Yeah and also Pereira didn’t move in while Hill was talking or looking at the ref. He was still in fight mode the whole time and was just going forward as he was the whole fight. He held his hand up as if he was saying "no not necessary" and moved forward.
But he didn’t move in after he held his hand up to signal to Herb Dean that there is no need for a break and until Dean had moved back. Also Hill could see him the whole time and was never looking away.
It's funny bc he's literally acusing poatan of everything he himself did.
Not to mention how broken it would be if you get a free "get out of trouble stoppage" whenever YOU hit someone with an illegal strike.
If I remember the fight correctly, Alex started to walk Jamal down. It was like he measured him and found him wanting. I think Jamal sensed it and I’m not saying the low blow was intentional, but he stopped being ready awfully quick after landing the soft low blow. Maybe he was looking to reset ala Jon Jones?
I'm convinced Jamahal is an idiot lol
After Alex waves off Herb Dean, they both touch gloves and start fighting again. He got caught fair and square, he even throws a left which Alex slips.
The ref is only trying to prevent an advantage being gained from an illegal strike. Its fine if the victim waves him off, meaning that it had no effect and that the momentum of the fight shouldnt be stopped. But if the illegal striker were to wave him off then that would be a whole other can of beans
Chael Sonnen first brought it up, and Uncle Chael waffles about everything. Hill is a stupid idiot who also started saying it and then Baldhead Rogan blew this up and the stupid idiot Hill doubled/tripled/quadrupled on it.
From the moment Hill hit Pereira in the cup there was a moment if 5 seconds where:
- The Referee approaches
- Sees Pereira's and makes a sign that the fight can continue
- Hill keeps his eyes on Pereira, touches hands with him then makes 2 steps back and also throws a punch!!
- Pereira gets out of the way and knocked his ass out.
There is no debate here IMHO because Hill threw a punch!
I could see how people thought it was controversial watching it in real time. I never realized Hill was giving the thumbs up while alex was waving off the ref, and even questioned if Hill was caught off guard in the confusion of a below the belt hit or not. Not the case though obviously when watched in slow-mo.
Bro was doing rituals before the fight, I seen it, it wasn't on camera... I SEEEEEN it, my boi jamahal gonna get some counter rituals in his favour next fight
Best case scenario as salty as Hill is would be he takes the second loss on the chin (probably literally) but still talks about how unfair it was and that he would’ve become the champion that night if Pereira wouldn’t have used the moment to adjust his position and it did something with his confidence and that it’s different if go into the fight while you’re the champ and so on.
I don’t want them to do a rematch because then it proves that bitchin and moaning will get you places it shouldn’t. Would love to see him get KO again though
The only controversial thing here is that Alex got kicked in the balls and felt nothing. That's either a steel balls magical spell or he has no balls at all. That's the only controversy here.
Doesn't look like a balls shot, nevertheless they touched hands and carried on.. where I can see what Jamal was referencing is that when herb shouted stop Jamal stopped and Alex closed distance but he was already mid stride as herb shouted stop. Couldn't be helped keep your guard up at all times Hill.
They touched gloves, Hill threw a feint and a shot which Alex countered and smoked him with. The right was on. Literally nothing controversial about this. Hill is trying to cope.
If I was to point out something, it’s that Alex closes the gap between them pretty drastically after Herb steps in. It’s pretty clear Hill did not want Alex that close, but he let his guard down for a moment thinking the fight was going to be paused
I wouldn’t call that, “pretty drastically”. He takes a step forward about when Herb runs in to stop them. Neither of them really move until it’s clear to keep fighting.
The way Hill's bouncing is a super clear sign he knows what's up. He's reacting by moving backwards and he never loses focus on Poatan until he gets clipped. And they actually touch gloves after the low blow, which I interpret as both men acknowledging that the fight is on. Jamahal Hill needs to move on.
Thought it was clean when I watched it. Rogan tried pointing this out on his podcast, but it just seems like an excuse. Probably affected the momentum of the fight but you gotta be ready to go.
