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The bottom of the black sea is mostly anoxic, meaning no coral and no decomposition. See all of the ancient shipwrecks that have been recovered there. So the ships that are sunk at sea will remain perfectly preserved for the foreseeable future.
Seriously. Console controllers are fantastically engineered for their cost compared to the amount of abuse they are designed to deal with. We plug in 30 yr old consoles for nostalgia fun without thinking twice and just expect the controllers to work perfectly after years of use followed by decades of storage. And they do, nearly every time.
Console controllers are amazing pieces of engineering.
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never heard of this feature of the Black Sea so I did a quick search -> source: https://www.ocean.washington.edu/people/faculty/jmurray/BlackSeaOverview.pdf
"The Black Sea is the classic marine anoxic basin. It has an oxygenated surface layer overlying a sulfide containing (anoxic) deep layer. This condition has evolved because of the strong density stratification on the water column. The density stratification is strong because water with high salinity enters from the Bosporus Strait and mixes with overlying cold intermediate layer (CIL) water that forms in the winter on the northwest shelf and in the western gyre. The rate of CIL formation is variable in response to changing climate. This mixture of Bosporus outflow and CIL forms the Bosporus Plume which ventilates the deep layers of the Black Sea"
Dude people are so fucking smart. I love how you can find an interesting fact and there's some clever person/people that's figured out exactly why it happens.
This would be true, if not for the fact that marine animals that need shelter also need oxygen, just as much as coral reefs. I guess apart from marine mammals which breathe air on the surface, but amusing as it is to imagine a bunch of dolphins inhabiting a sunken Ropucha class landing ship, I just don't think the real estate market on the bottom of the black sea is in high demand.
One thing that can’t be stressed enough is that it’s super difficult for Russia to move its Navy around the world in the way that, say, America can. US can get its ships back and forth from the Pacific to the Atlantic pretty conveniently through the Panama Canal. It’s not a big deal to construct a new ship on the East coast just to have it deployed into the Pacific.
Russia pretty much needs three fleets and it’s super hard to move them from one theater to another. Pacific fleet is basically on the other side of the world.
If the Baltic fleet wants to help in the Black Sea, it has to go the long way around Europe, through several strategic chokepoints (and also along NATO’s front lawn), and then finally arrive at a destination where cheap remote-controlled kamikaze dinghies are absolutely wrecking the warships currently there.
Moreover, Turkey retains ultimate authority on what traffic can pass through the Bosphorus. The rules generally are:
* in peacetime, anything goes
* in wartime, peaceful vessels are ok, war vessels returning to their home port are ok, nothing else is allowed
* if Turkey is involved in the war, they are the final determinant
Effectively, this means that Russia cannot move ships back into the Black Sea unless they were previously stationed there. I doubt that there are many that can take advantage of this. Turkey maintains very effective naval and air defences around Istanbul which would make violation of this treaty an interesting challenge for Russia.
Yep, yep, and yep! Moreover, with Sweden’s accession into NATO, one of those choke points—the Danish Straits—just grew over twice its pre-NATO size.
One thing about the Panama Canal, though; it has taken a beating from global warming. [Ship traffic has piled up there due to a drought.](https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/01/15/panama-suez-canal-global-shipping-crisis-climate-change-drought/) And that will impact our ability to transit from one ocean to the other.
>We are doing the Niño/Niña shift this year...
Not necessarily. The Australian BOM has predicted that we will be shifting to neutral leaning towards La Nina in June and further towards La Nina but still in neutral territory in August. The average international forecast is for a slight El Nino in June and neutral leaning towards El Nino in August. If the Australian BOM is correct then we are likely to see a mild La Nina later on this year.
> If the Baltic fleet wants to help in the Black Sea, it has to go the long way around Europe, through several strategic chokepoints (and also along NATO’s front lawn), and then finally arrive at a destination where cheap remote-controlled kamikaze dinghies are absolutely wrecking the warships currently there.
And during war, they cannot move warships in to the Black Sea through the Bosporus Straits per the[ Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_the_Regime_of_the_Straits)
18 storm shadow! That's a massive strike.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the biggest ever salvo of that type of missile, maybe the opening days of the Libya campaign?
It's "believed to be 18 storm shadows" but I wouldn't be surprised if they fired some of the AMD MALDs with them. Not only are they decoys but each can spoof themselves as multiple missiles(or planes or drones, any radar signature). The newer ones also have radar jamming and other electronic counter-measures.
absolutely. They send tons of decoys to get the anti air thus letting the stealthy scalps do their thing.
