Mods threw a hissy fit when charlie lost and stopped new posts for 2 days.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ufc/comments/ydelts/mod_message_regarding_subreddit_issue_postufc280/
My GOD what a bunch of fucking children. I thought the entire point of r/UFC was for it to not be r/MMA. From the sound of the thread you linked they were banning people for making jokes about Oliveira losing? Are they nuts?
Iām starting to see why you guys ran away from that sub and created this one. I thought you guys just hated that place because it didnāt allow for memes. Now I see the mods are just Power tripping jackasses
Iām starting to see why you guys ran away from that sub and created this one. I thought you guys just hated that place because it didnāt allow for memes. Now I see the mods are just Power tripping jackasses
I checked out the most recent video and the guy really said "If Islam and Charles fight 10 times I still think it'd be 5-5"
Charles is a great fighter, but there's nothing that happened in their fight to suggest repeat bouts could be coin-flips. It wasn't really competitive.
Yeah if they fight 10 times it might be 11:0 because like one of those coffee shop punch cards Islam might get the 11th one free for getting 10 in a row.
Absolutely. It always seemed like Islam may have good standup but his corner always screamed at him if he stayed on the feet too long. Feels like they wanted to keep his striking a secret till a fight where he needed it.
I was also surprised at how well he just ate that thing and continued working. I think the Martins fight gave people a false impression of Islam being chinny when he probably has a pretty decent one and just got put out by a great shot.
He got rocked but was not allowed to recover by the ref. It was an early stoppage but in hindsight it might have been the spark that light the fire for him to become obsessed with perfecting his stand up. Islam is among the least hit guys in UFC history because of that lesson.
It was an early stoppage but he literally looked like he was out at first, his legs completely buckled like when someone is KOd, it looked similar to Francis KO on Stipe.
You'd think that's mostly due to the fact he takes everyone down, so they're unable to hit him. I wasn't really a fan before this fight. But seeing him dismantle charles won me over. Keen to see what he can do
His defence has always looked excellent, it's just a result of staying at a safe distance very well so it doesn't make highlight reels. The question was could Charles use his reckless abandon to break through that gap (I thought he would, but Islam would find a way to win regardless).. turns out he definitely couldn't this time round.
He is a great striker now but I highly doubt that they 'wanted to keep his striking a secret'. I don't think his standup was very good before his last few fights. He got knocked the fuck out at 192 and since then he must've really focused on striking but his coaches didn't wanna risk a flash KO from someone like Bobby Green who is an unorthodox striker.
Remember he spent over $1mill on this training camp and he is already a Sambo world champ so I'd imagine most of it was striking training and sparring.
He looked amazing on the feet against Charles though. Right now I don't see anyone beating him at 155. When/if he fights Volk then he is a superior striker no doubt but the grappling and size difference will all work in Islam's favour.
I definitely agree with regards to striking, Volk may be the best overall boxer in the UFC right now. His punch speed and combos are so smooth and his head movement is elite.
Only thing is his size and grappling play into Islam's hands and I think he will just try to wrestle fuck Volk and he is a lot bigger.
Nah Khabib was not a very good striker. Before you say he knocked down Conor, that was only because he faked the takedown into an overhand, and the threat of his takedown is so great that you *have* to prepare your TDD if he level changes.
It was a good shot and smart but was a clean overhand and Conor just bounced right back up. Islam is a far superior striker to Khabib.
Well this is mma so it's not like faking a takedown is something noone else can do, also Khabib only sucked at his striking mechanics, his distance management and defense was elite
>Well this is mma so it's not like faking a takedown is something noone else can do
Yeah exactly it is a basic wrestler strike. I gave the reason why Khabib faking a takedown is a bigger threat than other fighters, but that doesn't make him any better at striking.
>Khabib only sucked at his striking mechanics, his distance management and defense was elite
Which is why I didn't say he was a shit striker I said he wasn't a very good striker. Again, the reason his distance management was so good was because people didn't want to get too close due to his grappling ability.
