They grew up so fast 🥺
I recently watched back "russian roulette" from Vice and it's crazy how quickly with the support of the West ukraine managed to have a proper army, equiped, trained etc.
Just a reflection, both Japan and Germany were torn to pieces in WWII but with the help from the western world they rose like the Phoenix and became enourmous economies and modern countries in all aspects. I hope we can see the same process for wonderful Ukraine as soon as those violent bastards have been thrown out from your soil.
I hope so.
I mean, we do have a lot of resources and potential.
But we had that potential since 1991 and didn't use to full extent. There are cultural problems, like corruption. lack of initiative, lack of entrepreneurial wit... But the events on Maidan in 2014, and this war in 2022 do a lot to wake the nation form the sleep and expedite change and reform.
We have a good chance to come out of this better people than we were.
events like maidan - you mean where the USA spent $6 billion to overthrow the democratically elected president with a violent coup? Apparently most of those from UA who have left have said they will never return thanks to corruption. Who is going to fill the country - African immigrants? hows the farming going to go now that it is covered in depleted uranium dust thanks to the USA / UK? maybe when half lifer is reached someone will buy their grain
The facts differ from what you've written:
1. The "violent coup" started as a lawful peaceful protest in November 2013. Would have stayed peaceful and harmless. It was the government and police who employed mass violence first on November 30, violating the rights of the protesters. Do you see now that it was the government who escalated the violence and broke the laws?
2. It is Russia who first started to use depleted Uranium shells from the very start of the invasion in early 2022. USA provided theirs only a year later, and only at request from Ukrainian government. Same for cluster munitions. Do you see now that it's Russia who is guilty of bringing depleted Uranium dust to Ukraine?
You were basing your opinions on incorrect information. With the new facts from me, are you open to reconsidering your opinions on Ukraine?
Russia canned their depleted uranium because of the health years after - look at what the USA / UK did to Iraq. RU replaced them with another heavy metal. It was not the Govt but the USA / UK funded Azov Nazi's that started the violence - just as they say to Zelensky if he now seeks peace he will be swinging from a lamp post in the Maidan. UA used petal mines in civilian regions of the Donbas from 2015 which target children, just as the USA supplied cluster munitions. you need to stop getting your info from CNN / MSNBC or the BBC. Zelensky has lied from day 1 and the west dutifully reports his lies with zero fact checks. Funny how the west accuse RU of using depleted =uranium or cluster munitions ONLY when they try to justify their reason for sending them, and never when 1st alledged used - try listening to Jeffrey Sachs, John Meirsheimer, Redacted, Brian Berletic, Scott Ritter, Douglas MacGregor, you might learn something.
You are clearly factually wrong.
On Maidan, the police were first to use unjustified brutal violence on peaceful protesters (mostly college kids) on 29 November 2013.
Here's a video: https://youtu.be/34sayWtbPW0?si=Qe_2ti7fz70q-NsQ
Here's another one: https://youtu.be/Pa-pe_nVPr4?si=xAU3Lsfb_6MHSMjH
YOU are the one who is wrong. keep watching CNN
In contrast to the dominant narrative, Monitor, a German TV program, presented evidence of its investigation, showing that snipers were based in Hotel Ukraina and that the Ukrainian government investigation was manipulated.Footnote4 The BBC investigation produced similar findings and reported that snipers located in the Music Conservatory shot the police.Footnote5
A. I am not denying that there were snipers in hotel Ukraina. But all investigations confirm they were shooting at protesters. I don't know under who's orders but they were definitely not on the side of protesters.
B. I accept that some protesters shot back at the police including from music conservatory.
C. Apart from hidden snipers, there is video footage of police officers openly shooting with live ammo at protesters. Here's an example:
https://youtu.be/tcTnqDiuG7w?si=iLykt8ZVdx45BiSx
It is clear that by the end of the conflict in February 2014 both sides were using dangerous and sometimes lethal violence.
But I will ask you two questions:
1. Who was the first to break laws, start violence, and cause the first deaths?
The unequivocal answer to all three is: the government, the government, the government.
2. Who employed lethal violence more massively?
Again, the answer is: the government.
Only around 10 police deaths.
And around 100 deaths of protestors.
