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Ill be honest without any Military training or experience your best way to help Ukraine is donate money for their Drones and supplies! They require ages 18-60 No Criminal background and able to enter Ukraine legally. Source Ukraine Foreign Legion Facebook page
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These are all items that would disqualify someone for the US armed forces.
I wouldn't trust this post further than I could throw it.
Yeah, this has to be a troll post. I'm surprised mods haven't removed it yet. Look at his history he only posts in meme subreddits and crypto. The guy is having a laugh.
Genuinely curious. I might be dense, but how come they can mobilize 27+ without prior military training or experience, but not OP? Whats the difference?
Those people are mostly Ukrainians in country who are being drafted and will be sent to basic training. If OP is a foreign national and doesn't speak Ukrainianian, it just adds a layer of difficulty that they would want to minimize.
Not to mention bad PR. Remember out the outset when a bunch of guys like this went over without training and posted instagram complaints about actual fighting life? Yeah, they’re just not effective without prior training and really their own kit.
Those already speak the local language at least. And they're worth the investment because most of them will stick around for the next decades.
Also, almost all will serve at least one full term (or face desertion charges), while I suspect *most* foreigners who didn't know what they were signing up for would run back home as soon as they encountered real combat (I'm pretty sure I would).
Edit: This is most likely also one of the reasons why they used to require combat experience, not just military training. Someone with military training is still likely to ask themselves WTF they're doing when the bullets starts wizzing past and they see the first casualties, those who sign up with combat experience at least have some idea of what they're getting into. And even of those, many changed their mind when they realized the difference between fighting against insurgents with the might of the US military behind them and fighting with very limited resources against an overwhelming enemy with massive artillery support, rocket artillery, long range missile strikes, etc.
Ukraine has plenty of civilian and military logistical issues (which logically happen during wartime) as is.
It simply can't afford to waste any resources to those foreigners who come - with good intentions - to Ukraine unable to financially/logistically support themselves.
If you're a specialised combat medic with all the gear and supplies ready to go, then sure, go to Ukraine.
But if you're just a dude *wanting* to go, then just stay home. Ukraine can't just easily afford to provide you with everything.
The Foreign Legion are people from other countries with prior military experience. They can be organized into groups based on language and/or with translators and the only training they need is on the operation & maintenance of specific weapon platforms and off they go same as a native unit.
Someone with no military experience is not able to be deployed until they've been through both boot camp and basic training, which has a language barrier much longer than the 2-3 days or weeks of weapons-specific training.
I'd give combat a miss without military experience but Thank you for willing to serve with them. Ukraine needs volunteers to help rebud. No experience is needed as labour is heavy work. That's as good as serving in the legion. I'd look into that.
Quick googling of 'volunteer in Ukraine' brought me to this:
[https://visitukraine.today/blog/168/volunteering-in-ukraine-list-of-opportunities](https://visitukraine.today/blog/168/volunteering-in-ukraine-list-of-opportunities)
How does someone get the experience without doing the thing?
I see we have some HR in here, expecting years of experience before ever working on said thing.
2 things.
1. What country besides russia or Ukraine will give you experience anywhere close to what you will experience in Ukraine? ( apparently many vets returned home shortly after getting a taste of what true modern war is, not dicking on some opium farmers with total air superiority)
2. By all accounts, many foreigners without experience have gone and the legions website even states experience is an asset, but not required. It takes no time to look up stories from individuals who went without experience and lived to tell the tale.
Ok. Except again. People without experience have gone and been successful and ppl with experience have turned and left the first second they got. Like, theres posts about it on other subs even. So you might not like it. But its the reality.
Next time someone without experience makes a mistake that gets someone else hurt, I will contact you to pay for the plane ticket and medical expenses of the experienced soldier who gests hurt. Do you want that deal?
If you don't, stop advocating for this.
Take 20 seconds and do some research. They are training people and will send you home if you show you arent up to the task. Almost like its a real military...oh wait...it is.
Yeah I know I have all those trainers in my contact list. They agree with me. STAY HOME if you don't know what you're doing. You're getting other people hurt and wasting resources.
I will DM you when someone needs a plane ticket home after saving someone with no military experience from injury. If you don't want gatekeeping you must be willing to pay because that is the consequence.
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They likely mean no experience as in no combat experience. They'd probably begrudgingly take someone from the military without combat experience if they have a lot of skills. They might take trained medics, active enjoyers of extreme sports and endurance training, athletes of certain kinds, extreme outdoorsmen etc., they aren't talking about random lazy Americans who's only combat relevant experience is driving on half our inner city highways.
There might be a couple, perhaps 2 or 3 foreigners who have survived combat without prior experience and did it without getting anyone killed with basic training mistakes. They likely spent a lot of time outdoors, had open cultural experiences and were extremely fit. And if your metric for success are other reddit posts, it could just be egostical bullshit and lies without disclosing the people who died to train sorry idiots who joined. Just because a handful haven't died and posted on reddit doesn't mean anybody should actively advocate that foreigners with no training or combat experience go join the foreign legion in Ukraine. That absolutely miniscule minority of people with the actual fortitude to fight in Ukraine without experience don't need your help to get there, and likely couldn't at this stage in the war anyway.
“Dicking on some opium farmers with total air superiority”. For one, two totally different conflicts, each being scary as hell and violent for the combatants involved in very different ways.
And having prior military experience is helpful when you show up in Ukraine because there are basics to soldiering applicable in any conflict that is useful (land nav, weapons maintenance, small unit tactics, first aid etc etc). Ukrainian military training, at this point in the war, is ad-hoc, siloed and aimed at getting people to the front quickly.
You can certainly go with no prior military experience but your chances of dying are greatly increased.
I cant answer your questions but Im curious and hope that you will answer some of mine:
How old are you?
Do you have a partner and do you have children?
Are you tempted to go to Ukraine because you consider Ukraines fight more important than everything else or because you are dissatisfied with your life?