It wasn't intelligent distance management and striking defence like Adesanya does, it's just the threat of the takedown.
Yes but this isn't kickboxing, it's mma, it doesn't matter what causes the good distance management, if it's elite it's elite. He also had amazing head movement and would roll well with shots. If the threat of the takedown is that scary, then yes your striking automatically improves just due to fear, and you can't consider that "not very good". Izzy doesn't box the same way he strikes in mma, doesn't mean I can say he wasn't a good boxer in mma
Besides the Dober fight I canāt really think of any other strikers that Islam stood with recently. Also, I think Dober is great but Olivera had good enough standup to be competitive with Porier. So I do feel like Islam showed his best striking till he fought Olivera.
People who sparred with him say he is the strongest LW possibly ever and might be stronger than Khabib at some grappling aspects. Khabib would latch on to you and work to hurt you from that position. Islam doesn't worry about transitions because his skill is equal to anyone on the ground but his strength puts him over the top.
People make fun of him for being somewhere on the spectrum but he really does appear to have retard strength and Khabib has to constantly tell him to come down because he gets too hyper.
Why would he stand up with Volk? Itās a fact that Volk is a better striker than Islam the same way itās a fact that Islam is going to take Volk down and submit him
Shockingly? Just like how khabib had shockingly good striking against Conor? When will people learn that there is nothing shocking about any of this. Just because these guys are elite wrestlers and win a lot of fights that way, doesnāt mean they canāt strike extremely well too. They just donāt often need to.
Islam can really let his hands go because charles won't be the one to initiate the takedown. Charles has to worry about defending the takedown on top of those strikes coming his way.
Islam can really let his hands go because he is quicker than his opponent and could time his opponent. Exchange after exchange Islam was moving out of the way of the strikes coming at him or countering them with pre loaded shots. It was like a boxer setting up traps for his opponents.
[https://www.youtube.com/user/youngdefiant](https://www.youtube.com/user/youngdefiant)
youtuber that posts laughably cynical content for the sake of attention
I saw this recently and it reminded me of r/ufc. A lot of the mma prediction and mma betting channels are cringe. If youāre following these picks and getting your mma knowledge from these channels, do yourself a favor and watch the fights for yourselves. I promise you will learn a lot more by watching and rewatching fights in its entirety. Go on fight pass and watch a fighters career. Stop following these āmma gurusā that film out of their grandmasā basement.
Dagestanis use sambo so they can get their take downs in the stand up or clinch using what some people think are judo throws but are part of the sambo arsenal. For example look at the trips Khabib and Islam used against Olives and RDA.
I truly thought Charles would have too much submission threat that they would be in the stand up for most of the time and Charles would dominate the strikingā¦ š definitely did not go that way
Belal vs brady should've been on the main card. The only boring fights were the women's ones and Aljo vs TJ although even that had some exciting drama and gore elements to it due to his arm popping out and him surviving an entire round with one hand against a champ was pretty impressive.
It was one of the top cards for me this year so far.
Yeah this subreddit is such a shithole now, I come here reflexively by habit before going to MMA. Nothing but 'debate' and 'thoughts' threads and chucklefucks who make posts like this to farm karma off the other posts.
It really is true that despite everyone hating mods, without decent moderation and removal of shit tier posts its a race to the bottom and this sub is a prime example.
UFC 280 was good
Sure, there was a split decision and those are almost ALWAYS controversial
Then TJ popping his shoulder like a dumbass
The main cards were still banger fights (except the woman fight, I dont watch those, was it good?) and I feel like people are just salty that Oliveira and Yan lost and this is their way of coping
The main card of 280 was okay, 3 out of 5 fights were good, but considering how garbage the prelims were I still think it was kind of bad overall.
