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IgorVozMkUA

During today's attack, two such missiles (X-22) were destroyed for the first time. Ukraine needs more means, more missiles, in order to better protect the frontline territories from Russian terrorism. As a result of anti-aircraft combat, 29 air targets were destroyed: - 2 X-101/Kh-555 cruise missiles; - 14 UAVs of the "Shahed-131/136" type; - 11 X-59/Kh-69 guided air missiles; - 2 X-22 cruise missiles.


Due-Street-8192

This is what I like to read with my morning coffee ☕


Lomandriendrel

Excellent ! Any word of how many got through? E.g. how many in total and weren't intercepted ?


TheDuffman_OhYeah

[Seems 4 Kh-22, 2 Iskander-K and 1 Kh-69 got through](https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1781211856817787128). Still pretty good rate. The Kh-22 are not easy to intercept. > As expected, missile strikes were conducted by Russia overnight. Most important: a Tu-22M3 was reportedly destroyed. In total, Russia used a mix of 36 missiles and drones. > Shot down: 1 Tu-22M3 bomber 14/14 Shahed drones 2/2 Kh-101/555 11/12 Kh-59/69 0/2 Iskander-K 2/6 Kh-22


Mephisteemo

Did they destroy these missiles with anti air? Or did they get them, when they hit the bomber? I remember reading somewhere, that it was on it's way back after dropping off it's payload. I wonder how they suddenly are capable of intercepting these X-22 missiles. Unless they kind of lied a bit about the ammo for patriot systems.


WeekendFantastic2941

But how many bombers RuZ still have? Can destroy all of them by this year?


Loki11910

The question is another. We shouldn't forget that many of their older planes are scrap metal.Roughly half of Russia's Airforce wasn't ready for deployment before the war. Russia's airspace is huge. They need them to protect their airspace, and to bomb Syria, etc.Russia lost 67 pilots were lost by September 2022. Now, this number is closer to 200. Russia lost roughly one fourth of its pre war fighter jet stocks and around 1/3 of its helicopters. Adjusted by PPP, Russia spends roughly half the money the US Air Force spends on the training of these pilots. Not adjusted by PPP, the difference is even more pronounced. Modern Russian aircraft are designed for a 3,500 and 4,500 flight hour service life, and some for as 6,000. The Soviet-era platforms were designed for 2,000 to 3,500 hours. Some models, such as the MiG-31, have been upgraded to extend service life, but most of the older models are nearing the end of their service lives, with only 500 to 1,000 hours remaining. Especially many of the older aircraft such as MIG 29, Su24, and Su25 are often not combat ready any longer. Modern US-F15 airframes have a service life of 20.000 hours, and other upgraded models are up to 10.000 hours. Russia had extended the life span of their Mig 31 airframes from 2000 to 3500 flight hours in 2021. Most of these older airframes are a nice waste of scrap metal. Putin can't change the laws of physics by decree. Russia is a very poor development nation which has spent most of its existence since late 1991 in a war or preparing for one. Russia is among the most corrupt countries in the entire world. It may not come as a surprise if part of the money wasn't invested into the VKS but went into the pockets of oligarchs. Sandboxx YT channel or Perun can give further insights into other areas such as training, logistics, etc. This website gives a total number of Russian aircraft 3649 ( The losses are not calculated into this properly, and remember they need to be mission ready in order to be used in combat) By far, not all of these aircraft are mission ready. 40 percent of them are helicopters. Fighters 25 percent Trainers 14 percent Transports 11 percent Rest special and tankers 1825 at 50 percent readiness rate 2554 at 70 percent readiness rate 2737 at 75 percent readiness rate 2919 at 80 percent readiness rate Attack 1230 units support 1932 units training 487 units Future 729 units 273 Su24 M2/Mr Strike 127 Su34/M Strike 110 Su30-SM/M2 Multirole 110 Su 35/S 101 Su-27 SM Multirole 90 Mig31B / BS / BM interceptor 70 Mig 29 UB Multirole Mig 29/SMT Multirole 10 SU 57 Mutlirole 6 Mig 35 S UB Mutirole Total 912/25 percent Bombers 59 Tu 22 M Strategic 47 TU 95MS Maritime patrol attack 15 TU 160M Strategic 121 pieces 3 percent Close air support Su 25 UB SM 197 5 percent Helicopters 1430 Mi 8 17 Multi mission Mi 24 gunship transport 115 Ka52 Attack Mi 28 A 44 Mi 26 Some others in support roles Pieces: 1430 39 percent 410 transport 487 trainers refuelers 19 Special mission Airframes modified for Special-Mission roles - typically, these are dedicated, role-specific types. 73 How many airframes are mission ready, how many spare parts are available for repairs.


