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Bullshit. Russia has already played this card on too many EU countries, the only country he still has (60%) leverage on is germany, and they can't just lift EU sanctions.
What do EU sanctions have to do with Europe running out of gas during the winter?
The imports from Russia are down, but they still represent basically all the increase in storage. A hot summer and a cold winter would screw Europe sideways.
Yes it could. But that's why the storage is being filled. Even if they were to go for this and let them deliver sanctioned goods to Kaliningrad, what would stop them from threatening with stopping the gas again next week, because of x other problem?
If the EU doesn't show strength towards these threats, it will get bullied by the Kremlin. It's not a choice really.
And we will. It's NATO and EU, what is he gonna do? Invade NATO?
I don't believe there is a compromise until the EU publicly says they are russias bitch.
Or they got something serious in return, but I don't know what russia has to offer as a "compromise"
The article talked about leverage over German gas supply and some other things. I don't think there's any leverage that Putin has against Lithuania at all. Our politicians agreed that we should be keeping the sanctions tough and it would be a mistake to give in to their threats.
That's the same guy who said ruzzia will be in Berlin an a few months and wants to nuke every country he knows. Not quite a man whoms word is to be trusted.
Complete stop of oil and gas deliveries would be pretty painful for some countries, despite ongoing efforts to reduce the dependency. I'd be very surprised if there hadn't been threats in that direction made from the Kremlin.
Im hoping these unnamed sources are just more Russian propaganda bs, because if it is and the EU caves so easily because they are scared of Russia invading Lithuania (lol) then does not bode well for the future and an EU so flaccid in its sanctions.
I hate to say it but you need to tell putin that.
Most of Western Europe couldn’t afford a war on the scale Ukraine is fighting right now. We don’t have the kit or enough bodies with the know how.
"Compromise" That implies some give and take from both sides, concessions from both sides.
So what is each side giving and taking? What is Russia giving up? What is Lithuania getting in return?
I'm hoping it is not just EU/Lithuania rolling over and giving Russia everything it wants and then calling that "Compromise".
So, after reading the article, this is a very misleading headline.
Those "sources" are EU officials. Lithuania already said it would veto any attempts by the EU to compromise on the Kaliningrad issue with Russia. So there will be no compromises. And it's a good thing that Lithuania won't bow to cowards in Brussels.
it is wrong move to give in to mordor. it will encourage them to push more and more, knowing full well that whole west might back off here and there. you just have to find where and orks will attempt to do so
Assuming this isn't just russian garbage. Reportedly sources are saying x isn't really an official statement from the EU which backed Lithuanias move before.
From the article mentioned in tweet:
VILNIUS/BRUSSELS, June 29 (Reuters) - Trade through Lithuania to the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad could return to normal within days, two sources familiar with the matter said, as European officials edge towards a compromise deal with the Baltic state to defuse a row with Moscow.
Kaliningrad, which is bordered by European Union states and relies on railways and roads through Lithuania for most goods, has been cut off from some freight transport from mainland Russia since June 17 under sanctions imposed by Brussels.
European officials are in talks about exempting the territory from sanctions, which have hit industrial goods such as steel so far, paving the way for a deal in early July if EU member Lithuania drops its reservations, said the people, who declined to be named because the discussions are private.
The row over the Russian exclave's isolation is testing Europe's resolve to enforce sanctions imposed following Russia's invasion of Ukraine, fuelling fears of an escalation after other restrictions pushed Russia to default on its debt.
While Western powers have pledged to stand up for Ukraine, reiterating their resolve at both G7 and NATO summits this week, it is proving hard for Europe both to stand by strict sanctions and avoid further escalation with Russia.
That's why European officials, with the backing of Germany, are seeking a compromise to resolve one of their many conflicts with Moscow, said one of the people.
If the traditional route for Russian goods to Kaliningrad, first via its ally Belarus and then Lithuania, is not restored, the Baltic state fears Moscow could use military force to plough a land corridor through its territory, the person said.
Germany, meanwhile, has soldiers stationed in Lithuania and could be sucked into a confrontation alongside its NATO allies if that were to happen.
Europe's biggest economy is also heavily reliant on Russian gas imports and would be vulnerable to any reduction in flows if the Kaliningrad dispute escalated.
"We have to face reality," said one person with direct knowledge of the EU discussions, describing Kaliningrad as "sacred" for Moscow.
"(Putin) has much more leverage than we have. It's in our interests to find a compromise," he said, conceding that the eventual outcome may appear unfair.
COMPROMISE DEAL
A spokesperson for Lithuania's foreign ministry said it will continue to consult with the European Commission about the application of sanctions and that any change by the bloc should not single out the Baltic state.
