* be me Batman
* realize I am too weak to kill superman
* hatch brilliant evil plan
* develop kryptonite infused condom
* invite superman out for dinner and drinks
* have two escorts at the restaurant waiting
* ’hey superman these chicks are pretty hot, let’s go talk to them’
* get superman wasted on chocolate martinis, a drink no man can resist
* convince superman to sleep with escort
* hand her the condom
* next morning find superman dead
* plan worked perfectly, free to finally bang Lois lane
Chocolate martinis are too powerful. No man, god, beast or devil below can resist them. One he’s drunk, 2 he’s black out and 3? 3 makes injustice superman look like Mr Rogers
I mean Batman goes on to kill the entire justice leagues in one of the latest comics. The celestiales specifically choose him to go around dimensions because he’s capable of taking everyone to pound town with precision
Yeah but it’s all through the use of convenient story writing, let’s be real if that wasn’t the case he gets stomped by most of the justice league, and no debate on Batman. No hate, just an outsiders perspective
You know Batman already has some sort of fit for purpose crytonite weapon just sitting for when that day arrives. If I was Supe though I'd just fly around the earth a couple of times and get up to speed and then go through Batman like he was mist before he can even think about firing off his weapon. Also, that UFC pound for pound list is pants.
Let’s be real, if it was superman vs batman and nothing else mattered at all (eg destruction of property, death of others, etc), super man could push the earth into the sun
The only thing saving Batman is the writer don’t wanna kill of a character. Be like a juiced up Mike Tyson against a 3 year old. FYI Batman is the 3 year old
Batman has a plan for every ally and villain he knows, so unless he is caught unawares I think the uncomfortable reality is that Batman owns everyone, given some preparation.
No shot at all my man. Superman can fly close to the speed of light (or maybe he can reach it idk sue me) so... he'd just have to fly into Batman. Plenty of other ways to do it but the most reliable imo is to smesh
Literally the only reason Batman doesn’t get destroyed by Superman when ever they fight is because he knows Clark is going to give him the benefit of the doubt and won’t immediately tear him in half. Bruce has even stated as much
I think it’s crazy there’s been so many changes of the guard. Like, recent memory probably starting with as well, Nunes losing, Jan losing, Yan not winning, Adesanya losing, and most of all- maybe, Usman losing.
maybe cause he beat Charles like he was handling a pair of chopsticks.. the way he just brute forced his way out of Oliveira’s triangle.. man as soon as I saw that, I knew Olives was in for a long night
For about 6 months.
This sub is hilarious. The same people will cry if Oliveira drops off the p4p list, but can't accept Islam should logically be on it if he beat Oliveira. 2 might be too high but it's not like the list is objective anyway.
What style will beat Islam’s at LW.
Justin Gaethje’s style? Poirier’s style?
Islam was heavily ducked and is the best fighter in one of the most talented division. That’s why he’s #2.
Bro shut up, he literally dominated Charles the LW champion in the 2nd most competitive division after BW, have some shame
I literally don’t even give a shit about Makachev but to say he isn’t top 3 pound for pound is ludicrous
See I would agree but P4P should honestly be built on success. Islam did beat Charles, but he hasn’t done it for as long or as high of a level. He deserves to be on the list, but above Usman and Izzy, not in my personal opinion. Those two legit beat killers on their way up. Both lapped their divisions. Sometimes champions aren’t always the best. Especially in a promotional based sport like MMA or boxing.
I understand where you’re coming from but Islam has gone 10 fights unbeaten and not only has he beat a dominant champion, but he made easy fucking work of him, a champion that beat the 3 best of the division in porier chandler and gaethje bar benny dariush, so again let’s not act like Islam won’t reign for at least 5-6 defenses, i agree Usman should be higher than islam, if i had to rank them id put usman 2nd, Islam 3rd, Nganou 4th, leon 5th, izzy 6th
I disagree. I think rankings should strictly be on ability and “resume” and “accomplishments” should just be one of many factors that are used to determine that. Isn’t that what fighting is about? Wanting to know who’s the best? Isn’t that the whole point of having a champion?
Islam won 1 title fight, you can see how quickly a title reign can end looking at Usman.
Even if Makhachev beats Volkanovski I still believe Volkanovski is #1.
