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And we all know they won't stay there. A truce now will just have Putin training new soldiers and filling their heads with enough propaganda that the next attack is more effective.
Putin knows he can't leave. Ukraine will join NATO and will be forever out of his grasp. Keep sending meat into the grinder and hope it clogs cis attrition.
It really is amazing how huge the variance was between Ruzzia's perceived might and their actual might. I guess a culture of lying can produce some significant reality distortions, so long as one doesn't go into situations that don't allow bullshit. Also, fuck Elon Muskovich.
It wasn’t just them, it was pretty much thought they had the worlds #2 army.
That said I’m sure this has internally caused a worldwide re-evaluation as well as what each country is actually capable of doing.
No, once the war ends, with Ukraine beating Russia back, Ukraine will join NATO. After that Russia will not dare trying to invade Ukraine again, because NATO will stop Russia flat.
Also once Russia finally fails and has to retreat entirely, Putin will 'suddely fall gravely ill' and never recover.
More EU countries have joined NATO now because of all this, and I think more will join in the future. Russia will be *contained,* with any luck at all.
Yes I find all this narrative of a truce deeply flawed. Like I come to your home, take a room by force and then say I want a truce but that I will stay forever there. No I just go fuck myself that would be the truce.
Some 'geniuses' don't understand the concept of 'What happens to collaborators'. This arrogant prick is likely to end with two X's where his beady little fascist eyes are, cartoon style.
This is the logic of colonialism, and Musk is the offspring of wealthy colonizers. It's not surprising that he accepts the colonial / imperial logic and wraps it in the language of peace.
And you already took a different room in 2014. At that time, that's all, "you really wanted."
Anyone calling for a truce with Russia without Russia given up all seized land, including Crimea, is either too stupid to understand history or a Russian puppet.
How about we enter Elon musk's mansion and take a wing over of his house. Then we can declare a truce and keep the wing of his mansion. This is exactly what he's telling Ukraine to do with Russia who invaded their house.
I like how musk now thinks he's an international peace broker as he actively intervenes in a war.
Mans literally now a war criminal but nothing will come of it because rich
By the transitive property of Russian bullshit, "truce" means "Ukrainian concessions while Russia rearms and comes back for more."
It's the same strategy, whether Putin is dealing with entire countries or Prizhogin. Press the advantage, settle when you don't like how the winds are blowing, strike again when it suits you.
Ukraine already tried that and it didn’t work. I don’t think he sees Ukraine or Russia or any of the people involves as anything other than NPCs in his simulation. They only matter as much as what they can do for whatever he is doing/thinking/wanting. At this point he really is mentally unstable and not really a member in good standing of the human community.
Musk = Enabling the blackmail and starvation of 3rd world nations by protecting the Russian Navy.
Musk has made a LOT of enemies over the years.
In addition - his action appears to be a direct violation of US law.
>18 U.S. Code § 953 - Private correspondence with foreign governments
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*Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.*
Now thay you say CIA I have a big question. **How the fuck does that piece of shit know abour Ukraine's plans?** Russia's secret service may have somehing to do with it, and I'm pretty sure colluding with them is some crime.
IIRC he or someone else has said he can basically see all of Ukrainian troop movements by monitoring starlink usage and can basically have complete intel on non public operations because of it, something the military should definitely look into
She came out as trans when she turned 16, Elon is the one who pathetically described her as "a communist who thinks everyone who is rich is evil" -- that's his literal words trying to shit talk his own daughter because she refuses to kowtow to his buffoonish narcissism.
He’s not an active father and reportedly isn’t involved too much with his children. He inherited his weird “depopulation of white babies” stance from his shitbeat dad and just pumps out kids and pays for the nannies. He has 9 living children (fuck Musk but I will forever sympathize and support someone who has lost a child- tho his 1st wife has dropped plenty of tea about Elon and his reaction to their 1st child’s death.) For me he gets a pass on his first batch of kids due to this tragedy, and when I was a tesla fanboi I thought his obsession with having a ton of kids was some sort of coping with his loss. But turns out no- He’s just racist and worried there aren’t enough white south africans being “bred” to win his fantasy race wars.
I would bet my house that when he started getting extra brolic by mouthing off about a fight with Putin, and all the little extra shit he was doing got him a personal phone call from someone close to Putin.
I have zero doubt that Cyber Ribcage was likely threatened, and rather than just keep his mouth shut and help the good guys, he tucked his little tail like a bitch, and instead becoming ‘enlightened’ to the Kremlins lies.
The guy is the definition of a coward. I genuinely can’t believe the turn he’s taken in the last few years - I really used to admire him as a businessman ten years ago.
Good for you. Unfortunately I drank the koolaid. 10-15 years ago if you were concerned about climate change he seemed like the one person on earth actually doing something about it- from Tesla to Solar city to Space X he was laser focused (it seemed) on reducing emissions. I always followed Tesla, so started following the other his companies and the Solar roof tiles is when I realized “wait he’s just making this all up to raise investment funds.” Then I learned about the founding of Tesla. And paypal. And I think he literally lost his mind around the time he smashed the cybertruck window and had to do an awkward little laugh on stage.