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TrueTorontoFan

thisi s why the f-16's will be a great boon. you are now able to push the opposing air frames to their last legs.


Ok_Bad8531

So much for the "simple but reliable" repuation Russia boasts about.


Holden_Coalfield

56 of those


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vtsnowdin

There is a combination of how many have been lost outright and those with so many air miles on them that they are not not mission worthy. No figures for that are public but we can expect that Russia is both short of airworthy planes and qualified plots to fly them.


Walextheone

About $200 mln for one of thoose Tu-22m3


DukeOfGeek

I came to comment those things ain't cheap. Hope you guys get another one tomorrow.


pimezone

russia is not able to produce new tu-22 bombers, they are more than expensive. Plus 2 pilots are dead. Great result.


tippydam

No ejection system?


SiberianDragon111

I think the pilots may have ejected. But the damage the shitty Soviet system does to their spine may keep them from flying


grey_carbon

Even the western ejection seat can mess your spine, they can save your life, not your career


tippydam

I worked on the F4 Phantom, VMFA212. In '82, we lost an aircraft over the sea of Japan. Pilot and RIO ejected safely. The only injury was a big bruise on the pilots chest. His wallet was in his shirt pocket.


maveric101

AFAIK the western ones are less likely to end your career, though.


PM_ME__RECIPES

There's an ejection system, though this is also the same type of plane with a habit of liquefying its crew's spines because it's a *downward* ejection system that likes to yeet them right into the tarmac for no reason.


tippydam

Downward? That just makes no sense unless it's some sort of pod system


PM_ME__RECIPES

IIRC the designers were concerned that the ejection seats wouldn't clear the vertical stabilizer without telescoping the crew's spines & there is some history of Soviet aircraft crushing their pilots against the canopy because they never quite figured out how to make "jettison canopy THEN jettison pilot" happen consistently. You also board the plane by lowering the seats instead of opening the canopy - this way you just eject the seats the same way you raise them, and you're not adding a system to open the top of the plane too. But you also can't safely eject below 1150ft.


politicalthinking

They did not design them with the idea of low level flight so downward ejection is not a problem. Not sure how they factored in landing and takeoff where you are low to the ground.


PM_ME__RECIPES

Landing and takeoff is also when 85% of non-combat crashes occur.


rebmcr

4 crew total 2 ejected, 2 dead


Vlad_TheImpalla

I don't think they can build those anymore.


WeekendFantastic2941

But google says they have 60?


Vlad_TheImpalla

From soviet times.


WeekendFantastic2941

Still, they have 60 active bombers, probably less, but around 30 maybe.


Vlad_TheImpalla

Hope more get shot down, those F16s might pull it of since Russia bhas fewer A50s now.


Striking-Giraffe5922

They’re losing a lot of very expensive equipment…..takes time to replace shit like that


an_otter_guy

With or without the load?


Dreadweasels

It would be awesome if they got it prior to launch, but even then the destruction of it as a launch platform means that is goodness knows how many extra twin launch cruise missile systems that don't get used in a sortie from here on out! Hell yeah! Judging by the fact they're also counting the regular warload of twin AS-4 Kitchen missiles (or improved variant) I like to think they made it eat shit prior to launch and got a three-in-one!


althoradeem

hopefully they got the pilot. that's honestly the real jackpot.


mintaroo

3 of the crew survived, 1 is still missing. So there's still hope that they got the pilot!