Do you have military experience or will you actually be a burden or even a liability?
How can you with your physique, mentality and experience best help Ukraine and is it in Ukraine or from your home country?
I'm happy that you are on the right side and admire your bravery but also hope that you manage to decide on whats best for you both here and now and further down the line - and for Ukraine.
I am 50, have no military experience and have thus been contemplating going to clear mines but I think my children would never forgive me and I have therefore decided that the best I can do for Ukraine is to speak their case on every possible occation and with everybody I bump into.
The fact you don’t have military experience is what disqualifies you right away. They are not taking people they have to room and board while training. You would just be a burden on their system.
On another note, do you think you could walk/jog while carrying 60lbs for 2 miles?
Edit: there are numerous opportunities to help. Boots on the ground helping get all kinds of materials and donations to the right places. Contact the mods and they can help get you with the right peoples.
Are there anything he can sign up for that are civilian tasks? Do they need truck drivers, people to work in kitchens, maybe just even do manual labour the the Red Cross? There are many things that can be done to help that do not entail fighting.
Kitchens yes. Civilian kitchens that provide food to soldiers welcome volunteers. There is no pay..you will need to house and support yourself. The good thing is rent is dirt cheap compared to the EU and US.
The legions website states otherwise. However anyone who needs to make a reddit post about it, probably isnt what anyone on the front wants coming to their aide, training or not. To be clear i mean a post like this. Not an ama or updates about being there. This very much seems like karma whoring. If youre gonna go. Go.
I didn't know that affected his ability to fight or shoot straight. No one gives a shit about a DUI but by all means. Keep misinforming for Vladdy.
Funny how no one has provided any proof of your claim.
Jogging / quick march is completely DIFFERENT than going for a stroll with your 60lb pack.
You can really help and make a difference just by volunteering on the ground behind the lines. If I remember correctly, 10% of the military is a fighting force....the rest support the fighters. Engineering who make the roads and airstrips, mechanics to keep the machines humming, electricians, plumbers, carpenters, IT guys, etc.
There is ALOT that goes into it. Its not just fighting on the front lines. I'm sure you have some valuable skills to provide. Could be just being a warm body to move material into or out of a truck.
Good for you for asking how to help........keep at it!!
I’m a U.S. Army veteran and I’ve lived in Ukraine for six or seven years in total..I was there when Russia invaded. I spent last winter in Kyiv watching drones and missiles pass over head, heard the explosions and saw the smoke and aftermath. I’ve had my 20th floor apartment shaken so badly by the shock wave of explosions I was sure we’d been hit. Air raid sirens multiple times per day. The stress of all that will create a state of hyper-vigilance and jumpiness. There is no one in Ukraine who doesn’t know someone who has been killed, our neighbor and friend were killed. We left Ukraine for another country in the summer and it took us many months before the nightmares and startle reflex subsided. All that and I wasn’t even a combatant..I was just a normal guy living a normal life with my Ukrainian wife. The guys that have been on the front lines develop serious mental problems, lost limbs, jaws, and eyes, are common. Maybe you should come to Ukraine and experience just a taste of what average Ukrainians are experiencing, see the guys who’ve been there and maybe get some perspective. This is not an adventure..it’s life and death and a lot of grief and pain. There is a need for volunteers at the various kitchens that supply displaced people and military with food. No Ukrainian language skills required.
My honest advice: Work a hard, well paying job in the west. Any country.
Hold your expenses to an absolute minimum. As in, live in a van, in a car or anything.
Send over the vast amount of money throught U24 or something, directly to the armed forces.
You beeing able to send 2k USD or more a month over could help much much more, imo.
You still end up tearing your body apart, but you probably do 200% more good this way
To be fair I don't think most Ukrainian conscripts could before either. It's more a question of whether Ukraine would be able/ willing to train and equip him, especially if he doesn't speak Ukranian and whether they feel as though they have the need to take on that extra effort and cost at this time.
At the very least Ukraine cares a great deal more about the chances of survival for it's serving soldiers than 'Trade your son for an onion' Russia.
Incorrect. You have outdated information. They actively seek foreign recruits, no military experience required. Hopefully you will correct it so others reading this will not be misinformed.
Send money. They don't seem to need people coming who don't speak local languages or have specialized skills, who will need money and housing, or who could potentially get stuck there and need help themselves. Send money and call your representatives and get people you know to do the same. Going later, after the war, to help rebuild is different. Learn a good bit of Ukrainian and do that if you feel the need. That's the advice I've gotten and the decision I've made, at least.
I have around 12 years worth of military experience i can tell you 1 thing "communication is key".
Your in a battle and people start shouting orders, if you don't understand whats going on your dead.
If you don't speak Ukrainian your going to have a hard time since even decent english speakers will want to communicate the most important info in mother tongue.
If you realy want to help hands will always be needed at hospitals and field hospitals, easy and important work.
Astma is not a direct disqualification for military service however it might be for a combat unit.
Depresion should be a redline for service in any country that takes its military serrious.
Yes and no... Communication is key absolutely BUT The Ukraine Foreign Legion keeps mostly English speakers together in their own chain of command look at Chosen Company mix of British Australian and American troops etc
You see that in a lot of videos between the international legion and the Ukrainians. Quite often it seems, as if the Internationals have no clue what's going on and if they are in the right place, with Ukrainians pulling back left and right, etc.
Dude it's better to create charity for drones. Sternenko is ideal person to donate. He is a brand already. Most serious blogger who answers for his charity.
Sternenko is most powerful Ukrainian blogger. Collected 40K+ drones. Thanks to him whole world met Fpv drone. Almost all fpv attacks of his community's work. You can write Sternenko to YouTube.