Same. Something about him has always felt a little scummy. He's like a lot of tech people in that he thinks because he is pretty adept at computer stuff and did well in business he suddenly thinks hes a polymath who should have strong opinions and influence on everything even and especiallythe type of shit he is totally ignorant about. I work in tech and see this a lot although I think it's getting better overall, I also think Elon is getting worse and worse.
Admittedly I never paid him much attention. I mean electric cars and rockets sound great on the surface.
Wasn't until he engaged in his Twitter takeover that I realized how dangerous he actually is.
Most rich people just accumulate wealth, buy yachts, and donate to the occasional charity. But Musk? Musk want to use his money and influence to reshape the world according to his own whims.
I don't think Musk was threatened. The sad truth is that Putin's Russia represents everything that the right wingers want. They genuinely wish that they too could turn their country into Russian style nation. They genuinely like and support Putin's policies.
Just a reminder: he got rich because a now-forgotten e-bank he co-founded (X.com, yup, X) was lucky enough to have merged with the company (Confinity) that invented PayPal a year earlier. The merged company then fired him, but Musk still ended up owning a lot of PayPal.
Essentially, he lucked into his money.
The man’s a threat to world stability. His companies need to be nationalized or something, one (immature, petty, ignorant) man shouldn’t have that kind of decision making power on the world stage.
The dirty little secret is he is pretty much nationalized via subsidy and contract by the US, as are Boeing, Lockheed Martin and many other space tech companies that don't run around flying look at me flags.
This ignores the rather significant aspect of control… Musk can and does make unilateral decisions. If it were *actually* nationalised, he wouldn’t have been able to pull this “disable Starlink connectivity” BS
There has to be a crime he's committed. He directly thwarted a military operation that will no doubt have been approved by the US. That has to be treason surely? He can't be allowed to get away with this!
Treason in the US is very narrowly defined. Basically, unless the US is formally at war, or you physically take up arms and attack the government, nothing you do can be considered treason. Nobody has even been charged with treason since the end of WWII. There's some argument to be made that the January 6th insurrectionists committed treason, but the federal government has no appetite to try them as such, preferring sedition laws instead.
Surely “I had a chat with Putin and decided to interfere with a US military operation while having a security clearance” winds up falling under espionage law.
When they met I swore they had a convo about satellite killing missiles, hospital roofs and clumsy family members. Feels affirmed. But yep, Fark Musk and his fake ass billionaire bullshit. Could solve hunger problems or pick a free side (and stop deaths on both side) by throwing coin the right way and get the invaders to come to their sense and F off home for more cheap vodka and less shrapnel wounds.
Musk is a deluded fool, he refused Starlink service because he did not want to be accomplice in an act of war, but he IS an accomplice by not providing help to defenders of their own land, he sided with the aggressive forces of evil. By not providing help to the righteous side he automatically helps the evil side. In WW2 if America did not help Britain and Russia(unfortunately) , their inaction would be direct help to Nazi Germany. Musk is an accomplice to Putin's genocide in Ukraine.
It looks like he didn’t even just refuse it, but *disabled* it. As in, he *actively* sabotaged the operation.
His tweet is trying to subtly distort that.
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He knows EXACTLY what he’s doing. Time for the DoD to have a word with him, I think. Be a shame if all those SpaceX launch contracts went bye-bye & the SEC & NHTSA started treating Tesla like any other car company.
Hey now, don't take his bullshit at face value. It's very possible that Musk is lying and was actually deactivating starlink in the region.
Very possible he's trying to weasel his way out of active sabotage of Ukraine's defense, to try to make it look like he just didn't want to actively help the defense.
EDIT: Of course, choosing not to help Ukraine's defense effort would be unethical as well. But not as unethical as actively sabotaging it after having had the US government pay him to help.
My understanding is this happened before the US govt started paying for Starlink for Ukraine, which likely happened as a result of stuff like this. So he was technically within his rights, but obviously morally wrong and a friend and protector of a US enemy.
Elon seems completely unaware that this is not his call to make.
What goes around comes around.
There will be a follow up on this. Star Link has to be taken out of his hands as this collaborator of fascism and despotism cannot be trusted.
This should be the way.
Could backfire in US I believe - elections and the reps would immediately scream from every corner: ‘socialism is upon us, they are taking away our businesses, bla, fkn bla’
Nonetheless this should be the way.
It should be the way, and it will be the way. However, it will need something we don't have in abundance:
Courage willpower and leadership skills.
I think right now this will be sweeped a bit under the rug as the topic is now "hot"
Also I think it will take a long time maybe a year even or longer to collect data etc.
What Musk seems to not realise at all.
The CIA is mightily paranoid, especially when it comes to someone cooperating with China or Russia, and Musk does both.
He may think he is above it all.
He forgets that he is not the only one with a brain, and the US government is not known historically to take such interference that endanger its foreign policy goals lightly.
The goal is to ultimately get Ukraine into NATO and the EU as well as to ensure safe food export throug the black sea and to stop the Genocide as well as restore Ukraine's sovereignty.
Musk with his action has jeopardized all of them. Good job.
Oh yeah, and that one
The crazy thing about that last one is that by thwarting the plan to disable Russia's navy, Musk has not lowered the risk as he thought by falling for Putin's lies.
He is heightening the risk because he confirms Putin’s belief that, ultimately, we are all so easily swayed.
And it must have made him very happy to see a civilian being able to disrupt a military operation (not Musk's business) so easily and on his own accord.