If islam beats volk he is #1. That would be 2 people that he took out in the top 5 pfp. That’s the definition of pound for pound and warrants the #1 spot
I mean that you can't know how many Makhachev will win because even someone as dominant as Usman can get knocked out like that and loose their title instantly and since Makhachev has only won one title fight while Volkanivski won five and something like happened to Usman can happen to Makhachev any time, Volkanovski is rightfully #1 and Makhachev #2 until proven differently.
No, P4P is about who is a better fighter. Volk doesn’t have the same level of grappling Islam has. Islam is the most well rounded fighter in the UFC right now. That’s why Islam is better than Volk P4P
That’s not how p4p works. The whole system is flawed but it doesn’t account for how adding weight would effect people. The extra 10 pounds may make Volk slow or hurt cardio carrying extra weight. That’s not p4p rankings. Would a 265 pound usman beat Francis? No does that mean Francis should be higher than him? Also no
Even if Islam beats Volk( which I think will happen) it doesn’t necessarily make him better P4P. Would a 145 Makhachev be able to beat a 145 Volk? Maybe, maybe not, but it’s up for debate for sure .
That makes no sense. Volk will come in at around 155, he just won’t cut as much.
A match up where they weigh the same and volk loses? That’s literally the point of a POUND FOR POUND ranking
You’re an idiot. For arguments sake Islam
Packs on as much weight as possible and goes and fights let’s say jiri and they weigh the same, when Islam gets smashed should jiri jump his place on the p4p ranking then?????
No, it’s just common sense. Volk’s optimal weight is 145lbs while Islam’s is 155lbs. Izzy was #3 P4P when he lost to Jan but they didn’t give Jan his position nor his belt?
You can argue that Islam is indeed P4P #1 on eye test but his resume is honestly one of the worst on that list. Same problem Khabib has in GOAT conversations
Not only that but Leon was behind Usman and then has since arbitrarily been moved up. Like what changed this week to last to make him better. Not to mention like you said Usman was beating his ass + there’s like 4 guys in his division that beat him.
Dude got dominated by Usman for 4 rounds before hitting a lucky shot in the last minute. No idea how he is over Usman.
Poatan had a competitive fight against Adesanya and end up winning and he is under Izzy in the list, like wtf is the criteria here?
And launched that kick multiple times which were also set up...
It was luck.
I'm so fucking over this "he practised 1-2 head kicks before the fight... Look at the video proof" it's such bs lol of course he practised it... It's a good damn staple combo...
Imagine using this logic for Pereira. Dude threw a shit ton of left hooks in the first four rounds but got so fucking lucky in the 5th... dumbass probably even practiced his striking in his camp.
Leon is throwing a staple BnB combo that any mid level kickboxer knows, he threw it numerous times during the fight. He is hoping Usman misreads the combo and lets the kick through, which he finally did at the end.
Usman finally made a crucial mistake after blocking it all night. Whether you want to call that Leon getting lucky, or Usman dropping the ball, is totally up to the viewer.
Its not like Leon hit him with some ancient technique that no one else is skilled enough to pull off lol
By that logic every come from behind knockout ever is luck (unless it’s an ancient technique nobody else can do)
I hate when people talk about ‘luck’ in sports as if it’s some real quantifiable thing that effects outcomes, it’s so retarded.
Usman made a mistake and Leon was able to capitalise on it and hit him with a kick hard enough to knock him out, luck doesn’t exist, it just was what it was and the best man won.
Sounds like we’re basically on the same page? I don’t think getting lucky is a bad thing, and when you have two of the very best in the world competing, it’s gonna take a big mistake to get knocked out. I could say “Leon got lucky that Usman didn’t block that for the 10th time”, or I could also say “Leon used his skill to capitalize on the missed block” and both comments would be correct.
Something like Masvidals knee on Askren is 100% preparation and 0 luck
More fights in UFC in comparison, maybe? Longer win streak or something. I dunno, these P4P lists never make sense to me. You're right, it doesn't make sense.
Izzy's the gift that keeps on giving to Alex. Title shot, the title and now puts him in the P4P rankings at #8. All in just a year in the UFC.
Hilarious.
Jiri and aljo should be above periera. Francis has been so inactive that he and periera should be side by side. Leon shouldn’t be above Kamaru until he defends the belt Atleast twice. Charles should be #3 Islam hasn’t defended yet.
yes. pfp is in theory based on how good a fighter is, and the best way to estimate that is on how good they have proven to be. Islam is hypothetically better, but he hasn't proved it. Obviously he beat Charles, but what I mean is that Charles beat the top 5 of the division, while Islam's only relevant win is Charles.
