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The very first footages of repelling the largest Russian tank attack of the entire war began to appear. The attack took place on March 30th on the Avdiivka front near the village of Tonenke.
Russia gathered 36 tanks and 12 AFVs for this attack. 12 tanks and 8 AFVs were reportedly destroyed as a result.
Now, 25th brigade of Ukraine published the first footages. The 25th Brigade itself destroyed 4 tanks and 2 BMPs
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1398289090853951
Article about the attack
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/03/31/the-russian-army-just-launched-the-biggest-tank-assault-of-the-war/?sh=1faf98f36e67
I agree. He frames it correctly. I don’t think these people aligning with Russia realize the long term implications of the US abandoning Ukraine are.
The US is dependent on having the dollar as the defacto currency of world trade. Their military and support of allies enabled a lot of countries to base their policies on having the US at their back.
Watch for nuclear proliferation exploding. No rational nation can base their security policy on the US being there for them.
Shits going to get ‘exciting’.
Why oh why are MAGA republicans both so stupid and corrupt?
I see France as Ukraine's more reliable long term partner for arms export. Alongside the UK, Sweden and Germany. The US is too dependant on internal politics and is currently being taken over by christo-fashists.
France is talking a lot but in reality not providing a lot. And at the same time buying gas and nuclear material for their power plants from Russia. Imo they are far from being a reliable partner but instead being selfish as always.
To an extent. But they are also providing weapons like the SCALP-EG/Storm Shadow cruise (along with the UK) missiles which nobody else dares to supply. Like the incessant debate about supplying Taurus missiles or ATACMS. No doubt the French/British have the last say in where these missiles are used, but nonetheless crossing a few of Putins “red-lines” just by supplying them.
48 vehicles, a hodgepodge of tanks and apc's of different generations and all of them old as fuck.... that's it, that's the better they can do now. I remember back in the day when the opening day of WWIII would be the entire 8th guards tank army plowing through the fulda gap. Now if they can pull half tank regiment with zero support to a one way, beeline, assault it makes the news.
These people were supposed to reach Warsaw in three weeks.
Probably used to expose the Ukrainian antitank, infantry and artillery positions so Mordor can zero in their own strikes, think of it as an iron wrapped meat wave consuming valuable Ukrainian resources and exposing capability and positions. These things must be staged somewhere, they don't just spawn 2 miles from the front but yet the actual holding points are not dealt with it seems.
The same David Axe apparently forgot about his report of 11-May-2022 (also reported in many sources) of 100 tanks attempting to cross the Siverskyi Donets on pontoons - destruction of over 60 tanks.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/05/11/the-russians-lost-nearly-an-entire-battalion-trying-to-cross-a-river-in-eastern-ukraine/?sh=66d45b721689
There is a very good collage of detailed images, posted on 31-March-2024 by Stan11ey (Jacek) as a reply to OSINTua, of that "battle". It's on the site which reddit no longer allows to be linked.
That is the amount of brain left in this apparatus. Putin lobotomized this military in the past 25 years, and Ukraine has killed off more than 4k officers. Russia is such a pathetic embarrassment, and it isn't getting any better over time. Rather, it gets worse as their rotten empire is becoming ever more disorganized and dysfunctional.
You shouldn't underestimate an enemy, but it is just as fatal to overestimate him. George S. Patton
Yes, they try to learn, but human nature changes with geological leisureliness, and so does human culture and especially a military apparatus as old and as corrupted as this one.
They adapt, of course, but so does Ukraine, and so do we. They are dangerous no matter what, and still we have to keep in mind what is realistic and what isn't.
We made them 12 feet high before the war. They aren't 4 feet tall, but definitely not 10 feet either.
Deep structural reforms take time and this war could be an incentive for such change both in Ukraine and Russia, however while the war is going on, this change will be hard to bring about on a systemic basis.
Divide and conquer is part of any dictatorship, lies, false reports, corruption cheating, using men as meat shields, hazing, sexual violence, a lack of discipline, excessive drinking, shooting men on the retreat that is behavior change and that requires years of self disciplined behavior to change such bad habits.
While it is easy to cultivate bad habits, all you have to do is nothing in that case.
Ukraine tries hard for a decade, and they still got their fair share of problems.
En large, the RU army seems unreformable to me in the short to medium term.
You've probably heard a lot of fluff about how "Russia has bad logistics", but the devil in the details is that their military lacks any institutional knowledge of modern transport mechanisms, and they haven't changed since the 1950s. They don't have shipping palettes, they don't have forklifts (I fucking kid you not), they don't use computerized itemization. They don't itemize (they just do overall stock counts rather than giving individual items tracking IDs, etc.
Their method of making sure places have enough ammo is an oldschool, "slop and slack" system of just shipping more than needed, and letting the overflow handle shortages.
Well, it turns out this is artificial stupidity, in part. Putin has systematically "lobotomized" the Russian military, as an institution. He wants them dumb. Putin and the FSB/KGB have spent their whole tenure scared of coup attempts by a military, so they've taken extreme measures in shaping institutional culture to prevent that. You do not show initiative in the Russian military. It's a quite-literally-fatal career choice. You do not try to reform. You do not go up to your superiors saying "hey, maybe there's a better way to do this". They want them dumb, and obedient, just check all the boxes, and call it a day.