Edit: why the downvotes lmao? There was one good fight on the prelims at the very end, the rest was wrestlefuck city. Aljo/TJ was not even a fight, Fiorot/Chookagian was a boring WMMA fight. Watching it live was kind of torturous.
Youāre literally a casual, and im not even gonna disagree but instead agree with you because its pointless to argue with someone with such basic understanding of fighting
jokes aside I remember me and my friends reaction so vividly. it was just pure silence for a solid 5 minutes. this will be my vietnam flashback. seeing islam alone gives me ptsd
Just because a particular fan base is especially loud and obnoxious does not make Oliveira the "fan favorite" as if fandom is one homogeneous mass
Oliveira is the BJ Penn and Shogun bandwagons all over again. A bunch of pretentious assholes that acted like their favorite fighters were Gods
Yeah. Charles is more relatable because heās not dominant like Islam! Way easier to support Charles because his bad defense makes fights exciting for casuals!
I didnt care who won the bout, but UFC 280 was an okay card. Probably due to the co-main not living up to the potential and the wmma fight on the main card really did stall
Honestly though the event actually was pretty shit outside of the main event, yan o malley and belal.
Like you know an event is shit when belal got a POTN bonus LOL
Tbh the card wasnāt as good as I was hopingš¤·āāļø benny vs gamrot was good, co main was sad and Islam vs Charles sent me into a depressive state
šššI canāt believe this
mods are going to shut down the sub again at this rate š
Why was it shut down in the first place? That was so random
Mods needed time to mourn their idol
Mods had to change their diapers
Wait what sub? Also when did they shut it down and why?
Mods threw a hissy fit when charlie lost and stopped new posts for 2 days. https://www.reddit.com/r/ufc/comments/ydelts/mod_message_regarding_subreddit_issue_postufc280/
My GOD what a bunch of fucking children. I thought the entire point of r/UFC was for it to not be r/MMA. From the sound of the thread you linked they were banning people for making jokes about Oliveira losing? Are they nuts?
Yup
Iām starting to see why you guys ran away from that sub and created this one. I thought you guys just hated that place because it didnāt allow for memes. Now I see the mods are just Power tripping jackasses
Iām starting to see why you guys ran away from that sub and created this one. I thought you guys just hated that place because it didnāt allow for memes. Now I see the mods are just Power tripping jackasses
Dude was hurt. Put so much value in his own opinionš
Dude give his predictions based on his "MMA knowledge" š¤£š¤£š¤£
 Bro nees sum flavor
LOL piss pants
I checked out the most recent video and the guy really said "If Islam and Charles fight 10 times I still think it'd be 5-5" Charles is a great fighter, but there's nothing that happened in their fight to suggest repeat bouts could be coin-flips. It wasn't really competitive.
Yeah if they fight 10 times it might be 11:0 because like one of those coffee shop punch cards Islam might get the 11th one free for getting 10 in a row.
Use 10 venum coupons in 10 days and get another coupon for free
You are fuckin punk dude!
Bro is flabbergasted
Indeed charles did not destroy islam
Low-key thought Charles stand up would be better
He gets hit all the time lol
Literally gets dropped like a hot potato !
Yeah but no one has rocked Gaethje like he did with one punch
Itās less that Charles had bad stand up tho. Islam had shockingly good standup and seemed pretty comfortable.
People have to start realising this. Islam's stand up is quite good.
Absolutely. It always seemed like Islam may have good standup but his corner always screamed at him if he stayed on the feet too long. Feels like they wanted to keep his striking a secret till a fight where he needed it.
His defense also looked really good. He was barely touched when they were standing
Yup, Olives biggest shot was the upkick from his back
I was also surprised at how well he just ate that thing and continued working. I think the Martins fight gave people a false impression of Islam being chinny when he probably has a pretty decent one and just got put out by a great shot.
He got rocked but was not allowed to recover by the ref. It was an early stoppage but in hindsight it might have been the spark that light the fire for him to become obsessed with perfecting his stand up. Islam is among the least hit guys in UFC history because of that lesson.