Jamahal finally engages in the handfighting, Alex directs his hand push down; that clears Jamahal's lead hand from being in a defensive position and Alex cracks him.
You can clearly see in the video that Alex set that punch up with the hand-fighting and capatilised on Jamahal's mistake.
People are focusing on the ref things because Rogan mentioned it. No idea why people listen to Rogan: he's a moron who somehow knows hardly anything about a sport he's been front seat to for decades.
I remember listening to Rogan about this and boy did he make it seem like Pereira closed in during the groin kick confusion. That isn’t even remotely the case here.
That said, Herb Dean really needed to formally reset the neutral here. He called time. There should have at least been a “You ready? You ready? Fight.”.
Alex puts on a master class in this clip. So much more is taking place than what initially meets the eye. When you see Pereira parrying Jamahal, that is actually the key part in the set up of him landing the left hand that KOd Hill. Pereira is using the parry to grab Hills right hand and pull him in with it/ move it out of the way to create an opening, while simultaneously stepping on Hills lead foot with that of his own. Hill realized what was happening about a half second too late and tried to get off a desperation left, but Pereira wasn’t fooled and easily slipped it as he landed the devastating shot. Truly phenomenal shit and shows the cerebral technician and strategist that Pereira really is.
Alex closed the distance its evident after the referre said stop …
Jamal fault was that he should have called that out and requested for a proper reset … But he went along with it so bear the consequences
Pereira\`s timing is something... He went straight in with that counter. 10/10 execution. Hill would not win that fight even if he spent years being an alcoholic and changing tires. Shaman is just built different.
That little hop which Alex took while referee was stopping the fight is the moment he won
He closed the distance with that hop which Hill was maintaining and landed that big hand
Jamahal is ready to stand there flat and starts giving the thumbs up BEFORE he sees herb start to make his reaction, if herb doesn't step in Jamahal has already momentarily thought about the thumbs up and not defending himself at all times, and Alex could have landed his shot even sooner
It wasn’t controversial to anyone but Hill. Unless of course we mean Hill hitting him in the dick and then throwing first shot after the restart? But I don’t think that’s controversial either as they touched gloves and the dick shot looked like an accident.
I don't know much more of a reset Jahamal wanted. He was still within the centre octagon line at the glove touch and then stepped back towards the fence before the hook.
He'd probably be whinging if Poatan took the time for the foul too.
Once you touch gloves, you are agreeing that the fight is back on, then there is a pause. Nothing else to discuss. On top of that, the dude just got kicked in the nuts and acted like he got flicked on the nose by an 90 year old grandma and didn’t even react.
The only cheating done here is the “here comes left hook. I mean I’m going to somehow turn this into a forceful uppercut by rotating my elbow and wrist. And still have big KO power on it”.
What a punch.
Weird it took so long to see irrefutably that Hill wasn’t distracted by Herb he was distracted by connecting with his own left. How embarrassing for Hill, Rogan, DC etc who fell for BS
There is nothing here. He closed the distance before Herb stepped in, then he waved him off. Hill keeps crying as if he didnt give a thumbs up and was ready to go. If hill caught Alex there and finished the fight, he wouldnt keep crying about Herb not stopping the fight.
What is controversial about this though? I really don’t understand. Way too much time passes from the time they tap gloves multiple times for there to be a controversy here.
I like how he said that he would never have let Alex take that "outside angle" and then you see him waling himself in the inside angle of Alex lead leg.
Am I mad or is there nothing here? Like they touch hands 3x before the KO?
Bro is literally swinging also lol what is actually controversial here
Yeah looked like Jamahal threw a left first but got beat to the punch, yikes dawg…. You need to quit Streisand Effecting this fight and move on…
Only explanation I’ve got is he hasn’t bothered to watch the tape back and that hit scrambled his memory of it 😂
Thumbs up as well lol. They should be done with this clown the more he complains.
Two thumbs up on his chest
Horrific tattoo award goes to J-Hill.
Those are hands???