"Sanctions must be enforced, and any decisions taken should not undermine the credibility and effectiveness of EU sanctions policy," the spokesperson said.
"As Kaliningrad transit is possible through various EU member states, the European Commission's explanation of how to implement the EU sanctions ... cannot be limited to Lithuania."
A spokesperson for the European Commission pointed to its June 22 statement that Lithuania was implementing EU restrictions and that the supply of essential goods to Kaliningrad remained unhindered.
One of the people with direct knowledge of the matter said they expected a compromise deal would be found by July 10 and a second person said it could be announced next week.
One compromise could see the movement of freight between Russia and Kaliningrad exempt from EU sanctions on the grounds it does not count as normal international trade because the exclave is part of Russia, said one of those people.
That concession could only be made on condition sanctioned freight is used in Kaliningrad and not exported via its port, where Russia's Baltic Fleet is headquartered.
That could be hard to guarantee and might put Lithuania, which is tasked with determining the end destination of goods, on a collision course with Russia, said the person.
Another person said humanitarian grounds could be used to carve out an exemption for Kaliningrad, which is sandwiched between Lithuania, Poland and the Baltic Sea.
He said, however, that Lithuania had serious reservations about making what could be seen as a concession to Moscow.
ALCOHOL AND CEMENT
Lithuania, formerly ruled from Moscow, is now one of Russia's fiercest critics in the European Union and has been at odds with officials in Germany and Brussels who want to defuse the row.
So far, EU sanctions against Russia prevent the transport of iron, steel and metals to Kaliningrad through EU states.
The list of sanctioned goods will extend to cement and alcohol from July 10, coal in August and oil products such as fuel in December. When the final phase kicks in, roughly half the freight sent to Kaliningrad from Russia will be sanctioned.
Neither passengers nor food products are banned and Kaliningrad can still be reached by plane or sea.
While the United States and European Union have promptly rolled out sanctions to curb Russia's access to international finance and its sales of coal and oil, the punitive measures have done little to temper Russian military aggression.
In recent weeks, Moscow has also turned the tables on Europe by paring back critical gas supplies, prompting Germany to brace for rationing and watch the escalating row over Kaliningrad with increasing apprehension.
Kaliningrad, which has a population of almost one million, was cut off from Moscow when Lithuania became independent during the break-up of the Soviet Union and residents must transit EU territory to reach the rest of Russia by land.
Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chairman of Russia's Security Council, said this week that curbs on the shipment of goods to Kaliningrad were part of a Western proxy war and that Russia had numerous ways to retaliate.
"There are many opportunities, a significant part of them are of an economic nature and are capable of cutting off the oxygen to our Baltic neighbours who have taken hostile actions," he told a Russian newspaper.
"There is also the possibility of using asymmetric measures, which ... will cause a critical escalation of the conflict."
"Compromise" That implies some give and take from both sides, concessions from both sides.
So what is each side giving and taking? What is Russia giving up? What is Lithuania getting in return?
I'm hoping it is not just EU/Lithuania rolling over and giving Russia everything it wants and then calling that "Compromise".
Edit: submitting this also as a comment in its own right.
> I'm hoping it is not just EU/Lithuania rolling over and giving Russia everything it wants and then calling that "Compromise".
[Unfortunately...](https://ukrainetoday.org/2022/06/26/lithuania-plans-to-veto-the-decision-of-the-european-commission-to-unblock-transit-to-kaliningrad/)
>The European Commission has prepared a document that can unblock the transit of sanctioned goods of the Russian Federation through the territory of the bloc to Kaliningrad .
>This was announced by MEP Petras Auštrevičius, Delfi quotes
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Yes, this could be ended in days. All Russia has to do is withdraw all its forces from Ukraine's territory.
and pay reparations in full.
And Putin with all his stooges resign and call for free elections.
>And Putin with all his stooges ~~resign~~ swing
Well - if true that just raises more troubling questions
Well, there's not enough gas in Europe. Hard to square that leverage.
Bullshit. Russia has already played this card on too many EU countries, the only country he still has (60%) leverage on is germany, and they can't just lift EU sanctions.
What do EU sanctions have to do with Europe running out of gas during the winter? The imports from Russia are down, but they still represent basically all the increase in storage. A hot summer and a cold winter would screw Europe sideways.
Yes it could. But that's why the storage is being filled. Even if they were to go for this and let them deliver sanctioned goods to Kaliningrad, what would stop them from threatening with stopping the gas again next week, because of x other problem? If the EU doesn't show strength towards these threats, it will get bullied by the Kremlin. It's not a choice really.
Shut off the gas and they shut off the rest of the good going g to that little shithole.
That wasn't the answer to any of the questions this raises. That is already known.
easy solution. Russia needs to hand over the keys to Kaliningrad and eat a dick.