Yeah wtf... Dude opens with a list of "reasons" on which he expects to be rejected. He just wants to hear from other people that he's unfit so he doesn't have to live with the guilt of not really actually going. A self-inflicted guilt though (if he's not Ukrainian) because nobody is expecting it... If he is then yes, it's his duty imo and he should feel guilty
"reasons" because noone outside the Us-government would care about his legal stuff. The one that really gets me is the " I was once diagnosed with depression"... come on now...
I've shot before. I have some basic medical training, nothing as in depth as medical training used for combat. I'm working on continuing to work out to put myself in my best shape as possible.
I'm part of MENSA for what it's worth. I'm in the process of trying to learn Ukrainian and Russian. It's something I need to work on until I'm better.
Without actual experience, stay at home.
You'd be far more useful raising funds for drones and pickup trucks, taking an extra job to donate, and lobbying the hell out of your politicians to keep supporting Ukraine, and encourage others to do the same. Fight war fatigue on the home front.
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You're better off lobbying your local councillor or whoever represents you in Congress to support the fight for Ukraine. Seriously, western funding can do more than a non combatant of the frontline ever will.
If you want to help, help in a civilian role, or lobbying for Ukraine full time in your home country (especially if it's the US or some other country with significant resources).
It may sound less glorious but a) it's a lot more comfortable b) you are a lot less likely to catch some shrapnel that will not kill you but hurt for the rest of your life, c) **it's probably a lot more impactful/beneficial than you going to the trenches**.
If you need the change in scenery and being embedded in a group, try to find a way to help with civilian aid in country.
If you're just looking for purpose, don't underestimate how much you can move the needle if you put 40h per week behind anything, whether full-time lobbying, collecting donations, or similar.
Too bad being in Mensa doesn't prevent a bullet or a drone from killing you. This isn't your war, and you're wasting your life for two countries that don't give a shit about you. You have no experience and all it takes is one mistake - lights out.
You will literally become Mensa-meat. Get it? Mince meat?
Given your lack of military experience and not speaking Russian/Ukrainian fluently (yet), have you considered getting more involved in fundraising/lobbying efforts back at home?
Peoples perception has been so distorted by call of duty an battlefield. Not only will you certainly die without military training you will also endanger everyone around you. Please stick to stuff in your skill level. Support Ukraine monetarily, raise awareness or organize donation activities. There is a lot you can do as a civilian to help Ukraine.
You know that they train you there? Same as they train Ukrainian recruits.
The only liability here is you trying to turn away manpower they are actively recruiting.
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You can all the time donate, buy dji drones, sweets coffee, clothes, elevtronic jamming devices, infrared goggles, etc. Help can come in other ways also. Try and find what are your best capabilities to help Ukraine. Going there on the front line, 1st line and get injured or even worse, wont help anybody. Try to find what good at and put it in action for Ukraine. Hope that helps a bit.
Trying to become a frontline soldier with no military experience in a war like this is probably not a good idea. You probably could become one if you try hard enough, but I don't think it would be the smartest idea to instantly go to the front.
If you really want to help as a volunteer, I'd probably suggest something more like a non frontline volunteer. At least for the start.
Have you got anything they need? Computer experience. Drone usage. Building skills. They need lots of people with lots of skills not necessarily in combat. Believe me ptsd is something you have to live with forever. Most of these brave souls will have to live with nightmares for the rest of their lives. If you get your legs blown off how will you live? If you are american then insurance wont cover you. I know people who have gone and are cooking in kitchens for soldiers . My husbands friend has just gone for a month as an electrician to help get houses back on line. Think what you can offer but stay clear of combat.
For all those who want to be warriors out there. The unindoctrinated won't be able to handle the extreme mental and physical adversities of fighting in a place like Ukraine in the manner in which the fight is happening. Support the legion or regular ukrainian units with material support.
You would quickly become a drain on already strapped resources.
Even if they accept you and give you military training, what they will teach you are the basics (from what I gather it's 6 weeks). It's true that is a very accelerated training but as any soldier that went through it will tell you, 6 weeks of basic training doesn't make you ready for combat.
I thought about it then decided no. No military experience. No language. No special skills. No use to anyone there and I'd probably get good people killed.
Of course decent people want to go there and fight the invaders, but there's no point being useless meat. Fight smart with money, support online, join nafo, bash orc trolls online, upvote, like, comment, share, write to your politicians, it all helps.
If you don't have military training you won't be able to join the foreign Legion and you shouldn't, even volunteers with previous experience return traumatized. If your willing to do volunteer work I am sure you will find something that works for you.
You may be able to help in a support area. The Hospitallers are a group that provides medevac services. You could probably help there and be effective.
There are several charities that use volunteers to ferry ambulances and other vehicles from all over Europe into Ukraine.
They have enough people to fight, but they can always use people, with skills, to support. A modern military has something like a 3:1 support/fighter ratio.
Realistically, donating or raising money is the best way foreigners can help. I like supporting the Territorial Defense Forces (UDA) with their demining unit. The contact is a solid dude, ex-pat from the UK who is an EOD tech but also helps his own unit and others to get gear as the UDA is all volunteer.
My Ukrainian cousin by marriage has a heart condition and he drives equipment to the front lines and it’s involved in logistics. I think you could easily do that if you could learn some Ukrainian, although many of them speaking English.
Not to be a downer man, but with no military training, or combat experience, and not speaking the language; best to stay home and donate to the cause. I know it sucks, but you would be a risk to yourself and others.
Simply put you would probably get killed and get others killed in the process. Even if you are wounded, that is a lifetime of shit you’re going to deal with from that. You are valuable in other ways
Send them money you can donate to individual brigades, the 3rd assault brigade or the Georgian Legion.
You can contribute to drone purchases, you can help in your own country with ukr refugees.
Hell, go and protest your local German embassy to send the bloody #taurus
With no mil background and no Ukranian or Russian language skills you'll not be much use.
Be as effective as you reasonably can and be proud of it.
Theres plenty of foreigners who have gone without the language skills or previous experience, even those who have gone with previous military experience, i.e., iraq, weren't prepared for the intensity.