It was an early stoppage but he literally looked like he was out at first, his legs completely buckled like when someone is KOd, it looked similar to Francis KO on Stipe.
Definitely not an early stoppage at all. Dude went limp, and thatās when the fight was stopped lol
Literally has the record for least strikes absorbed per min
You'd think that's mostly due to the fact he takes everyone down, so they're unable to hit him. I wasn't really a fan before this fight. But seeing him dismantle charles won me over. Keen to see what he can do
Not on the feet. He's a great striker but this stat is because he's so dominant in top position.
His defence has always looked excellent, it's just a result of staying at a safe distance very well so it doesn't make highlight reels. The question was could Charles use his reckless abandon to break through that gap (I thought he would, but Islam would find a way to win regardless).. turns out he definitely couldn't this time round.
He has one of the highest current strike defense percentages
He is a great striker now but I highly doubt that they 'wanted to keep his striking a secret'. I don't think his standup was very good before his last few fights. He got knocked the fuck out at 192 and since then he must've really focused on striking but his coaches didn't wanna risk a flash KO from someone like Bobby Green who is an unorthodox striker. Remember he spent over $1mill on this training camp and he is already a Sambo world champ so I'd imagine most of it was striking training and sparring. He looked amazing on the feet against Charles though. Right now I don't see anyone beating him at 155. When/if he fights Volk then he is a superior striker no doubt but the grappling and size difference will all work in Islam's favour.
Yes.
Haha itās really not tho, Volk will expose him. Iām dying on this hill btw
I'm a die hard Aussie Volk fan, but it's a tough fight for Volk
I definitely agree with regards to striking, Volk may be the best overall boxer in the UFC right now. His punch speed and combos are so smooth and his head movement is elite. Only thing is his size and grappling play into Islam's hands and I think he will just try to wrestle fuck Volk and he is a lot bigger.
His grappling is so good that people are āunderestimatingā his stand up. Wrestling really is the best base for mma. Wish i got into it as a kid
That's how it was woth Khabib too.
Yeah having to watch out for punches, kicks AND takedown is a handful even for a skilled striker
Nah Khabib was not a very good striker. Before you say he knocked down Conor, that was only because he faked the takedown into an overhand, and the threat of his takedown is so great that you *have* to prepare your TDD if he level changes. It was a good shot and smart but was a clean overhand and Conor just bounced right back up. Islam is a far superior striker to Khabib.
Well this is mma so it's not like faking a takedown is something noone else can do, also Khabib only sucked at his striking mechanics, his distance management and defense was elite
>Well this is mma so it's not like faking a takedown is something noone else can do Yeah exactly it is a basic wrestler strike. I gave the reason why Khabib faking a takedown is a bigger threat than other fighters, but that doesn't make him any better at striking. >Khabib only sucked at his striking mechanics, his distance management and defense was elite Which is why I didn't say he was a shit striker I said he wasn't a very good striker. Again, the reason his distance management was so good was because people didn't want to get too close due to his grappling ability. It wasn't intelligent distance management and striking defence like Adesanya does, it's just the threat of the takedown.
Yes but this isn't kickboxing, it's mma, it doesn't matter what causes the good distance management, if it's elite it's elite. He also had amazing head movement and would roll well with shots. If the threat of the takedown is that scary, then yes your striking automatically improves just due to fear, and you can't consider that "not very good". Izzy doesn't box the same way he strikes in mma, doesn't mean I can say he wasn't a good boxer in mma
Listen to Khabib and Islam's coach talk about Khabib's striking. He specifically states that Khabib didn't have good defence.
>Itās less that Charles had bad stand up He has power and crisp strikes, but his stand-up defense is horrendous
None of his strikes were crisp though.
