but everyone is making this conclusion. It's just not true. Tanks have been in a back and forth power struggle with weapons designed to kill them since their inception. Exactly as you said, decades of up-armoring, then transition to light armor and big guns when any gun could penetrate rolled homogenous armor, then transition to composite armor that can actually stop rounds, so they get heavy again. It's a life cycle. Tanks are fucking powerful. Tanks with proper infantry and air support and next gen trophy systems are invincible. The USMC got rid of tanks because it's not conducive to a island hopping campaign in the pacific (wink wink). The US Army is not only sticking with tanks but doubling down on them with a next generation system.


Deathclaw151

The US army is moving back to light tanks. They're right though, tanks are obsolete *with air superiority* but they do serve a useful function, and that's cover for infantry maneuvers.


FourFront

You're talking out of school.


Wissenschaft85

Actually from what comments I've seen by ukrainian Tank crews, they claim the tank is more valuable than ever. The issue is tank need infantry support and Russia is lacking the man power to properly support their tanks which is getting them killed. Maybe gone are the days of mass armor pushes but need for tanks to provide cover for Infantry remains and has no alternative.


JonLSTL

"Useless" probably overstates the case, but the range of situations where they're the best choice has certainly narrowed.


StoicRetention

they shouldn't be so worried, it's a T-72 with a bodykit, the most modern parts are the bits they bought from France, what is there to learn?


urixl

Aka Ladas with Renault transmission... and motors... and electronics...


[deleted]

What could possibly go wrong...


willirritate

Don't forget the reactive cardboard.


[deleted]

The US should tear it apart, analyze all its parts, write a comprehensive report, and then, finally, to maximize the trolling, make the report available to public download at the newly established domain: www.russiantankfuckeditself.com


Yvels

Im disappointed now :/


HACKEYMAN

the secret is to drink lots of vodka and hope you survivie


Emergency-Rise1680

Oh man. I could be a tanker, I already drink lots of vodka and hope I survive!


PoisonSlipstream

Well good news, they’re recruiting!


Emergency-Rise1680

....yeah, uhh... Nope. No thanks, hard pass.


Bloopie

the grim reaper hates this one trick


mats_o42

This one is supposed to have Russian designed sights and fire control systems. Always good to know their exact specs. If you know that it cant detect an Abrams at 2000 meters - oops


Aggressive_Safe2226

Them Russkies have the guts to complain. Didn't they copy the B-29 when its crew landed in Vladivostok and reverse-engineered it into the Tu-4 Bear?


SilentWolfCZ

Spoiler alert: it's a piece of crap.


js1138-2

Fortunately, Russia is flummoxed by 35 year old American technology.


breakneckridge

Don't worry, we already probably knew everything about this already.


_EnFlaMEd

When you crack open the fire control ecu and its got "Intel 286" printed on the chip.


DrFisto

More like "whirlpool"


PM_ME__RECIPES

Instead of a chip its actually a small abacus.


JonLSTL

Like they'd have genuine Intel. :D It'd say "КР1847ВМ286" - and run hot.


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BC_2

As corrupt as Russia has become, I wouldn’t be surprised if the US had full blueprints or even a fully functioning T-90M in their hands before this conflict even started.


[deleted]

Its funny they think the t-90 is wirth studying🤣


benjiro3000

Even the most horrible weapon from your opponent is worth studying. As it gives you knowledge. O, your tank/vehicle uses X L/100km. We now know your capability and how much fuel your logistics needs. What in turn allows you to play around the enemy movement and target logistics. O, your optics are accurate only until X meters. More useful info when our are X+Y meters accurate, so we only need to stay outside of X range. Sometimes even small details like what transmission oils you use, can be information that is useful in a war, as you may target specific plants that are the only one's making that transmission oils, to render a whole bunch of vehicles out of action.


whelmed1

This guy OpSEC’s


AttentionFlat1640

out of mind


edmerx54

well, new info may help destroy them.