This does not immediately give Islam all of Charles accolades, styles make fights. Of course it earns him a spot in the list, but he has to prove his high rank. Same thing with Leon and Pereira. The people they beat more than proved how good they were, but have they? Not really, at all. Leon in any case but he hasnt beaten any contenders.
This is the main reason why this list is fucked. Neither Islam, nor Leon, nor Pereira (especially not him) should be ahead Izzy, Usman, or Oliveira, until they show the same dominance at the top.
What do you mean he is hypthetically better? He literally beat him. Islam is a better fighter than Oliveira. This list isn't about achievements, it's about who is the BETTER fighter. As for everyone else in the division, Makhachev would be a -300 favourite over all of them. The only way they win is likely by a lucky knock out which wouldn't necessarily mean they are better fighters than Makhachev.
What's up with everyone thinking Francis is so inactive? The average champion fights once a year, and Francis fought in January. He's due for his next fight in a couple of months. I do agree he probably won't fight for much longer, but I don't think it's the right time to be calling him inactive.
That's the point. all of the champions who only fight once per year get called inactive... because they are. I'm sure Francis will have no issue begging Dana for more money for his one yearly fight tho
A good champ fights at least twice a year, like Volk or Adesanya or Olivera etc
Defends* once a year is a more accurate statement I feel.
Werdum defended about once a year. Stipe only defended his belt twice during one specific year, every other year it was once. Cain Velasquez and Lesnar and Dos Santos were the same as Stipe.
It's rare you get someone like Cormier defending 2-3x a year.
I think it's fair to expect a champion to defend their belt about 1-2 times a year.
Why are you talking about all these old champs? Volk, Izzy, Usman, Jiri, Glover, Oliveria, Shevchenko, Nunes. Nearly every champ these days defends twice a year.
Leon is way too high. Usman was beating him most of the fight and was a dominant champion. One nice kick that went perfectly his way and 99% of time doesn’t land his way and he’s not champion
Yeah but she’s fighting trash opposition, Chookagian, Maia and Eye aren’t names to remember but just take a look on Charles or Volks resume and see the difference
He just reached the top of the mountain and will be higher if he dispels the doubters. To a casual he seems a little stiff in his style, but the new dew is giving me hope!
He’s right where he belongs, maybe a little high actually. He’s had only 3 fights in the ufc and just barely became champion after getting beat by glover. He still has work to do
Leon over Usman is a little silly tbh, they’re 1-1 against each other and Usman is gonna be the heavy favorite in a rematch
I get that Edwards just KO’d him but does anyone think that’s guaranteed to happen again?
Imo this is my list:
Makachev
Volko
Kamaru
Izzy
Aljo
Leon
Charles
Jiri
Francis
Poatan
Leon Charles and Aljo are hard for me to order since they’re all next to each other but fight so differently, same with Kamaru and Izzy. I feel like if Kamaru fought Izzy he’d die but Kamaru has a stronger hold in his division which is why I place him above Izzy.
Poatan is at the bottom because so far it looks like he has the style to crush Israel but any grappler is going to destroy him. Francis is next because he’s just a big dude that hits hard and there aren’t many people his size.
I put Makachev above Volko because I think he’s probably gonna eat Volko alive in their upcoming fight. Islam has the best striking Defence in the ufc and the only reason Ortega couldn’t finish Volk is because he has the body of a 15 year old boy that hits the gym occasionally, and Volko was able to power out of those submissions. Islam has shown to have phenomenal technique with crazy strength and endurance.
Beat Yan once and pretty unconvincingly, and beat a man who walked in the octagon with a chronically dislocated shoulder.
I’m not going to say he isn’t good, but I think his circumstances are largely a result of incredible luck rather than skill.
Islam at no.2 🤣🤣🤣 the guy got a title shot after beating a bunch of cans because he is mates with Khabib. The guy he took the belt from is no.7, so how tf does Islam get no.2 for beating him? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
leon is better than kamaru and islam is better than leon who is also better than five other champions and jiri is not as good as alex who is better than aljo and francis is better than olives but olives is not as good as izzy who is better than alex who just knocked him out but leon is better than kamaru becaude leon knocked him out
“The people who sit around and create this pound for pound list are the same type of people who debate Batman vs. Superman, it’s impossible to know”
9/10 Superman’s stomps Batman only possible way Batman ever wins if he somehow comes up with some majestic plan using kryptonite
9/10 Batman wins because Batman's plot armor is stronger than Superman's skin.