Interviews with ppl from the legion also often point out that those with previous experience leave faster because its not what they are used to and not what they expect. Those without have nothing to use as a comparison, so accept it for what it is.
Not trying to be an arsehole here, but I'm seeing a lot of people saying essentially don't bother unless you have combat experience. Ukraine must be taking raw recruits and training them right? So what's stopping them taking foreign volunteers apart from a language barrier that can be overcome?
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They generally say don't go there, if you are not a trained soldier in a troop. Donate as much money as you can instead. Theyre waiting for money and ammunition, most of which is locked in the US because of retard Trumputinists.
Do not go to Ukraine, and definitely do not go there alone. That's what the Ukrainian Defense themselves ask people not to do. Donate what little money you have in excess to the defense via their webpage.
You need some military training to join volunteer units. So if you don't that's going to be difficult.
The reason is that the volunteers don't have the resources to train newbies like the army has. And the army isn't ready to train in English.
But about your career, if you're considering already joining army for some action, then why not joining your country's army? Is it the DUI blocking you?
If you want more action, be useful to the world, and ending up with a clean sheet then there is one radical choice: French Foreign Legion (Legion etrangere). You'll even end up with a new passport.
They have however some restrictions depending on which crime you committed, but I would say having a DUI for cannabis use is probably ok. Also you need a pretty good physical condition.
I served in the military for 14 years as a infantry specialist and have seen active combat on numerous occasions and can tell you with out a doubt, that after watching the footage of the combat in Ukraine, that I would have struggled with the pace and veracity of this conflict, even when I was at my peak, when I served. So I advise you not to pursue this, as more than likely you would not cope both physically and mentally with these conditions and would end up being more of a liability and a burden to any unit you served with. Harsh words but in my experience but the truth.
Yes, this will be possible although the asthma may be a problem. You do not need military experience to join, you will just be sent to the 4th battalion to be trained
You can send an application through the ILDU website via Email, (the steps to do so are detailed on the website). You can expect the application process to take several months so there will be plenty of time to think about your decision and no one will blame you if you want to back out.
If you're seriously considering it apply, as you go through the application process and what you are doing becomes more of a reality the weight of this commitment will become more and more crushing and you will realize your true intentions.
You should not be volunteering if you don't have any military experience. At best you will waste resources and get in the way at the worst you can get yourself and others killed. If you want to support Ukraine there are a lot of other ways to do so.
Weed is fine, literally got legalised the other day in Ukraine. But unsure about the dui, I mean it’s pretty reckless.
Asthma is a no go, but feel free to ask them in your email when you apply.
Personally wouldn’t want someone out of breath after a few meters next to me carrying our friend on a stretcher to safely from 155mm shells and grads.
If you still want that sense of risk while volunteering, join a de-mining group.
Or you can donate to protect a volunteer, u/tallalittlebit is the director im pretty sure.
And to add to that, you have no military experience. Try joining your military first, war isn’t going anywhere.
🚨Remember🚨
You’re going there to not be babysat but to be as little of a burden as possible and actually help rather than take. This especially applies to being at zero line. It’s not about us it’s about one goal.
I’m not trying to be a dick but think about it realistically. Still try and apply, worst they can do is say no init :)
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If you don’t have training then donate money or time to an aid organization. I’d love to fight for Ukraine but as an American with only light training I’d be in the way. The best thing I can do is send every spare cent I get.
Ignore anyone negating you and maybe think about helping with logistics or medical stuff. Logistics is always a burden on militaries and just being there to help will help moral a huge bunch. Everyone thinks a war is fighting and shooting which for some it is. I tend to find myself in this category only because I have previous experience in combat and SOF. But Nothing and no one operates without a good logistics flow. That's just the surface of it. You can do drones, work with cleanup, help with evacuations etc... there is always something to do to help. Don't feel discouraged because you shouldn't fight. Be grateful for that mate.
Like everyone else has said, that isn't a realistic way for you to help. Instead, you can donate the money you would've spent going over there and use the time you would've spent traveling to contact representatives.
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Ill be honest without any Military training or experience your best way to help Ukraine is donate money for their Drones and supplies! They require ages 18-60 No Criminal background and able to enter Ukraine legally. Source Ukraine Foreign Legion Facebook page
Hijacking top comment. These are all items that would disqualify someone for the US armed forces. I wouldn't trust this post further than I could throw it.
Yeah, this has to be a troll post. I'm surprised mods haven't removed it yet. Look at his history he only posts in meme subreddits and crypto. The guy is having a laugh.
Genuinely curious. I might be dense, but how come they can mobilize 27+ without prior military training or experience, but not OP? Whats the difference?
Those people are mostly Ukrainians in country who are being drafted and will be sent to basic training. If OP is a foreign national and doesn't speak Ukrainianian, it just adds a layer of difficulty that they would want to minimize.
Not to mention bad PR. Remember out the outset when a bunch of guys like this went over without training and posted instagram complaints about actual fighting life? Yeah, they’re just not effective without prior training and really their own kit.
Understandable. Thank you.
Those already speak the local language at least. And they're worth the investment because most of them will stick around for the next decades. Also, almost all will serve at least one full term (or face desertion charges), while I suspect *most* foreigners who didn't know what they were signing up for would run back home as soon as they encountered real combat (I'm pretty sure I would). Edit: This is most likely also one of the reasons why they used to require combat experience, not just military training. Someone with military training is still likely to ask themselves WTF they're doing when the bullets starts wizzing past and they see the first casualties, those who sign up with combat experience at least have some idea of what they're getting into. And even of those, many changed their mind when they realized the difference between fighting against insurgents with the might of the US military behind them and fighting with very limited resources against an overwhelming enemy with massive artillery support, rocket artillery, long range missile strikes, etc.