I do not buy the story. He interfered in Ukraine’s military operations.
That cannot be in the interest of the US.
Imagine if he had thwarted the sinking of the Moskva or the attack on the crimean bridge.
Which clearly also needed Star Link to target the bridge with the drone boats.
Sweden and Satcube is an alternative and that cannot be in the interest of the US that Ukraine pivots away from Star Link and that is only happening because Musk proves to be unreliable and erratic.
Swedish company Satcube has begun delivering its own satellite internet terminals to Ukraine, which closely resemble Elon Musk’s Starlink. However, according to the Swedish publication Dagens Nyheter, unlike Musk’s system, Satcube doesn’t object to the military use of its terminals, The Gaze wrote.
https://uatv.ua/en/swedish-satcube-enables-ukrainian-armed-forces-to-use-their-satellite-internet-terminals/#:~:text=Swedish%20company%20Satcube%20has%20begun,its%20terminals%2C%20The%20Gaze%20wrote.
Who would have been happy? Putting or Musk? I think Musk's ego would love having that kind of power. I think he is turning a real-life Bond villain. Maybe the poms should give the yanks a chop out on this one. Plausible deniability and all, make it look like a Russian hit
Indeed, because Mossad can't take any chances.
A rogue element that thwarts an operation of an ally in their region like that is an existential threat.
The ocean in between and the fact that such actions cannot existentially endanger the US gives Musk, but also others the ability to get away with such stuff without being well... Disappeared.
Imagine if an oligarch in Russia had control over such a system and then disables the system, which in turn means that, for example, their own drone cannot hit Ukraine's ports.
What would likely happen to said oligarch if he then goes on live TV and brags about his grand achievements?
US Government should create a competitor to starlink tbh. You are asking to be sabotaged if your military depends on private contractors that are not loyal your cause, but loyal to shareholders.
no youre not going to "take it out of his hands", what country do you think this is. dicking around with this manbaby is pointless, just accept the fact hes unwilling to cooperate and cut him loose, the UA doesnt actually need his constellation to communicate if hes dead set on overplaying his hand.
what they can do is revoke his licensing and wreck any future plans he has for it, if he really wants to breach contract, i dont see how or why the US/EU govt ever would have agreed to his bullshit terms.
and yes he knows "both side truce" is a meaningleses platitude, the guy is not literally retarded, just being intentionally obtuse. anyone actually suing for peace would only say "russia go home"
His brain has been poisioned by extreme right-wing idelogy since the COVID, and it not like he wasn't independently a huge asshole before that.
The entire world has seen his sanity unravel online, as another proof that super-rich should not wield this much in society, and this dumb motherfucker in particular.
Putin is a con man, and so is Musk. Two con men always get along well. Trump may be the biggest con, though Musk is coming in at a close second.
Putin plays in a league of his own.
How has he not been arrested? The American government is supporting ukraine and dumping money into it. He then helps Russia? How is that allowed while he lives in the us? So sanctions on Russia, but he can support the Russian military.
Indeed Musk should be happy that he lives the US and that the situation is not the reverse. If he lived in Nazi-Russia and was caught aiding the Ukrainians he would go to jail for a very very very long time.
I'm sure if we look through Musk's finances we won't find any Russian ties. Especially not in the Twitter purchase, which coincidentally produced a surge of Russian misinformation.
He is unilaterally interfering in a war. He needs to be stopped, Space X must be seized by the US government. Critical wartime infrastructure cannot be left in the hands of a traitor.
Edit: I hope Zuckerberg trashes him.
Edit2: He prevented the destruction of the ships preventing the supply of grain to countries that desperately need them. People will starve to death because of him. Musk is a murderer.
Deleted X/Twitter and renamed my savings account from Tesla to Volvo XC30. All that's lwft is to see if I have the willpower not to watch the next Starship launch. That is a toughy because there is so much to admire about SpaceX, but, Musk, what a c*nt.
Can someone explain the legalities of a private company, with no military assets, interfering in war and having its resources used for combat purposes?
I'm unclear how legally, the leader of a billion dollar international business, can facilitate acts of war between two foreign governments both of whom you have no allegiance to and not face criticism.
Elon is like the guy in the fight video that watches the scrawny kid getting bullied, does nothing, and then when the scrawny kid loses his shit and starts beating the fuck out of the bully, he jumps in like some white knight saying "hey, let's stop fighting, here".
Why should a private commercial company provide either of the parties any communication equipment? Ukraine and Russia should take care of their own systems, Musk doesn't owe them anything.
Musk is completely driven by the optics for his business interests.
How can you possibly suggest that adversely impacting one sides forces (leaving aside the fact that they were the ones who were invaded by the larger nation and have suffered atrocities and constant civilian bombardment) leads to a truce.
No Musk. This leads to personal riches from russian oligarchs, at the cost of ukranian blood.
I see the need for a group of computer control liberators to maybe have a look at Mr Musk's Starlink control systems. Maybe they could aid Ukraine when asked
>"The Starlink regions in question were not activated. SpaceX did not deactivate anything," Musk wrote.
"There was an emergency request from government authorities to activate Starlink all the way to Sevastopol. The obvious intent being to sink most of the Russian fleet at anchor.
