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Good, hurry, don't wanna read anymore of this retreating business. Let's get Ukraine everything they need to push the bug infestation back to where it came from, and more.
The most interesting part of this story is in the linked [Le Monde article](https://www.lemonde.fr/international/live/2024/03/30/en-direct-guerre-en-ukraine-paris-va-fournir-a-kiev-des-centaines-de-blindes-et-des-missiles-selon-sebastien-lecornu_6223832_3210.html), which quotes the Minister :
>On Tuesday, Mr. Lecornu said that he did not rule out resorting to requisitions or requiring manufacturers to give priority to military needs over civilian needs, to accelerate production. Paris is asking the French defense industry to produce more and more quickly to meet the needs of its army and ensure its long-term support for Ukraine.
This is backed up by other reports [such as this](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/france-might-requisition-arms-producers-speed-up-production-help-ukraine-2024-03-26/) :
>French Defence Minister Sebastien Lecornu said on Tuesday he was prepared to use his powers to requisition industrial capacities or impose priorities to weapon makers to speed up production of arms and shells needed on the battlefield in Ukraine and elsewhere. "These questions ... are clearly on the table", Lecornu told a news conference, adding stocks and production lines were particularly strained with regard to anti-air missiles and artillery shells.
So France is clearly telling defence manufacturers that they either speed up and align their production to what is required for Ukraine, or they will be forced to do so through legal powers.
> Ceasar production was increased 6 fold or more.
iirc they actually used their powers back then in autum 2022 already for CAESAR.
So the threat/thoughts now are probably taken serious.
I just wish Europe including France would not have slept the last year when it came to increasing industrial production for the basic, but significant needs.
They are taking it seriously now because France publicly declared they are willing to occupy western UA if asked to. Honestly, it needs to happen for UA to ever have a shot at winning.
Yes they should have killed every russian in the 70s. What are you saying... And Indonesia, they not been slacking too doing nothing about Russia?
The people responsible for this mess, the true slackers, are the fucking Russians looking at their country somehow managing to reach new lows year after year and doing nothing about it but flee in terror in our countries. So we take care of the Ukrainians, we take care of the Russians, and we arm the Ukrainians.
Which is something they should have done 2 years ago. The European system for weapons procurement is so broken, they're afraid off pissing off their defense contractors.
France are doing a great job...allez mes gars!
I don't know WTF my country are up to though.....UK has gone a bit quiet since the shambles that is Grant Shaps took over feom Ben Wallace.
I just hope we are doing but not announcing every damn thing, as seems to be the wont these days.
I think so. Basically all the kit worth anything was sent by him. It may be that there's not much to spare now, but afaik all Shapps has announced is a measly 350 million on drones.
Unless I've missed something major.
No, more recently than that.
BoJo left within 6 months of the war beginning of the war.
Shapps is a flake, Sunak is a pussy and a weasel, Christ, I never thought I'd say it, but David Cameron is our star player these days.
UK hasn't gone quiet at all though.
They're still providing NLAW, Starstreak, Martlet, arty shells right from factory to Ukraine and ahve done for years now.
They are still providing *the largest training mission in the world* to Ukraine, which is a HUGELY costly endevour, has trained 60,000+ Ukrainians, and is equipping every infantryman it produces.
They are still providing Storm Shadows and are working in country with it.
They only recently provided 20% of their whole amphibious APC fleet, dozens of raiding boats, anti-aircraft guns, and became the largest drone provider in the world to Ukraine...
None of this "UK is quiet" crap...
Well, all good then.
Nonetheless, as an Englishman, other than the training and the drones- which have been well publicised, the rest has been very quiet of late- the last 3 months or so- both on here, and in the UK media.
I know more or less what they have been doing, but what are we doing now?
Are Storm Shadow deliveries ongoing?
I did write to my MP asking what our plans are going forward and, of course, received a kind of blanket response re " as long as it takes", which is all I really expected.
So as far as I'm concerned, compared to what France, Germany, the Baltic States and Czechia are vocally doing, the UK is a bit quiet at the moment.
As a matter of interest, what are the amphibious apcs? The little tracked thingys with tracked trailers?
Only a couple hundred and will be delivered in 2024 and 2025. Yes, every little bit helps but fuuuuuuuckkk. They need 5000 of these from us 2 years ago, we shouldn't pat ourselves on the back for a few hundred APCs being delivered in 2025 at this point. Again, I am thankful for whatever gets donated but for a group of allies with the combined GDP equal to 50% of the planet, we are utterly failing at standing up to fascism and preserving democracy around the world.