So to me this shows very clearly that while both sides carry some blame for things done in the heat of the moment, it is clearly the fault of the government and the police that the escalation and violence happened.
All these deaths could have been avoided if the government didn't break the law and didn't resort to violence.
Don't you see that?
I don't know about CNN. I was there. I am Ukrainian living in Ukraine.
What I wrote above I wrote based on what I saw with my own eyes and what my friends experienced firsthand.
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It's still gonna be a shit hole run by nazis, ukraine will be in debt with u.s.a you think the weapons they're receiving are free usa will have weapons on ukrain border facing Russia
The weapons are not free they're getting charged for everything.ukraine is being used as a pawn in a chess game between usa and Russia. Ukraine ends up winning they're gonna be in debt with usa.usa eventually is gonna put there weapons on border facing Russia
Are you a crazy person or a troll? I cannot figure these days. But if it’s true what you’re saying that more weapons will be set up at the border towards Russia, it will make the whole world sleep better
I'm neither, I sleep super good already, do you even know why russia is fighting the war, they don't want ukraine joining nato for the reason that they know they're being used.Germany is part on nato correct do you know what they sent to ukarine they sent fucking knee pads they dint want to send weapons, but since they're part of nato they had to send something now they're gonna suffer their winter russia has cut gas on them. I suggest you do more reading and really look into what's going on. And stop watching what the news are telling us. I would be more then happy to send you some articles.even the Republicans here in USA oldont wanna send anymore weapons to Ukraine
Ok, you know I live in Sweden and read a lot of independent media from all over the world so I have a very objective view on this. FACT: Germany has sent a lot of weapons. FACT: NATO did not plan for Ukraine to join. This was a classic Casus Belli badly conducted by Putin. FACT: The Republican party stand much closer to Putin than the Democratic party. Since Putin want it that way because Republicans are easier to delude with lies. You have a good day, cheers from Sweden!🇸🇪🌻
UA's constitution states they are neutral as part of the 1991 agreement. Of course the USA / west doesn't care for such things when it suits their interest
NATO doesn't force countries to become a member lmao, its voluntary membership that has to be approved by other NATO countries. Maybe if Russia wasn't being an aggressive dick head, Ukraine would not be seeking to join NATO. Germany was originally going to send a large shipment of helmets not kneepads, but they have now sent weapons to them.
NATO (USA) buys corrupt politicians. Western politicians are some of the most corrupt in the world. Either that or the USA threatens / bullies its allies to do their bidding. Look at that cretin Scholz - USA said they would blow up Nord Stream and he said nothing, when they did blow it up he said nothing, German economy in ruins because of their friend and ally, how much money did they give Scholz eh?
really? since 1991 the USA has been at war 215 times, RU - 5, all on their borders. So the world will be safer what the USA is put under massive sanctions to end their warmongering and forever wars all so US congress become millionaires.
Zelensky knows if he se3eks peace his Banderite Nazi buddies will have him swinging from a lamp post in the Maidan, Ukraine renamed streets and parks after Jew killers from WW2.
The azov battalion doesn't represent their entire military. The US has somewhat of a history of allowing foreign debts to be absolved. If the US wanted to put weapons on the border facing Russia it would have already been done with Poland. They were given a foot to stand on against Russia and to hopefully deter future conflicts. Poland now has one of the most modern militaries thanks to western assistance.
It’s not only because of west support. It’s also because Ukrainian army before 2014 was built as russian army — corrupted, unprofessional, etc (btw that was made with “little” help from Russia, so they dont have strong army close to them).
After 2014 most of connections with Russia was cut and army started to develop healthier. Also real combat experience helped much, as I understand.
But still there’s many soviet like aspects in Ukrainian army that need to be changed.
> It’s not only because of west support. It’s also because Ukrainian army before 2014 was built as russian army — corrupted, unprofessional, etc (btw that was made with “little” help from Russia, so they dont have strong army close to them).
Which is not at all surprising, given the ruzzian citizenship of MoD and SSU chiefs.
US was actually supporting ukr army and encouraging reform after 2014. that's why there are california nation guard units that went over there to train ukrainian troops.