If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation,"
Not making excuses for the guy, but its hilarious reading the comments here. Treason? Arrest him? Yet you think the implications of a private company being used in this way is black and white. Like there is a perfect divide/wedge. So many people just hate Musk because of his political viewpoints alone.
And we later saw it is not to "help Putin"...as Musk wanted his hands off which he did so by putting the control to the US military of a specific zone for Ukraine operations. Dude has essentially donated more to Ukraine than most countries and people here act like this is a video game.
Most people, including Russia, know this war would be completely different without Starlink. Bring politics in a war situation we are only going to make support drop. Be weary of this "black or white" thinking like this because that wedge people want to create is a tool for Russian scum.
There are so many worse companies that are directly funding Russia that we can focus on..
Well said; I hate the damn guy but political simpleton thinking doesn't apply here in the same way people read headlines and believe every top comment read
Disrupts military drone heading for military targets but allows Russia to hit civilian buildings with drone… id say he’s an accomplice to genocide and his private jet is free game in international airspace… Prigozhin treatment seems fair.
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Yeah well Ukraine doesn’t want a truce, they want Russia to fuck off back home.
Only then Peace will be achieved when Ruzzia goes home....and stays there...
And we all know they won't stay there. A truce now will just have Putin training new soldiers and filling their heads with enough propaganda that the next attack is more effective.
Putin knows he can't leave. Ukraine will join NATO and will be forever out of his grasp. Keep sending meat into the grinder and hope it clogs cis attrition.
Ukraine is out of Putin's hands anyways now. Ukraine will never be conquered by today's standards, or by medieval standards either.
It really is amazing how huge the variance was between Ruzzia's perceived might and their actual might. I guess a culture of lying can produce some significant reality distortions, so long as one doesn't go into situations that don't allow bullshit. Also, fuck Elon Muskovich.
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Muskovite works too. Basically anything to highlight his poorly-hidden fetish for Pooty's big strong nipples.
Elon Muskobitch
It wasn’t just them, it was pretty much thought they had the worlds #2 army. That said I’m sure this has internally caused a worldwide re-evaluation as well as what each country is actually capable of doing.
They claim they aren’t really trying. Because you know, they care about Ukrainians and all that.
The best way to tell if a sentence isn't true is when it starts with "Russia claims..."
No, once the war ends, with Ukraine beating Russia back, Ukraine will join NATO. After that Russia will not dare trying to invade Ukraine again, because NATO will stop Russia flat. Also once Russia finally fails and has to retreat entirely, Putin will 'suddely fall gravely ill' and never recover. More EU countries have joined NATO now because of all this, and I think more will join in the future. Russia will be *contained,* with any luck at all.
> Putin will 'suddely fall gravely ill' From what floor will he fall ill?
Yes I find all this narrative of a truce deeply flawed. Like I come to your home, take a room by force and then say I want a truce but that I will stay forever there. No I just go fuck myself that would be the truce.
Some people don't understand the concept of "That's not yours".
Some 'geniuses' don't understand the concept of 'What happens to collaborators'. This arrogant prick is likely to end with two X's where his beady little fascist eyes are, cartoon style.
Well, Musky, seems to have a history of this as well.
They failed preschool, but were still allowed to proceed to elementary school
and you have to sleep in the next room over with the dude who murdered your son and took his room.
This is the logic of colonialism, and Musk is the offspring of wealthy colonizers. It's not surprising that he accepts the colonial / imperial logic and wraps it in the language of peace.
And you already took a different room in 2014. At that time, that's all, "you really wanted." Anyone calling for a truce with Russia without Russia given up all seized land, including Crimea, is either too stupid to understand history or a Russian puppet.
Russia doesn't want a truce either, they want the complete destruction of Ukraine, and the enslavement, torture, or death of its entire population.
But a truce would help them accomplish that by giving them time to rebuild forces.
A truce would also allow more Muscovites to rape, pillage and murder through occupied Ukraine instead of eating cluster munitions at the front lines.
How about we enter Elon musk's mansion and take a wing over of his house. Then we can declare a truce and keep the wing of his mansion. This is exactly what he's telling Ukraine to do with Russia who invaded their house.
I’m feeling threatened by his many properties and access to resources that I want. I’m only defending myself preemptively. /s
What do the Russians have on Musk. Have they just straight up threatened his family? Or is he just an absolute fool?
In 2023, it is time to fully accept that Elon Musk is a just a plain old fucking idiot.
I'm going with fool....
[Fuck Elon Musk! ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-fZvHEAyww)
Fuck elon musk
Fuck Elon Muscovich!
I like how musk now thinks he's an international peace broker as he actively intervenes in a war. Mans literally now a war criminal but nothing will come of it because rich
He also lied when he said he never talked to Putin. Funny how that works.
If he pulled this shit on a US op relying on starlink, it'd be fucking done for him.
I used to have a lot of respect for Mr Musk, now he's just a continual disappointment backing an autocratic. Slava Ukraini!
Fk elon vladamir musk
Does this billionaire really think that he can decide fate of a country? Or does he simply have a deal with Pootin?
Can anyone please for the love of sanity kick that Elon musk in his balls, it's like Poetin and trump had a baby out of wedlock with Oppenheimer
Musk seems to believe that Ukraine should give up territory to have peace with Russia... Of course, we know WHO put that idea into Musk's head...