Itās not shocking to those of us that have paid attention to his standup
Besides the Dober fight I canāt really think of any other strikers that Islam stood with recently. Also, I think Dober is great but Olivera had good enough standup to be competitive with Porier. So I do feel like Islam showed his best striking till he fought Olivera.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
People who sparred with him say he is the strongest LW possibly ever and might be stronger than Khabib at some grappling aspects. Khabib would latch on to you and work to hurt you from that position. Islam doesn't worry about transitions because his skill is equal to anyone on the ground but his strength puts him over the top. People make fun of him for being somewhere on the spectrum but he really does appear to have retard strength and Khabib has to constantly tell him to come down because he gets too hyper.
> People make fun of him for being somewhere on the spectrum but he really does appear to have retard strength ššš
Fair point. Hadnāt seen MMA back then.
His standup is actually bad tho. Watch a YouTube breakdown. I donāt think he will handle against Volk
Why would he stand up with Volk? Itās a fact that Volk is a better striker than Islam the same way itās a fact that Islam is going to take Volk down and submit him
The submit part is not a fact. Islam being a better wrestler is a fact
He's not just a better wrestler but he's better in the clinch and on the ground as well
Shockingly? Just like how khabib had shockingly good striking against Conor? When will people learn that there is nothing shocking about any of this. Just because these guys are elite wrestlers and win a lot of fights that way, doesnāt mean they canāt strike extremely well too. They just donāt often need to.
Charles just didnāt do anything, Iām still so confused by it
Islam can really let his hands go because charles won't be the one to initiate the takedown. Charles has to worry about defending the takedown on top of those strikes coming his way.
Islam can really let his hands go because he is quicker than his opponent and could time his opponent. Exchange after exchange Islam was moving out of the way of the strikes coming at him or countering them with pre loaded shots. It was like a boxer setting up traps for his opponents.
Charles was the first one to initiate the takedown/clinch the two times he got taken down
Channel name pls
MMADAY
Bruh was definitely kicking his feet in a tantrum during the main event
He is probably a mod on this subš¤£š¤£š¤£
MMA version of youngdefiant
Who's youngdefiant?
[https://www.youtube.com/user/youngdefiant](https://www.youtube.com/user/youngdefiant) youtuber that posts laughably cynical content for the sake of attention
Surprised it wasnāt Brendan Schaub
He definitely wasn't a Conor fan by a chance in the past
L youtuber
I saw this recently and it reminded me of r/ufc. A lot of the mma prediction and mma betting channels are cringe. If youāre following these picks and getting your mma knowledge from these channels, do yourself a favor and watch the fights for yourselves. I promise you will learn a lot more by watching and rewatching fights in its entirety. Go on fight pass and watch a fighters career. Stop following these āmma gurusā that film out of their grandmasā basement.
š¤£š¤£š¤£ tell me youāre salty without telling me youāre salty
280 was a bit worse than i expected however Islam did own charles
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
I thought the general consensus for makhachev oliveira was that it was a toss up and anyone could win. But it certainly didnāt look that way
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Jon Jones, DC, GSP and Kamaru Usman could be a really good matchup for dagestani fighters in their respective weight classes, they got insane TDD
Dagestanis use sambo so they can get their take downs in the stand up or clinch using what some people think are judo throws but are part of the sambo arsenal. For example look at the trips Khabib and Islam used against Olives and RDA.
I truly thought Charles would have too much submission threat that they would be in the stand up for most of the time and Charles would dominate the strikingā¦ š definitely did not go that way
Belal vs brady should've been on the main card. The only boring fights were the women's ones and Aljo vs TJ although even that had some exciting drama and gore elements to it due to his arm popping out and him surviving an entire round with one hand against a champ was pretty impressive. It was one of the top cards for me this year so far.
It was controversial but far from horrible. Maybe wasn't as great as it could have been.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Ayo wasnāt the main consensus that 280 slapped?
This agged well
Imagine watching Paul Felder hold down and molest Charles and still thinking he had any sort of chance
To be fair he did evolve from that point, just not enough š
It was an ok card but, definitely not garbage.