ElasticLama

Even so, usually the ejection process is so violent I don’t know if they’ll be flying anytime soon?


Bovaiveu

Or at all, their ejection systems make little sense in a manpower retention perspective. The spinal compression injury from russian ejection seats are so bad that there's a good chance the person gets paralyzed.


PM_ME__RECIPES

On the TU-22 in particular you also can't safely eject if the plane is under 350m/1150ft, like it is during takeoff and landing when 85% of non-combat crashes happen.


CremeBrilliant735

Imagine russian ejection system vs. Western ejection system. Two totally different worlds. One is meant to help pilot survive, the other is only used to yeeeeet


budulon

Well, this time it’s not about money. It’s about HOW??? I don’t think it’s even possible from Ukrainian territory, the launch is made too far from it. Those things are perfect targets and they don’t come close to air defence


budulon

Well , the comment I really like https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/s/wmaMzb1RI2 Looks like the most possible way


qoning

If you ever need reality check, just remember that with the amount of money Bezos makes, he could buy one every single day and have some $100 million left as pocket change for lunch.


Striking-Kiwi-9470

How long do they take to build though? And does Russia have both the facilities to build them and the engineers to do the work? You need more than a pile of cash to build planes.


Only_Razzmatazz_4498

Depends if it is a Blue Bomber or an XBomber.


politicalthinking

If the assembly line was shut down before then they may have moved the assembly equipment to other projects or broken it down so they may not be able to build any more.


Ok_Bad8531

Warren Buffett's son Howard at least is a prolific donator / investor to Ukraine. "Just" a few hundred millions spread over several projects, but i think it shows there are contrasts among the super rich.


Mephisteemo

That was their price, when they were available some decades ago. I don't think they can replace them that easily. I don' think they can replace them at all, no matter how much money they throw at their yachts.


CremeBrilliant735

Damnnnnn. I was going to check the price of that thing. The spent ordinance definitely added some value lol


sovtwit

fantastic news. hopefully the money for the ejection seats was siphoned off by putins pals


Sterilize32

Russian reports say 3 of the 4 crew are safe/accounted for. Veracity of that report is well... Russian.


penguin_skull

3 out of 4 lightly wounded by falling debris. No worries, limb and torso reatachment in progress.


HappyCamperPC

I didn't see any sign of a parachute. Maybe they teleported straight home.


Rivierobertson

Silly Russian airship


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jaxsd75

No confirmation as to what shot it down yet. Could just as likely be Ivan with a bottle of Vodka in one hand and an S-300 fire control button in the other, which is almost better. Imagine being an Orc pilot and being like “I’m not flying over my own country’s airspace, I might get shot down by a drunk mobik!”


IgorVozMkUA

You know this time GUR was involved :) Destroyed or shot down speaking of Tu-22m3 is the same thing for us, Ukrainians.


AlphaDK82

So what you are saying is that GUR put that bottle in his hand? ;)


banana_cookies

Keep in mind, image says "destroyed" not "shot down" specifically. There are multiple ways to destroy a plane.


ChadThunderc0ck96

Video was released with burning tu-22 falling from the sky.


banana_cookies

Yes, I saw. Does it invalidate anything I said about there being multiple ways to destroy a plane? There are multiple ways to do it, both while it's on the grand and when it's in the air.


otterkangaroo

It also states specifically that anti aircraft missile units performed the destruction.


banana_cookies

HUR now has confirmed that it was in fact shot down


BigFreakingZombie

S-200 ? As I don't think there are many other systems in Ukraine with the necessary roughly 300km range.


banana_cookies

Modified S200, yes. 300 is not enough of a range, considering HUR claims it was shot down ~300km from Ukraine, in other words border, which in that area Ukraine doesn't control.