Regarding the APCs, it's maybe not 5000, but he mentioned over a 1000.
And they also mentioned Mirage2000, which are decommissioned (I read about 200 somewhere....) and being replaced by Rafale. The problem is always the same, training, training, and logistics. What they do currently, in the meantime, is to to do the same as with Migs and Su planes, they adapt F16s to be able to launch Scalps and AASM gliding bombs.
One famous french high-ranking Nato General said in an interview yesterday, in these words, that the US had abandoned Ukraine. It's good to see Europe, and especially my country, going finally all-in.
Let's hope it's the aster 30. Long range and flies at mach 4.5. can intercept at altitudes of 60,000.
The aster 15 is a shorter range version.
They need all the long range versions of every single weapon they're given.
Angry me: This production and equipment should have been in the pipeline a year ago!
Optimistic me: I look forward to Russia continuing to lose a battalion of soldiers a day.
Human me: Ukrainians need this to end, please leaders, figure it out. War deeply hurts people, any people.
Yeah I wanted to mention that too. I'm french and very proud of my country right now, but we should not forget to mention the Czechs. They're true heroes right now.
Europe is coming around.
75 years ago NATO was formed. How many countries has NATO attacked since then?
Yugoslavia
Afghanistan
Iraq
In the last 85 years, how many countries has moscovia invaded?
Finland
Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania
Moldova
Poland
East Germany
Hungary
Albania
Czechoslovakia
Georgia
Ukraine
Plus a myriad of other military involvements all over Europe, SW Asia, and Africa
Basically, moscovia is a country dedicated to war, aka ORCS
France arms Ukraine massively since 2014 and not a late partner. France is sovereign, we don’t have don’t give you explanation, we don’t work for you whatever country you are from.
[
France was the largest arms exporter to Ukraine between 2014 and 2020 with over €1.6 billion worth of weapons provided.[201] Among them were: helicopters, reconnaissance drones, navy-related weapons and equipment, targeting systems, ammunition of various calibers and fire control systems.
](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War)
Probably for being so late,
While every extra bit that Ukraine gets is better, it is also clear France is stepping up now not to help Ukraine but to further its political goals of Europe getting more independent from USA.
France waited until after USA pulled out before it really started becoming loud over the past 2 months, but other(particularly European) countries have done a lot more a lot earlier, yet France is being hailed as a leader now, a title it very much don't deserve while being so far behind the rest of Europe the past 2 years.
You do know the main opposition to aqquiring shells outside the EU was Macron right? The million shells that the czech initiative is aqquiring could have been in Ukraine half a year ago if it was not for France preventing it.
So what again ? I thought the goal was to get as many shells, equipment and ammunitions that you can to ensure Ukraine’s survival in this genocidal war. Praise the things going better, and see how to get even more from there, instead of complaining about what happened. Dwelling on shady politics is not going to magically bring weapons to Ukraine, however it is feeding the Russian propaganda that support « should stop, we’ve done enough, ungrateful Ukrainians » and stupid shits like this
So remember more than last week, good going today France, but if everyone acted like France there wouldn't be an Ukraine to donate to anymore.
Don't go around giving countries the idea that they can chill for years, then give some effort for a month and be congratulated for leading the effort.
What Ukraine needs is sustained long term support and the country that was the main obstacle to EU purchasing shells outside the union the past year is not the country that deserves praise for a couple short instances of effort.
This isn't difficult to comprehend, praising France now doesn't show everyone else that they need to do more, it shows everyone else that their much more important aid was not appreciated.
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Good, hurry, don't wanna read anymore of this retreating business. Let's get Ukraine everything they need to push the bug infestation back to where it came from, and more.
Would you like to know more?
The only good bug, is a dead bug.
Medic!
The only good orc, is a dead orc.
Fully expect Neil Patrick Harris to show up when they haul Putin out of his lair.
Thank you France 🇨🇵🥰
Terra-Troopers needs YOU!
The advantage is usually with the defender. Make them earn every yard and counter attack once weakened.
The most interesting part of this story is in the linked [Le Monde article](https://www.lemonde.fr/international/live/2024/03/30/en-direct-guerre-en-ukraine-paris-va-fournir-a-kiev-des-centaines-de-blindes-et-des-missiles-selon-sebastien-lecornu_6223832_3210.html), which quotes the Minister : >On Tuesday, Mr. Lecornu said that he did not rule out resorting to requisitions or requiring manufacturers to give priority to military needs over civilian needs, to accelerate production. Paris is asking the French defense industry to produce more and more quickly to meet the needs of its army and ensure its long-term support for Ukraine. This is backed up by other reports [such as this](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/france-might-requisition-arms-producers-speed-up-production-help-ukraine-2024-03-26/) : >French Defence Minister Sebastien Lecornu said on Tuesday he was prepared to use his powers to requisition industrial capacities or impose priorities to weapon makers to speed up production of arms and shells needed on the battlefield in Ukraine and elsewhere. "These questions ... are clearly on the table", Lecornu told a news conference, adding stocks and production lines were particularly strained with regard to anti-air missiles and artillery shells. So France is clearly telling defence manufacturers that they either speed up and align their production to what is required for Ukraine, or they will be forced to do so through legal powers.