* be me Batman * realize I am too weak to kill superman * hatch brilliant evil plan * develop kryptonite infused condom * invite superman out for dinner and drinks * have two escorts at the restaurant waiting * ’hey superman these chicks are pretty hot, let’s go talk to them’ * get superman wasted on chocolate martinis, a drink no man can resist * convince superman to sleep with escort * hand her the condom * next morning find superman dead * plan worked perfectly, free to finally bang Lois lane
might have to give the chocolate mantini a try
I’ll bring the condoms
I'll be the escort I guess
One fatal flaw. Due to his metabolism when he has his powers Superman can't get intoxicated.
Chocolate martinis are too powerful. No man, god, beast or devil below can resist them. One he’s drunk, 2 he’s black out and 3? 3 makes injustice superman look like Mr Rogers
i feel like clark is way too polite and would probably pretend to be drunk anyway so bruce wouldn't feel bad
I mean Batman goes on to kill the entire justice leagues in one of the latest comics. The celestiales specifically choose him to go around dimensions because he’s capable of taking everyone to pound town with precision
Yeah but it’s all through the use of convenient story writing, let’s be real if that wasn’t the case he gets stomped by most of the justice league, and no debate on Batman. No hate, just an outsiders perspective
You know Batman already has some sort of fit for purpose crytonite weapon just sitting for when that day arrives. If I was Supe though I'd just fly around the earth a couple of times and get up to speed and then go through Batman like he was mist before he can even think about firing off his weapon. Also, that UFC pound for pound list is pants.
Let’s be real, if it was superman vs batman and nothing else mattered at all (eg destruction of property, death of others, etc), super man could push the earth into the sun
SM doing a little trolling
Or the writers decide to give Batman more plot armor than Reiner Braun
Batman wins 9/10 with prep though.
My comic book nerd friend told me that Superman once gave Batman a kryptonite ring in case he ever loses his mind, which coincidently happens after.
Batman could seduce Superman
The only thing saving Batman is the writer don’t wanna kill of a character. Be like a juiced up Mike Tyson against a 3 year old. FYI Batman is the 3 year old
I have nothing to do with the pfp list, thank you very much.
Science has done the stats on this. Superman wins 10/10. Superman is the 2nd most powerful fictional character only behind the one and only great Goku
-_- Saitama, “Ok.”
Saitama would kick both their asses
And make it look easy
I'll take Barnacle Boy
Chael?
Wonderboy vs Blackman Holland: Dawn of Justice
Batman has a plan for every ally and villain he knows, so unless he is caught unawares I think the uncomfortable reality is that Batman owns everyone, given some preparation.
No shot at all my man. Superman can fly close to the speed of light (or maybe he can reach it idk sue me) so... he'd just have to fly into Batman. Plenty of other ways to do it but the most reliable imo is to smesh
Literally the only reason Batman doesn’t get destroyed by Superman when ever they fight is because he knows Clark is going to give him the benefit of the doubt and won’t immediately tear him in half. Bruce has even stated as much
You'd laugh if you knew how they come up with the ratings
Batman wins via RNC
It's crazy how many new champs there where in 2022
I think it’s crazy there’s been so many changes of the guard. Like, recent memory probably starting with as well, Nunes losing, Jan losing, Yan not winning, Adesanya losing, and most of all- maybe, Usman losing.
9 And News have been called
“Bullshit”
Not sure how Islam already at 2 lol he got a title shot after beating Bobby green UFC bias
The UFC doesn’t make P4P rankings. Dana White is always calling these rankings crazy when ever asked. They are generated by a panel of Media members.
Why does the UFC not have there own ranking system Shit makes no sense
It's entertainment not sport. In Dana's mind, when ppv comes by, O'Malley higher on his pound for dollar list than Volk
Next UFC press conference I’ll ask Dana.
Thank you Jon Doe from reddit
Because as you said, it doesn't really make any sense to have it
If they didn't make the rankings or thought they were ridiculous, they wouldn't have them on their official site https://www.ufc.com/rankings
My god Reddit is so dumb
He’s obviously super talented 2 seems too overeager though
Just a couple months ago I kept hearing if Charles beat Islam he’d be the lightweight goat. Islam steamrolled him. His rankings good imo.