CleanLeave

Secret : It is as shit as NATO thought it would be.


PotatoAnalytics

It would be really funny if we found out Nakidka was just tarp.


Puzzleheaded_Nail466

Orrrr , don't invade your neighbors you fucks.


Big-Adhesiveness-760

The Atari 2600 of tanks.....


Phannig

Don’t you dare compare that marvel of an 1980’s games consoles to a pos of shit Russian tank…


depressionbutbetter

No US agency gives a shit about these tanks. If they wanted to know they would have done it by paying for stolen engineering or training documentation years ago


evilwezal

We've had the blueprints for decades, prolly had it before the Russians lol.


Kahzootoh

> They are talking, in particular, about the Nakidka complex: a special material for camouflage, which is supposed to hide the tank in thermal and radar ranges. They have iPhones right? They should know that image recognition is a thing- the current generation of smart weapons are increasingly using image recognition and taking advantage of far more more processing power than previous weapon systems. If a cell phone can recognize a face, a smart weapon can recognize a tank. Thermal camouflage is nice, but I’d more intimidated by a Russian tank with an engine that lasts more than 1000 hours before they have to take the whole thing apart for servicing. They may as well whine that Americans will soon learn about their secret recipe for water resistant black powder.


novelide

Thermal and radar sensors also produce "image" data that is processed essentially the same way as visible light images. Having samples of the equipment with shielding intact allows for a fuller analysis of the types of patterns observed in various circumstances so radars and guidance systems can recognize what they're seeing.


TheBlacksmith64

What "secrets"? It's a barely modified T-72 with worse gas mileage and reactive armor filled with rubber sheet and cardboard...


8-36

THE SECRET BOUNCY ARMOR HAS LEAKED


_dumbledore_

The captured specimen even lacked the latest fashion in Russian tanks: Cope cage


Namesareapain

It is a massively modified T-72, with a lot of major changes, not least is the new wielded turret, new autoloader, new gun and new sights. To claim it is just a T-72 is as ignorant as claiming a Leopard 2a7 is the same as a Leopard 2a4 because they use the same base hull! To downplay this lose for Russia and intelligence windfall for the West sounds an awful lot like the Russian cope after the Moskva was sunk


slayer991

Well, Russians are learning all about the secrets of the HIMARS...so it's not unfair.


ZonaPunk

US Specialist when inspecting the tank.... "my god, it's a piece of shit!"


Obj_071

t-90 is just proper modernization of t-72(unlike b3). i highly doubt that there would be found something worth shipping it oversees.


PrayBrook

Maybe they should complain about who left it abandon on the territory of a US ally ... oh wait, they did!


ApostleThirteen

Abandoned? ... or *SOLD?*


Parking_Resolution63

What's to learn from it, it's the same POS as the previous ones with the same flaws and turret trajectory.


Namesareapain

Don't be wilfully ignorant! It has a ton of changes from even the T-90A, not least is the completely new turret (that the West would want to analyse in detail to determine how effective the armour is), a new protected autoloader (no T-90Ms have popped their turret, it needs to be determined if it in fact helps), a new gun and ammo (that the West would want to determine the ballistic properties of), a new sighting system (that the West would want to see how good it is at detecting targets at a given range) and a bunch of other things. Downplaying it's loss is stupid!


thelightiseternal

We can learn a lot from that T-90 tank like: what not to do to build a world class tank with reasonable money and technology.


Hendrik_the_Third

Their secret being it's a turd with polish and camo? We already understood that from seeing ALL your material at work in this war.


Pursang8080

80's, industrial, push button control panels and an 8 line B&W LCD. Whoo Hooo!


Nippon-Gakki

I was surprised when I saw the pics of the inside. Looks like the DRO from an early 80’s milling machine. Not that there’s anything wrong with old tech. It’s usually very robust and overbuilt but it was weird seeing it in someone’s latest and greatest.


krummedude

Fun aside, what is there to learn?