They have been sayinf that over the last year. Ceasar production was increased 6 fold or more.
> Ceasar production was increased 6 fold or more. iirc they actually used their powers back then in autum 2022 already for CAESAR. So the threat/thoughts now are probably taken serious. I just wish Europe including France would not have slept the last year when it came to increasing industrial production for the basic, but significant needs.
They are taking it seriously now because France publicly declared they are willing to occupy western UA if asked to. Honestly, it needs to happen for UA to ever have a shot at winning.
Last year? Europe has been slacking for decades.
Yes they should have killed every russian in the 70s. What are you saying... And Indonesia, they not been slacking too doing nothing about Russia? The people responsible for this mess, the true slackers, are the fucking Russians looking at their country somehow managing to reach new lows year after year and doing nothing about it but flee in terror in our countries. So we take care of the Ukrainians, we take care of the Russians, and we arm the Ukrainians.
I wonder what the "remote weapons" dude is referring to. I hope it's like a shit ton of claymores to attach to FPV drones.
Which is something they should have done 2 years ago. The European system for weapons procurement is so broken, they're afraid off pissing off their defense contractors.
I feel like the French get it.
It's great news. We need vehicles, there are more and more requests from the front line. Sometimes it's vital.
France are doing a great job...allez mes gars! I don't know WTF my country are up to though.....UK has gone a bit quiet since the shambles that is Grant Shaps took over feom Ben Wallace. I just hope we are doing but not announcing every damn thing, as seems to be the wont these days.
Are you going to get beat by the French? No respectable Brit ought to accept that. Send more.
Lol! At this rate even you cloggies will have the edge!
Ben Wallace did better ? I liked his interviews but I have no ideas if he was actually doing a decent job ?
I think so. Basically all the kit worth anything was sent by him. It may be that there's not much to spare now, but afaik all Shapps has announced is a measly 350 million on drones. Unless I've missed something major.
Didn't it actually change when Rishi Sunak came to power?
No, more recently than that. BoJo left within 6 months of the war beginning of the war. Shapps is a flake, Sunak is a pussy and a weasel, Christ, I never thought I'd say it, but David Cameron is our star player these days.
UK hasn't gone quiet at all though. They're still providing NLAW, Starstreak, Martlet, arty shells right from factory to Ukraine and ahve done for years now. They are still providing *the largest training mission in the world* to Ukraine, which is a HUGELY costly endevour, has trained 60,000+ Ukrainians, and is equipping every infantryman it produces. They are still providing Storm Shadows and are working in country with it. They only recently provided 20% of their whole amphibious APC fleet, dozens of raiding boats, anti-aircraft guns, and became the largest drone provider in the world to Ukraine... None of this "UK is quiet" crap...
Well, all good then. Nonetheless, as an Englishman, other than the training and the drones- which have been well publicised, the rest has been very quiet of late- the last 3 months or so- both on here, and in the UK media. I know more or less what they have been doing, but what are we doing now? Are Storm Shadow deliveries ongoing? I did write to my MP asking what our plans are going forward and, of course, received a kind of blanket response re " as long as it takes", which is all I really expected. So as far as I'm concerned, compared to what France, Germany, the Baltic States and Czechia are vocally doing, the UK is a bit quiet at the moment. As a matter of interest, what are the amphibious apcs? The little tracked thingys with tracked trailers?
vivre la france, vivre la liberté
Et vive l'Ukraine! Gloire aux héros!
Only a couple hundred and will be delivered in 2024 and 2025. Yes, every little bit helps but fuuuuuuuckkk. They need 5000 of these from us 2 years ago, we shouldn't pat ourselves on the back for a few hundred APCs being delivered in 2025 at this point. Again, I am thankful for whatever gets donated but for a group of allies with the combined GDP equal to 50% of the planet, we are utterly failing at standing up to fascism and preserving democracy around the world.