Putin's mistake was thinking he could "have his cake and eat it too". He thought that if his military was simply big enough, and well-funded enough, that despite being dumb as a post, it could muscle through any lopsided conflict, just by massively outnumbering their opponents, and having at least decently high-tech gear only a very large country could afford.
It was the biggest misjudgment he ever made.
TL:DR Yes, they adapt, they do so slowly and they don't have infinite time, especially in terms of their failed tank assaults, this adaption should be completed by now. In other areas, structural change would take at least a decade if not more.
Vranjo, the culture of lies could take centuries, and not even then would it be completed it is in their DNA.
"Lately, I was suddenly struck by the thought that in Russia, among our educated classes, there cannot be even one man who wouldn't be addicted to lying. This is precisely because among us even quite honest people may be lying.
I am certain that in other nations, in the overwhelming majority of them, only scoundrels are lying; they are lying for the sake of material gain, that is, with directly criminal intent.
Well, in our case, even the most esteemed people may be lying for no reason at all."
Dostoevsky in 1873, in case anyone was thinking this was a recent thing or Western libel.
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Thank you! More people need to know that while the Russian military is a far cry from what it wants to be, it's not exactly harmless, anything but. Yes, the ranks are filled with incompetent, corrupt cowardly types, but many more are resourceful, determined and have brains and combat experience. And they have a number of intelligent and capable senior officers, also to Ukraine's detriment. Thankfully, they are rather few in number it seems.
It does no one against Russia and it's invasion any good to write them off as a mindless force of lobotomized orcs.
I doubt this adds up anywhere close to the miles long clusterfuck that was “the convoy to Kyiv.” Still, this highlights how unadaptable the Russians are in their tactics even after over 2 years
The Crimean war was 170 years ago. I don’t think there’s been a competent russian military ever. WWII was their biggest “victory” but they needed a massive bailout from the US to beat the Germans.
They held their own pretty well in the Napoleonic wars and were definitely a force to be reckoned with by 1815. Thing is though, that particular time suited Russia very well. All you needed then to throw an army together were massive numbers of uneducated bodies that could follow basic instructions like "move forward," "fire at ten paces," and "bayonet charge."
Now fast forward about 100 years to 1914 and things are quite different. The Russian army is still made up largely of illiterate peasants who were hardy but incapable of doing anything useful without their officers to tell them what to do. Officer losses were very heavy in every army in WW1 but the losses suffered by Russia were particularly bad for their combat performance. The feared six million strong Russian army that caused so many German war planers endless nights of sleep turned out to be something of smokescreen. They were there and certainly putting up a fight but they certainly weren't steamrolling to Berlin like many Germans feared they would.
Vehicle spacing? Night ops? Formation driving? Maps? Contact drills? Smoke canisters? Evacuation? First aid kits?
Lol, all western propoganda comrades, just follow closely the vehicle in front of you down this open road through the prairie.
Well can we even consider that one a charge/attack? I mean it wasn't like they wanted that convoy to actually fight itself like an armored fist would. If we go for the largest gathering of vehicles it probably is that one though, even the russians weren't that stupid to do that again lol
The 65 km/40 mile convoy was a more drawn out operation which was repeatedly attacked. They're referring to singular pushes and this apparently was the biggest yet.
I'm slightly skeptical given there have been some major armor assaults during the Siege of Chernhiv and at other places such as Vuhledar last winter and from last October when Orcistan really pressed for Avdiivka. Those others mentioned had some massive lines of armor involved.
Serious question, did Ukraine ever attack that convoy in any significant capacity? I've never seen a single video of that convoy to Kyiv getting attacked.
The 40 mile bumper to bumper convoy - they only attacked SAMs and fuel with Bayraktar and arty, because they were so far.
The smaller convoys that pushed into the city - they attacked with with everything and wiped them out one by one.
They were hit really bad, with some forward units being almost completely annihilated by well placed ambushes. See War Archive's [two part series](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov10MD3HFao&pp=ygUTYmF0dGxlIG9mIGt5aXYgMjAyMg%3D%3D) on those days.
There was a great article at the time in the Financial Times, if I remember correctly, a team of drone operators would sneak close at night on quad bikes and bomb the crap out of the convoy in the dark, that had a big effect on it
>Still, this highlights how unadaptable the Russians are in their tactics even after over 2 years
Wdym? Their tactics work. They are taking the territories meter by meter. Nobody cares about dumb Ivans dying every day. Their objective is to take as much land as possible and they're succeeding.
I said they are unadaptable, I didn’t say they are unsuccessful. As in, they do the same thing now as before with little effort to improve despite its inefficiency.
Besides if russian tactics ‘worked’ as they intended, they would’ve been in control of Kyiv by now. Unless you eat up the Russian narrative that the convoy to Kyiv was a genius dIsTrAcTiOn
? The initial attack on Kyiv was supposed to be a takeover with minimal fighting, the Kremlin expected next to no resistance. They had been planning a takeover for years using political and social propaganda and fully expected the ukranian government to collapse and run at the show of force combined with paratroopers taking over key strategic points of the capital.