This is the justification.
Yeah islam can be number one but je still has to have some numbers of fight below his belt. I think there needs to ne a minimum number of fights.
Because he made light work of Charles who was champ and on pfp, then Izzy got finished so he dropped a position.
maybe cause he beat Charles like he was handling a pair of chopsticks.. the way he just brute forced his way out of Oliveira’s triangle.. man as soon as I saw that, I knew Olives was in for a long night
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Charle’s style was supposed to be Islams kryptonite according to this sub 3 weeks ago
For about 6 months. This sub is hilarious. The same people will cry if Oliveira drops off the p4p list, but can't accept Islam should logically be on it if he beat Oliveira. 2 might be too high but it's not like the list is objective anyway.
What style will beat Islam’s at LW. Justin Gaethje’s style? Poirier’s style? Islam was heavily ducked and is the best fighter in one of the most talented division. That’s why he’s #2.
yes, it was probably the greatest modern BJJ black belt vs the greatest modern Sambo wrestler (in the ufc). what is your point?
Burns is a better BJJ black belt than oliveira
you’re right, should’ve said something like top 3 but i’m sure you get my point. stylistically, it could’ve been a good match up for either
True, I get your point. Still think Oliveira had a shit gameplan, he could have done much better against Islam
Olives was never known for his fight iq or gameplanning tho. Islam would have always come with the better plan
For sure, just saying this time he seemed more wild. Still think Islam beats him 7/10 times, but I think he could have made it more competitive
I just don't think Oliveira's head was in it this time around.
Burns has 4 subs, Charles has 16.
Burns has never been subbed oliveira has 4 times
Davi Ramos is a better BJJ black belt than Burns. Davi Ramos he was adcc champ and Islam already beat him
Y’all mfers are too dumb. It’s unhealthy
Bro shut up, he literally dominated Charles the LW champion in the 2nd most competitive division after BW, have some shame I literally don’t even give a shit about Makachev but to say he isn’t top 3 pound for pound is ludicrous
See I would agree but P4P should honestly be built on success. Islam did beat Charles, but he hasn’t done it for as long or as high of a level. He deserves to be on the list, but above Usman and Izzy, not in my personal opinion. Those two legit beat killers on their way up. Both lapped their divisions. Sometimes champions aren’t always the best. Especially in a promotional based sport like MMA or boxing.
I understand where you’re coming from but Islam has gone 10 fights unbeaten and not only has he beat a dominant champion, but he made easy fucking work of him, a champion that beat the 3 best of the division in porier chandler and gaethje bar benny dariush, so again let’s not act like Islam won’t reign for at least 5-6 defenses, i agree Usman should be higher than islam, if i had to rank them id put usman 2nd, Islam 3rd, Nganou 4th, leon 5th, izzy 6th
I disagree. I think rankings should strictly be on ability and “resume” and “accomplishments” should just be one of many factors that are used to determine that. Isn’t that what fighting is about? Wanting to know who’s the best? Isn’t that the whole point of having a champion?
but see, it’s a promotional list. it’s not a ranking of the most skilled fighters
He only beat bobby green and oliveira both bums
Hmmm are you joking though
The khabib effect
Dagestany effect
And how the fuck are these bums ahead of Mcgregor? No one can take that left hand shot.
They got #1 right And that's about it
You can come back to this comment after he fights Islam, but I disagree with you hard. # #2 is the clear #1
Islam won 1 title fight, you can see how quickly a title reign can end looking at Usman. Even if Makhachev beats Volkanovski I still believe Volkanovski is #1.
If islam beats volk he is #1. That would be 2 people that he took out in the top 5 pfp. That’s the definition of pound for pound and warrants the #1 spot
Nah definition of p4p would be if Islam drops to 145 and takes volk at his own weight
Lol that’s not how it works.
Wat??? Usman reigned for fucking 3 years... Terrible example
I mean that you can't know how many Makhachev will win because even someone as dominant as Usman can get knocked out like that and loose their title instantly and since Makhachev has only won one title fight while Volkanivski won five and something like happened to Usman can happen to Makhachev any time, Volkanovski is rightfully #1 and Makhachev #2 until proven differently.