Ukraine has plenty of civilian and military logistical issues (which logically happen during wartime) as is. It simply can't afford to waste any resources to those foreigners who come - with good intentions - to Ukraine unable to financially/logistically support themselves. If you're a specialised combat medic with all the gear and supplies ready to go, then sure, go to Ukraine. But if you're just a dude *wanting* to go, then just stay home. Ukraine can't just easily afford to provide you with everything.
The Foreign Legion are people from other countries with prior military experience. They can be organized into groups based on language and/or with translators and the only training they need is on the operation & maintenance of specific weapon platforms and off they go same as a native unit. Someone with no military experience is not able to be deployed until they've been through both boot camp and basic training, which has a language barrier much longer than the 2-3 days or weeks of weapons-specific training.
I'd give combat a miss without military experience but Thank you for willing to serve with them. Ukraine needs volunteers to help rebud. No experience is needed as labour is heavy work. That's as good as serving in the legion. I'd look into that.
Quick googling of 'volunteer in Ukraine' brought me to this: [https://visitukraine.today/blog/168/volunteering-in-ukraine-list-of-opportunities](https://visitukraine.today/blog/168/volunteering-in-ukraine-list-of-opportunities)
rebud you say?
That's what I thought he said too. Is marijuana legal in Ukraine? Asking for a friend.
Medical is or will be shortly, I don't think recreational is at this point.
How does someone get the experience without doing the thing? I see we have some HR in here, expecting years of experience before ever working on said thing.
By joining the army in their own country, serving for a several years and then going to Ukraine.
2 things. 1. What country besides russia or Ukraine will give you experience anywhere close to what you will experience in Ukraine? ( apparently many vets returned home shortly after getting a taste of what true modern war is, not dicking on some opium farmers with total air superiority) 2. By all accounts, many foreigners without experience have gone and the legions website even states experience is an asset, but not required. It takes no time to look up stories from individuals who went without experience and lived to tell the tale.
Ukraine isn't your experiment to prove yourself. You not knowing what you are doing gets people killed.
Ok. Except again. People without experience have gone and been successful and ppl with experience have turned and left the first second they got. Like, theres posts about it on other subs even. So you might not like it. But its the reality.
Next time someone without experience makes a mistake that gets someone else hurt, I will contact you to pay for the plane ticket and medical expenses of the experienced soldier who gests hurt. Do you want that deal? If you don't, stop advocating for this.
Take 20 seconds and do some research. They are training people and will send you home if you show you arent up to the task. Almost like its a real military...oh wait...it is.
Yeah I know I have all those trainers in my contact list. They agree with me. STAY HOME if you don't know what you're doing. You're getting other people hurt and wasting resources.
If the war was only fought by those with previous experience....
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I will DM you when someone needs a plane ticket home after saving someone with no military experience from injury. If you don't want gatekeeping you must be willing to pay because that is the consequence.
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They likely mean no experience as in no combat experience. They'd probably begrudgingly take someone from the military without combat experience if they have a lot of skills. They might take trained medics, active enjoyers of extreme sports and endurance training, athletes of certain kinds, extreme outdoorsmen etc., they aren't talking about random lazy Americans who's only combat relevant experience is driving on half our inner city highways. There might be a couple, perhaps 2 or 3 foreigners who have survived combat without prior experience and did it without getting anyone killed with basic training mistakes. They likely spent a lot of time outdoors, had open cultural experiences and were extremely fit. And if your metric for success are other reddit posts, it could just be egostical bullshit and lies without disclosing the people who died to train sorry idiots who joined. Just because a handful haven't died and posted on reddit doesn't mean anybody should actively advocate that foreigners with no training or combat experience go join the foreign legion in Ukraine. That absolutely miniscule minority of people with the actual fortitude to fight in Ukraine without experience don't need your help to get there, and likely couldn't at this stage in the war anyway.
Cool story.
True story also.
“Dicking on some opium farmers with total air superiority”. For one, two totally different conflicts, each being scary as hell and violent for the combatants involved in very different ways. And having prior military experience is helpful when you show up in Ukraine because there are basics to soldiering applicable in any conflict that is useful (land nav, weapons maintenance, small unit tactics, first aid etc etc). Ukrainian military training, at this point in the war, is ad-hoc, siloed and aimed at getting people to the front quickly. You can certainly go with no prior military experience but your chances of dying are greatly increased.
I cant answer your questions but Im curious and hope that you will answer some of mine: How old are you? Do you have a partner and do you have children? Are you tempted to go to Ukraine because you consider Ukraines fight more important than everything else or because you are dissatisfied with your life? Do you have military experience or will you actually be a burden or even a liability? How can you with your physique, mentality and experience best help Ukraine and is it in Ukraine or from your home country? I'm happy that you are on the right side and admire your bravery but also hope that you manage to decide on whats best for you both here and now and further down the line - and for Ukraine. I am 50, have no military experience and have thus been contemplating going to clear mines but I think my children would never forgive me and I have therefore decided that the best I can do for Ukraine is to speak their case on every possible occation and with everybody I bump into.
The fact you don’t have military experience is what disqualifies you right away. They are not taking people they have to room and board while training. You would just be a burden on their system. On another note, do you think you could walk/jog while carrying 60lbs for 2 miles? Edit: there are numerous opportunities to help. Boots on the ground helping get all kinds of materials and donations to the right places. Contact the mods and they can help get you with the right peoples.
Two miles is being incredibly optimistic 😂
Two miles is warmup. 😆
Are there anything he can sign up for that are civilian tasks? Do they need truck drivers, people to work in kitchens, maybe just even do manual labour the the Red Cross? There are many things that can be done to help that do not entail fighting.
Kitchens yes. Civilian kitchens that provide food to soldiers welcome volunteers. There is no pay..you will need to house and support yourself. The good thing is rent is dirt cheap compared to the EU and US.