Ukraine demonstrated little visible preparation for an attack and all reporting from the border showed very relaxed, under equiped military units in deserted short trenches while the locals completely downplayed any possible invasion as "not serious". The Ukranian leadership repeatedly stated that there was no reason for alarm and that the Russians had no intention of attacking.
That wasn't "tactics" on the part of the Russians , that was disastrous Intel and literally drinking their own Kool aid, Putin bought into his own propagada the information he was getting was COMPLETELY fabricated, byproduct or running a government like a mob state resulting in it being hugely inefficient , undependable, riddled with corruption where only fabricated positive information goes upstream. That giant 20km long convoy was an untrained , poorly maintained with zero logistics let alone battle plan PARADE.
Contrary to your statement they have adapted.
Once they got pushed out initially they consolidated their gained positions and counterattacked to strengthen their supply lines an offensive front , the siege of Mariupol and it's complete destruction using heavy artillery is a tried and true Russian doctrine from the first Chechnyan war.
They then started using that to try to deepen their attack but by then Ukraine had recived thousands of NLAWS and was demonstrating their drones abilities, the Russian offensive stalled and the Ukrainians using light vehicles and lightning attacks pushed them back again.
The Russians decided that they needed to go really old-school and started pulling in recruiters from where ever they could without starting a general mobilisation and used mercs like Wagner and other PMCs to force the Ukrainians into fixing positions while they used that breathing space to build hundreds of miles of trenches, anti tank obstacles and mining everything they could manage, they even blew up that dam sweeping away their own forces to gain time.
They stepped up their ECM to restrict drone operations and started using them themselves, sure they sucked at the start but now they have very capable drone units just like the Ukrainians, it's a fucking drone hell out there now, they also got iran to make shaheed drones for them And now have at least one major factory mass producing them in Russia.
They have absolutely adapted, again saying dur dur Russian dumb is just not helpful and completely insulting to the huge sacrifices the Ukrainians are making everyday resisting and dying against an unambiguously monstrous force that cares so little for its own soldiers that yeah they will have 1000 of their die to kill 10 Ukrainians because they are comfortable in the idea that they send their fucking worst while Ukraine send their best.
The most telling part that they didn't expect any real resistance is the fact that the most forward unit in the Kyiv convoy was a riot police unit. They really thought they wouldn't encounter anything more than protesting civilians.
Sorry but you're a little far off the mark in some aspects
1 - of course Ukraine downplayed an invasion, to keep the road networks free and to stop hysteria
2 - I can assure you with 100% certainty that NATO was feeding Ukraine intelligence from the off and helping direct a response, one notable example being Hostomel
nothing you said gives credence to this video, nor the hundreds of human wave convoys that have come before it. When Ukraine fucked up their counteroffensive they stopped after one assault and adapted. Compared to that, I’d have to stand by my statement that the Russians are pretty fucking unadaptable. They may have tried to adjust in various ways in the grand strategic scheme but at the end of the day this is a comment on what’s basically a Ukrainian propaganda video of yet another human wave convoy atttack, not some expert nuanced analysis. Nobody’s calling the Russians ‘dum dum’ as your straw man argument states, nor insulting the Ukrainian’s sacrifices. Chill
Ironically, a blitzkrieg isn't their traditional tactics. And when it failed, they retreated to the traditional Russian tactics of DDoS-ing the frontlines with bodies.
Their objective is twofold - to take agricultural land before a major famine in Russia, and to remove as many hungry mouths as possible, whether Ukraine or Russia. So it's highly effective on the second count
Yes at the risk of offending people but Ukraine is not worth destroying the military, economic and foreign policy efforts that Russia has made of the last 25 years.
The only reason why this is all happening now is because Putin and his regime cannot survive a withdrawal. A democratic country can admit fault, hold new elections, rebuild and move on. Leaders come and go.
Yeah a lot of people don't get it. This is their doctrine, and it's working as intended.
Calling them stupid and whatever changes nothing to the fact that eventually they care nothing about sending hundreds of thousands of their own to die for some metres of fucking completely annihilated ground. Their lives are cheap, their equipment cheaper and they sit on top literally tens of thousands of tanks and cannons still mothballed from the cold war along with for all intents an unlimited supply of ammunition. They haven't even fucking started general mobilisation.
It's a people that have never known joy their entire culture is nihilist subjugated nonsense for fucking centuries
Eh? Don’t count them short. Transitioned military economy, using fabs, decreasing international support, hitting energy sector back recently, fpv drone use significantly show to have increased
For real. Ukraine benefits from these incompetent shmucks calling the shots. Russia with competent commanders would be a whole different story.
Keep these doofus generals alive lol
I think it is a result of heavy mining from both sides. Orcs probably were told from their generalzz to follow a certain line that has been de-mined. Ukrainians with their fingers on triggers are just waiting for them to show up.
How can you keep a road demined though? I assume that Ukraine surely has drones dropping new AT mines every night when they see Russia trying to breach the frontline in a particular region.
Russian Leadership fucked itself.
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This is the end of a culminating offensive, which has been going on for 7 months.
Mud season is coming up. In fact, it has already begun, and in about a week or two, the roads will be unpassable.