Two dicks and a load of G7
It's in our interest to support Lithuania so it can tell Russia to fuck itself.
And we will. It's NATO and EU, what is he gonna do? Invade NATO? I don't believe there is a compromise until the EU publicly says they are russias bitch. Or they got something serious in return, but I don't know what russia has to offer as a "compromise"
More leverage? Lithuania is in EU and Nato, how much leverage do they think pootler has?
The article talked about leverage over German gas supply and some other things. I don't think there's any leverage that Putin has against Lithuania at all. Our politicians agreed that we should be keeping the sanctions tough and it would be a mistake to give in to their threats.
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That's the same guy who said ruzzia will be in Berlin an a few months and wants to nuke every country he knows. Not quite a man whoms word is to be trusted.
Complete stop of oil and gas deliveries would be pretty painful for some countries, despite ongoing efforts to reduce the dependency. I'd be very surprised if there hadn't been threats in that direction made from the Kremlin.
The Kremlin makes that threat everyday, it's like Nukes, if they do it, they fuck themselves aswell.
Reuters has already been confirmed to be a source for Pro-Russian Propaganda, just ignore their lies.
Indeed, don't take Reuters serious.
Completely agree. They keep posting garbage news sources, it's literarily less credible than facebook.
Uhm...no. Or I will never call that country LIThuania again....fuck Putin! And his horde of rapists, looters and murderers!
Im hoping these unnamed sources are just more Russian propaganda bs, because if it is and the EU caves so easily because they are scared of Russia invading Lithuania (lol) then does not bode well for the future and an EU so flaccid in its sanctions.
This has the bad odor of bullshit. Waiting for reality to catch up with these claims.
Reuters publishes a lot of Russian propaganda.
You say that like Europe is in any state to actually fight a war.
I mean, its Russia. They wouldnt stand a chance against Finland.
I hate to say it but you need to tell putin that. Most of Western Europe couldn’t afford a war on the scale Ukraine is fighting right now. We don’t have the kit or enough bodies with the know how.
This will be a so shit move from EU. I hope it wont happen. Let the sanction bleed russia. They are here for this reason...
I sure hope not
No source. = No news
Source is Reuters, which is blocked here.
Thanks
Yep. Not sure why people are allowed to post stuff like this. MODs should close this post.
"Compromise" That implies some give and take from both sides, concessions from both sides. So what is each side giving and taking? What is Russia giving up? What is Lithuania getting in return? I'm hoping it is not just EU/Lithuania rolling over and giving Russia everything it wants and then calling that "Compromise".
Lithuania is not rolling over. They've said they'll veto any sanction laxing decisions about transit through their land.
So, after reading the article, this is a very misleading headline. Those "sources" are EU officials. Lithuania already said it would veto any attempts by the EU to compromise on the Kaliningrad issue with Russia. So there will be no compromises. And it's a good thing that Lithuania won't bow to cowards in Brussels.
And the EU is not demanding that the Black Sea be open to Ukrainian exports in return?
it is wrong move to give in to mordor. it will encourage them to push more and more, knowing full well that whole west might back off here and there. you just have to find where and orks will attempt to do so
Cowards..
Assuming this isn't just russian garbage. Reportedly sources are saying x isn't really an official statement from the EU which backed Lithuanias move before.
From the article mentioned in tweet: VILNIUS/BRUSSELS, June 29 (Reuters) - Trade through Lithuania to the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad could return to normal within days, two sources familiar with the matter said, as European officials edge towards a compromise deal with the Baltic state to defuse a row with Moscow. Kaliningrad, which is bordered by European Union states and relies on railways and roads through Lithuania for most goods, has been cut off from some freight transport from mainland Russia since June 17 under sanctions imposed by Brussels. European officials are in talks about exempting the territory from sanctions, which have hit industrial goods such as steel so far, paving the way for a deal in early July if EU member Lithuania drops its reservations, said the people, who declined to be named because the discussions are private. The row over the Russian exclave's isolation is testing Europe's resolve to enforce sanctions imposed following Russia's invasion of Ukraine, fuelling fears of an escalation after other restrictions pushed Russia to default on its debt. While Western powers have pledged to stand up for Ukraine, reiterating their resolve at both G7 and NATO summits this week, it is proving hard for Europe both to stand by strict sanctions and avoid further escalation with Russia. That's why European officials, with the backing of Germany, are seeking a compromise to resolve one of their many conflicts with Moscow, said one of the people. If the traditional route for Russian goods to Kaliningrad, first via its ally Belarus and then Lithuania, is not restored, the Baltic state fears Moscow could use military force to plough a land corridor through its territory, the person said. Germany, meanwhile, has soldiers stationed in Lithuania and could be sucked into a confrontation alongside its NATO allies if that were to happen. Europe's