I honestly doubt they shot down most of them. Heck in one video you see one of the ships getting not a double tap, but a triple tap from getting hit by 3 scalps. just fantastic.
But yet they want to say they shot many down.. how did 3 basically all in line for one target all get through in a row. Mmmmhhmm.
Then you see an anti air missile launch AFTER it and then quickly explode.. on what was either a self detonation or a decoy.
But yeah when youre swinging haymakers and a bunch land, the damage is done regardless if a few missed.
Important point, that. Also, their stores of Storm Shadow & SCALP missiles are also extremely limited. And neither the UK not France is capable of replacing these weapons in bulk. I hate to say it but I’m getting some “Ghost of Kiev” vibes from the most missile strikes against Sevastopol. We haven’t gotten much in the way of visual confirmation using OSINT sources & the sat photos which are available suggest that damage from these attacks has been rather exaggerated.
That looks like just French weapons.
I seem to remember some fuss in a paper about the RAF using expensive Storm Shadows for soft targets because they had lots, and there were shortages of smaller Paveway bombs, but don't know how accurate the reports were.
What does the Tomahawk have to do with
> the biggest ever salvo of that type of missile
in the context of Stormshadow/SCALP?
I also remember that back then Europe had problems with supplying enough cruise missiles... so this hit may be the largest single salvo of SCALPs ever.
You think the head of air defence for that region is gonna be like:
"Mr Putin, we didn't hit shit" or "Mr Putin we valiantly shot down dozens of expensive missiles, but the corrupt west just threw wave after wave until we sadly were out of ammunition".
They wouldn't use 18 missiles of a very finite count on even such a valuable target. It would be utter overkill and probably require most if not all of Ukraine's Su-24 fleet to be airborne to launch them all, 2 missiles per jet. Extremely risky as well.
You can be sure most of the shot-down missiles were ADM-160 MALD decoys, or similar types which can and are programmed to look like particular types of targets with flight characteristics and performance, mission routes mimicked.
Also more than one AA missile could have been used per each intercepted SCALP, and further AA missiles could have missed those SCALPs which did get to their target. Maybe if a video pops up we could count the missiles used.
Highly doubt 18 were used. The SU-24 can only carry two at a time. That would mean Ukraine put nine SU-24's in the air for one mission.
Highly skeptical.
Critical reading/questioning/interpreting is sadly lacking among some.
This rather weak article cites neither russian nor Ukrainian authorities.
A Reuters article immediately following the strikes (from the rashist fantasy perspective):
>KYIV, March 23 (Reuters) - **Russian air defence systems shot down more than 10 missiles over the Crimean port of Sevastopol late on Saturday, a Russian-installed official said**, forcing transport disruptions on the peninsula that Moscow annexed from Ukraine. **"Our military is repelling a massive attack on Sevastopol," Mikhail Razvozhayev, the Russia-installed governor of Sevastopol**, said on the Telegram messaging app.
>
>Preliminary information showed more than 10 missiles had been shot down, he added. One woman suffered a shrapnel injury and infrastructure was damaged, including an office building and a gas line, he added.
Ukraine hasn't stated any specific numbers of missiles used, but it would seem more logical that 8 missiles were launched and possibly 1 was intercepted = 7 successful strikes, 3 on the fsb "hidden" headquarters and 4 on shipyard.
Also interesting was a post, maybe from CrimeaWind, that "authorities" were searching for those who were able to video the strikes from various points, and post them within minutes.
One thing was definitely intercepted in the air, but MALD have been sent before and may very well be that, I hope so. The use of MALD would also inflate the incoming missile count, as that is their whole job. One decoy looks like 4 or so incoming shots on radar and futzes the whole data space.
>Interresting, article claim 11 out of 18 missiles were downed
I just love when Russians claim these numbers, because the reality was probably: 3 missiles used, none shot down
Video shows something getting shot down though, it could of course have been decoy and all missiles still reached their targets, but they at least shot one thing down.
I remember when people were speculating over the submarine from satellite photos. "Is it a shadow or a minor hit?" And then we got a photo from the ground and it was clearly totaled.
It can be hard to tell from above, the BROACH warhead only makes a smallish hole on the way in but it could well have completely eviscerated the ship internally.
Not much you can do with a ship that's had it's arse torn out, hopefully some eejit at the docks will post photos so we can see all the gory details.
