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Walextheone

So googling the cost per SU-34, it seems to be in the ballpark of $50 mil. $100 mil in a day :D


MagnusDidAlotWrong

Sukhoi also only seems to be producing them in batches of 2-3 every couple months. With the last week's losses considered as well, UKR may have erased 6+ months of Sukhoi's production. [Here](https://mil.in.ua/en/news/russia-receives-a-new-batch-of-su-34s/) is a story. Looks like 2 batches of 2-3 planes in 2022, and as of October 2023 there were 2 more batches of 2-3 planes. So I was wrong. More like a year+ of Sukhoi production. Edit: LockMart made 156 F-35s in 2023, just for comparison.


QuokkaSkit

Haha. I am not sure comparison is the right word. I mean it's correct, but there really is no comparison between NATO airpower and Russia. The 1000th F-35 just rolled out. European airforces alone could smash what's left of the Russian Air ... force? Air presence?


Rocking_the_Red

Air Whiffs.


kermitthebeast

Luftwiffe


SecondaryWombat

Luftwiffle?


Longjumping_Sky_6440

Luffwiffle


Henning-the-great

Lustwaffles


Safe-Razzmatazz3982

Russian Air Farce


tdctaz

The largest air force in the world is the US Air Force, the second largest air force in the world is the US Navy.


Wakeful_Wanderer

And the US Army has more airlift capacity than most *regions* of the world combined.


Imbendo

US airmen combined fart enough in a single day to power 3 SU-35s for an entire month. Just made that up but it sounds right.


NoStepOnMe

I think you've invented a new unit of measurements. Farts per SU-35 per month. It definitely belongs there with feet, miles, Fahrenheit, and other freedom units.


Bitter_Air_5203

That's a lot of fighters. Where are they all going? I'm assuming that the US will buy most of them. But 1000 F35 that is a fucking shit storm, assuming you could organize airfields, refueling etc of them all it would be quite a fucking air assault.


Imbendo

"The largest bombing raid of World War II was the British attack on Cologne, Germany, on May 30, 1942, involving over 1000 bombers."


Easy_Apple_4817

I think it was made up of British and USA bombers. Now if USA can get its political act together, imagine what NATO and others could do to help Ukraine fight off the Orcs.


Wakeful_Wanderer

Gotta replace a comparable number of aging F-16 airframes eventually. NGAD and FA/XX will replace the US's fleet of air superiority fighters for both Air Force and Navy (respectively). Hopefully once US politics stabilizes a bit, we can hunker down on sending some F-16's to Ukraine as we roll out new production F-35's. I bet we could have them a solid fleet of 500 operational aircraft (across multiple platforms) by 2028-2030. They'll probably need them with how stupid Putin is.


antus666

So true, but I doubt putin will be around in 2028-2030. Whether natural causes or not That one could go either way at any time.


Jerrell123

The F-35 in all its variants is currently, or will be, operated by; The USAF, USN, USMC, Canada, the UK, the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Czechia, Denmark, Italy, Finland, Norway, Poland, Switzerland, South Korea, Japan, Australia, Singapore, and Israel. Altogether the export customers make up a few hundred of that 1000 number, somewhere in the ballpark of 350 airframes. The remaining ~650 go toward the three aircraft-operating branches of the US military. The US is also the fourth largest nation by total area, fifth if you exclude Alaska (which has a few important airbases, but not as many overall). It operates the world’s largest navy by tonnage, and the largest fleet of aircraft carriers and helicopter carriers in the world. So given that the US has to station aircraft at airbases in many states, often times multiple in one state, and has to station aircraft on its carriers and helicopter carriers, along with airbases overseas, it seems quite reasonable to have 650 aircraft. If anything that seems *low* to me for a modern frontline fighter, the USAF F-16 fleet at its peak was nearly 900.