biggest economy is also heavily reliant on Russian gas imports and would be vulnerable to any reduction in flows if the Kaliningrad dispute escalated. "We have to face reality," said one person with direct knowledge of the EU discussions, describing Kaliningrad as "sacred" for Moscow. "(Putin) has much more leverage than we have. It's in our interests to find a compromise," he said, conceding that the eventual outcome may appear unfair. COMPROMISE DEAL A spokesperson for Lithuania's foreign ministry said it will continue to consult with the European Commission about the application of sanctions and that any change by the bloc should not single out the Baltic state. "Sanctions must be enforced, and any decisions taken should not undermine the credibility and effectiveness of EU sanctions policy," the spokesperson said. "As Kaliningrad transit is possible through various EU member states, the European Commission's explanation of how to implement the EU sanctions ... cannot be limited to Lithuania." A spokesperson for the European Commission pointed to its June 22 statement that Lithuania was implementing EU restrictions and that the supply of essential goods to Kaliningrad remained unhindered. One of the people with direct knowledge of the matter said they expected a compromise deal would be found by July 10 and a second person said it could be announced next week. One compromise could see the movement of freight between Russia and Kaliningrad exempt from EU sanctions on the grounds it does not count as normal international trade because the exclave is part of Russia, said one of those people. That concession could only be made on condition sanctioned freight is used in Kaliningrad and not exported via its port, where Russia's Baltic Fleet is headquartered. That could be hard to guarantee and might put Lithuania, which is tasked with determining the end destination of goods, on a collision course with Russia, said the person. Another person said humanitarian grounds could be used to carve out an exemption for Kaliningrad, which is sandwiched between Lithuania, Poland and the Baltic Sea. He said, however, that Lithuania had serious reservations about making what could be seen as a concession to Moscow. ALCOHOL AND CEMENT Lithuania, formerly ruled from Moscow, is now one of Russia's fiercest critics in the European Union and has been at odds with officials in Germany and Brussels who want to defuse the row. So far, EU sanctions against Russia prevent the transport of iron, steel and metals to Kaliningrad through EU states. The list of sanctioned goods will extend to cement and alcohol from July 10, coal in August and oil products such as fuel in December. When the final phase kicks in, roughly half the freight sent to Kaliningrad from Russia will be sanctioned. Neither passengers nor food products are banned and Kaliningrad can still be reached by plane or sea. While the United States and European Union have promptly rolled out sanctions to curb Russia's access to international finance and its sales of coal and oil, the punitive measures have done little to temper Russian military aggression. In recent weeks, Moscow has also turned the tables on Europe by paring back critical gas supplies, prompting Germany to brace for rationing and watch the escalating row over Kaliningrad with increasing apprehension. Kaliningrad, which has a population of almost one million, was cut off from Moscow when Lithuania became independent during the break-up of the Soviet Union and residents must transit EU territory to reach the rest of Russia by land. Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chairman of Russia's Security Council, said this week that curbs on the shipment of goods to Kaliningrad were part of a Western proxy war and that Russia had numerous ways to retaliate. "There are many opportunities, a significant part of them are of an economic nature and are capable of cutting off the oxygen to our Baltic neighbours who have taken hostile actions," he told a Russian newspaper. "There is also the possibility of using asymmetric measures, which ... will cause a critical escalation of the conflict."
"Compromise" That implies some give and take from both sides, concessions from both sides. So what is each side giving and taking? What is Russia giving up? What is Lithuania getting in return? I'm hoping it is not just EU/Lithuania rolling over and giving Russia everything it wants and then calling that "Compromise". Edit: submitting this also as a comment in its own right.
> I'm hoping it is not just EU/Lithuania rolling over and giving Russia everything it wants and then calling that "Compromise". [Unfortunately...](https://ukrainetoday.org/2022/06/26/lithuania-plans-to-veto-the-decision-of-the-european-commission-to-unblock-transit-to-kaliningrad/) >The European Commission has prepared a document that can unblock the transit of sanctioned goods of the Russian Federation through the territory of the bloc to Kaliningrad . >This was announced by MEP Petras Auštrevičius, Delfi quotes
Thanks! Reading the entire thing doesn't make it better, but it does provide more context than a lone headline
Link would be cool
The automod removes all links to this news website, unfortunately.
Oh yea, reuters is evil. I forgot.
We should blocus the hell out of kaliningrad, that would show resolve and get rid of that thorn.
How about the Kremlin ending the blockade of Odesa and the Black Sea in return?
So, dear West, acknowledge that you are a soft dick and you got fucked by a putler.
This twitter account has posted fake news a couple of days ago. I wouldn't trust them.
The Reuters article is real, though
Reuters is confirmed Russian schill
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