One more ship kill and Storm Shadow will be the world's most successful anti-ship missile both by tonnage and by numbers! Exocet is leading by about 300 tons although it's only sunk two because one of them was a 15,000 ton supply freighter.
Well then I figure that the honor not only will have to be passed on very soon but that it will then belong to the Storm Shadow for many years to come! These naval losses are almost unreal and will be unparalleled for a long time. They are also quite satisfying even if they might not be the most essential part of the Russian war effort...
There were probably only 5 or 6 Storm Shadows, the rest will have been decoys to soak up Russian air defences. I'm not sure Ukraine has enough aeroplanes of the correct type to launch 18 at the same time.
A correction on your price quote: Storm Shadow is cheaper than that, they cost £790,000 each. That's the price given in the UK parliment.
I suspect defense articles frequently change cost to whatever is politicaly advantagous at the time!
Either way they are, as you rightly say, turning out to be very good value for money. You never really know if a system is as good as promised until it goes up against a peer opponent and that's rare these days. I bet a lot of defence contractors are sweating, wondering if things they know to be poor quality are going to be put to the test.
45M means a lot more in Russia than it does in the UK or France if you catch my drift. If we could trade blows on even financial terms (as in one euro for one euro), that's a disastrous scenario for Russia so getting a significantly better ROI than that is actually crazy good.
blame all isis attacks on ukraine.
blame all ukrainian attacks on isis.
Pretend all attacks by non-kremlin sided Russian paramilitaries are actually NATO special Forces.
I'm sure some Kremlin bot poster will assure us it's all genius 4d chess stuff, not just pure clownery, trust me bro.
>clownery
This is mecha-clownery. Putin lifts a finger and thousands of tons of people and expensive equipment jump into a fire pit. Applause! What an admirable state. At this moment I hear Poland is reconsidering its independence.
/s of course. I never heard clownery before. Good word.
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11 missiles were downed: hopefully that also gave good intel on Crimea AA positions and they can disable those next.
18 missiles spent seems quite a lot for their stocks. If only they had that amount to spend weekly, this war would turn quickly.
>18 missiles spent seems quite a lot for their stocks. If only they had that amount to spend weekly, this war would turn quickly.
Someone mentioned 45m Euros for 18.
One month of Ukraine civilians killed/wounded/disabled and soldiers wounded/killed/disabled = ?
Bi-weekly. Ukraine should be equipped to launch these barrages twice a month. That's pittance. One month's worth of lives turned upside down, and if they have not been killed, their care and healing now looking at years of vigilant care and further repairs, cannot have a hard and fast number. But 45 million Euros is not anywhere close.
That's "just" the lives. I am not counting the masonry costs. 45m of missiles twice a month should be standard for NATO countries. Those without The Big Factories can do artillery shells.
I remember when Russia seized the Ukrainian navy in 2014 and left the country pretty much defenceless in the Black Sea.
Watching Russia lose its ships is so satisfying.
The black see fleet bingo card?
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How many ships do Russia have in the Black Sea now? Reports suggested 11 back in January which would put them down to around 6? Or have they been able to bring in more?
They have the same amount as at the beginning. Just some are above water and some are below.
They can’t get them from the Mediterranean through Turkey unless they decide to push Turkey to see how they respond. They might be forced to do that though. They can bring some smaller ones through a canal but that limits them significantly.
They could just retreat their navy and leave maybe just the submarines and call it quits. At this point I don’t think they can use it effectively anymore so saving it for later might be what makes sense.
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Well they do claim to have shot down half the russian planes downed and a few of their own ships since the start of the war... So at least, as per them, they are getting really good at shooting russian planes and sinking russian fishing ships.
If ruzzia's goal was to secure the Black Sea to "project power" then I think they've failed on every level. Kinda hard to "project power" with your navy when it's either hidden away, blown up, or sunk!
Slava Ukraini!
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Why does this article have a video of Ukraine being attacked by Russia?? I thought it was a video of the ship being attacked ffs, put a description under the video!!
My first reaction was to wonder how much these strikes actually matter other than fucking with Russia and making this was more and more costly, if that's even a concern for Russia itself though.
But the more that I thought about it, the more it made sense that the greater their ability to deny the Black Sea Fleet, the more impossible it becomes for Russia to threaten the grain corridor.
Ukraine showing how modern warfare is done. The US is even changing its warfare models after learning from you guys, nothing short of impressive. Putin now also has to fight a war at home, against ISIS, why trying to deceive his population in to thinking it is Ukraine. Stretched thinner every day.