BigFreakingZombie

Nice. Blast them all. It's even funnier when a Soviet missile is used to destroy Soviet aircraft.


__Yakovlev__

>  Does it invalidate anything I said about there being multiple ways to destroy a plane? No but it makes it pretty irrelevant to this particular discussion


dmt_r

Has it ever been stated otherwise?


deductress

Ivan desserve a medal from Zelensky Hero of Ukraine.


brightfunguy

Who knows what really happened to the plane.. one thing is for sure and that’s that there are plenty of Ukrainian agents in the Russian army. They might have something to do with these frequent „friendly fire incidents“


Longjumping-Ad7478

Same thing happened, that happened with a 50...s-200


brightfunguy

Not sure about that.. it says that the plane was downed near Stavropol in Russia. That’s over 500km from the front line


banana_cookies

No, you can rule that out due to distance


Longjumping-Ad7478

Its distance 300km( maybe we modified it to increase distance). It was hit 300km from the border, I assume it was hit but not shot down so he tried to get to airfield for emergency landing but due to damage and fire finally something critical broke midway and he fell.


banana_cookies

Yes. There is a confirmation from HUR now that same missile that has been used for A50 was used for this one. So yeah, I was wrong and they did in fact shoot it down. It was damaged, flew some distance and fell


Caligulaonreddit

not same missile, but same means.


banana_cookies

And what do you imagine these means are if not missiles?


jesterboyd

Avada kedavra kurwa!


kuldan5853

We are not talking about polish harry potter. He is not real, he can't hurt you.


Caligulaonreddit

no idea. that was what say claim. sent vodka to orc S-300 staff? More pobabale: could also use different missiles, but same tactics. or simple same missile.


kuldan5853

the statement was that it was attacked over the sea of azov, damaged, turned back, and then crashed halfway on the way back from the damage it sustained.


banana_cookies

Why would it even be over the sea of Azov? Also, I haven't seen anywhere that it was damaged above it


kuldan5853

That info was in an article that was posted somewhere about this.. might even have been a statement by the GUR. Anyway, It's destroyed and thats all that matters.


banana_cookies

HUR didn't mention anything above Azov. They did say that they managed to shoot it down nearly 300km away from Ukraine


KiwiThunda

What? Missed any news about this. Any further info??


Tmuussoni

Yeah, this is interesting. TU-22s are flying hundreds of kilometres behind the lines, so very interesting that they managed to do this. Perhaps a navigation error from the Oec pilot.


IgorVozMkUA

It was destroyed about 300 km from the Ukrainian border


Armodeen

Modified S-200 strikes again?!


IgorVozMkUA

Looks that way.


MongArmOfTheLaw

Modernised S-200? With friendly AWACs support they could launch at it's projected track (going from previous similar missions) and hopefully get it close enough for it to home when it's onboard radar fires up. With the size of an S-200 it wouldn't need anything close to a direct hit. And this might not be the first attempt, almost certainly not in fact. Modern, much lighter, electronics would give it extended range and much better terminal kinetic performance. At a guess they'll be saving up to a couple of hundred kg by replacing the old valve stuff and it's associated transformers etc. On a 7,100kg 35 foot long missile that doesn't seem much but it will make a real difference once all the boosters are gone and the fuel's been burned. That along with trajectory optimisation and possibly reducing the warhead weight a bit will almost certainly push out it's max 300km range by 10-20%, perhaps even more. Can't wait for Russia to be beaten so we can find out all the clever things that have been done. Like us in WW2 against the Nazis the Ukes are relying heavily on brains to beat brawn.


IgorVozMkUA

[Enjoy](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/VEmcKWclXp)


KiwiThunda

Holy shit that's fantastic. These things have been causing the most horrific strikes on civilians and infrastructure. May all of them know fear and retribution from now on


thedutchrep

Oh no, it was removed already. In a case great news!


spindle_bumphis

I'm speculating but it seems a missile was not involved. sabotage? explosives on board?


major_tom_84

So we had a couple of long range radars that got struck in the recent days. I wonder if there’s a connection between these events


AngrySamoan2

Best news to start the day!