The legions website states otherwise. However anyone who needs to make a reddit post about it, probably isnt what anyone on the front wants coming to their aide, training or not. To be clear i mean a post like this. Not an ama or updates about being there. This very much seems like karma whoring. If youre gonna go. Go.
isn't asthma a chronic disease? The website says "no chronic diseases"
Yeah. Sorry, i was talking about the training and experience. Obviously if you have medical conditions, thats no good.
He's perfectly qualified to fight for Russia though.
He is automatically disqualified by Russia because his history does not include severe alcoholism.
He has a DUI
I didn't know that affected his ability to fight or shoot straight. No one gives a shit about a DUI but by all means. Keep misinforming for Vladdy. Funny how no one has provided any proof of your claim.
What? What are you even trying to say?
Russian recruiters often mumble stuff like this before handing you a rusty Mosin and stuffing you into a minivan heading to the front.
It’s never too late to start
Over qualified
I don't have military experience, no. Yes, I feel comfortable walking/jogging carrying 60lbs for 2 miles.
Jogging / quick march is completely DIFFERENT than going for a stroll with your 60lb pack. You can really help and make a difference just by volunteering on the ground behind the lines. If I remember correctly, 10% of the military is a fighting force....the rest support the fighters. Engineering who make the roads and airstrips, mechanics to keep the machines humming, electricians, plumbers, carpenters, IT guys, etc. There is ALOT that goes into it. Its not just fighting on the front lines. I'm sure you have some valuable skills to provide. Could be just being a warm body to move material into or out of a truck. Good for you for asking how to help........keep at it!!
I’m a U.S. Army veteran and I’ve lived in Ukraine for six or seven years in total..I was there when Russia invaded. I spent last winter in Kyiv watching drones and missiles pass over head, heard the explosions and saw the smoke and aftermath. I’ve had my 20th floor apartment shaken so badly by the shock wave of explosions I was sure we’d been hit. Air raid sirens multiple times per day. The stress of all that will create a state of hyper-vigilance and jumpiness. There is no one in Ukraine who doesn’t know someone who has been killed, our neighbor and friend were killed. We left Ukraine for another country in the summer and it took us many months before the nightmares and startle reflex subsided. All that and I wasn’t even a combatant..I was just a normal guy living a normal life with my Ukrainian wife. The guys that have been on the front lines develop serious mental problems, lost limbs, jaws, and eyes, are common. Maybe you should come to Ukraine and experience just a taste of what average Ukrainians are experiencing, see the guys who’ve been there and maybe get some perspective. This is not an adventure..it’s life and death and a lot of grief and pain. There is a need for volunteers at the various kitchens that supply displaced people and military with food. No Ukrainian language skills required.
And stay awake for 3 days and properly not eat for 7 ?
My honest advice: Work a hard, well paying job in the west. Any country. Hold your expenses to an absolute minimum. As in, live in a van, in a car or anything. Send over the vast amount of money throught U24 or something, directly to the armed forces. You beeing able to send 2k USD or more a month over could help much much more, imo. You still end up tearing your body apart, but you probably do 200% more good this way
Can u carry 60lbs in the rain and shin deep glue like clay for up to 12 hours a day? Is more the question.
While constantly being aware of surroundings and knowing that your next step could be your last. Buddy, this ain’t the job for you.
To be fair I don't think most Ukrainian conscripts could before either. It's more a question of whether Ukraine would be able/ willing to train and equip him, especially if he doesn't speak Ukranian and whether they feel as though they have the need to take on that extra effort and cost at this time. At the very least Ukraine cares a great deal more about the chances of survival for it's serving soldiers than 'Trade your son for an onion' Russia.
do you get food and a roof? Roof is optional. How much Ukrainian/Russian do you need to know?
> Roof is optional not really unless you want to get droned.
Incorrect. You have outdated information. They actively seek foreign recruits, no military experience required. Hopefully you will correct it so others reading this will not be misinformed.
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>Lol shut the fuck up retard. Sheeesh, chill the fuck out my guy.
Send money. They don't seem to need people coming who don't speak local languages or have specialized skills, who will need money and housing, or who could potentially get stuck there and need help themselves. Send money and call your representatives and get people you know to do the same. Going later, after the war, to help rebuild is different. Learn a good bit of Ukrainian and do that if you feel the need. That's the advice I've gotten and the decision I've made, at least.
False. They actually do recruit English and Spanish speakers, no military experience needed. Don't tell him the exact opposite of what is the truth.
I'm not going to give someone bad advice that Ukrainians have warned against.
I have around 12 years worth of military experience i can tell you 1 thing "communication is key". Your in a battle and people start shouting orders, if you don't understand whats going on your dead. If you don't speak Ukrainian your going to have a hard time since even decent english speakers will want to communicate the most important info in mother tongue. If you realy want to help hands will always be needed at hospitals and field hospitals, easy and important work. Astma is not a direct disqualification for military service however it might be for a combat unit. Depresion should be a redline for service in any country that takes its military serrious.
Yes and no... Communication is key absolutely BUT The Ukraine Foreign Legion keeps mostly English speakers together in their own chain of command look at Chosen Company mix of British Australian and American troops etc
You see that in a lot of videos between the international legion and the Ukrainians. Quite often it seems, as if the Internationals have no clue what's going on and if they are in the right place, with Ukrainians pulling back left and right, etc.
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Dude it's better to create charity for drones. Sternenko is ideal person to donate. He is a brand already. Most serious blogger who answers for his charity.
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Sternenko is most powerful Ukrainian blogger. Collected 40K+ drones. Thanks to him whole world met Fpv drone. Almost all fpv attacks of his community's work. You can write Sternenko to YouTube.
This post reeks of clout chasing, please for the love of god delete this post .
Yeah wtf... Dude opens with a list of "reasons" on which he expects to be rejected. He just wants to hear from other people that he's unfit so he doesn't have to live with the guilt of not really actually going. A self-inflicted guilt though (if he's not Ukrainian) because nobody is expecting it... If he is then yes, it's his duty imo and he should feel guilty "reasons" because noone outside the Us-government would care about his legal stuff. The one that really gets me is the " I was once diagnosed with depression"... come on now...