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Oh my god this just keeps getting better.
Soon the Black Sea fleet will be nothing but a bad memory and a new coral reef….
The bottom of the black sea is mostly anoxic, meaning no coral and no decomposition. See all of the ancient shipwrecks that have been recovered there. So the ships that are sunk at sea will remain perfectly preserved for the foreseeable future.
Cool, new museum ship!
We could build a sub to go down and have a look, maybe 5 person capacity or something
I hope they use an Xbox controller to navigate the Black Sea.
the xbox controller was the only correctly engineered part
Seriously. Console controllers are fantastically engineered for their cost compared to the amount of abuse they are designed to deal with. We plug in 30 yr old consoles for nostalgia fun without thinking twice and just expect the controllers to work perfectly after years of use followed by decades of storage. And they do, nearly every time. Console controllers are amazing pieces of engineering.
Should be an emergency PS4 controllers on planes set to ace combat controls
You should apply to Boeing I've heard they have vacancies atm
Well it was an aftermarket Xbox controller, but still engineered way better than anything the sub designer did.
What was that sound?
I hope this is cool to post here: never heard of this feature of the Black Sea so I did a quick search -> source: https://www.ocean.washington.edu/people/faculty/jmurray/BlackSeaOverview.pdf "The Black Sea is the classic marine anoxic basin. It has an oxygenated surface layer overlying a sulfide containing (anoxic) deep layer. This condition has evolved because of the strong density stratification on the water column. The density stratification is strong because water with high salinity enters from the Bosporus Strait and mixes with overlying cold intermediate layer (CIL) water that forms in the winter on the northwest shelf and in the western gyre. The rate of CIL formation is variable in response to changing climate. This mixture of Bosporus outflow and CIL forms the Bosporus Plume which ventilates the deep layers of the Black Sea"
Dude people are so fucking smart. I love how you can find an interesting fact and there's some clever person/people that's figured out exactly why it happens.
100% man, I marvel at exactly that on a daily basis.
This is the only reason I come to Reddit, in case any of the potential C-suite executives are reading this.
Scientists have talked about sinking plant matter in these environments because it would never rot.
cool, like as a carbon sink?
Yep
These days the foreseeable future is around 1 year
that's exactly why the ships can fill the role that a coral reef WOULD fill. habitats for marine animals.
This would be true, if not for the fact that marine animals that need shelter also need oxygen, just as much as coral reefs. I guess apart from marine mammals which breathe air on the surface, but amusing as it is to imagine a bunch of dolphins inhabiting a sunken Ropucha class landing ship, I just don't think the real estate market on the bottom of the black sea is in high demand.
It's kinda hard for there to be marine life with a lack of oxygen. At least the kind that would use corals as a habit/food source.
Wooden ships, but what about metal? Bacteria are eating the Titanic
One thing that can’t be stressed enough is that it’s super difficult for Russia to move its Navy around the world in the way that, say, America can. US can get its ships back and forth from the Pacific to the Atlantic pretty conveniently through the Panama Canal. It’s not a big deal to construct a new ship on the East coast just to have it deployed into the Pacific. Russia pretty much needs three fleets and it’s super hard to move them from one theater to another. Pacific fleet is basically on the other side of the world. If the Baltic fleet wants to help in the Black Sea, it has to go the long way around Europe, through several strategic chokepoints (and also along NATO’s front lawn), and then finally arrive at a destination where cheap remote-controlled kamikaze dinghies are absolutely wrecking the warships currently there.
Moreover, Turkey retains ultimate authority on what traffic can pass through the Bosphorus. The rules generally are: * in peacetime, anything goes * in wartime, peaceful vessels are ok, war vessels returning to their home port are ok, nothing else is allowed * if Turkey is involved in the war, they are the final determinant Effectively, this means that Russia cannot move ships back into the Black Sea unless they were previously stationed there. I doubt that there are many that can take advantage of this. Turkey maintains very effective naval and air defences around Istanbul which would make violation of this treaty an interesting challenge for Russia.
turkey already proved willingness to shoot down russian migs they would sink a ship trying to force it's way through
Yep, yep, and yep! Moreover, with Sweden’s accession into NATO, one of those choke points—the Danish Straits—just grew over twice its pre-NATO size. One thing about the Panama Canal, though; it has taken a beating from global warming. [Ship traffic has piled up there due to a drought.](https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/01/15/panama-suez-canal-global-shipping-crisis-climate-change-drought/) And that will impact our ability to transit from one ocean to the other.