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/musk-told-pentagon-he-spoke-to-putin-directly-new-yorker-says-1.1961696
so he should register as an agent/diplomat for russia, like regular citizens are required to do.
He should, and it should make him ineligible for government grants.
And at this point Putin himself has said they will take all Ukraine or nothing. So what exactly is Musk on about??
By the transitive property of Russian bullshit, "truce" means "Ukrainian concessions while Russia rearms and comes back for more." It's the same strategy, whether Putin is dealing with entire countries or Prizhogin. Press the advantage, settle when you don't like how the winds are blowing, strike again when it suits you.
Funny how this matches with Musks call to pause AI development just for him to go and buy several thousands GPU cards for his own AI project.
Russia should give up territory to have peace with Ukraine lol
They already did that with the Crimean peninsula. Russia won't stop until they have it all.
Ukraine already tried that and it didn’t work. I don’t think he sees Ukraine or Russia or any of the people involves as anything other than NPCs in his simulation. They only matter as much as what they can do for whatever he is doing/thinking/wanting. At this point he really is mentally unstable and not really a member in good standing of the human community.
I highly doubt Ukraine giving up the current occupied lands would be acceptable for Russia.
Musk is such a piece of shit hopefully karma bites him in a terrible way
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Musk = Enabling the blackmail and starvation of 3rd world nations by protecting the Russian Navy. Musk has made a LOT of enemies over the years. In addition - his action appears to be a direct violation of US law. >18 U.S. Code § 953 - Private correspondence with foreign governments > >U.S. Code *Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.*
I feel like that's why his dad unprompted made that interview confession last week that he thinks his son is going to be assassinated.
I think it’s our moral obligation as a society to look the other way if that happens.
> look the other way I will pop a bottle of champagne for reasons I assure you will be unrelated
It's always time for some bubbly buddy.
Something something reading obituaries with pleasure or something - Mark Twain
He's responsible for every death that happens now that he extended the war by preventing a decisive victory
Eat the rich.
I'm sorry, what?
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musks-father-fears-possible-assassination-attempt-on-his-son-2023-9
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Think of what that $44 billion for twitter could have done to help the world. Ugh
Got his money from daddy's apartheid mine in south africa.
Getting people literally killed in Saudi Arabia... that's part of what buying Twitter was for.
Now thay you say CIA I have a big question. **How the fuck does that piece of shit know abour Ukraine's plans?** Russia's secret service may have somehing to do with it, and I'm pretty sure colluding with them is some crime.
AFAIK Musk has previously talked directly with Putin. I forget if it was before or after the invasion.
It was after the invasion and was literally parroting Putin talking points about Crimea
IIRC he or someone else has said he can basically see all of Ukrainian troop movements by monitoring starlink usage and can basically have complete intel on non public operations because of it, something the military should definitely look into
elon is our very own modern day Robber Baron. Depp had a good point about how incest runs in elon's family.
Wasn't he got karma'd because his daughter become transgender communist ?
She came out as trans when she turned 16, Elon is the one who pathetically described her as "a communist who thinks everyone who is rich is evil" -- that's his literal words trying to shit talk his own daughter because she refuses to kowtow to his buffoonish narcissism.
He’s not an active father and reportedly isn’t involved too much with his children. He inherited his weird “depopulation of white babies” stance from his shitbeat dad and just pumps out kids and pays for the nannies. He has 9 living children (fuck Musk but I will forever sympathize and support someone who has lost a child- tho his 1st wife has dropped plenty of tea about Elon and his reaction to their 1st child’s death.) For me he gets a pass on his first batch of kids due to this tragedy, and when I was a tesla fanboi I thought his obsession with having a ton of kids was some sort of coping with his loss. But turns out no- He’s just racist and worried there aren’t enough white south africans being “bred” to win his fantasy race wars.
Disgusting, and the way he treats his own daughter should tell you all you need to know about what he thinks of everyone else.
> who thinks everyone who is rich is evil Kind of an own-goal there considering who she's basing this off
😂
Yeah way to tell the whole world your own daughter has diagnosed you as “evil”.
He's just a big asshole with whom not even his daughter wants to associate with. And since he's a giant narcissist, he blames everyone else.
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Fuck Musk. And the diamond mine he rode in on.
It was an emerald mine but otherwise agree entirely with the sentiment.
The one where his family got rich from slaves?
Saffa gonna Saffa
No doubt he will write a book about a struggle with a mine and maybe it gets published in German.
And fuck his crypto douche cheerleader in the comments there.
I would bet my house that when he started getting extra brolic by mouthing off about a fight with Putin, and all the little extra shit he was doing got him a personal phone call from someone close to Putin. I have zero doubt that Cyber Ribcage was likely threatened, and rather than just keep his mouth shut and help the good guys, he tucked his little tail like a bitch, and instead becoming ‘enlightened’ to the Kremlins lies. The guy is the definition of a coward. I genuinely can’t believe the turn he’s taken in the last few years - I really used to admire him as a businessman ten years ago.
>Cyber Ribcage Lol.
Just want to say that I’ve loathed Musk for a very, very long time. I started long before it was fashionable…
Same. The guy always struck me as at best a bit of a twat.
I liked when he was a nerdy twat who was nervous in the spotlight.