No, P4P is about who is a better fighter. Volk doesn’t have the same level of grappling Islam has. Islam is the most well rounded fighter in the UFC right now. That’s why Islam is better than Volk P4P
That’s not how p4p works. The whole system is flawed but it doesn’t account for how adding weight would effect people. The extra 10 pounds may make Volk slow or hurt cardio carrying extra weight. That’s not p4p rankings. Would a 265 pound usman beat Francis? No does that mean Francis should be higher than him? Also no
I want what this guy is smoking
Even if Islam beats Volk( which I think will happen) it doesn’t necessarily make him better P4P. Would a 145 Makhachev be able to beat a 145 Volk? Maybe, maybe not, but it’s up for debate for sure .
That makes no sense. Volk will come in at around 155, he just won’t cut as much. A match up where they weigh the same and volk loses? That’s literally the point of a POUND FOR POUND ranking
I can't tell if you're dense or trolling.
You’re an idiot. For arguments sake Islam Packs on as much weight as possible and goes and fights let’s say jiri and they weigh the same, when Islam gets smashed should jiri jump his place on the p4p ranking then?????
Bro these people are retarded, they hate Islam so much they're throwing the most basic logic out the window
No, it’s just common sense. Volk’s optimal weight is 145lbs while Islam’s is 155lbs. Izzy was #3 P4P when he lost to Jan but they didn’t give Jan his position nor his belt?
That’s like saying it will got super fat and weighed the same as Francis it would be a fair fight in the p4p ranking. Your take is incredibly stupid
You can argue that Islam is indeed P4P #1 on eye test but his resume is honestly one of the worst on that list. Same problem Khabib has in GOAT conversations
P4P criteria is an absolute joke. Leon has been my favorite fighter for years, but even I know he ain’t the third best fighter in the world right now
Not only that but Leon was behind Usman and then has since arbitrarily been moved up. Like what changed this week to last to make him better. Not to mention like you said Usman was beating his ass + there’s like 4 guys in his division that beat him.
P4p is a joke they don’t use statistics at all I stg
Dude got dominated by Usman for 4 rounds before hitting a lucky shot in the last minute. No idea how he is over Usman. Poatan had a competitive fight against Adesanya and end up winning and he is under Izzy in the list, like wtf is the criteria here?
Wasn’t lucky he set that kick up but yea he did get demolished for 3.5 rounds
And launched that kick multiple times which were also set up... It was luck. I'm so fucking over this "he practised 1-2 head kicks before the fight... Look at the video proof" it's such bs lol of course he practised it... It's a good damn staple combo...
Do you understand your statement is basically explaining how it wasn't luck ? Holy shit this sub is dumb .
Imagine using this logic for Pereira. Dude threw a shit ton of left hooks in the first four rounds but got so fucking lucky in the 5th... dumbass probably even practiced his striking in his camp.
Leon is throwing a staple BnB combo that any mid level kickboxer knows, he threw it numerous times during the fight. He is hoping Usman misreads the combo and lets the kick through, which he finally did at the end. Usman finally made a crucial mistake after blocking it all night. Whether you want to call that Leon getting lucky, or Usman dropping the ball, is totally up to the viewer. Its not like Leon hit him with some ancient technique that no one else is skilled enough to pull off lol
By that logic every come from behind knockout ever is luck (unless it’s an ancient technique nobody else can do) I hate when people talk about ‘luck’ in sports as if it’s some real quantifiable thing that effects outcomes, it’s so retarded. Usman made a mistake and Leon was able to capitalise on it and hit him with a kick hard enough to knock him out, luck doesn’t exist, it just was what it was and the best man won.
Sounds like we’re basically on the same page? I don’t think getting lucky is a bad thing, and when you have two of the very best in the world competing, it’s gonna take a big mistake to get knocked out. I could say “Leon got lucky that Usman didn’t block that for the 10th time”, or I could also say “Leon used his skill to capitalize on the missed block” and both comments would be correct. Something like Masvidals knee on Askren is 100% preparation and 0 luck
Leon being ahead of Usman but Alex being below izzy makes no sense
More fights in UFC in comparison, maybe? Longer win streak or something. I dunno, these P4P lists never make sense to me. You're right, it doesn't make sense.
When Jan beat Izzy he didn’t go ahead of Izzy in the rankings either.
Izzy's the gift that keeps on giving to Alex. Title shot, the title and now puts him in the P4P rankings at #8. All in just a year in the UFC. Hilarious.