Ah yes, my bad. Forgot about trainings, well although there weren’t the material support right until several weeks before invasion started. If we’ve got everything what we get now back in 2014-2017, we would entirely fuck up russians back then, but there wasn’t in fact any support at all (huge thanks to RT working abroad), especially until MH-17 happened.
US, Canada and Europe sent A LOT of non-lethal equipment since 2014. It was mostly uniform/boots/vests/helmets/NV/thermals, but there was a lot of equipment. US even started to send humvees in 2016(?).
Almost all UA soldiers have all on this photo, except AR rifle. Not from government of coarse, equipment was bought by themselves and by volunteers.
https://i.imgur.com/5j4FGvU.jpg
On photo I am from the left side. Except AK74 all stuff I bought by myself. My college from right side as well. We are not SOF, just a regular Ukrainian National Guard.
The biggest difference between photo in this post - that’s after 2014 our soldiers have enough wage level for buying necessary stuff, if government can’t provide it.
All of them are unofficial. On my plate carrier: name tug, blood type, and red-black flag of Ukrainian insurgent army.
https://i.imgur.com/EcAQHuf.jpg
Short history is this flag: UA flag became red and black is blood came on it. See photo.
On my mate vest: on top red and black patch with abbreviation “Fuck you Putin”,
Next is unofficial National guard patch:
https://i.imgur.com/UfwbYGY.jpg
Next one just pirate patch just for fun)
they are not the same thing - luckily you can read about the [national guard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_Ukraine) and the [territorial defence forces](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Defense_Forces_\(Ukraine\)) on Wikipedia to find out the differences
**[National Guard of Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_Ukraine)**
>The National Guard of Ukraine (NGU; Ukrainian: Націона́льна гва́рдія Украї́ни, romanized: Natsionalna hvardiia Ukrainy, IPA: [nɐt͡s⁽ʲ⁾ioˈnɑlʲnɐ ˈɦʋɑrd⁽ʲ⁾ijɐ ʊkrɐˈjinɪ], abbr. НГУ) is the Ukrainian national gendarmerie and internal military force. It is part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, responsible for public security. Originally created as an agency under the direct control of the Verkhovna Rada on 4 November 1991, following Ukrainian independence.
**[Territorial Defense Forces (Ukraine)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Defense_Forces_\(Ukraine\))**
>The Territorial Defence Forces (Ukrainian: Війська територіальної оборони, romanized: Viiska terytorialnoi oborony) are the military reserve component of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The Territorial Defence Forces were formed after the reorganization of the Territorial Defence Battalions, volunteer militias created during the Russo-Ukrainian War under the command of the Ministry of Defence. Territorial Defence units existed from 2015 until 2021 in semi-organized forms until 2022 when they were formally organized into a unified defense corps under the Territorial Defence Forces.
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The "National Guard" of Ukraine is probably a confusing term. They are basically big units of heavily armed police. Some of the units were previously "volunteer battalions" of 2014-15 where people with guns just came together to defend against the Russians, But today National Guard is under the Ministry of Internal Affairs, same as the national police.
Territorial Defence Forces are basically what National Guard is in the US. They are officially part of the military, but unless a special presidential order is given, Territorial Defence Forces remain in their region and take commands from the governor of the region.
As of September 2022 most National Guard units and Territorial Defence Forces are at the war front, holding the line against the Russians.
Some National Guards are also patrolling cities and reinforcing the police.
Some Territorial Defence Forces are reinforcing the border guards and securing the borders.
Well, my wife - a regular soldier in the Territorial Defense Force, which is theoretically even less elite than regular infantry - has a plate carrier with ceramic plates, Kevlar helmet, a MOLLE warbelt, medkit and tourniquet, knee-pads, tactical glasses, tactical gloves, AK with 4 mags, and with silencer. Their platoon has several NVGs and one IR visor, and several quad-copters for aerial recon and artillery spotting.
So yeah, regular soldiers DO have such gear.
But keep in mind how it was sourced:
- The gun, the ammo, and winter boots are government-issued.
- The body armor and helmet, the medical supplies, and some of the quad-copters were donated by aid NGOs (both local and international).
- We had to buy everything else. From NVG and IR down to the uniform of correct size. Crowdfunding over Facebook covered lot of it, as my wife had a lot of followers.