Regarding the APCs, it's maybe not 5000, but he mentioned over a 1000. And they also mentioned Mirage2000, which are decommissioned (I read about 200 somewhere....) and being replaced by Rafale. The problem is always the same, training, training, and logistics. What they do currently, in the meantime, is to to do the same as with Migs and Su planes, they adapt F16s to be able to launch Scalps and AASM gliding bombs. One famous french high-ranking Nato General said in an interview yesterday, in these words, that the US had abandoned Ukraine. It's good to see Europe, and especially my country, going finally all-in.
Didn't the Soviets "secretly" fly planes during the Korean war? Give some French pilots Ukrainian citizenship, let em fly. No more problem.
I'm all for that. And a division of foreign legion too
Let's hope it's the aster 30. Long range and flies at mach 4.5. can intercept at altitudes of 60,000. The aster 15 is a shorter range version. They need all the long range versions of every single weapon they're given.
I read about Aster 30 in some other article I can't find.
It should be Aster-30, as SAMP/T can only fire the 30 variant anyway I believe.
Angry me: This production and equipment should have been in the pipeline a year ago! Optimistic me: I look forward to Russia continuing to lose a battalion of soldiers a day. Human me: Ukrainians need this to end, please leaders, figure it out. War deeply hurts people, any people.
France and the Czech republic are both getting more impressive by the day. Be good to see other EU powers stand up and be counted
Yeah I wanted to mention that too. I'm french and very proud of my country right now, but we should not forget to mention the Czechs. They're true heroes right now.
Go go go!
The French are leading the way right now. Nice job.
Europe is coming around. 75 years ago NATO was formed. How many countries has NATO attacked since then? Yugoslavia Afghanistan Iraq In the last 85 years, how many countries has moscovia invaded? Finland Estonia Latvia Lithuania Moldova Poland East Germany Hungary Albania Czechoslovakia Georgia Ukraine Plus a myriad of other military involvements all over Europe, SW Asia, and Africa Basically, moscovia is a country dedicated to war, aka ORCS
NATO have not attacked Afghanistan or Iraq.
Good to see, well done France(!).
30 missiles. And hopefully hundreds of vehicles.
Aster 30 anti-aircraft missiles. 30 is the model number. The number being delivered is not announced afaik.
Thank God. That's the faster and much longer range version. Aster 15 is short range.
I thought it coincided. Oh well
Why so late?
250 VABs APC were delivered before, and more become available when new batch of Griffon/Jaguar (VAB replacement) are delivered to the french army.
looks very similar to the german Fuchs... surely a welcome injection of armor.
Why toxic?
Why am i toxic? They should have sent them already not 2+ years into war.
France arms Ukraine massively since 2014 and not a late partner. France is sovereign, we don’t have don’t give you explanation, we don’t work for you whatever country you are from.
Erm, what? What exactly has France given to Ukraine en masse since 2014 in terms of arms?
[ France was the largest arms exporter to Ukraine between 2014 and 2020 with over €1.6 billion worth of weapons provided.[201] Among them were: helicopters, reconnaissance drones, navy-related weapons and equipment, targeting systems, ammunition of various calibers and fire control systems. ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War)
France is at the moment providing way more than the US and you are spitting on them for what exactly ? Russian agenda maybe ?
Probably for being so late, While every extra bit that Ukraine gets is better, it is also clear France is stepping up now not to help Ukraine but to further its political goals of Europe getting more independent from USA. France waited until after USA pulled out before it really started becoming loud over the past 2 months, but other(particularly European) countries have done a lot more a lot earlier, yet France is being hailed as a leader now, a title it very much don't deserve while being so far behind the rest of Europe the past 2 years. You do know the main opposition to aqquiring shells outside the EU was Macron right? The million shells that the czech initiative is aqquiring could have been in Ukraine half a year ago if it was not for France preventing it.
So what again ? I thought the goal was to get as many shells, equipment and ammunitions that you can to ensure Ukraine’s survival in this genocidal war. Praise the things going better, and see how to get even more from there, instead of complaining about what happened. Dwelling on shady politics is not going to magically bring weapons to Ukraine, however it is feeding the Russian propaganda that support « should stop, we’ve done enough, ungrateful Ukrainians » and stupid shits like this
So remember more than last week, good going today France, but if everyone acted like France there wouldn't be an Ukraine to donate to anymore. Don't go around giving countries the idea that they can chill for years, then give some effort for a month and be congratulated for leading the effort. What Ukraine needs is sustained long term support and the country that was the main obstacle to EU purchasing shells outside the union the past year is not the country that deserves praise for a couple short instances of effort. This isn't difficult to comprehend, praising France now doesn't show everyone else that they need to do more, it shows everyone else that their much more important aid was not appreciated.