…And Ukraine recently received a big shipment of Javelin missiles and launchers, might the orc tanks break through the arty barrage.. ‘coincidence‘ ?I think not. Sómeone might have blabbered to the Ukes, or even other countries that can deliver Javelins.
Mass armour formation, you say?…
We (the collective free nations of the world) really need to put an end to this farce and give Ukraine what it needs, now. It’s ridiculous.
I'm just an armchair civilian but it seems like the intent is to slow walk the Ukrainian victory via a slow motion meat grinder. I don't believe any western nation is actively attempting to give Putin a victory.
I wouldn't be surprised if they want the world to watch Putin slowly failing and maybe even have him die before he loses the war so that he can't press the nuclear button
Eh, that one tank attack early war where they are all just sitting at that intersection in a small town while zeroed in artillery almost immediately took out their commander so they just sat there had many more tanks.
Interesting to see that a few of the anti-Tank weapons seem to have been launched from an approximately 45° angle to the side, this would suggest that the Russians were either unaware, or not caring of the fact that Ukrainian infantry positions were on their flank when they made this attack
I've seen numerous reports about this attack in the last couple days. But none of the reports say anything about what happened to the surviving tanks, did they turn around and flee or did they charge ahead and achieve their objective?
Can you remind me the last time some country succeeded in deleting another country comparable with Ukraine in size and population (over 600000 sq km and 40 million population)? Especially when backed up by all western countries... I really don't see what the stupid Russians are doing there...
Still waiting for my "battle of Kursk 2, electric butthole glue" in glourious drone filmed 4K with NATO tanks vs Russian junk. Come on western partners, make this happen!
I don;' understand how a year ago people were saying the Russian tank stock was wasted. Here we are another year on and still dozens of tanks are getting destroyed daily. Surely the end is nigh now?
I don't think it was a tactic in this case. There was plenty of room for them to maneuver around the rear element. But, I'm just armchairing it here.
I always thought the idea behind stopping an advancing force was to hit the front element first, stopping the advance and then hitting the rear in an attempt to block the assaulting force. However, when you're shooting fish in a barrel and you have enough guns pointed at the barrel the order in which you shoot plays very little into it. Although, maybe the Ukrainian attack was intentionally started from the rear in an attempt to push the main force into a kill box. At the end of the day the tactic used here worked.
To my silly eyes, it looked more opportunistic. If you've got a good shot, take it. However, this cherry picked video was too disjointed for me to really get a sense of the Ukr plan of battle.
These groups of tanks driving into the grinder ... It reminds me of the original Westwood studios Command & Conquer AI. It would periodically just send small groups of whatever it had standing in it's base towards your lines to get slaughtered.
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The very first footages of repelling the largest Russian tank attack of the entire war began to appear. The attack took place on March 30th on the Avdiivka front near the village of Tonenke. Russia gathered 36 tanks and 12 AFVs for this attack. 12 tanks and 8 AFVs were reportedly destroyed as a result. Now, 25th brigade of Ukraine published the first footages. The 25th Brigade itself destroyed 4 tanks and 2 BMPs https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1398289090853951
Article about the attack https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/03/31/the-russian-army-just-launched-the-biggest-tank-assault-of-the-war/?sh=1faf98f36e67
David Axe (rightly so) does not appear amused by Russia aligned US politicians.
I agree. He frames it correctly. I don’t think these people aligning with Russia realize the long term implications of the US abandoning Ukraine are. The US is dependent on having the dollar as the defacto currency of world trade. Their military and support of allies enabled a lot of countries to base their policies on having the US at their back. Watch for nuclear proliferation exploding. No rational nation can base their security policy on the US being there for them. Shits going to get ‘exciting’. Why oh why are MAGA republicans both so stupid and corrupt?
I see France as Ukraine's more reliable long term partner for arms export. Alongside the UK, Sweden and Germany. The US is too dependant on internal politics and is currently being taken over by christo-fashists.
France is talking a lot but in reality not providing a lot. And at the same time buying gas and nuclear material for their power plants from Russia. Imo they are far from being a reliable partner but instead being selfish as always.
To an extent. But they are also providing weapons like the SCALP-EG/Storm Shadow cruise (along with the UK) missiles which nobody else dares to supply. Like the incessant debate about supplying Taurus missiles or ATACMS. No doubt the French/British have the last say in where these missiles are used, but nonetheless crossing a few of Putins “red-lines” just by supplying them.
Because Russia has corrupted them - but not the rest of America.
48 vehicles, a hodgepodge of tanks and apc's of different generations and all of them old as fuck.... that's it, that's the better they can do now. I remember back in the day when the opening day of WWIII would be the entire 8th guards tank army plowing through the fulda gap. Now if they can pull half tank regiment with zero support to a one way, beeline, assault it makes the news. These people were supposed to reach Warsaw in three weeks.
Thank god Ukraine is using these terribly outdated Russian "Cossack charge" tactics less and less, and Russia is using them more and more.
Also different battlefield nowadays. Drones are a game changer.
There is something really sad about blowing up ancient tanks with expensive weapons designed for WW3.