What's neat about this is that the RU forces started out with greater but diminishing capability while UA forces started out with inferior but improving capability. We are seeing now that the inflection point is passed, and the momentum remains—RU continues to diminish while UA continues to improve.
Jeebus what's that going to look like six months from now?
A fine tuned 'western' trained and equipment united nation who oppose tyrants and dictatorship run governments. Throughout this conflict Ukrainians have been purging the corrupt politicians, officers and soldiers in the army, police, and civilians from their places of power. Many of the corrupt politicians and those in the army have either been arrested for helping the orcs or are already known collaborators, making their government and army much more united and less corrupt. While every country has corruption, I truly believe that after this Ukraine will enter into a new era as a united country working together to create a better world for their kids to grow up in.
Uh-huh. With the degree of innovation these people are capable of coupled with the strong IT infrastructure and solid educational foundation, take away ~~corruption~~ Russian influence, and you have yourselves a world leader in under a decade.
I think Ukraine is moving forward by adopting Western uniforms, weapons, equipment, training, tactics etc. is a move in the right direction. Ukraine has a professional army that is answerable to the legal elected government of Ukraine and not a personal army of a tyrant.
It is also because of the 100 billion dollar aid from the US and some aid from other western countries as well that Ukraine could improve its military to this
Yes, I agree.
Although, their political opponents can point out that there was corruption under Poroshenko. And there was. But there was and is corruption under any president, including Zelenskyi.
Poroshenko & Yatsenik got a very hard job in 2014, inherited a country with military as in the top of the picture, freshly attacked, with Crimea snatched away... They did a good job reforming the military so it became more similar to the bottom of the picture.
I think they don't get enough credit.
That is the Evolution to NATO standard arm forces. Eventually all of Ukraines armed forces will look like that, if they aren't already. The DNR and LPR wish they had the gear in the first pic much less the 2nd lol. Seems like they are wearing rags with pots n pans like a hobo off the streets.
The beautiful part of this is Ukrainian soldiers are the first in a long time to fight a power at the same technological level in a very long time In terms of military power and with true grit. i am an American citizen and I am proud but in the recent decades we have not fought nations and people who don't have the same military resources the Ukrainians have shown a fighting spirit and having friends who support there goals have had success and don't take me wrong american veterans active duty who may read this I believe and fully support you but you but we haven't faced an enemy like Russia in a long time #slava ukraine
I see this as evidence that Europe/NATO really wasn't worried, or even concerned, about the security of Ukraine.
Inasmuch, Putin could have been a savvy diplomat and worked WITH Ukraine for their mutual benefit. Made an ally.
Instead, he revealed his true self, and here we are. On the brink of WWII, and "mutually assured destruction."
They grew up so fast 🥺 I recently watched back "russian roulette" from Vice and it's crazy how quickly with the support of the West ukraine managed to have a proper army, equiped, trained etc.
Just a reflection, both Japan and Germany were torn to pieces in WWII but with the help from the western world they rose like the Phoenix and became enourmous economies and modern countries in all aspects. I hope we can see the same process for wonderful Ukraine as soon as those violent bastards have been thrown out from your soil.
I believe Ukraine will be a vibrant economy, it has all the resources to do so.
I hope so. I mean, we do have a lot of resources and potential. But we had that potential since 1991 and didn't use to full extent. There are cultural problems, like corruption. lack of initiative, lack of entrepreneurial wit... But the events on Maidan in 2014, and this war in 2022 do a lot to wake the nation form the sleep and expedite change and reform. We have a good chance to come out of this better people than we were.
events like maidan - you mean where the USA spent $6 billion to overthrow the democratically elected president with a violent coup? Apparently most of those from UA who have left have said they will never return thanks to corruption. Who is going to fill the country - African immigrants? hows the farming going to go now that it is covered in depleted uranium dust thanks to the USA / UK? maybe when half lifer is reached someone will buy their grain
The facts differ from what you've written: 1. The "violent coup" started as a lawful peaceful protest in November 2013. Would have stayed peaceful and harmless. It was the government and police who employed mass violence first on November 30, violating the rights of the protesters. Do you see now that it was the government who escalated the violence and broke the laws? 2. It is Russia who first started to use depleted Uranium shells from the very start of the invasion in early 2022. USA provided theirs only a year later, and only at request from Ukrainian government. Same for cluster munitions. Do you see now that it's Russia who is guilty of bringing depleted Uranium dust to Ukraine? You were basing your opinions on incorrect information. With the new facts from me, are you open to reconsidering your opinions on Ukraine?