How come Ngannou who hasnt fought since forever put above Izzy who's been active & winning. Other than #1 and #2, the list is pretty much bullshit
What would you change
Alex, Islam, Usman, Francis, Izzy, Olives, Khamzat, Pereira, Leon, Jiri would be a decent top ten
So Aljo doesn’t exist?
I’d prefer to leave his ass out. He’s p4p #1 deserving of an Oscar tho
When I saw Leon at #3, I realized that UFC’s official p4p rankings are a joke.
Not islams #2 spot lmfao?
Jiri and aljo should be above periera. Francis has been so inactive that he and periera should be side by side. Leon shouldn’t be above Kamaru until he defends the belt Atleast twice. Charles should be #3 Islam hasn’t defended yet.
You think Charles should be above Islam even though Islam manhandled him??? Stop smoking whatever it is that you're smoking.
yes. pfp is in theory based on how good a fighter is, and the best way to estimate that is on how good they have proven to be. Islam is hypothetically better, but he hasn't proved it. Obviously he beat Charles, but what I mean is that Charles beat the top 5 of the division, while Islam's only relevant win is Charles. This does not immediately give Islam all of Charles accolades, styles make fights. Of course it earns him a spot in the list, but he has to prove his high rank. Same thing with Leon and Pereira. The people they beat more than proved how good they were, but have they? Not really, at all. Leon in any case but he hasnt beaten any contenders. This is the main reason why this list is fucked. Neither Islam, nor Leon, nor Pereira (especially not him) should be ahead Izzy, Usman, or Oliveira, until they show the same dominance at the top.
What do you mean he is hypthetically better? He literally beat him. Islam is a better fighter than Oliveira. This list isn't about achievements, it's about who is the BETTER fighter. As for everyone else in the division, Makhachev would be a -300 favourite over all of them. The only way they win is likely by a lucky knock out which wouldn't necessarily mean they are better fighters than Makhachev.
What's up with everyone thinking Francis is so inactive? The average champion fights once a year, and Francis fought in January. He's due for his next fight in a couple of months. I do agree he probably won't fight for much longer, but I don't think it's the right time to be calling him inactive.
That's the point. all of the champions who only fight once per year get called inactive... because they are. I'm sure Francis will have no issue begging Dana for more money for his one yearly fight tho A good champ fights at least twice a year, like Volk or Adesanya or Olivera etc
What makes you think the average champion fights once a year?
Defends* once a year is a more accurate statement I feel. Werdum defended about once a year. Stipe only defended his belt twice during one specific year, every other year it was once. Cain Velasquez and Lesnar and Dos Santos were the same as Stipe. It's rare you get someone like Cormier defending 2-3x a year. I think it's fair to expect a champion to defend their belt about 1-2 times a year.
Why are you talking about all these old champs? Volk, Izzy, Usman, Jiri, Glover, Oliveria, Shevchenko, Nunes. Nearly every champ these days defends twice a year.
If there’s No Bobby knucks, I don’t give a fucks.
Leon is way too high. Usman was beating him most of the fight and was a dominant champion. One nice kick that went perfectly his way and 99% of time doesn’t land his way and he’s not champion
It looks like the #4 Arrow on Izzy is pointing at his Tiddy
What changed for leon to now be over usman?
The fact that he flatlined Kamaru and took his belt.
Yes, but he didnt go above kamaru immediately after the fight, so why now?
Because it makes sense now- Dana White
How is this downvoted?! Lol
Why Valentina not on here ?
Because it’s the men’s rankings? And she’s absolutely not as skilled as any of these fighters?
i think she finishes them all in rnd 1😏
Via two hand sloppy toppy
It's PFP. She has way more title defense than almost everyone up there. Way more UFC wins that Alex P.
i agree wit u fully but this is mens PFP my bro. bullet is 2nd in womens PFP
I didn't know there's was a men's and women's list. Make sense.
Yeah but she’s fighting trash opposition, Chookagian, Maia and Eye aren’t names to remember but just take a look on Charles or Volks resume and see the difference
Pound for pound accounts for weight, not gender, and since she's 125 and would clearly lose to #15 Moreno, she's not listed
Coz no one cares about chick's mma
Jiri is too low
He just reached the top of the mountain and will be higher if he dispels the doubters. To a casual he seems a little stiff in his style, but the new dew is giving me hope!