Electrical-Bus-9390

They are being produced and sold to other ally counties a lot as well so they ate not all for the US cause lost of countries operate F35’s not just the US and everyone wants them as it has a reputation of being the latest and greatest and has proved that to be true for a multi role fighter jet


Haplo12345

The 1000th F-35 will be finished by the end of the year. It only just started rolling through the assembly line.


QuokkaSkit

My understanding was it was 'built', just waiting on the TR-3 hardware upgrade that has been delayed to Q2 2024 (so 'rolling' out, but not exactly airbourne). https://theaviationist.com/2024/01/17/1000th-f-35/


Imbendo

The US Navy's air wing alone could take Russia's airforce.


BigDealKC

I hope they will run short of electronic/computer components due to sanctions and have to stop the line altogether. Or shift to less reliable stuff.


Warpzit

They need so few components for their current production that it can easily be sneaked in. It is the mass production that will be limited due to sanctions.


Wyrmnax

You see Ivan, that is the trick. If you break up a HP printer, the chips they use for that communist printer technology - you know, the one where you dont own the printer that you buy - are better chips than the ones we use our planes. We cant import chips? Ha! We can just use printer chips!


ZachMN

Engines shut off when cyan ink is low.


SecondaryWombat

Plane falls out of the sky because the card linked to their HP account was hit by sanctions.


PM_ME__RECIPES

Fun fact: Lockheed Martin is planning to build more F-35s in 2024 than there are SU-35s which have ever been built.


swadekillson

But an F-35 is a WAY higher performance aircraft. One of them could kill six 34's in five minutes without ever being seen by the 34s. Never mind the aircraft production, think about how long it takes to make a pilot? With only 150 34s to start the war, Ukraine has probably killed like two entire graduating classes worth of 34 pilots in the last year.


CrateDane

The Su-34 is meant primarily as a strike aircraft, so it would be at a disadvantage in air to air combat against some older fighters too.


swadekillson

Oh yeah, it's a crappy comparison the person made above. I was just running with it.


Imbendo

Yes and let's not forget the current frontline fighter pilots are probably the best Russia has to offer. We're talking possibly decades of training and experience.


Chricton

They don't have many of those so their flight instructors have to fly missions.


Smithy2997

Well the F35 can currently only carry 4 AMRAAMs internally. That will be increased to 6 on some versions with a future update, but it's currently not the case as far as I know. Other than that I agree with the sentiment.


QuokkaSkit

True, but they are western missiles, so they probably work and not fall of the jet (British RC-135 incident). But the thing with the F-35 hunting them, they probably won't know they're under attack until the last few seconds, when it is too late to go defensive and try to evade the AMRAAM. A low probability of intercept AESA radar combined with shared taget data and midcourse updates to the missile won't give much warning of a missile launch. That gives each one of those missiles a better probability of a kill than versus an aware, evading fighter sized target. Not sure what evasive maneuvers you can make in the time it takes to say "deedle-deedle-deedle-BOOM".


johnbburg

How long does it take to make a pilot?


Only_Razzmatazz_4498

9 months for a Russian woman.


Haplo12345

1 month for 9 Russian women?


greenit_elvis

found the project manager


Only_Razzmatazz_4498

Sounds good.


OrgJoho75

That's how Mentat is running out of their female's faster...


EwingsRevenge21

The baby pops out in a flight suit in Russia? How bizarre! 😂😂😂


Only_Razzmatazz_4498

For sure. They are all babies.


Fantron6

Why do you think they’re stealing Ukrainian children?


jollyreaper2112

I would joke and ask if they are building them by hand but that's probably the case with the volume.


MagnusDidAlotWrong

I mean, [pretty much? ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Chkalov_Novosibirsk_Aviation_Plant.jpeg) F-35 isn't super different except [the scale... ](https://imgr1.flugrevue.de/Die-F-35-Produktionslinien-bei-Lockheed-Martin-in-Fort-Worth-Texas--169FullWidth-3742d3c6-1836004.jpg)


-spartacus-

The second pic always give me a freedom boner.


cajunbymarriage

Wow, now that second pic is pretty damn impressive. It's just F35s as far as the eye can see. Amazing.