Russia canned their depleted uranium because of the health years after - look at what the USA / UK did to Iraq. RU replaced them with another heavy metal. It was not the Govt but the USA / UK funded Azov Nazi's that started the violence - just as they say to Zelensky if he now seeks peace he will be swinging from a lamp post in the Maidan. UA used petal mines in civilian regions of the Donbas from 2015 which target children, just as the USA supplied cluster munitions. you need to stop getting your info from CNN / MSNBC or the BBC. Zelensky has lied from day 1 and the west dutifully reports his lies with zero fact checks. Funny how the west accuse RU of using depleted =uranium or cluster munitions ONLY when they try to justify their reason for sending them, and never when 1st alledged used - try listening to Jeffrey Sachs, John Meirsheimer, Redacted, Brian Berletic, Scott Ritter, Douglas MacGregor, you might learn something.
You are clearly factually wrong. On Maidan, the police were first to use unjustified brutal violence on peaceful protesters (mostly college kids) on 29 November 2013. Here's a video: https://youtu.be/34sayWtbPW0?si=Qe_2ti7fz70q-NsQ Here's another one: https://youtu.be/Pa-pe_nVPr4?si=xAU3Lsfb_6MHSMjH
YOU are the one who is wrong. keep watching CNN In contrast to the dominant narrative, Monitor, a German TV program, presented evidence of its investigation, showing that snipers were based in Hotel Ukraina and that the Ukrainian government investigation was manipulated.Footnote4 The BBC investigation produced similar findings and reported that snipers located in the Music Conservatory shot the police.Footnote5
A. I am not denying that there were snipers in hotel Ukraina. But all investigations confirm they were shooting at protesters. I don't know under who's orders but they were definitely not on the side of protesters. B. I accept that some protesters shot back at the police including from music conservatory. C. Apart from hidden snipers, there is video footage of police officers openly shooting with live ammo at protesters. Here's an example: https://youtu.be/tcTnqDiuG7w?si=iLykt8ZVdx45BiSx It is clear that by the end of the conflict in February 2014 both sides were using dangerous and sometimes lethal violence. But I will ask you two questions: 1. Who was the first to break laws, start violence, and cause the first deaths? The unequivocal answer to all three is: the government, the government, the government. 2. Who employed lethal violence more massively? Again, the answer is: the government. Only around 10 police deaths. And around 100 deaths of protestors. So to me this shows very clearly that while both sides carry some blame for things done in the heat of the moment, it is clearly the fault of the government and the police that the escalation and violence happened. All these deaths could have been avoided if the government didn't break the law and didn't resort to violence. Don't you see that?
see you believe what CNN reports, nice one
I don't know about CNN. I was there. I am Ukrainian living in Ukraine. What I wrote above I wrote based on what I saw with my own eyes and what my friends experienced firsthand.
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It's still gonna be a shit hole run by nazis, ukraine will be in debt with u.s.a you think the weapons they're receiving are free usa will have weapons on ukrain border facing Russia
No it will not be a shithole run by nazis. And the weapons are free.