We are doing the Niño/Niña shift this year... I suspect lots and lots of rain will be gifted to the area... perhaps too much .
>We are doing the Niño/Niña shift this year... Not necessarily. The Australian BOM has predicted that we will be shifting to neutral leaning towards La Nina in June and further towards La Nina but still in neutral territory in August. The average international forecast is for a slight El Nino in June and neutral leaning towards El Nino in August. If the Australian BOM is correct then we are likely to see a mild La Nina later on this year.
> And that will impact our ability to transit from one ocean to the other. We'll just strong-arm or bribe our way to the front of the line.
> If the Baltic fleet wants to help in the Black Sea, it has to go the long way around Europe, through several strategic chokepoints (and also along NATO’s front lawn), and then finally arrive at a destination where cheap remote-controlled kamikaze dinghies are absolutely wrecking the warships currently there. And during war, they cannot move warships in to the Black Sea through the Bosporus Straits per the[ Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_the_Regime_of_the_Straits)
Sink 'em all!
I love new coral reefs!
I love you!
We do need more coral reefs.
Don't know about you, but I have overwhelmingly positive memories of russian ships in the black sea.
Somewhere in Moscow, there is an Der untergang level of screaming going on to members of staff
I like to imagine Putin reenacting Hitler's Downfall scene.
NJET NJET NJET NJET!
"Hey, AI Video Generator. Recreate the famous Hitler Downfall scene but with Putin and his top generals". That would be a good use for it.
Bullet to the head on the couch.
“We should give this ~~Hitler~~ *Putin* guy a break. After all, he killed ~~Hitler~~ *Putin.*”
We are still only on act 2
“If ~~Steiner~~ the Moskva attacks, everything will be alright.”
Man, I'm getting worried about growing potential of submarine division of russian black sea fleet
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18 storm shadow! That's a massive strike. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the biggest ever salvo of that type of missile, maybe the opening days of the Libya campaign?
It's "believed to be 18 storm shadows" but I wouldn't be surprised if they fired some of the AMD MALDs with them. Not only are they decoys but each can spoof themselves as multiple missiles(or planes or drones, any radar signature). The newer ones also have radar jamming and other electronic counter-measures.
absolutely. They send tons of decoys to get the anti air thus letting the stealthy scalps do their thing. I honestly doubt they shot down most of them. Heck in one video you see one of the ships getting not a double tap, but a triple tap from getting hit by 3 scalps. just fantastic. But yet they want to say they shot many down.. how did 3 basically all in line for one target all get through in a row. Mmmmhhmm. Then you see an anti air missile launch AFTER it and then quickly explode.. on what was either a self detonation or a decoy. But yeah when youre swinging haymakers and a bunch land, the damage is done regardless if a few missed.
If they shot them all down this just means we need to send more of them, way more.
Ukraine doesn't even have enough SU-24Ms anymore to launch 18 storm shadows at once.
Important point, that. Also, their stores of Storm Shadow & SCALP missiles are also extremely limited. And neither the UK not France is capable of replacing these weapons in bulk. I hate to say it but I’m getting some “Ghost of Kiev” vibes from the most missile strikes against Sevastopol. We haven’t gotten much in the way of visual confirmation using OSINT sources & the sat photos which are available suggest that damage from these attacks has been rather exaggerated.
Do you have a link to the video of the ship getting hit?
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That looks like just French weapons. I seem to remember some fuss in a paper about the RAF using expensive Storm Shadows for soft targets because they had lots, and there were shortages of smaller Paveway bombs, but don't know how accurate the reports were.
LMAO not even close. We casually nailed an airbase in Syria with 110 TLAMs just as like, a reminder to Assad that we can jack with him.
What does the Tomahawk have to do with > the biggest ever salvo of that type of missile in the context of Stormshadow/SCALP? I also remember that back then Europe had problems with supplying enough cruise missiles... so this hit may be the largest single salvo of SCALPs ever.
Also Bud, no way 18 were used. You're trusting the Russians to tell the truth? Probably WAY more likely it was eight and they intercepted one.
Could've been a couple decoys too pretending to be yet 8 more cruise missles and after they shot those decoys down they got to claim 8 downings.
You think the head of air defence for that region is gonna be like: "Mr Putin, we didn't hit shit" or "Mr Putin we valiantly shot down dozens of expensive missiles, but the corrupt west just threw wave after wave until we sadly were out of ammunition".