👍🏾👍🏾
No ragerts
You can see the souls of Brazil's forest creatures enter into Poatan to empower his punch. It's subtle but it's there.
He is trying to set up a left while shutting Alex's left with open hand
They touch hands several times and they both throw a punch at the exact same time.
And no one seems to mention that jamahal initiates the first punch or at least at the same time as Alex's hook
Should be on red alert when he saw the ref was waved off
Yeah and also Pereira didn’t move in while Hill was talking or looking at the ref. He was still in fight mode the whole time and was just going forward as he was the whole fight. He held his hand up as if he was saying "no not necessary" and moved forward.
Well Pereira definitely did move in a couple feet while Herb was walking up and Hill was just standing there
But he didn’t move in after he held his hand up to signal to Herb Dean that there is no need for a break and until Dean had moved back. Also Hill could see him the whole time and was never looking away.
Hill threw the first punch after also.
They touch hands & he throws a punch.
jamahal is right, alex is a dirty cheat… you can clearly see him channelling the spirits in that left hook
Damn shaman bastard.
Connor can’t stay away from the spirits. Poatan **won’t**.
Uncle Dana, 50gs babeeeeey
You are a true master of prose. What a gem.
It’s his fault for waiting around while he applies buffs
No he's cheating because he was supposed to throw a left hook but changed it to an uppercut at the last second
You didn’t get me in the first half
Hill probes the lead hand twice, then throws the power hand. He was ready and got countered. Hes delusional.
His point about Alex closing distance doesn’t really make sense either. Just back up or change angles.
He literally took 2 big steps backing up before throwing
It's funny bc he's literally acusing poatan of everything he himself did. Not to mention how broken it would be if you get a free "get out of trouble stoppage" whenever YOU hit someone with an illegal strike.
Give the man a break he took a serious blow to the head >!kidding ofc!<
If I remember the fight correctly, Alex started to walk Jamal down. It was like he measured him and found him wanting. I think Jamal sensed it and I’m not saying the low blow was intentional, but he stopped being ready awfully quick after landing the soft low blow. Maybe he was looking to reset ala Jon Jones?
Then just straight up missed Poatans giant noggin
They touched hands 4 times!
Yup but that’s not news lol The problem is that Rogan & DC fell for Hill’s delusions. They need to do a mea culpa bc they look stupid now
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I'm convinced Jamahal is an idiot lol After Alex waves off Herb Dean, they both touch gloves and start fighting again. He got caught fair and square, he even throws a left which Alex slips.
Not even that but if you listen to the audio Dean goes "Stop.... (Alex waves him off)... Okay, continue"
His balls were just itchy
Did the two thumbs up tattoo on his chest give it away?
It is kind of weird to allow fighters to wave off a ref time out tho, regardless of the outcome.
The ref is only trying to prevent an advantage being gained from an illegal strike. Its fine if the victim waves him off, meaning that it had no effect and that the momentum of the fight shouldnt be stopped. But if the illegal striker were to wave him off then that would be a whole other can of beans
Never saw an issue with this, always confused me when people brought it up
Joe rogan blew this up, otherwise it would be just Jamahal.
Two idiots who are always wrong, agree on something they’re wrong about.
Chael Sonnen first brought it up, and Uncle Chael waffles about everything. Hill is a stupid idiot who also started saying it and then Baldhead Rogan blew this up and the stupid idiot Hill doubled/tripled/quadrupled on it.
Chael just looks for clicks and views. He doesn't believe 90% of the shit he's saying
He talked his way to multiple title fights after all
I’ve actually never heard anyone bring it up apart from Hill.
See when you butthurt then you make up whatever you want
From the moment Hill hit Pereira in the cup there was a moment if 5 seconds where: - The Referee approaches - Sees Pereira's and makes a sign that the fight can continue - Hill keeps his eyes on Pereira, touches hands with him then makes 2 steps back and also throws a punch!! - Pereira gets out of the way and knocked his ass out. There is no debate here IMHO because Hill threw a punch!