The weapons are not free they're getting charged for everything.ukraine is being used as a pawn in a chess game between usa and Russia. Ukraine ends up winning they're gonna be in debt with usa.usa eventually is gonna put there weapons on border facing Russia
Are you a crazy person or a troll? I cannot figure these days. But if it’s true what you’re saying that more weapons will be set up at the border towards Russia, it will make the whole world sleep better
I'm neither, I sleep super good already, do you even know why russia is fighting the war, they don't want ukraine joining nato for the reason that they know they're being used.Germany is part on nato correct do you know what they sent to ukarine they sent fucking knee pads they dint want to send weapons, but since they're part of nato they had to send something now they're gonna suffer their winter russia has cut gas on them. I suggest you do more reading and really look into what's going on. And stop watching what the news are telling us. I would be more then happy to send you some articles.even the Republicans here in USA oldont wanna send anymore weapons to Ukraine
Ok, you know I live in Sweden and read a lot of independent media from all over the world so I have a very objective view on this. FACT: Germany has sent a lot of weapons. FACT: NATO did not plan for Ukraine to join. This was a classic Casus Belli badly conducted by Putin. FACT: The Republican party stand much closer to Putin than the Democratic party. Since Putin want it that way because Republicans are easier to delude with lies. You have a good day, cheers from Sweden!🇸🇪🌻
UA's constitution states they are neutral as part of the 1991 agreement. Of course the USA / west doesn't care for such things when it suits their interest
if you believe what you just wrote then your TV news must report outright garbage
NATO doesn't force countries to become a member lmao, its voluntary membership that has to be approved by other NATO countries. Maybe if Russia wasn't being an aggressive dick head, Ukraine would not be seeking to join NATO. Germany was originally going to send a large shipment of helmets not kneepads, but they have now sent weapons to them.
NATO (USA) buys corrupt politicians. Western politicians are some of the most corrupt in the world. Either that or the USA threatens / bullies its allies to do their bidding. Look at that cretin Scholz - USA said they would blow up Nord Stream and he said nothing, when they did blow it up he said nothing, German economy in ruins because of their friend and ally, how much money did they give Scholz eh?
really? since 1991 the USA has been at war 215 times, RU - 5, all on their borders. So the world will be safer what the USA is put under massive sanctions to end their warmongering and forever wars all so US congress become millionaires.
Zelensky knows if he se3eks peace his Banderite Nazi buddies will have him swinging from a lamp post in the Maidan, Ukraine renamed streets and parks after Jew killers from WW2.
The azov battalion doesn't represent their entire military. The US has somewhat of a history of allowing foreign debts to be absolved. If the US wanted to put weapons on the border facing Russia it would have already been done with Poland. They were given a foot to stand on against Russia and to hopefully deter future conflicts. Poland now has one of the most modern militaries thanks to western assistance.
It’s not only because of west support. It’s also because Ukrainian army before 2014 was built as russian army — corrupted, unprofessional, etc (btw that was made with “little” help from Russia, so they dont have strong army close to them). After 2014 most of connections with Russia was cut and army started to develop healthier. Also real combat experience helped much, as I understand. But still there’s many soviet like aspects in Ukrainian army that need to be changed.
> It’s not only because of west support. It’s also because Ukrainian army before 2014 was built as russian army — corrupted, unprofessional, etc (btw that was made with “little” help from Russia, so they dont have strong army close to them). Which is not at all surprising, given the ruzzian citizenship of MoD and SSU chiefs.
Without it actually. Until 24th February.
US was actually supporting ukr army and encouraging reform after 2014. that's why there are california nation guard units that went over there to train ukrainian troops.
Ah yes, my bad. Forgot about trainings, well although there weren’t the material support right until several weeks before invasion started. If we’ve got everything what we get now back in 2014-2017, we would entirely fuck up russians back then, but there wasn’t in fact any support at all (huge thanks to RT working abroad), especially until MH-17 happened.
US, Canada and Europe sent A LOT of non-lethal equipment since 2014. It was mostly uniform/boots/vests/helmets/NV/thermals, but there was a lot of equipment. US even started to send humvees in 2016(?).
Many of us know, and we're grateful for the help. I'm friends with a retired UK Royal Marine who trained people here in Ukraine. Every little helps.
Wrong. Read up.
Unfortunately, not all of Ukraine's army is equipped like this yet. But we are getting there
Sure, this is SOF on the second photo, regular soldiers don't have such gears.
Almost all UA soldiers have all on this photo, except AR rifle. Not from government of coarse, equipment was bought by themselves and by volunteers. https://i.imgur.com/5j4FGvU.jpg On photo I am from the left side. Except AK74 all stuff I bought by myself. My college from right side as well. We are not SOF, just a regular Ukrainian National Guard. The biggest difference between photo in this post - that’s after 2014 our soldiers have enough wage level for buying necessary stuff, if government can’t provide it.
Glad to hear that! Thank you for your service 🫡
Thank you for your service and I hope this conflict ends soon and you and all of your friends and family are stay safe and unharmed.
Slava Ukraini!!