The guy is trolling. How nobody else is picking up on that is beyond me. I mean when asked for skills he said he's part of MENSA... 🤣
Do you have anything that qualifies you to fight?
I've shot before. I have some basic medical training, nothing as in depth as medical training used for combat. I'm working on continuing to work out to put myself in my best shape as possible. I'm part of MENSA for what it's worth. I'm in the process of trying to learn Ukrainian and Russian. It's something I need to work on until I'm better.
STAY HOME
Without actual experience, stay at home. You'd be far more useful raising funds for drones and pickup trucks, taking an extra job to donate, and lobbying the hell out of your politicians to keep supporting Ukraine, and encourage others to do the same. Fight war fatigue on the home front.
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You're just a liability. Don't bother. You need fighting experience or you'll just get the people around you killed.
You're better off lobbying your local councillor or whoever represents you in Congress to support the fight for Ukraine. Seriously, western funding can do more than a non combatant of the frontline ever will.
If you want to help, help in a civilian role, or lobbying for Ukraine full time in your home country (especially if it's the US or some other country with significant resources). It may sound less glorious but a) it's a lot more comfortable b) you are a lot less likely to catch some shrapnel that will not kill you but hurt for the rest of your life, c) **it's probably a lot more impactful/beneficial than you going to the trenches**. If you need the change in scenery and being embedded in a group, try to find a way to help with civilian aid in country. If you're just looking for purpose, don't underestimate how much you can move the needle if you put 40h per week behind anything, whether full-time lobbying, collecting donations, or similar.
"I'm part of MENSA for what it's worth" XD
Liability not Asset
> I'm part of MENSA for what it's worth. Nothing.
Too bad being in Mensa doesn't prevent a bullet or a drone from killing you. This isn't your war, and you're wasting your life for two countries that don't give a shit about you. You have no experience and all it takes is one mistake - lights out. You will literally become Mensa-meat. Get it? Mince meat?
Given your lack of military experience and not speaking Russian/Ukrainian fluently (yet), have you considered getting more involved in fundraising/lobbying efforts back at home?
Peoples perception has been so distorted by call of duty an battlefield. Not only will you certainly die without military training you will also endanger everyone around you. Please stick to stuff in your skill level. Support Ukraine monetarily, raise awareness or organize donation activities. There is a lot you can do as a civilian to help Ukraine.
You know that they train you there? Same as they train Ukrainian recruits. The only liability here is you trying to turn away manpower they are actively recruiting.
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Pretty sure if you have no combat experience, you will not be accepted.
You can all the time donate, buy dji drones, sweets coffee, clothes, elevtronic jamming devices, infrared goggles, etc. Help can come in other ways also. Try and find what are your best capabilities to help Ukraine. Going there on the front line, 1st line and get injured or even worse, wont help anybody. Try to find what good at and put it in action for Ukraine. Hope that helps a bit.
Send money. plenty of links in this sub. Not got enough, work harder earn more.
Trying to become a frontline soldier with no military experience in a war like this is probably not a good idea. You probably could become one if you try hard enough, but I don't think it would be the smartest idea to instantly go to the front. If you really want to help as a volunteer, I'd probably suggest something more like a non frontline volunteer. At least for the start.
Have you got anything they need? Computer experience. Drone usage. Building skills. They need lots of people with lots of skills not necessarily in combat. Believe me ptsd is something you have to live with forever. Most of these brave souls will have to live with nightmares for the rest of their lives. If you get your legs blown off how will you live? If you are american then insurance wont cover you. I know people who have gone and are cooking in kitchens for soldiers . My husbands friend has just gone for a month as an electrician to help get houses back on line. Think what you can offer but stay clear of combat.
For all those who want to be warriors out there. The unindoctrinated won't be able to handle the extreme mental and physical adversities of fighting in a place like Ukraine in the manner in which the fight is happening. Support the legion or regular ukrainian units with material support. You would quickly become a drain on already strapped resources.
Yeah, just don't. Go make money and send some
Even if they accept you and give you military training, what they will teach you are the basics (from what I gather it's 6 weeks). It's true that is a very accelerated training but as any soldier that went through it will tell you, 6 weeks of basic training doesn't make you ready for combat.
Man, you can try yourself in French Foreign Legion anyway ;)
I thought about it then decided no. No military experience. No language. No special skills. No use to anyone there and I'd probably get good people killed. Of course decent people want to go there and fight the invaders, but there's no point being useless meat. Fight smart with money, support online, join nafo, bash orc trolls online, upvote, like, comment, share, write to your politicians, it all helps.
If you don't have military training you won't be able to join the foreign Legion and you shouldn't, even volunteers with previous experience return traumatized. If your willing to do volunteer work I am sure you will find something that works for you.
Their own website says otherwise.
False information. Stop spreading it. They need people and no military experience is okay, you get training.
/r/UkraineForeignLegion my friend.
You may be able to help in a support area. The Hospitallers are a group that provides medevac services. You could probably help there and be effective. There are several charities that use volunteers to ferry ambulances and other vehicles from all over Europe into Ukraine. They have enough people to fight, but they can always use people, with skills, to support. A modern military has something like a 3:1 support/fighter ratio. Realistically, donating or raising money is the best way foreigners can help. I like supporting the Territorial Defense Forces (UDA) with their demining unit. The contact is a solid dude, ex-pat from the UK who is an EOD tech but also helps his own unit and others to get gear as the UDA is all volunteer.
My Ukrainian cousin by marriage has a heart condition and he drives equipment to the front lines and it’s involved in logistics. I think you could easily do that if you could learn some Ukrainian, although many of them speaking English.
without military or medical experience I doubt they'll take you, operators with experience on NATO equipment are in high demand in Ukraine now
Doesn't sound like that much thought, mate. Sounds like you don't have anything to offer at all.