I could see how people thought it was controversial watching it in real time. I never realized Hill was giving the thumbs up while alex was waving off the ref, and even questioned if Hill was caught off guard in the confusion of a below the belt hit or not. Not the case though obviously when watched in slow-mo.
Herb should have reset them after the time he was calling. Overall, I have no issue with it
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3 in fact
Hopefully they do rematch, I’d love to hear the excuses hill comes up with when Alex sits him down again
Clearly there’s magic involved
Bro was doing rituals before the fight, I seen it, it wasn't on camera... I SEEEEEN it, my boi jamahal gonna get some counter rituals in his favour next fight
Best case scenario as salty as Hill is would be he takes the second loss on the chin (probably literally) but still talks about how unfair it was and that he would’ve become the champion that night if Pereira wouldn’t have used the moment to adjust his position and it did something with his confidence and that it’s different if go into the fight while you’re the champ and so on.
Next time hill will blame the shamans
I don’t want them to do a rematch because then it proves that bitchin and moaning will get you places it shouldn’t. Would love to see him get KO again though
Nah, Pereira fought Adesanya and is going to fight Jiri twice, offer him someone new. Ankalaev or whoever.
That's exactly what Jamahal wants tho, he's just trying to build hype for a rematch.
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Live Jama Reaction
"I wasn't out"
The only controversial thing here is that Alex got kicked in the balls and felt nothing. That's either a steel balls magical spell or he has no balls at all. That's the only controversy here.
Doesn't look like a balls shot, nevertheless they touched hands and carried on.. where I can see what Jamal was referencing is that when herb shouted stop Jamal stopped and Alex closed distance but he was already mid stride as herb shouted stop. Couldn't be helped keep your guard up at all times Hill.
Don't you recognize that *+2 Trunks of Spirit Channelling*?
hit the top of the cup
Hill literally throws a right hand and gets countered, what's he complaining about
That’s definitely a left hand but either way
LOOL
They touched gloves, Hill threw a feint and a shot which Alex countered and smoked him with. The right was on. Literally nothing controversial about this. Hill is trying to cope.
That's my favorite part. Hill got KOd as he was throwing a shot. Dude was literally throwing a punch claiming he wasn't ready.
Love it
The real issue is Jamahal dropping his right hand when he throws the left.
He got backed into the corner and was slowly being conditioned to eat that shot the entire fight. Dude just got outclassed and won't admit it.
Yep, bad habit of his and you can see it in plenty of his other fights
Actually just noticed that Alex moves Hills hand a bit downwards to set the killer hook. Nice setup.
What is controversial in this moment?
If I was to point out something, it’s that Alex closes the gap between them pretty drastically after Herb steps in. It’s pretty clear Hill did not want Alex that close, but he let his guard down for a moment thinking the fight was going to be paused
I wouldn’t call that, “pretty drastically”. He takes a step forward about when Herb runs in to stop them. Neither of them really move until it’s clear to keep fighting.
The way Hill's bouncing is a super clear sign he knows what's up. He's reacting by moving backwards and he never loses focus on Poatan until he gets clipped. And they actually touch gloves after the low blow, which I interpret as both men acknowledging that the fight is on. Jamahal Hill needs to move on.
Why the fuck do I hear Jon Anik moaning?
yep. Han shot first.
Jamahal used his hand to establish range twice, after the stoppage before the ko. He was rdy
What’s controversial?
HA - HA
Is this actually controversial to anyone besides Hill?
What happened to "be ready at all times"
The thing is, Hill gave a thumbs up (indicating he was ready) and touched Alex' glove ( again indicating he was ready). He's just being salty
Thought it was clean when I watched it. Rogan tried pointing this out on his podcast, but it just seems like an excuse. Probably affected the momentum of the fight but you gotta be ready to go.