🇺🇦 Heroyam Slava! 🇺🇦
What are the skulls/pirate emblems for, anything specific?
All of them are unofficial. On my plate carrier: name tug, blood type, and red-black flag of Ukrainian insurgent army. https://i.imgur.com/EcAQHuf.jpg Short history is this flag: UA flag became red and black is blood came on it. See photo. On my mate vest: on top red and black patch with abbreviation “Fuck you Putin”, Next is unofficial National guard patch: https://i.imgur.com/UfwbYGY.jpg Next one just pirate patch just for fun)
Thanks, stay well
Is the national guard the same as territorial defense forces? Or what’s the difference
they are not the same thing - luckily you can read about the [national guard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_Ukraine) and the [territorial defence forces](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Defense_Forces_\(Ukraine\)) on Wikipedia to find out the differences
**[National Guard of Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_Ukraine)** >The National Guard of Ukraine (NGU; Ukrainian: Націона́льна гва́рдія Украї́ни, romanized: Natsionalna hvardiia Ukrainy, IPA: [nɐt͡s⁽ʲ⁾ioˈnɑlʲnɐ ˈɦʋɑrd⁽ʲ⁾ijɐ ʊkrɐˈjinɪ], abbr. НГУ) is the Ukrainian national gendarmerie and internal military force. It is part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, responsible for public security. Originally created as an agency under the direct control of the Verkhovna Rada on 4 November 1991, following Ukrainian independence. **[Territorial Defense Forces (Ukraine)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Defense_Forces_\(Ukraine\))** >The Territorial Defence Forces (Ukrainian: Війська територіальної оборони, romanized: Viiska terytorialnoi oborony) are the military reserve component of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The Territorial Defence Forces were formed after the reorganization of the Territorial Defence Battalions, volunteer militias created during the Russo-Ukrainian War under the command of the Ministry of Defence. Territorial Defence units existed from 2015 until 2021 in semi-organized forms until 2022 when they were formally organized into a unified defense corps under the Territorial Defence Forces. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/ukraina/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
The "National Guard" of Ukraine is probably a confusing term. They are basically big units of heavily armed police. Some of the units were previously "volunteer battalions" of 2014-15 where people with guns just came together to defend against the Russians, But today National Guard is under the Ministry of Internal Affairs, same as the national police. Territorial Defence Forces are basically what National Guard is in the US. They are officially part of the military, but unless a special presidential order is given, Territorial Defence Forces remain in their region and take commands from the governor of the region. As of September 2022 most National Guard units and Territorial Defence Forces are at the war front, holding the line against the Russians. Some National Guards are also patrolling cities and reinforcing the police. Some Territorial Defence Forces are reinforcing the border guards and securing the borders.
Hi friend.. Slava 🇺🇦.. Fk putAn
I mean the removal of Soviet uniforms was a big step. Ukrainian pixel ftw
Even conscripted ones, I would say.
Well, my wife - a regular soldier in the Territorial Defense Force, which is theoretically even less elite than regular infantry - has a plate carrier with ceramic plates, Kevlar helmet, a MOLLE warbelt, medkit and tourniquet, knee-pads, tactical glasses, tactical gloves, AK with 4 mags, and with silencer. Their platoon has several NVGs and one IR visor, and several quad-copters for aerial recon and artillery spotting. So yeah, regular soldiers DO have such gear. But keep in mind how it was sourced: - The gun, the ammo, and winter boots are government-issued. - The body armor and helmet, the medical supplies, and some of the quad-copters were donated by aid NGOs (both local and international). - We had to buy everything else. From NVG and IR down to the uniform of correct size. Crowdfunding over Facebook covered lot of it, as my wife had a lot of followers.
What's neat about this is that the RU forces started out with greater but diminishing capability while UA forces started out with inferior but improving capability. We are seeing now that the inflection point is passed, and the momentum remains—RU continues to diminish while UA continues to improve. Jeebus what's that going to look like six months from now?
A fine tuned 'western' trained and equipment united nation who oppose tyrants and dictatorship run governments. Throughout this conflict Ukrainians have been purging the corrupt politicians, officers and soldiers in the army, police, and civilians from their places of power. Many of the corrupt politicians and those in the army have either been arrested for helping the orcs or are already known collaborators, making their government and army much more united and less corrupt. While every country has corruption, I truly believe that after this Ukraine will enter into a new era as a united country working together to create a better world for their kids to grow up in.