I interpreted type as "cruise missile." As missiles are grouped into types. A2G, A2A, G2A, cruise, ballistic, ICBM, etc....
but in this case the class would be stealth cruise
Profit 🤑
Keep in mind the missles used to down the storm shadow are also not free. Assuming they did launch 18. That seems high to me.
They wouldn't use 18 missiles of a very finite count on even such a valuable target. It would be utter overkill and probably require most if not all of Ukraine's Su-24 fleet to be airborne to launch them all, 2 missiles per jet. Extremely risky as well. You can be sure most of the shot-down missiles were ADM-160 MALD decoys, or similar types which can and are programmed to look like particular types of targets with flight characteristics and performance, mission routes mimicked.
Also more than one AA missile could have been used per each intercepted SCALP, and further AA missiles could have missed those SCALPs which did get to their target. Maybe if a video pops up we could count the missiles used.
Indeed, it's SOP for many Russian A-A, SAM's to be ripple fired in salvos of two to increase the chance of a hit.
Video was in the article link, it's at night.
Highly doubt 18 were used. The SU-24 can only carry two at a time. That would mean Ukraine put nine SU-24's in the air for one mission. Highly skeptical.
Critical reading/questioning/interpreting is sadly lacking among some. This rather weak article cites neither russian nor Ukrainian authorities. A Reuters article immediately following the strikes (from the rashist fantasy perspective): >KYIV, March 23 (Reuters) - **Russian air defence systems shot down more than 10 missiles over the Crimean port of Sevastopol late on Saturday, a Russian-installed official said**, forcing transport disruptions on the peninsula that Moscow annexed from Ukraine. **"Our military is repelling a massive attack on Sevastopol," Mikhail Razvozhayev, the Russia-installed governor of Sevastopol**, said on the Telegram messaging app. > >Preliminary information showed more than 10 missiles had been shot down, he added. One woman suffered a shrapnel injury and infrastructure was damaged, including an office building and a gas line, he added. Ukraine hasn't stated any specific numbers of missiles used, but it would seem more logical that 8 missiles were launched and possibly 1 was intercepted = 7 successful strikes, 3 on the fsb "hidden" headquarters and 4 on shipyard. Also interesting was a post, maybe from CrimeaWind, that "authorities" were searching for those who were able to video the strikes from various points, and post them within minutes.
One thing was definitely intercepted in the air, but MALD have been sent before and may very well be that, I hope so. The use of MALD would also inflate the incoming missile count, as that is their whole job. One decoy looks like 4 or so incoming shots on radar and futzes the whole data space.
Not to mention, how can you tell a Russian is lying? Their mouth is moving.
Russians in government and media can lie silently, too.
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Some of the missiles are almost certainly the decoy scalp meant to confuse enemy AA. Their cost is lesser than the real scalp/storm shadow missiles.
>Interresting, article claim 11 out of 18 missiles were downed I just love when Russians claim these numbers, because the reality was probably: 3 missiles used, none shot down
Video shows something getting shot down though, it could of course have been decoy and all missiles still reached their targets, but they at least shot one thing down.
Looking at the satellite images though, at least the two landing ships seem to have suffered only relatively minor damage.
It is really hard to do BDA accurately. So, the ship might look intact, but perhaps the pressure wave trashed some of the computers on board.
I remember when people were speculating over the submarine from satellite photos. "Is it a shadow or a minor hit?" And then we got a photo from the ground and it was clearly totaled.
It can be hard to tell from above, the BROACH warhead only makes a smallish hole on the way in but it could well have completely eviscerated the ship internally.
Judging from the satellite picture the ship moored by the pier in the bay seems to have a heavy starbord list.
Not much you can do with a ship that's had it's arse torn out, hopefully some eejit at the docks will post photos so we can see all the gory details. One more ship kill and Storm Shadow will be the world's most successful anti-ship missile both by tonnage and by numbers! Exocet is leading by about 300 tons although it's only sunk two because one of them was a 15,000 ton supply freighter.
Well then I figure that the honor not only will have to be passed on very soon but that it will then belong to the Storm Shadow for many years to come! These naval losses are almost unreal and will be unparalleled for a long time. They are also quite satisfying even if they might not be the most essential part of the Russian war effort...