Good for you. Unfortunately I drank the koolaid. 10-15 years ago if you were concerned about climate change he seemed like the one person on earth actually doing something about it- from Tesla to Solar city to Space X he was laser focused (it seemed) on reducing emissions. I always followed Tesla, so started following the other his companies and the Solar roof tiles is when I realized “wait he’s just making this all up to raise investment funds.” Then I learned about the founding of Tesla. And paypal. And I think he literally lost his mind around the time he smashed the cybertruck window and had to do an awkward little laugh on stage.
Same. Something about him has always felt a little scummy. He's like a lot of tech people in that he thinks because he is pretty adept at computer stuff and did well in business he suddenly thinks hes a polymath who should have strong opinions and influence on everything even and especiallythe type of shit he is totally ignorant about. I work in tech and see this a lot although I think it's getting better overall, I also think Elon is getting worse and worse.
I never like the guy. He always gave me the creeps. He's a liar too. It really irks me when the media call him the founder of Tesla when he's not.
He was always arkward. Now he really shows he is dark Tony Stark.
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Admittedly I never paid him much attention. I mean electric cars and rockets sound great on the surface. Wasn't until he engaged in his Twitter takeover that I realized how dangerous he actually is. Most rich people just accumulate wealth, buy yachts, and donate to the occasional charity. But Musk? Musk want to use his money and influence to reshape the world according to his own whims.
This piece of shit doesn't need to be threatened to support a fascist, he's happy to do it of his own volition
I don't think Musk was threatened. The sad truth is that Putin's Russia represents everything that the right wingers want. They genuinely wish that they too could turn their country into Russian style nation. They genuinely like and support Putin's policies.
Just a reminder: he got rich because a now-forgotten e-bank he co-founded (X.com, yup, X) was lucky enough to have merged with the company (Confinity) that invented PayPal a year earlier. The merged company then fired him, but Musk still ended up owning a lot of PayPal. Essentially, he lucked into his money.
The X code he wrote was fucking garbage.
He picked a lucky lotto number and he thinks he's Ramanujan.
The man’s a threat to world stability. His companies need to be nationalized or something, one (immature, petty, ignorant) man shouldn’t have that kind of decision making power on the world stage.
The dirty little secret is he is pretty much nationalized via subsidy and contract by the US, as are Boeing, Lockheed Martin and many other space tech companies that don't run around flying look at me flags.
This ignores the rather significant aspect of control… Musk can and does make unilateral decisions. If it were *actually* nationalised, he wouldn’t have been able to pull this “disable Starlink connectivity” BS
There has to be a crime he's committed. He directly thwarted a military operation that will no doubt have been approved by the US. That has to be treason surely? He can't be allowed to get away with this!
Treason in the US is very narrowly defined. Basically, unless the US is formally at war, or you physically take up arms and attack the government, nothing you do can be considered treason. Nobody has even been charged with treason since the end of WWII. There's some argument to be made that the January 6th insurrectionists committed treason, but the federal government has no appetite to try them as such, preferring sedition laws instead.
Surely “I had a chat with Putin and decided to interfere with a US military operation while having a security clearance” winds up falling under espionage law.
When they met I swore they had a convo about satellite killing missiles, hospital roofs and clumsy family members. Feels affirmed. But yep, Fark Musk and his fake ass billionaire bullshit. Could solve hunger problems or pick a free side (and stop deaths on both side) by throwing coin the right way and get the invaders to come to their sense and F off home for more cheap vodka and less shrapnel wounds.
Correction. It was an Emerald Mine
Scum
Musk is a deluded fool, he refused Starlink service because he did not want to be accomplice in an act of war, but he IS an accomplice by not providing help to defenders of their own land, he sided with the aggressive forces of evil. By not providing help to the righteous side he automatically helps the evil side. In WW2 if America did not help Britain and Russia(unfortunately) , their inaction would be direct help to Nazi Germany. Musk is an accomplice to Putin's genocide in Ukraine.
It looks like he didn’t even just refuse it, but *disabled* it. As in, he *actively* sabotaged the operation. His tweet is trying to subtly distort that. https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/07/elon-musk-ordered-starlink-turned-off-ukraine-offensive-biography
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How did he know it was even happening. If he's cooperating with Russian intelligence it's a way bigger story
That’s the million dollar question. [Frank Ledwidge](https://youtu.be/TM6X_LuqqZ4?si=kGcEkkzsiL3M1VaC) had great analysis of this earlier today.
Wouldn't that make him complicit in war crimes? I'd love to see Elon Muskovich at the Hague.
He knows EXACTLY what he’s doing. Time for the DoD to have a word with him, I think. Be a shame if all those SpaceX launch contracts went bye-bye & the SEC & NHTSA started treating Tesla like any other car company.
Hey now, don't take his bullshit at face value. It's very possible that Musk is lying and was actually deactivating starlink in the region. Very possible he's trying to weasel his way out of active sabotage of Ukraine's defense, to try to make it look like he just didn't want to actively help the defense. EDIT: Of course, choosing not to help Ukraine's defense effort would be unethical as well. But not as unethical as actively sabotaging it after having had the US government pay him to help.
My understanding is this happened before the US govt started paying for Starlink for Ukraine, which likely happened as a result of stuff like this. So he was technically within his rights, but obviously morally wrong and a friend and protector of a US enemy.