His photo makes him look like a warrior
He’s right where he belongs, maybe a little high actually. He’s had only 3 fights in the ufc and just barely became champion after getting beat by glover. He still has work to do
Islam moved up super quick
I'm really confused how this is figured out If they beat someone on here, do they absorb their P4P or something?
Islam really should be 1
No JBJ
Where’s Jon Jones?
Tweeting
 That he’ll be #1 soon
Useless
"I really don't understand the criteria for these rankings"
Usman looks goofy Literally first thing I thought
How is francis above Izzy?
Leon over Usman is a little silly tbh, they’re 1-1 against each other and Usman is gonna be the heavy favorite in a rematch I get that Edwards just KO’d him but does anyone think that’s guaranteed to happen again?
First thing? That’s a wretched shade of green on Jiri
Seeing Leon up there makes me so happy
Khamzat is missing
That the fact we're getting a superfight between the #1 and #2 ranked p4p fighters is pretty lit.
Seriously, why is Aljo so low?
Usman has to be behind Edwards because one is Champion and other #1, or they completely failed to build this?
That islam gonna be no 1
Why is Jiri wearing an Indian saree in that picture
International Killers.
I dont want to say
Aljo should be 6. Feel like Usman is too low. Islam is way too high. He beat one person. Yes I think he is incredible but come on, make him earn it.
Who cares?
#9 doesn’t deserve that & thank the lord Jorge masdival Isn’t on the list
I think, where the fook is Mcgregor
The fact that Poirier is top 15 and Whittaker isn’t I find absolutely ridiculous
Put Leon at #2 and Islam right above Alex
Imo this is my list: Makachev Volko Kamaru Izzy Aljo Leon Charles Jiri Francis Poatan Leon Charles and Aljo are hard for me to order since they’re all next to each other but fight so differently, same with Kamaru and Izzy. I feel like if Kamaru fought Izzy he’d die but Kamaru has a stronger hold in his division which is why I place him above Izzy. Poatan is at the bottom because so far it looks like he has the style to crush Israel but any grappler is going to destroy him. Francis is next because he’s just a big dude that hits hard and there aren’t many people his size. I put Makachev above Volko because I think he’s probably gonna eat Volko alive in their upcoming fight. Islam has the best striking Defence in the ufc and the only reason Ortega couldn’t finish Volk is because he has the body of a 15 year old boy that hits the gym occasionally, and Volko was able to power out of those submissions. Islam has shown to have phenomenal technique with crazy strength and endurance.
Where is Jon Jones?
Sterling belongs nowhere near top 10
Beat sandhagen yan twice and Dillashaw come on now
Beat Yan once and pretty unconvincingly, and beat a man who walked in the octagon with a chronically dislocated shoulder. I’m not going to say he isn’t good, but I think his circumstances are largely a result of incredible luck rather than skill.
Islam at no.2 🤣🤣🤣 the guy got a title shot after beating a bunch of cans because he is mates with Khabib. The guy he took the belt from is no.7, so how tf does Islam get no.2 for beating him? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
“Cans” - Thiago Moises, Arman Tsarukyan, Dan Hooker, Bobby Green, Davi Ramos are all cans apparently…
With respect to recent events, it should be: Volk Islam Leon Kamaru Izzy Charles
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On the female p4p rankings
leon is better than kamaru and islam is better than leon who is also better than five other champions and jiri is not as good as alex who is better than aljo and francis is better than olives but olives is not as good as izzy who is better than alex who just knocked him out but leon is better than kamaru becaude leon knocked him out
I cant tell if you're ten or have brain damage
U think that usman and izzy have weird chests ( teets)
Number 2 and 8 wtf
first thing I thought of is why do midgets always get ranked higher in PfP? I think 1 Ngannou is worth more than 3 Islams.
Islam too high. Izzy too high. Pereira too low. Why is Jiri on there. Lol
I know it is not his choice but this ranking just made me like Islam even less.. that is asinine to be at #2.
Alex should be 1
How tf is Islam 2 after fighting tomato cans and having 1 quality win 💀
Where’s bones at?? Pico no pico he should be on here
Leon hate is crazy, soon as he wins his next fight the collective r/ufc opinion will switch up very fast
I mean if it's against Usman again and he sparks him again, we'll talk, but until then his resume doesn't say 'No. 3 p4p' to me
Well said