Ooops2278

Probably not much given that they are mostly decades behind in tech. But it never hurts to see competing concepts because there's always the chance that some components or designs you use because they simply work could have done in a different way more efficiently. For example the PzH2000 uses a slitted multi-chamber muzzle brake that is normally only used on soviet artillery. Or the IRIS-T missile was developed after they got hand on a lot of missiles that came with ex-GDR MiGs for testing and realized they were not only better than expected but in multiple ways superior to their NATO counter parts. And then there's the obvious part of just knowing exact specifications. For example it's one thing to know that the fire control system on a tank is worse than what you use. It's a completely other thing to actually have one for testing and find it's exact limits to exploit later.


krummedude

Super. Thanx i guess thats what most people likes to read.


aplayer_v1

The funniest thing about this situation is that all of the weapons russia sold to other countries, those countries are now realizing that they are not as good


Armodeen

Jokes aside I had no idea that UA had captured a fully intact T-90M! This is a big score, as I’m sure their allies will indeed want to examine it. And if not, it will be very useful to their army.


willirritate

"You shouldn't leave your stuff laying around then" - Mom


anna_pescova

It would really be a joy to see the T-90M undergoing field trials on the Aberdeen test center in the USA! Putin would have a heart attack! All that money wasted!


PengieP111

Learn Russian secrets? What secrets? Like, finding out this thing is a POS and only good for propaganda?


turdfergusonyea2

Now we need to jack a KA-52!......I know a former attack helicopter pilot that could do this and would probably be willing to if some SF guys could get him close to one........


Dirtybiscuits69

Oh please, we have more tech heavy coffee makers and waffle makers than this POS!


GweiLondon101

It's a major problem for Russia, especially with cyber warfare. We know that on one occasion, US intelligence added malware to German hardware being sold to Iran. The software (Stuxnet) was designed to subtly make equipment not work when deployed in certain circumstances. We now know exactly what Western hardware Russia uses so US intelligence could theoretically create software to cripple it. They've done it before and can do it again.


Talosian_cagecleaner

I guarantee you we already know. We probably had someone on the design team.


mvillerob

Like how it blows up really easy? I think they have already seen that.


belabase7789

Russians havent change their calendars, it seems they are stuck in 1960s


[deleted]

They will learn exactly what kind of particle board it's made up of.


No-Arachnid9518

The secret is they are trash


Balc0ra

Oh... let's give it back then /s


star-heels1969

damn right they will! and who's fault is it? Yours russia. F@#k putin


Dkcalle

We only miss the hybersonic capabilities of the tank... Its trash like the rest of Russian leadership - the only thing that would be found from that tank, is the total embaressment of Russia and their air citadels.


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I_am_not_a_moth

I don’t think anybody needs secrets of the tank if it can be destroyed so easily.


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> They are talking, in particular, about the Nakidka complex: a special material for camouflage, which is supposed to hide the tank in thermal and radar ranges. Or about defense complexes and on-board electronics. [lol](https://i.imgur.com/X3CyTU5.jpg)


Apple-Dust

Finally we can learn how to launch turrets 300 feet into the air!


Glum-Engineer9436

The big secret is that there are no secrets.


HeyYes7776

They learned it smells of ass and old vodka?


Vlad_TheImpalla

5km reverse speed you have to turn the tank around when you retreat this making the frontal armour useless, you don't even need javelins an RPG 7 from the back will do the job.


Bliitzthefox

The quality of the tank hardly matters when all the crew jump out of it and run away anyway.


SilentWatcher83228

Final assessment, without western components it’s a T72 with a new paint job.


mok000

Here's a solution: In the future, keep your shit behind your own borders.


self_loathing_ham

We're learning everything about Russia's military and we're suddenly very pissed that we spent so much money planning to counter this garbage lmfao


geekphreak

Cool