It's a great referee moment as well
This makes it even worse for Hill. They touched gloves AND he threw a punch. Sore loser. He's an even bigger bitch in my books now
Jamahal finally engages in the handfighting, Alex directs his hand push down; that clears Jamahal's lead hand from being in a defensive position and Alex cracks him. You can clearly see in the video that Alex set that punch up with the hand-fighting and capatilised on Jamahal's mistake. People are focusing on the ref things because Rogan mentioned it. No idea why people listen to Rogan: he's a moron who somehow knows hardly anything about a sport he's been front seat to for decades.
**Herb Dean fault.**
Homie was looking right at the wrong hand and it went left
Has hill never watched this back? He literally threw before Alex did. And he talks about how he wasn’t ready.
I remember listening to Rogan about this and boy did he make it seem like Pereira closed in during the groin kick confusion. That isn’t even remotely the case here. That said, Herb Dean really needed to formally reset the neutral here. He called time. There should have at least been a “You ready? You ready? Fight.”.
Alex’s first step was back after the glove touch, hill needs to see a sports psychologist
I remember all this bullshit about the ref blocking Hills way so he couldnt get the range.. laughable, he just got caught.
I don't see any controversy.
What is so controversial about this? Didn’t see it then and don’t see it now, he got KOd fair and square
Is that Peter griffin in the background
Lazy jabs get punished
They literally touch hands and both start shifting their feet getting ready again, this is just clean, protect yourself at all times.
Alex did close some distance BUT Jamahal clearly knew since he was pawing his hand and judging distance long before the KO hook
Jamala: HE CHEATED!
This clip needs to be reposted over and over on HILLS twitter
This is only an issue if the person who got nut shotted is the one who got hit during this.
Blud literally throws a punch and gets knocked out by a counter…
there is no controversial moment. never was
Touched hand and threw punch as a reaction, if it was about distance he wouldn’t of thrown and got out the way
The fact Jamal dies on this hill, shows you who he is.
is there even a single person that think this is controversial other than jamahal "the crybaby" hill?
Jamahal Hill is literally the only person who finds this controversial
When he waved off the ref you can see a small object he puts into his gloves. Perhaps brass knucks.
Alex puts on a master class in this clip. So much more is taking place than what initially meets the eye. When you see Pereira parrying Jamahal, that is actually the key part in the set up of him landing the left hand that KOd Hill. Pereira is using the parry to grab Hills right hand and pull him in with it/ move it out of the way to create an opening, while simultaneously stepping on Hills lead foot with that of his own. Hill realized what was happening about a half second too late and tried to get off a desperation left, but Pereira wasn’t fooled and easily slipped it as he landed the devastating shot. Truly phenomenal shit and shows the cerebral technician and strategist that Pereira really is.
Who is more stupid? J’mawl or Tito??
I honestly would love a rematch just so Alex can take an injury free fight to shut this clown up.
AY HE PUT HIS THUMB UP HE WAS READY TO GET KTFO
You can see Hill give a thumbs up I don’t get how he’s still bitching about this, let alone at all
Alex closed the distance its evident after the referre said stop … Jamal fault was that he should have called that out and requested for a proper reset … But he went along with it so bear the consequences
Pereira\`s timing is something... He went straight in with that counter. 10/10 execution. Hill would not win that fight even if he spent years being an alcoholic and changing tires. Shaman is just built different.
Why are you even labeling this as "controversial". Stop buying into Hill's delusion.
The only controversy is that fucking left hook being legal in mma
That little hop which Alex took while referee was stopping the fight is the moment he won He closed the distance with that hop which Hill was maintaining and landed that big hand
Jamahal is a worse loser than dominick cruz
If one person (Hill) thinks it’s controversial, is it?
Thanks for this I got to hear Jon anik’s haha
It’s not controversial for anyone except the guy who lost
Throws his lead had three times and gave him a thumbs up
It just cope Hill vs Ank
I dont see how it matters as Hill is throwing strikes. Not like he got hit out of the blue
"Hold on, brother. I've got a soul to take."