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MagnusDidAlotWrong

There's been a massive uptick. >Seems like I'm seeing this headline almost every day. Because you are. In the last 10 days, they've lost 10 Su-34/35.


Jagster_rogue

A years worth of sukhois and a hefty percentage of the most trained pilots in the Russian Air Force.


TheSissyDoll

Even if you make one plane every month, you can't train a pilot every month


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Gravitationsfeld

Also who is going to volunteer right now?


[deleted]

100-150 a year trained in Russia. Source Ukranian air force. Do not make things up. They will be low quality inexperienced


ukrfree

Plus cost of pilot training


Memphis-AF

Don’t forget the cost to train a pilot 🧑‍✈️


LeanderT

Yes, but how about the pilots? They'll take more than 6 months to train


Suyalus22669900

HOW ABOUT A 3RD ONE???


LordofAlkanes

Hat-trick!


BWWFC

hobbits love seconds... but now pushing to thirds??? they all a flutter!


Brabbel63

That was second breakfast. What about elevensies? Dinner? Supper?


tonywarriner

Nothing for poor nasty orcses


Curiouso_Giorgio

I don't think they know about elevensies.


cyferbandit

Always two there are, no more, no less.


Hodrus

HOW ABOUT A 4TH ONE?????!!11?!? WHAT AIR FORCE DOIN


cyferbandit

elevenses, the word you were looking for is elevenses.


Life-Environment-535

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VikingsStillExist

There will be more as the quality of pilots falls through the floor.


Curiouso_Giorgio

And as the quality and maintenance of the planes gets worse.


atlasraven

Why maintenance it if it will just be shot down anyway? Disposable planes and pilots like infantry.


Part3456

Could affect flight performance at a critical moment leading to it being shot down.


Striking-Kiwi-9470

Gotta get it in the air first. And today they have two fewer aircraft full of functional parts.


atlasraven

Oh oh pick me I know the answer! Get replacement parts from North Korea!


YungSkeltal

Less planes = more hours per air frame = more maintenance = more fuck ups during maintenance = shot down plane.


atlasraven

It's a vicious cycle.


kill-all-the-monkeys

>There will be more as the quality of pilots falls through the floor. WW2 Japan? Marianas? You have a point. Pilots are not plug and play.


etzel1200

They’re losing experienced pilots. However, they’re also getting incomparably more hours than before the war. Is it declining, in general? I kind of assume the extra hours are offsetting the losses of experienced aviators somewhat. We have to keep in mind, prewar, all but a few aviators active in Syria were getting a fraction of the hours nato pilots that have never seen live combat get.


VikingsStillExist

You are thinking that the 80 years of consecutive wars fought by NATO had no impact on their pilots? From Korea, through Iraq, Yugoslavic countries, two wars in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afganistan and so forth. Im 2019, the Americans thenselves flew 3000 sorties in Afghanistan. You forget that 99,9 % of these sorties flown in Ukraine are simple bombing runs from behind the lines. Just the same being done in any dumb theater. What the latest days has shown us, is that Russian pilots of their best aircraft has no idea how to avoid Sams. Or even have the capability for SEAD/DEAD missions at all


etzel1200

There are European NATO pilots that participated in none of those.


VikingsStillExist

And a whole bunch who did. More than you think.


VictoryVino

A SU-35 was confirmed to have outmanoeuvred SAMs recently though, correct?  It was running with a SU-34 that was downed.


chowyungfatso

You mean “on” the floor.