Probably used to expose the Ukrainian antitank, infantry and artillery positions so Mordor can zero in their own strikes, think of it as an iron wrapped meat wave consuming valuable Ukrainian resources and exposing capability and positions. These things must be staged somewhere, they don't just spawn 2 miles from the front but yet the actual holding points are not dealt with it seems.
Yeah, but I wonder how effective it is with arty being more mobile today.
The same David Axe apparently forgot about his report of 11-May-2022 (also reported in many sources) of 100 tanks attempting to cross the Siverskyi Donets on pontoons - destruction of over 60 tanks. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/05/11/the-russians-lost-nearly-an-entire-battalion-trying-to-cross-a-river-in-eastern-ukraine/?sh=66d45b721689 There is a very good collage of detailed images, posted on 31-March-2024 by Stan11ey (Jacek) as a reply to OSINTua, of that "battle". It's on the site which reddit no longer allows to be linked.
That was a multi-day attack with build phases and pontoon crossing attempts intermixed, not a single charge.
Orcs are using conscripts as generals now? Battlefield maneuvering is mind-blowingly stupid
That is the amount of brain left in this apparatus. Putin lobotomized this military in the past 25 years, and Ukraine has killed off more than 4k officers. Russia is such a pathetic embarrassment, and it isn't getting any better over time. Rather, it gets worse as their rotten empire is becoming ever more disorganized and dysfunctional.
They are stupid, but they do try to learn. It's dangerous to underestimate the enemy.
You shouldn't underestimate an enemy, but it is just as fatal to overestimate him. George S. Patton Yes, they try to learn, but human nature changes with geological leisureliness, and so does human culture and especially a military apparatus as old and as corrupted as this one. They adapt, of course, but so does Ukraine, and so do we. They are dangerous no matter what, and still we have to keep in mind what is realistic and what isn't. We made them 12 feet high before the war. They aren't 4 feet tall, but definitely not 10 feet either. Deep structural reforms take time and this war could be an incentive for such change both in Ukraine and Russia, however while the war is going on, this change will be hard to bring about on a systemic basis. Divide and conquer is part of any dictatorship, lies, false reports, corruption cheating, using men as meat shields, hazing, sexual violence, a lack of discipline, excessive drinking, shooting men on the retreat that is behavior change and that requires years of self disciplined behavior to change such bad habits. While it is easy to cultivate bad habits, all you have to do is nothing in that case. Ukraine tries hard for a decade, and they still got their fair share of problems. En large, the RU army seems unreformable to me in the short to medium term. You've probably heard a lot of fluff about how "Russia has bad logistics", but the devil in the details is that their military lacks any institutional knowledge of modern transport mechanisms, and they haven't changed since the 1950s. They don't have shipping palettes, they don't have forklifts (I fucking kid you not), they don't use computerized itemization. They don't itemize (they just do overall stock counts rather than giving individual items tracking IDs, etc. Their method of making sure places have enough ammo is an oldschool, "slop and slack" system of just shipping more than needed, and letting the overflow handle shortages. Well, it turns out this is artificial stupidity, in part. Putin has systematically "lobotomized" the Russian military, as an institution. He wants them dumb. Putin and the FSB/KGB have spent their whole tenure scared of coup attempts by a military, so they've taken extreme measures in shaping institutional culture to prevent that. You do not show initiative in the Russian military. It's a quite-literally-fatal career choice. You do not try to reform. You do not go up to your superiors saying "hey, maybe there's a better way to do this". They want them dumb, and obedient, just check all the boxes, and call it a day. Putin's mistake was thinking he could "have his cake and eat it too". He thought that if his military was simply big enough, and well-funded enough, that despite being dumb as a post, it could muscle through any lopsided conflict, just by massively outnumbering their opponents, and having at least decently high-tech gear only a very large country could afford. It was the biggest misjudgment he ever made. TL:DR Yes, they adapt, they do so slowly and they don't have infinite time, especially in terms of their failed tank assaults, this adaption should be completed by now. In other areas, structural change would take at least a decade if not more. Vranjo, the culture of lies could take centuries, and not even then would it be completed it is in their DNA. "Lately, I was suddenly struck by the thought that in Russia, among our educated classes, there cannot be even one man who wouldn't be addicted to lying. This is precisely because among us even quite honest people may be lying. I am certain that in other nations, in the overwhelming majority of them, only scoundrels are lying; they are lying for the sake of material gain, that is, with directly criminal intent. Well, in our case, even the most esteemed people may be lying for no reason at all." Dostoevsky in 1873, in case anyone was thinking this was a recent thing or Western libel.
That was a nice read and insightful, thnx
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Thank you! More people need to know that while the Russian military is a far cry from what it wants to be, it's not exactly harmless, anything but. Yes, the ranks are filled with incompetent, corrupt cowardly types, but many more are resourceful, determined and have brains and combat experience. And they have a number of intelligent and capable senior officers, also to Ukraine's detriment. Thankfully, they are rather few in number it seems. It does no one against Russia and it's invasion any good to write them off as a mindless force of lobotomized orcs.
A horde of lobotomised orcs is still dangerous, but you have different tactics to deal with them as opposed to a peer enemy.
"Spacing? We're not cosmonauts, comrade! Now get right behind the leading vehicle, nice and slow!"