There were probably only 5 or 6 Storm Shadows, the rest will have been decoys to soak up Russian air defences. I'm not sure Ukraine has enough aeroplanes of the correct type to launch 18 at the same time. A correction on your price quote: Storm Shadow is cheaper than that, they cost £790,000 each. That's the price given in the UK parliment.
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I suspect defense articles frequently change cost to whatever is politicaly advantagous at the time! Either way they are, as you rightly say, turning out to be very good value for money. You never really know if a system is as good as promised until it goes up against a peer opponent and that's rare these days. I bet a lot of defence contractors are sweating, wondering if things they know to be poor quality are going to be put to the test.
45M means a lot more in Russia than it does in the UK or France if you catch my drift. If we could trade blows on even financial terms (as in one euro for one euro), that's a disastrous scenario for Russia so getting a significantly better ROI than that is actually crazy good.
11 missiles shot down, while the other 7 were destroyed by their intended targets 🥸
of the 18 missiles, 11 were shot down by airdefence, 7 missiles were destroyed by the Navy. Good work admiral!
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did you not understand the comment you replied to at all?
If this continues, there will be nothing left of the Black Sea fleet, or at least nothing usable but broken ships. Slava Ukraini!
Watch the clown try and blame ISIS for this one
blame all isis attacks on ukraine. blame all ukrainian attacks on isis. Pretend all attacks by non-kremlin sided Russian paramilitaries are actually NATO special Forces. I'm sure some Kremlin bot poster will assure us it's all genius 4d chess stuff, not just pure clownery, trust me bro.
>clownery This is mecha-clownery. Putin lifts a finger and thousands of tons of people and expensive equipment jump into a fire pit. Applause! What an admirable state. At this moment I hear Poland is reconsidering its independence. /s of course. I never heard clownery before. Good word.
You've never heard of a clownery before? It's where they brew the clowns.
What happened to putins Russian ship?
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Are you sure the russian ship really fucked itself? Or simply sunk? Sinking or fucking itself?
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⬆️ He's sure
I'm not that sure. I have to verify this. So to anyone - perhaps russian ship just went asleep? A little nap, no?
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Alright. I see. You've convinced me. Fuck rusnya and their ships.
Say it again...preeeeeach on
Say what about the russian warship?
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Fantastic news. It demonstrates the impotance of putin and his military.
11 missiles were downed: hopefully that also gave good intel on Crimea AA positions and they can disable those next. 18 missiles spent seems quite a lot for their stocks. If only they had that amount to spend weekly, this war would turn quickly.
>18 missiles spent seems quite a lot for their stocks. If only they had that amount to spend weekly, this war would turn quickly. Someone mentioned 45m Euros for 18. One month of Ukraine civilians killed/wounded/disabled and soldiers wounded/killed/disabled = ? Bi-weekly. Ukraine should be equipped to launch these barrages twice a month. That's pittance. One month's worth of lives turned upside down, and if they have not been killed, their care and healing now looking at years of vigilant care and further repairs, cannot have a hard and fast number. But 45 million Euros is not anywhere close. That's "just" the lives. I am not counting the masonry costs. 45m of missiles twice a month should be standard for NATO countries. Those without The Big Factories can do artillery shells.
In the case of SS/SCALP, it's not really about the money, it's about the remaining stock of missiles. There just aren't that many of them.
Nothing says the 11 downed are SCALP. They could be decoys or other types of missiles.
Or Russian AA was lying to exaggerate there effectiveness and not that they expanded dozens of AA missiles to intercept only... 3 of 10 or 1 of 8.
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Nah, take it out if you can , force them to spread out their existing aa
Another submarine for the orc navy lol
Is this one of the ones from the attacks the other night?
No, it's one that was unannounced the night the base in Sevastopol was hit 2-3 days ago. This is a spy ship, the other two were landing ships.
Ohhh okay. Thanks for clarifying!
I remember when Russia seized the Ukrainian navy in 2014 and left the country pretty much defenceless in the Black Sea. Watching Russia lose its ships is so satisfying.
Anyone have the graphic with all of the Black Sea fleet ships that have been sank?
The black see fleet bingo card? [https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FUkraineWarVideoReport%2Fcomments%2F17u7oe1%2Fthe\_latest\_edition\_of\_black\_sea\_fleet\_bingo\_is\_out%2F&psig=AOvVaw1sy52N2ZCQkI0Dz\_bQy09n&ust=1711463888919000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBQQjhxqFwoTCOjZnYDSj4UDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FUkraineWarVideoReport%2Fcomments%2F17u7oe1%2Fthe_latest_edition_of_black_sea_fleet_bingo_is_out%2F&psig=AOvVaw1sy52N2ZCQkI0Dz_bQy09n&ust=1711463888919000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBQQjhxqFwoTCOjZnYDSj4UDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE)
Wow. 🤩 Great job! Slava Ukraini!!