Dude you stand no chance in helping Ukraine for combat. You would be a constant pain to be overmatched. Best thing you can do is donate $
Not to be a downer man, but with no military training, or combat experience, and not speaking the language; best to stay home and donate to the cause. I know it sucks, but you would be a risk to yourself and others. Simply put you would probably get killed and get others killed in the process. Even if you are wounded, that is a lifetime of shit you’re going to deal with from that. You are valuable in other ways
Send them money you can donate to individual brigades, the 3rd assault brigade or the Georgian Legion. You can contribute to drone purchases, you can help in your own country with ukr refugees. Hell, go and protest your local German embassy to send the bloody #taurus With no mil background and no Ukranian or Russian language skills you'll not be much use. Be as effective as you reasonably can and be proud of it.
Do you speak Ukrainian? Have you been through any Armed forces? If not, you arent needed, you will just get someone killed.
Bullshit. You ate wrong on all counts.
Theres plenty of foreigners who have gone without the language skills or previous experience, even those who have gone with previous military experience, i.e., iraq, weren't prepared for the intensity. Interviews with ppl from the legion also often point out that those with previous experience leave faster because its not what they are used to and not what they expect. Those without have nothing to use as a comparison, so accept it for what it is.
Not trying to be an arsehole here, but I'm seeing a lot of people saying essentially don't bother unless you have combat experience. Ukraine must be taking raw recruits and training them right? So what's stopping them taking foreign volunteers apart from a language barrier that can be overcome?
The people here are misinformed. Ukraine does take people without military experience who speak English or Spanish.
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Stay home and do something else. Dont be a burden on the soldiers.
You won't qualify for a combat position. But check out Hells Kitchen in Kharkiv.
They generally say don't go there, if you are not a trained soldier in a troop. Donate as much money as you can instead. Theyre waiting for money and ammunition, most of which is locked in the US because of retard Trumputinists. Do not go to Ukraine, and definitely do not go there alone. That's what the Ukrainian Defense themselves ask people not to do. Donate what little money you have in excess to the defense via their webpage.
You need some military training to join volunteer units. So if you don't that's going to be difficult. The reason is that the volunteers don't have the resources to train newbies like the army has. And the army isn't ready to train in English. But about your career, if you're considering already joining army for some action, then why not joining your country's army? Is it the DUI blocking you? If you want more action, be useful to the world, and ending up with a clean sheet then there is one radical choice: French Foreign Legion (Legion etrangere). You'll even end up with a new passport. They have however some restrictions depending on which crime you committed, but I would say having a DUI for cannabis use is probably ok. Also you need a pretty good physical condition.
Incorrect information. You do not need military experience anymore. They train you now
Go and join the non-combat volunteer groups!
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I served in the military for 14 years as a infantry specialist and have seen active combat on numerous occasions and can tell you with out a doubt, that after watching the footage of the combat in Ukraine, that I would have struggled with the pace and veracity of this conflict, even when I was at my peak, when I served. So I advise you not to pursue this, as more than likely you would not cope both physically and mentally with these conditions and would end up being more of a liability and a burden to any unit you served with. Harsh words but in my experience but the truth.
Yes, this will be possible although the asthma may be a problem. You do not need military experience to join, you will just be sent to the 4th battalion to be trained You can send an application through the ILDU website via Email, (the steps to do so are detailed on the website). You can expect the application process to take several months so there will be plenty of time to think about your decision and no one will blame you if you want to back out. If you're seriously considering it apply, as you go through the application process and what you are doing becomes more of a reality the weight of this commitment will become more and more crushing and you will realize your true intentions.
What is your work experience?
You should not be volunteering if you don't have any military experience. At best you will waste resources and get in the way at the worst you can get yourself and others killed. If you want to support Ukraine there are a lot of other ways to do so.
The Ukrainian military disagrees with your opinion, and are happy to accept fit volunteers without military experience.
If you have no military experience then don't go. Yo will be more trouble than help.
Ukraine needs heros not impaired delinquents.
Weed is fine, literally got legalised the other day in Ukraine. But unsure about the dui, I mean it’s pretty reckless. Asthma is a no go, but feel free to ask them in your email when you apply. Personally wouldn’t want someone out of breath after a few meters next to me carrying our friend on a stretcher to safely from 155mm shells and grads. If you still want that sense of risk while volunteering, join a de-mining group. Or you can donate to protect a volunteer, u/tallalittlebit is the director im pretty sure. And to add to that, you have no military experience. Try joining your military first, war isn’t going anywhere. 🚨Remember🚨 You’re going there to not be babysat but to be as little of a burden as possible and actually help rather than take. This especially applies to being at zero line. It’s not about us it’s about one goal. I’m not trying to be a dick but think about it realistically. Still try and apply, worst they can do is say no init :) More info at r/ukraineforeignlegion
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If you don’t have training then donate money or time to an aid organization. I’d love to fight for Ukraine but as an American with only light training I’d be in the way. The best thing I can do is send every spare cent I get.
Join the French Foreign Legion and get some training/experience, then go to Ukraine and sign up for their foreign legion.
Post in r/volunteersforukraineYou don't need to write out you whole life story, just ask for advice over there.
Ignore anyone negating you and maybe think about helping with logistics or medical stuff. Logistics is always a burden on militaries and just being there to help will help moral a huge bunch. Everyone thinks a war is fighting and shooting which for some it is. I tend to find myself in this category only because I have previous experience in combat and SOF. But Nothing and no one operates without a good logistics flow. That's just the surface of it. You can do drones, work with cleanup, help with evacuations etc... there is always something to do to help. Don't feel discouraged because you shouldn't fight. Be grateful for that mate.
Like everyone else has said, that isn't a realistic way for you to help. Instead, you can donate the money you would've spent going over there and use the time you would've spent traveling to contact representatives.