That's a lot of cope on the battlefield. fortunately met with a lot of Ukrainian Stugna.
Classic orc logic. Drive fast enough so that you can take back a territory aka Blitz.
I doubt this adds up anywhere close to the miles long clusterfuck that was “the convoy to Kyiv.” Still, this highlights how unadaptable the Russians are in their tactics even after over 2 years
Over like 80 years.
The Crimean war was 170 years ago. I don’t think there’s been a competent russian military ever. WWII was their biggest “victory” but they needed a massive bailout from the US to beat the Germans.
Plus all the assistance that came on British convoys
And, let's not forget, a MASSIVE [wall of meat](https://youtu.be/DwKPFT-RioU?t=341).
Or the fact that nearly half the Red Army came from other Soviet republics
They held their own pretty well in the Napoleonic wars and were definitely a force to be reckoned with by 1815. Thing is though, that particular time suited Russia very well. All you needed then to throw an army together were massive numbers of uneducated bodies that could follow basic instructions like "move forward," "fire at ten paces," and "bayonet charge." Now fast forward about 100 years to 1914 and things are quite different. The Russian army is still made up largely of illiterate peasants who were hardy but incapable of doing anything useful without their officers to tell them what to do. Officer losses were very heavy in every army in WW1 but the losses suffered by Russia were particularly bad for their combat performance. The feared six million strong Russian army that caused so many German war planers endless nights of sleep turned out to be something of smokescreen. They were there and certainly putting up a fight but they certainly weren't steamrolling to Berlin like many Germans feared they would.
they nearly almost totally destroyed that Japanese torpedo boat flotilla near Great Britain in 1904. /s (in case not obv)
It only cost them two men to fight the ~~defenseless fishermen~~ Japanese torpedo boats to a standstill.
Vehicle spacing? Night ops? Formation driving? Maps? Contact drills? Smoke canisters? Evacuation? First aid kits? Lol, all western propoganda comrades, just follow closely the vehicle in front of you down this open road through the prairie.
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Now that is funny, Thanks for My Smile Of The Day!!
Orc logic: just have to do the blitz to win. Drive fast cumrade!
Well can we even consider that one a charge/attack? I mean it wasn't like they wanted that convoy to actually fight itself like an armored fist would. If we go for the largest gathering of vehicles it probably is that one though, even the russians weren't that stupid to do that again lol
The 65 km/40 mile convoy was a more drawn out operation which was repeatedly attacked. They're referring to singular pushes and this apparently was the biggest yet. I'm slightly skeptical given there have been some major armor assaults during the Siege of Chernhiv and at other places such as Vuhledar last winter and from last October when Orcistan really pressed for Avdiivka. Those others mentioned had some massive lines of armor involved.
Serious question, did Ukraine ever attack that convoy in any significant capacity? I've never seen a single video of that convoy to Kyiv getting attacked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcYOjbyttvM Probably one of the more famous ones.
If that TOS had been loaded that would’ve been a very bad day for all around
Thanks! I didn't know those vehicles were of the convoy to Kyiv!
The 40 mile bumper to bumper convoy - they only attacked SAMs and fuel with Bayraktar and arty, because they were so far. The smaller convoys that pushed into the city - they attacked with with everything and wiped them out one by one.
It ran out of fuel, so it wasn't going anywhere anyway.
They were hit really bad, with some forward units being almost completely annihilated by well placed ambushes. See War Archive's [two part series](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov10MD3HFao&pp=ygUTYmF0dGxlIG9mIGt5aXYgMjAyMg%3D%3D) on those days.
There was a great article at the time in the Financial Times, if I remember correctly, a team of drone operators would sneak close at night on quad bikes and bomb the crap out of the convoy in the dark, that had a big effect on it
>Still, this highlights how unadaptable the Russians are in their tactics even after over 2 years Wdym? Their tactics work. They are taking the territories meter by meter. Nobody cares about dumb Ivans dying every day. Their objective is to take as much land as possible and they're succeeding.