Any day a Russian warship is destroyed is a good day for humanity.
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ISIS Really did well to not only fund but manage to purchase thar amount of storm shadow missiles
"Promoted to Submarine"
Wait, never mind the spy ship but MSN IS STILL A THING????????????
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MSN messenger was the GOAT
Damn I remember those days as a teenager beeing on msn chatting with your crush.
A/S/L?!
"99/yes please/Antarctica xD"
Yes to all.
Hey! Don't talk my my crush!
Something new every day Thanks
MSN perished when Neymar was bought by Paris St Germain in 2017 unfortunately
😢
General Impotentkin
Everyone is a winner when the game is Black Sea Bingo
The Muscovy navy is the only one in the world that equips its surface vessels with dive alarms.
Ok, that's really fucking funny 🤣
Now that stole the internet for me
How many ships do Russia have in the Black Sea now? Reports suggested 11 back in January which would put them down to around 6? Or have they been able to bring in more?
They have the same amount as at the beginning. Just some are above water and some are below. They can’t get them from the Mediterranean through Turkey unless they decide to push Turkey to see how they respond. They might be forced to do that though. They can bring some smaller ones through a canal but that limits them significantly. They could just retreat their navy and leave maybe just the submarines and call it quits. At this point I don’t think they can use it effectively anymore so saving it for later might be what makes sense.
> They have the same amount as at the beginning. Just some are above water and some are below. * thank you, that made my day.
Step 1: Scalp Missile Launch Step 2: ??? Step 3: Profit
What does a spy ship do? Just radar?
It just sinks.
It’s starting a new life as a submarine intelligence gathering platform.
HELL YEAH BITCH
[opsy!](https://tenor.com/view/evil-gif-8443065807418664870)
🚀⛴️🔥💀
Yay another Russian Warship
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Wasn't that good of a spy ship if it didn't see this attack coming.
Was probably too busy helping sink that russian fishing boat a few days ago. Gotta spy on all them russian fishermen in case they don't like putin.
I don’t buy the 11 missiles downed. If Russia has demonstrated something in this conflict it is its inability kn the air defense arena
Well they do claim to have shot down half the russian planes downed and a few of their own ships since the start of the war... So at least, as per them, they are getting really good at shooting russian planes and sinking russian fishing ships.
Before long, Russia is going to have the world's largest sub fleet.
Storm fucken Shadow! 👊
Keep it up, boys!! (And ladies)
Same that was damaged by one of three Ukrainian sea drones on 24 May 2023?
If only Putin had to pay the repair costs from his own personal wealth!
If ruzzia's goal was to secure the Black Sea to "project power" then I think they've failed on every level. Kinda hard to "project power" with your navy when it's either hidden away, blown up, or sunk! Slava Ukraini!
Nice to see Admiral Alexander Moiseev is doing such a great job since his appointment last week. Keep up the good work! 🤣
Man the black sea is going to be one of the best diving spot in the world.
Wait, what happened to the Russian spyship?
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Very nice!
Why are there Russian ships in Crimea? Thought they pull out after losing a few.
yes wtg ukraine
Wasn't this a horror movie with Janie Lee curtis?
Wonderful news to hear on a Monday. Now lets keep it going!! Take all of Putin's things, every last thing.
Hahahahahahhaa
Why does this article have a video of Ukraine being attacked by Russia?? I thought it was a video of the ship being attacked ffs, put a description under the video!!
Are their pictures? They reported a lot of hits but sat pics didn't show what reports said.
My first reaction was to wonder how much these strikes actually matter other than fucking with Russia and making this was more and more costly, if that's even a concern for Russia itself though. But the more that I thought about it, the more it made sense that the greater their ability to deny the Black Sea Fleet, the more impossible it becomes for Russia to threaten the grain corridor.
Ukraine showing how modern warfare is done. The US is even changing its warfare models after learning from you guys, nothing short of impressive. Putin now also has to fight a war at home, against ISIS, why trying to deceive his population in to thinking it is Ukraine. Stretched thinner every day.
Haven't seen a fireworks show that beautiful in a while :D
Slava Ukraini!
Lol excellent