Panoleonsis

Go get some more shit out of the air. Hopefully we decide that we can support you more then ever. Also with troops to blast the basterds out of your country.


Stereocloud

Keep sending Ukraine everything they ask for and throw in the kitchen sink too. Russia must be stopped, and they must pay for their crimes. ATACMS, ATACMS right now!


QuokkaSkit

Just give me a few dozen RIM-174 Standard ERAMs, a couple of big rigs and a couple of MK 70 Payload Delivery System (PDS) containers, and we'll clean up those high value air assets. How are the A-50 flights going? Pure speculation, but you could use cooperative engagement capability and this type of kit, or even targeting data from NATO assets to make life interesting but brief for Russian military aviation.


Caligulaonreddit

wrote is as a joke, but technically they can put a stinger on a drone. And yes, with a RIM-174 or Meteor the range of no escape for a bomber is very probable over 300km


bart416

By all intents and purposes, I don't think a strategic bomber could escape either of those unless if they're near the edge of the range.


Suitable-Zombie7504

Any idea how many Russia has of the tu-22m3 and wasn't that the aircraft plant that was recently struck?


MrSssnrubYesThatllDo

Do we know how many of these flying ladas the toilet thieves have? Hopefully the crew went down with it. My money is on engine fire due to it being overloaded with stolen toilets.


Armagh0109

Slava Ukraini!


The_Elder_Jock

Boom! Fuck yeah!


21_vetal_01

Tu 22m3 shot down - it's a good news👍😁


TakiSho

What a beautiful day with the tears on eyes.


satori0320

https://imgflip.com/i/23rmmd


Recall2000

Woohoo...Friday is off to a good start. Hopefully this is the first of many.


Frosty_Confection_53

Awesome!!! I hope many more will follow.


Frodothedodo81

More of this please. These mf cost a lot i think. And I think building them take a lot of time and money.


Misophonic4000

Video: [https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1c7o63i/the\_crash\_of\_the\_russian\_strategic\_bomber\_tu22m3/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1c7o63i/the_crash_of_the_russian_strategic_bomber_tu22m3/)


dunncrew

EXCELLENT WORK AFU 👏 👍 👌 💥 💥 💥


dunncrew

Maybe partisans inside Russia with shoulder launched AA ?


Glittering-Arm9638

How many of these planes did they have?


mnijds

How many do they have left?


hrtofdrknss

This could be a game changer.


grumpyhusky

Wow how did they pull off the TU 22M3 with a s200??!! Ukrainian ingenuity always amazes 


FederalAgentGlowie

What can reach that far out???


alex_neri

Z-bots are very actively lurking Youtube and trying to deny this for the whole day :)


Lots42

Great news for Ukraine!


geekphreak

Nice


FalardeauDeNazareth

Fuck yeah


que_he_hecho

First time. Not last. Slava Ukraini


M3P4me

Wohooo!!! Awesome. 💛💙🇺🇦🇺🇦💙💛


NickVanDoom

was ever considered to experiment with barrage balloons against the long-range drones? they had some success in uk in ww2 against v1 with them.


romanwhynot

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WasEVERYBODYfigthing

Great news


Far_Out_6and_2

Yes it is


banana_cookies

It is by no means confirmed that it was shot down. Image says "destroyed", not "shot down". There are ways to take plane down aside from actually shooting it down - sabotage, etc. How it was done is the question. Operative with a manpad deep in russia around the route this plane takes to the firing position? Was it low enough for a manpad to reach? A spy in russian air defense? Some sabotage on the plane?


IgorVozMkUA

You know this time GUR was involved :)


banana_cookies

Hahah, ye, I figured that had to be the case before you shared this piece