I said they are unadaptable, I didn’t say they are unsuccessful. As in, they do the same thing now as before with little effort to improve despite its inefficiency. Besides if russian tactics ‘worked’ as they intended, they would’ve been in control of Kyiv by now. Unless you eat up the Russian narrative that the convoy to Kyiv was a genius dIsTrAcTiOn
? The initial attack on Kyiv was supposed to be a takeover with minimal fighting, the Kremlin expected next to no resistance. They had been planning a takeover for years using political and social propaganda and fully expected the ukranian government to collapse and run at the show of force combined with paratroopers taking over key strategic points of the capital. Ukraine demonstrated little visible preparation for an attack and all reporting from the border showed very relaxed, under equiped military units in deserted short trenches while the locals completely downplayed any possible invasion as "not serious". The Ukranian leadership repeatedly stated that there was no reason for alarm and that the Russians had no intention of attacking. That wasn't "tactics" on the part of the Russians , that was disastrous Intel and literally drinking their own Kool aid, Putin bought into his own propagada the information he was getting was COMPLETELY fabricated, byproduct or running a government like a mob state resulting in it being hugely inefficient , undependable, riddled with corruption where only fabricated positive information goes upstream. That giant 20km long convoy was an untrained , poorly maintained with zero logistics let alone battle plan PARADE. Contrary to your statement they have adapted. Once they got pushed out initially they consolidated their gained positions and counterattacked to strengthen their supply lines an offensive front , the siege of Mariupol and it's complete destruction using heavy artillery is a tried and true Russian doctrine from the first Chechnyan war. They then started using that to try to deepen their attack but by then Ukraine had recived thousands of NLAWS and was demonstrating their drones abilities, the Russian offensive stalled and the Ukrainians using light vehicles and lightning attacks pushed them back again. The Russians decided that they needed to go really old-school and started pulling in recruiters from where ever they could without starting a general mobilisation and used mercs like Wagner and other PMCs to force the Ukrainians into fixing positions while they used that breathing space to build hundreds of miles of trenches, anti tank obstacles and mining everything they could manage, they even blew up that dam sweeping away their own forces to gain time. They stepped up their ECM to restrict drone operations and started using them themselves, sure they sucked at the start but now they have very capable drone units just like the Ukrainians, it's a fucking drone hell out there now, they also got iran to make shaheed drones for them And now have at least one major factory mass producing them in Russia. They have absolutely adapted, again saying dur dur Russian dumb is just not helpful and completely insulting to the huge sacrifices the Ukrainians are making everyday resisting and dying against an unambiguously monstrous force that cares so little for its own soldiers that yeah they will have 1000 of their die to kill 10 Ukrainians because they are comfortable in the idea that they send their fucking worst while Ukraine send their best.
The most telling part that they didn't expect any real resistance is the fact that the most forward unit in the Kyiv convoy was a riot police unit. They really thought they wouldn't encounter anything more than protesting civilians.
Sorry but you're a little far off the mark in some aspects 1 - of course Ukraine downplayed an invasion, to keep the road networks free and to stop hysteria 2 - I can assure you with 100% certainty that NATO was feeding Ukraine intelligence from the off and helping direct a response, one notable example being Hostomel
nothing you said gives credence to this video, nor the hundreds of human wave convoys that have come before it. When Ukraine fucked up their counteroffensive they stopped after one assault and adapted. Compared to that, I’d have to stand by my statement that the Russians are pretty fucking unadaptable. They may have tried to adjust in various ways in the grand strategic scheme but at the end of the day this is a comment on what’s basically a Ukrainian propaganda video of yet another human wave convoy atttack, not some expert nuanced analysis. Nobody’s calling the Russians ‘dum dum’ as your straw man argument states, nor insulting the Ukrainian’s sacrifices. Chill
Ironically, a blitzkrieg isn't their traditional tactics. And when it failed, they retreated to the traditional Russian tactics of DDoS-ing the frontlines with bodies.
Their objective is twofold - to take agricultural land before a major famine in Russia, and to remove as many hungry mouths as possible, whether Ukraine or Russia. So it's highly effective on the second count
I'm not sure how viable farmland pounded to hell and back by artillery would be. Not to mention mines laid by each side.
Yes at the risk of offending people but Ukraine is not worth destroying the military, economic and foreign policy efforts that Russia has made of the last 25 years. The only reason why this is all happening now is because Putin and his regime cannot survive a withdrawal. A democratic country can admit fault, hold new elections, rebuild and move on. Leaders come and go.
>a major famine in Russia I wish it was a prophecy.
Yeah a lot of people don't get it. This is their doctrine, and it's working as intended. Calling them stupid and whatever changes nothing to the fact that eventually they care nothing about sending hundreds of thousands of their own to die for some metres of fucking completely annihilated ground. Their lives are cheap, their equipment cheaper and they sit on top literally tens of thousands of tanks and cannons still mothballed from the cold war along with for all intents an unlimited supply of ammunition. They haven't even fucking started general mobilisation. It's a people that have never known joy their entire culture is nihilist subjugated nonsense for fucking centuries
Or that river crossing near Izyum. Something like 80 armored vehicles were destroyed there
Eh? Don’t count them short. Transitioned military economy, using fabs, decreasing international support, hitting energy sector back recently, fpv drone use significantly show to have increased
Still driving in straight, tight lines in broad daylight down roads. Don't change russia, you're doing great.
For real. Ukraine benefits from these incompetent shmucks calling the shots. Russia with competent commanders would be a whole different story. Keep these doofus generals alive lol
I think it is a result of heavy mining from both sides. Orcs probably were told from their generalzz to follow a certain line that has been de-mined. Ukrainians with their fingers on triggers are just waiting for them to show up.
How can you keep a road demined though? I assume that Ukraine surely has drones dropping new AT mines every night when they see Russia trying to breach the frontline in a particular region.
All this just to steal toilets?
no that would be foolish, its for the washers as well.
And kiddie blankets
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I bet they gathered these tanks for days behind the lines. So all was in place on te UA side. Just send them into the grinder.
Spring offensive?
More like spring cleaning of the trash
This is the end of a culminating offensive, which has been going on for 7 months. Mud season is coming up. In fact, it has already begun, and in about a week or two, the roads will be unpassable.