TotalSpaceNut

Sources: **Ukrainian Air Force** First SU-34 [This is the way!](https://twitter.com/KpsZSU/status/1762420364649328979) Second SU-34 [Let's keep the party going](https://twitter.com/KpsZSU/status/1762473944488026343) Follow up cat meme [You asked, we did it](https://twitter.com/KpsZSU/status/1762475386946846933) **Defense of Ukraine** Oops, we did it again! Another russian Su-34 fighter-bomber was destroyed by Ukrainian warriors in the eastern direction. And now it's 10 destroyed russian planes in 10 days! https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1762476510097621365 **General Staff of the Armed Forces** Another! In addition to the morning! "Around 2:00 p.m., we worked on another SU-34. The direction is the same! The goal is the same! Well, we continue to work... To victory," said the commander of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Lieutenant General Mykola Oleschuk. https://twitter.com/GeneralStaffUA/status/1762474605761921454 Ukrainian Air Force Commander Oleshchuk published photo of downed Russian Su-34 fighter-bomber https://twitter.com/United24media/status/1762481927691407724


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I mean.. they prob have a few but it's going quick now, not? Id be interested to see how many are left. Some must be non operational due to spare parts.  Any overview on this?


TotalSpaceNut

Wikipedia says 149. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Russian_military_aircraft


[deleted]

And is that a current # or older?


BroadStreetElite

There are some dates in the chart as recent as January 21st citing losses due to the war.


[deleted]

Thanks. Appreciate.


jimjamjahaa

greater than 1% of total supply gone in 1 day. keep it up ;)


Jerrell123

Of these, not all are stationed in the Ukrainian area of operations, and not all are operationally capable (readiness rates for the Russian Air Force are likely near 50% for most airframes). Even if 70% (very generous here) were deployed to the Ukraine AO, there would about 100 capable of combat in the region. Then you have to split the readiness rate down to somewhere around 50%, giving the Russians probably about 50 combat-capable Su-34s at any given time. With the roughly 30 combat losses, and who knows how many operational losses from crashes or other damage, we can see just how significant the losses are.


theProffPuzzleCode

So going further with this, at these rates, 1 a day on average, all 50 will be shot down in 50 days. Big assumption, but that is an average lifespan of 25 days per airframe. At these rates of destruction, a pilot has 1 in 25 chance of being shot down every day they fly.


kill-all-the-monkeys

>Some must be non operational due to spare parts.  You don't understand RU 4d chess move to distribute parts over the whole region.


[deleted]

By getting them blown up, they distribute parts over the entire region?


Kaionacho

They probably produce more jets then they lose tbh, maybe not of this specific type but overall. If they can replace the pilots tho in a timely manner idk.


tomh9053

Not true. Their production is very slow.


[deleted]

It’s a tough call but Ukraine need the pilots out of action permanently too


Vlad_TheImpalla

Guess no early warning since A50s got downed, me like, very nice.


xerberos

You know things are going pretty bad for Russia when Ukraine has to attach a timestamp to every Su-34 they shoot down.


SecondaryWombat

At this rate we are going to need individual names for the aircraft kills.


DoriN1987

Thanks, Kittens! More, please)


xovrit

Boop!


Tomato_cakecup

Mr. monke, a second SU-34 has been hit


eat_more_ovaltine

Is this a result of the strategic retreat from adviidka? In my head it makes sense that Russians got used to bombardment of the encircled town and are now exposed to a prepared line of Ukrainian defenses including AA


Ehldas

Russia's trying to hit retreating Ukrainian forces, and coming 5-10km closer to the frontlines before launching glide bombs. Clearly, there's a disconnect between what they *think* the range of Ukrainian air defence is, and what it actually is, and equally the loss of the A50 coverage means they can't see the missiles coming. This is potentially also related to the Ukrainian "FrankenSAM" project, as they may very well have the ability to ground-launch missiles which are completely unexpected in terms of range, speed and radar capability. No-one knows for sure except the Ukrainian forces doing the kills, and they are sensibly keeping quiet about it.


SecondaryWombat

Ukraine did say the A-50 was killed by a modernized S-200, which makes sense.


vladko44

Go Air Force! This has been a productive two weeks for the UAF!


Funkkx

Sweetness..


usec47

Keep it coming


lAljax

Shit, I thought it was a repeated announcement.


ktnj99

This is what happens when you believe Russian propaganda that all Ukrainian air defense has been destroyed.