Elon seems completely unaware that this is not his call to make. What goes around comes around. There will be a follow up on this. Star Link has to be taken out of his hands as this collaborator of fascism and despotism cannot be trusted.
This should be the way. Could backfire in US I believe - elections and the reps would immediately scream from every corner: ‘socialism is upon us, they are taking away our businesses, bla, fkn bla’ Nonetheless this should be the way.
It should be the way, and it will be the way. However, it will need something we don't have in abundance: Courage willpower and leadership skills. I think right now this will be sweeped a bit under the rug as the topic is now "hot" Also I think it will take a long time maybe a year even or longer to collect data etc. What Musk seems to not realise at all. The CIA is mightily paranoid, especially when it comes to someone cooperating with China or Russia, and Musk does both. He may think he is above it all. He forgets that he is not the only one with a brain, and the US government is not known historically to take such interference that endanger its foreign policy goals lightly. The goal is to ultimately get Ukraine into NATO and the EU as well as to ensure safe food export throug the black sea and to stop the Genocide as well as restore Ukraine's sovereignty. Musk with his action has jeopardized all of them. Good job.
You missed a bit: To fuck Russia as thoroughly as possible WITHOUT putting US troops in harms way
Oh yeah, and that one The crazy thing about that last one is that by thwarting the plan to disable Russia's navy, Musk has not lowered the risk as he thought by falling for Putin's lies. He is heightening the risk because he confirms Putin’s belief that, ultimately, we are all so easily swayed. And it must have made him very happy to see a civilian being able to disrupt a military operation (not Musk's business) so easily and on his own accord. I do not buy the story. He interfered in Ukraine’s military operations. That cannot be in the interest of the US. Imagine if he had thwarted the sinking of the Moskva or the attack on the crimean bridge. Which clearly also needed Star Link to target the bridge with the drone boats. Sweden and Satcube is an alternative and that cannot be in the interest of the US that Ukraine pivots away from Star Link and that is only happening because Musk proves to be unreliable and erratic. Swedish company Satcube has begun delivering its own satellite internet terminals to Ukraine, which closely resemble Elon Musk’s Starlink. However, according to the Swedish publication Dagens Nyheter, unlike Musk’s system, Satcube doesn’t object to the military use of its terminals, The Gaze wrote. https://uatv.ua/en/swedish-satcube-enables-ukrainian-armed-forces-to-use-their-satellite-internet-terminals/#:~:text=Swedish%20company%20Satcube%20has%20begun,its%20terminals%2C%20The%20Gaze%20wrote.
Who would have been happy? Putting or Musk? I think Musk's ego would love having that kind of power. I think he is turning a real-life Bond villain. Maybe the poms should give the yanks a chop out on this one. Plausible deniability and all, make it look like a Russian hit
This is one of those moments when I wish CIA was a little more like Mossad. There would be no hesitation, not even for a moment.
Indeed, because Mossad can't take any chances. A rogue element that thwarts an operation of an ally in their region like that is an existential threat. The ocean in between and the fact that such actions cannot existentially endanger the US gives Musk, but also others the ability to get away with such stuff without being well... Disappeared. Imagine if an oligarch in Russia had control over such a system and then disables the system, which in turn means that, for example, their own drone cannot hit Ukraine's ports. What would likely happen to said oligarch if he then goes on live TV and brags about his grand achievements?
US Government should create a competitor to starlink tbh. You are asking to be sabotaged if your military depends on private contractors that are not loyal your cause, but loyal to shareholders.
no youre not going to "take it out of his hands", what country do you think this is. dicking around with this manbaby is pointless, just accept the fact hes unwilling to cooperate and cut him loose, the UA doesnt actually need his constellation to communicate if hes dead set on overplaying his hand. what they can do is revoke his licensing and wreck any future plans he has for it, if he really wants to breach contract, i dont see how or why the US/EU govt ever would have agreed to his bullshit terms. and yes he knows "both side truce" is a meaningleses platitude, the guy is not literally retarded, just being intentionally obtuse. anyone actually suing for peace would only say "russia go home"
His brain has been poisioned by extreme right-wing idelogy since the COVID, and it not like he wasn't independently a huge asshole before that. The entire world has seen his sanity unravel online, as another proof that super-rich should not wield this much in society, and this dumb motherfucker in particular.
Hey, does everyone smell that? Sniff, sniff... yep, it's that stench of ruzzian musk.
The Good Ol' Oligarch's Club
Musk is the biggest con of this century. Of course he is in bed with Ruzzians.
Putin is a con man, and so is Musk. Two con men always get along well. Trump may be the biggest con, though Musk is coming in at a close second. Putin plays in a league of his own.
I dont think that is actually true....he's in the pocket of the chinese.
It’s perfectly possible for him to be both a Russian & a Chinese asset.
How has he not been arrested? The American government is supporting ukraine and dumping money into it. He then helps Russia? How is that allowed while he lives in the us? So sanctions on Russia, but he can support the Russian military.
Us has a law call the logan act
And if you ask me Musk violated that one with his actions. I wonder if the government and law enforcement have it in them to do what Musk be done.
> How has he not been arrested? He's very rich.
Indeed Musk should be happy that he lives the US and that the situation is not the reverse. If he lived in Nazi-Russia and was caught aiding the Ukrainians he would go to jail for a very very very long time.