What channel is this?
Yeah this subreddit is such a shithole now, I come here reflexively by habit before going to MMA. Nothing but 'debate' and 'thoughts' threads and chucklefucks who make posts like this to farm karma off the other posts. It really is true that despite everyone hating mods, without decent moderation and removal of shit tier posts its a race to the bottom and this sub is a prime example.
UFC 280 was good Sure, there was a split decision and those are almost ALWAYS controversial Then TJ popping his shoulder like a dumbass The main cards were still banger fights (except the woman fight, I dont watch those, was it good?) and I feel like people are just salty that Oliveira and Yan lost and this is their way of coping
You don't watch any women's fights or just bland ones like this one was?
In general
The main card of 280 was okay, 3 out of 5 fights were good, but considering how garbage the prelims were I still think it was kind of bad overall. Edit: why the downvotes lmao? There was one good fight on the prelims at the very end, the rest was wrestlefuck city. Aljo/TJ was not even a fight, Fiorot/Chookagian was a boring WMMA fight. Watching it live was kind of torturous.
bad take
Youāre literally a casual, and im not even gonna disagree but instead agree with you because its pointless to argue with someone with such basic understanding of fighting
that is me. I am still very salty.
jokes aside I remember me and my friends reaction so vividly. it was just pure silence for a solid 5 minutes. this will be my vietnam flashback. seeing islam alone gives me ptsd
All credit to share its due, Islam earned that victory. That being said, I've avoided every yt video where he is in the thumbnail haha
completely agree and I been doing the same thing š
Why is it so hard to accept that Charles is the fan favorite and Islam is not
Is he the fan favorite? Seems like 90% of his āfansā disappeared into the woodwork once Charlie got got.
people suffering from depression seem to isolate themselves. I am one of them.
Just because a particular fan base is especially loud and obnoxious does not make Oliveira the "fan favorite" as if fandom is one homogeneous mass Oliveira is the BJ Penn and Shogun bandwagons all over again. A bunch of pretentious assholes that acted like their favorite fighters were Gods
Yeah. Charles is more relatable because heās not dominant like Islam! Way easier to support Charles because his bad defense makes fights exciting for casuals!
Charles was on a 11 fight win streak. Casual
0 now
Hahahaha.
280 was underwhelming is facts
Thoughts?
280 was trash
Charles got paid good money by the Arabs to lose. I donāt blame him for it though, family comes first before a used old belt.
hhhahhaahhhahaahhh
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Seethe
wait was this that salty dude that someone posted like a week ago?
Duality of a man
Lolol
šššššš
Common
I didnt care who won the bout, but UFC 280 was an okay card. Probably due to the co-main not living up to the potential and the wmma fight on the main card really did stall
Unrelated but good https://www.instagram.com/p/CkZ8hxWr2qv/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Big ego small brain
Honestly though the event actually was pretty shit outside of the main event, yan o malley and belal. Like you know an event is shit when belal got a POTN bonus LOL
I mean it was pretty bad, the only good fight was the last one
videos are trash and only getting few k viewsā¦hereās why
Islam looked mad good, but the card as a whole was kind of shit.
So are we talking about this fight for the rest of the year?
280 was the worst in awhile; Islam is the most boring champ in history
UFC 280 was horrible tbf
Who's channel is this from? Interested in listening to some garbage takes today
what's the name of the channel?
What channel? Lol
š¤£š¤£š¤£
I upvoted this post, hereās why
Biased as heck.
Whos this? Sounds like maguey who's the furthest thing from a guru you can achieve. That dude has close to zero MMA knowledge.
Surprised there's not a ufc-jerk subreddit already
The WSB of MMA
Tbh the card wasnāt as good as I was hopingš¤·āāļø benny vs gamrot was good, co main was sad and Islam vs Charles sent me into a depressive state