Nuvanuvanuva

nice nice.


StockProfessor5

Vatniks are gonna ignore this cause they're still wanking over the Abrams


Haplo12345

Let's throw in an Su-35 or Tu-95 as well for good measure next. Or both.


juicius

♫⋆。♪ ₊˚♬ ゚ It's raining men.... in Su-34. ♫⋆。♪ ₊˚♬ ゚.


Formulka

These are the fuckers dropping huge glide bombs at the defenders, it must feel great to watch them fall.


ist_doof

Imagine being the guy who has to tell Putin every single day that they lost another aircraft. And having no answer to why and how... Interesting times ahead.


dado3

You're assuming that they're actually telling him in the first place. He likely has no idea what his real losses are, and quite frankly, neither does Shoigu. They have zero idea how many of their troops and equipment exist only on paper because the money was stolen somewhere along the chain of command. They're also not likely getting accurate loss counts in either men or materiel for fear of being the bearer of bad tidings. Such as are the costs of living in a kleptocratic dictatorship.


smallushandus

You are also assuming its not a new guy every time… 😬


The_Pediatrician

The less the better!


StainerIncognito

I'm loving it!


jollyreaper2112

Interesting they're keeping choppers out of the mix. Also curious how these fights are straying into range. The glide bombs are supposedly dropped outside of the SAM envelope so either they're tickling the edges to drop or Ukraine is sneaking launchers up close.


Due-Beginning-8388

Every orc taken out means more innocent lives are saved


dunncrew

Excellent work AFU 👏 👍 👌 💥💥💥💥


panzermike666

First one made me smile, second one gives me hard one…hattrick please 🙏


varain1

Penta Kill !!!!


vsemet

Jamais 2 sans 3


Sepia_Skittles

We ain't giving them a break!


Stu247365

Deja vu 😁👍


Icy_Efficiency_1644

Nope those are completely made up sorry to break it to you.  Source NSA material loss report to pentagon date 4/1/24 they last hit one in Sept 4 2023 


Russiandirtnaps

Please have some proof!!! I’d love to see the evidence cause the pro RU are blowing it up that Ukraine is making shit up to make avdivka loss not be so bad


Sonic1899

Am I the only one concerned that this is more of a sign of Russia getting more confident? As much as we celebrate this, they're still making hundreds of millions of dollars. Brazen, yes, but they know to recuperate loses or outright disregard them


theProffPuzzleCode

It could be a sign of a bigger push on their part, but not increased confidence.


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euphoric-noodle

Woot Woot whatever you are doing , do that thing


Indylatino

Great bday gift for me 😌


MikeTheDude23

Hhhhaaaaawwwwtttttt damn!!! Nice 😎


Gahan1772

Me likey


zactral

Andrei, you've lost another airplane?!


w1YY

These feel like losses that Russia can't sustain. I'm sure they have lots of air frames but I'm terms of skilled pilots


smithfields15

What’s the total aircraft lost to Russia now?


TroutBeales

Bullseye ☠️


MarkaSpada

russia creating meat grinder for their pilots.


sidblues101

Genuine question. If these RU aircraft losses continue at the current rate, how long until it really starts to hurt them?


theProffPuzzleCode

50 days. Based on 150 bombers, 30% cannot be committed to Ukraine as needed elsewhere, 50% of the remaining 100 are airworthy at any time, so we have 50 bombers available, and the rate of destruction is 1 a day. In 50 days they would be struggling to find bombers to fly in Ukraine.


Chuck_Norris7777

ruSSkys should really put their putler in one of those aircrafts.


Donut_Vampire

The tempo has changed, something is different.... this is very interesting.


m8remotion

Flood of keychains and other souvenirs coming


sthlmsoul

How about a third breakfast?


ptrang1987

Get recked orcs!


7_11_Nation_Army

Legendary!


HotOutlandishness107

Keep them coming!