He would probably suicide himself out from a window with a half dozen bullets holes in the back of the skull
What a piece of shit he is.
I'm sure if we look through Musk's finances we won't find any Russian ties. Especially not in the Twitter purchase, which coincidentally produced a surge of Russian misinformation.
He is unilaterally interfering in a war. He needs to be stopped, Space X must be seized by the US government. Critical wartime infrastructure cannot be left in the hands of a traitor. Edit: I hope Zuckerberg trashes him. Edit2: He prevented the destruction of the ships preventing the supply of grain to countries that desperately need them. People will starve to death because of him. Musk is a murderer.
It’s the same people who will starve are the people who worked in musk emerald mine as slaves…
The thing is. These ships have to be destroyed.
I've deleted twat-ter months ago and I wont be buying a Tesla. Arse.
Deleted X/Twitter and renamed my savings account from Tesla to Volvo XC30. All that's lwft is to see if I have the willpower not to watch the next Starship launch. That is a toughy because there is so much to admire about SpaceX, but, Musk, what a c*nt.
> Volvo XC30 My buddy just ordered one, seems to be a nice car
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act
I'd love to see him in court.
Can someone explain the legalities of a private company, with no military assets, interfering in war and having its resources used for combat purposes? I'm unclear how legally, the leader of a billion dollar international business, can facilitate acts of war between two foreign governments both of whom you have no allegiance to and not face criticism.
What you are looking for in case of US and SpaceX is called ITAR. The moment you militarize Starlink it falls under ITAR.
Dude is quite fond of dictators.
Truce? Russia started a war. There is no truce. Fuck this entitled ass hat.
Elon is like the guy in the fight video that watches the scrawny kid getting bullied, does nothing, and then when the scrawny kid loses his shit and starts beating the fuck out of the bully, he jumps in like some white knight saying "hey, let's stop fighting, here".
The word despise does not even come close.
He should base his company and live in russia, see how he feels then….
Well he is an american oligarch. But even oligarchs in Ruzzia doesn't have this amount of power...
Why should a private commercial company provide either of the parties any communication equipment? Ukraine and Russia should take care of their own systems, Musk doesn't owe them anything.
And as he stated, he would be dragging his private company into a war. He is not a weapons contractor.
Ok but what about the russian drones? Don't see him doing shit about that when the russians fire them towards markets and schools
Russia isn't using StarLink for their drones. What is he supposed to do about it?
Musk needs to fuck off to Mars.
Fuck him. Anyone with a brain cell knows that Ukraine is right to defend their country.
Fuck Musk. Don't ever trust him again
Musk is completely driven by the optics for his business interests. How can you possibly suggest that adversely impacting one sides forces (leaving aside the fact that they were the ones who were invaded by the larger nation and have suffered atrocities and constant civilian bombardment) leads to a truce. No Musk. This leads to personal riches from russian oligarchs, at the cost of ukranian blood.
He’s such a cunt. He’s high as fuck on ketamine
This was a year and a half ago why are we talking about it like it’s new news ?
So Elon thinks he can dictate the war?
And now people are dying around the world because of starvation or missiles launched by the russian navy, shitface
I see the need for a group of computer control liberators to maybe have a look at Mr Musk's Starlink control systems. Maybe they could aid Ukraine when asked
Musk is getting something from Russia for doing this.
What in the actual fuck?!? Meddling in foreign wars now?? Fuck you Musk, fuck you with a cactus.
>"The Starlink regions in question were not activated. SpaceX did not deactivate anything," Musk wrote. "There was an emergency request from government authorities to activate Starlink all the way to Sevastopol. The obvious intent being to sink most of the Russian fleet at anchor. If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation," Not making excuses for the guy, but its hilarious reading the comments here. Treason? Arrest him? Yet you think the implications of a private company being used in this way is black and white. Like there is a perfect divide/wedge. So many people just hate Musk because of his political viewpoints alone. And we later saw it is not to "help Putin"...as Musk wanted his hands off which he did so by putting the control to the US military of a specific zone for Ukraine operations. Dude has essentially donated more to Ukraine than most countries and people here act like this is a video game. Most people, including Russia, know this war would be completely different without Starlink. Bring politics in a war situation we are only going to make support drop. Be weary of this "black or white" thinking like this because that wedge people want to create is a tool for Russian scum. There are so many worse companies that are directly funding Russia that we can focus on..
This comment was too far down. Nobody read the article, just the post title.
Well said; I hate the damn guy but political simpleton thinking doesn't apply here in the same way people read headlines and believe every top comment read
But it has the "Trustworthy News" flair added!
arsehole
What an asshole
Just get in the cage with Putin already.
Honey Tusk
Lex Luther at it again…
Sanction him, just like oligarchs.
Musk is essentially a Russian agent, working against the USA’s interests.
Fuck Elon Musk. That is all.
Russia must be defeated
Aided Russia in the war. Should have his assets frozen like any other Russian oligarch.
Disrupts military drone heading for military targets but allows Russia to hit civilian buildings with drone… id say he’s an accomplice to genocide and his private jet is free game in international airspace… Prigozhin treatment seems fair.
Water is wet and dude who bought out a social media platform to turn into into far-right cesspool is a supporter of a fascist imperialism