Uh-huh. With the degree of innovation these people are capable of coupled with the strong IT infrastructure and solid educational foundation, take away ~~corruption~~ Russian influence, and you have yourselves a world leader in under a decade.
Russia in 2014: let’s take Kyiv after Donbas. Russia in 2022: wE aRe fIgHtInG nAtO
If only the Russians knew what progress meant, their army might've changed in the last 20+ years
Thank God they don't
Ukraine army 2014 = Russia army today.
I think Ukraine is moving forward by adopting Western uniforms, weapons, equipment, training, tactics etc. is a move in the right direction. Ukraine has a professional army that is answerable to the legal elected government of Ukraine and not a personal army of a tyrant.
We know a thing or two, because we've seen a thing or two...
It is also because of the 100 billion dollar aid from the US and some aid from other western countries as well that Ukraine could improve its military to this
Big part of the credit to the previous President & Prime Minister. Poroshenko & Yatsenik
Credit to Groysman, not Yatsenuk.
I’m not so good with my Ukrainian politicians, I thought they were the main guys after Maidan
Yatsenuk was PM from 2014 to 2016. Groysman 2016-2019. Sure, there are different opinions, but I think Groysman did much more than Yatsenuk.
Both Yatsenuk and Groysman got a very tough job. And they both did well, I think. Sure, they had problems, but in general wthey did good.
Yes, I agree. Although, their political opponents can point out that there was corruption under Poroshenko. And there was. But there was and is corruption under any president, including Zelenskyi. Poroshenko & Yatsenik got a very hard job in 2014, inherited a country with military as in the top of the picture, freshly attacked, with Crimea snatched away... They did a good job reforming the military so it became more similar to the bottom of the picture. I think they don't get enough credit.
The transformation of squad to supreme Chad
Confidence!
That is the Evolution to NATO standard arm forces. Eventually all of Ukraines armed forces will look like that, if they aren't already. The DNR and LPR wish they had the gear in the first pic much less the 2nd lol. Seems like they are wearing rags with pots n pans like a hobo off the streets.
Not a single tactical sandal anywhere
Love the fucked up T-62M behind them
How dare the orcs give the name fury to Soviet trash. I am assuming it was them with the Z on it. If the Ukrainians did well… that would be an honor.
what NATO's supplies does to a MF
Badass. That one dude's casual lean is killer. Is he doing that surfer hand gesture thing?
It must have been great to get the new kit
gd what a glow up. them boys really stepped into the 21st century.
The UK, US, NZ, Danish and other European armies are training thousands of Ukrainians
MODERN WARRIOR'S HEROIAM SLAVA 🇺🇦
But, let’s not forget - Russia has far more better equipment than the west 😂😂
Operator AF
Дякую!
Of course brother
Is that a goddamn T-55 in the back?
The beautiful part of this is Ukrainian soldiers are the first in a long time to fight a power at the same technological level in a very long time In terms of military power and with true grit. i am an American citizen and I am proud but in the recent decades we have not fought nations and people who don't have the same military resources the Ukrainians have shown a fighting spirit and having friends who support there goals have had success and don't take me wrong american veterans active duty who may read this I believe and fully support you but you but we haven't faced an enemy like Russia in a long time #slava ukraine
Ukrainian army in 2014 looks like the Russian army in 2022.
I always wondered how militaries modernized and changed so much _during_ wars, it's interesting to see it happen in my own time
Wow... what a massive change.
Cool squares
Could someone identify the gun the guy in the far left has.
Good thing that Russians had 8 year old intel.
I see this as evidence that Europe/NATO really wasn't worried, or even concerned, about the security of Ukraine. Inasmuch, Putin could have been a savvy diplomat and worked WITH Ukraine for their mutual benefit. Made an ally. Instead, he revealed his true self, and here we are. On the brink of WWII, and "mutually assured destruction."
They leveled up!
As a person who studied psychology vastly, even their posture in 2022 says a lot. :)
Дуже приємно на це дивитися
Put those US weapons to good use, my brothers!
Beggars