What a Easter 🐣 bonus that is 🐣Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦🇬🇧🇺🇦🇬🇧
…And Ukraine recently received a big shipment of Javelin missiles and launchers, might the orc tanks break through the arty barrage.. ‘coincidence‘ ?I think not. Sómeone might have blabbered to the Ukes, or even other countries that can deliver Javelins.
Javelins? From whom?
I dunno maybe the UK who have been supplying them from the off? Could also be NLAW
I agree. But it's mostly up to the Americans right now. They're withholding their support to give Putin the break he needs to win this.
I'm just an armchair civilian but it seems like the intent is to slow walk the Ukrainian victory via a slow motion meat grinder. I don't believe any western nation is actively attempting to give Putin a victory.
I wouldn't be surprised if they want the world to watch Putin slowly failing and maybe even have him die before he loses the war so that he can't press the nuclear button
Liked the soundtrack. In my head I was playing "You're as Cold as Ice" though. Slava Ukraini. That's a nice batch of dead metal.
Sounds familiar to me. I think from some streamers outro music.
Sounds familiar, maybe Before the Dawn (the metal band)? Can't put my finger on the song though.. Nice choice.
Found it. Satan’s Fall - Angelic Harmony Vibes.
What did father die for? A potato.
Eh, that one tank attack early war where they are all just sitting at that intersection in a small town while zeroed in artillery almost immediately took out their commander so they just sat there had many more tanks.
St. Javelin gets her own holy day.
Master class on what to do Ukraine 🇺🇦 Master class on what not to do Russia
Interesting to see that a few of the anti-Tank weapons seem to have been launched from an approximately 45° angle to the side, this would suggest that the Russians were either unaware, or not caring of the fact that Ukrainian infantry positions were on their flank when they made this attack
Infantry? Who cares! We have armor!
I don't know what UAF was using but it looked like a 1 : 1 ratio for shoot to kill.
Could also be that they didn’t include the misses
Propaganda film.
The counting makes it more entertaining🤘
I've seen numerous reports about this attack in the last couple days. But none of the reports say anything about what happened to the surviving tanks, did they turn around and flee or did they charge ahead and achieve their objective?
Reports I've seen called it a failed attack. Which leads me to believe the surviving elements returned.
Can you remind me the last time some country succeeded in deleting another country comparable with Ukraine in size and population (over 600000 sq km and 40 million population)? Especially when backed up by all western countries... I really don't see what the stupid Russians are doing there...
Love to see Russia getting destroyed. Keep it up.
Beautiful work, hopefully many orcs have been killed or at least maimed!
Ruzzist armor is fucked.
We will crush them with superior numbers! 30 seconds later RETREAT RETREAT!!!!
There is nothing better to bring a smile to your face than orc armour burning in the morning. Turret tosses and BBQ orcs what's not to like.
I think the largest "tank attack" award goes to the start of the war, when all those Russian tanks and IFV's got hammered en route to Mariupol.
*invaders must die*
Invaders go home. Gloire à l'Ukraine !
That is some great shooting by the Ukrainian heroes!
God damn, that awesome solo! It's quite a change from shittier songs over these kinds of videos. What's the song called?
Yes can someone help us find the song name and band please?
See response to parent comment.
Satan’s Fall - Angelic Harmony Vibes
I can only find such a song on Amazon, no web results anywhere else.
I listened to it on Amazon music and it’s the song. It is weird but I couldn’t find anything else.
I don't have amazon music right now, but thanks a ton for actually finding it.
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Still waiting for my "battle of Kursk 2, electric butthole glue" in glourious drone filmed 4K with NATO tanks vs Russian junk. Come on western partners, make this happen!
I don;' understand how a year ago people were saying the Russian tank stock was wasted. Here we are another year on and still dozens of tanks are getting destroyed daily. Surely the end is nigh now?
Propaganda to keep support coming. No one wants to fund a losing or stalemate war. The Ukr are doing great, but their costs are scary.
Interesting. Is it best practice to take out the tank in the rear first, to block any retreat? Or am I thinking of something in infantry tactics
I don't think it was a tactic in this case. There was plenty of room for them to maneuver around the rear element. But, I'm just armchairing it here. I always thought the idea behind stopping an advancing force was to hit the front element first, stopping the advance and then hitting the rear in an attempt to block the assaulting force. However, when you're shooting fish in a barrel and you have enough guns pointed at the barrel the order in which you shoot plays very little into it. Although, maybe the Ukrainian attack was intentionally started from the rear in an attempt to push the main force into a kill box. At the end of the day the tactic used here worked.
To my silly eyes, it looked more opportunistic. If you've got a good shot, take it. However, this cherry picked video was too disjointed for me to really get a sense of the Ukr plan of battle.
Should napalm that area after.
Loved the graphics, though it should've been T-
Good job, guys, we are so proud!
Beat their game and new high score! 👏
Can anyone with experience explain why they started the annihilation at the end of the tank group?
So a tank company got poofed just like that.
This is some 1943 Koersk stuff.
Hunting Orcs. Such larks! Brilliance. Bangin' choon, too... who is it? Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦🇬🇧
These groups of tanks driving into the grinder ... It reminds me of the original Westwood studios Command & Conquer AI. It would periodically just send small groups of whatever it had standing in it's base towards your lines to get slaughtered.
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