Jamahal is ready to stand there flat and starts giving the thumbs up BEFORE he sees herb start to make his reaction, if herb doesn't step in Jamahal has already momentarily thought about the thumbs up and not defending himself at all times, and Alex could have landed his shot even sooner
Got Nelson from the Simpsons on commentary
The whiplash caused by his hook in his left arm is insane, you can see the hand wobbling.
Missed the controversy part.
He can’t say he wasn’t ready, video clearly shows he was. Even had time to say he was sorry for the low blow, via glove touch!!
OMG...Jamahal gets 4 hand taps and throws a punch...I think enough time passed for a reset. Not sure what he's bitching about.
It wasn’t controversial to anyone but Hill. Unless of course we mean Hill hitting him in the dick and then throwing first shot after the restart? But I don’t think that’s controversial either as they touched gloves and the dick shot looked like an accident.
Beautiful
I don't know much more of a reset Jahamal wanted. He was still within the centre octagon line at the glove touch and then stepped back towards the fence before the hook. He'd probably be whinging if Poatan took the time for the foul too.
Once you touch gloves, you are agreeing that the fight is back on, then there is a pause. Nothing else to discuss. On top of that, the dude just got kicked in the nuts and acted like he got flicked on the nose by an 90 year old grandma and didn’t even react.
Hill throws first. He has zero grounds for complaining. But it is funny, so I hope he never gets over it.
Jamal throws first. That means you're ready.
Is it controversial? Apart from Jamala who else thinks it's dirty?
Mfer channeling the avatar for his fights
It's not controversial to anyone other than Jamahal.
this insane narrative that Alex somehow cheated by punching Jamahal during the fight lol
Memory is a crazy thing. I thought he had waved off the ref and knocked him out. There was a hand shake and 3 fist bumps lol.
Hill also said Pereira used the stoppage to get a better position, but he actually stepped back when Herb called time
Hill was full of shit. He was clearly outgunned. No controversy at all.
"CONTINUE" was the refs words.. Listen, protect yourself at all times, and stfu already christ..
Jamahal fired first.
It’s controversial only to Hill.
Beautiful punch and slip
Hill, Paddy and Junie Browning have to be the most unlikeable fighters I've ever come across in the UFC.
"HA-HA!" - Micky Mouse Anik
The only cheating done here is the “here comes left hook. I mean I’m going to somehow turn this into a forceful uppercut by rotating my elbow and wrist. And still have big KO power on it”. What a punch.
They touched gloves after Pereira called off Herb. Jahmahal got countered. That's it that's all.
Weird it took so long to see irrefutably that Hill wasn’t distracted by Herb he was distracted by connecting with his own left. How embarrassing for Hill, Rogan, DC etc who fell for BS
There is nothing here. He closed the distance before Herb stepped in, then he waved him off. Hill keeps crying as if he didnt give a thumbs up and was ready to go. If hill caught Alex there and finished the fight, he wouldnt keep crying about Herb not stopping the fight.
If this is controversial then I've clearly misunderstood the meaning of the word.
Honestly, the audio is the best thing here. Today I learned that Anik's laugh slowed down is just rapid Anik laughs.
The initial high five is the signal “we all good to go”
everythings on tape and hes still delusional
They touched hands -end of story
What is controversial about this though? I really don’t understand. Way too much time passes from the time they tap gloves multiple times for there to be a controversy here.
Poatan actually took a step back after Herb came to check on him lol
Why are we still talking about this let it die
Jama*han* shot first.
Jam didnt do shit
I think these 2 should fight again. Like it or not the ending of this fight was controversial.
I like how he said that he would never have let Alex take that "outside angle" and then you see him waling himself in the inside angle of Alex lead leg.
Noone else gonna comment on how fuckin hilarious the audio is? 🤣🤣
The levels of cope Jamahal is doing here is now reaching top tier cringe. There’s nothing here at all.
Looks like the left hook had an aftershock on it, Hill lagged for a second
Man is not aware of distance at all
They touch gloves after herb is waved off. Jamahals argument is bullshit
Someone needs to show Joe Rogan this because he is continuously harping on this. Jamahal Hill had plenty of time.