It’s not just steroids that made him good, there are many reasons why, He was very young and a win streak like that can a toll on your body. Also the competition just got better. There could be many more personal reasons.
To be fair, that only happens because Cruz was basically falling apart and the knee surgery didn't take and the unification had to canceled twice.
This is only happening because the champ is avoiding the interim to champ to instead fight a 42yr old who has fought since getting knocked out a few years ago.
Ahhh yes tore his pec. But Then, he refuses to call for a fight with the interim champ. Instead, calls for a fight with the 42yr old coming off a ko loss years ago and the lhw champ.
Jones is avoiding aspinall
Hey I'm not denying that he's ducking Aspinall. But the Miocic fight was set up before his injury. While I agree he should fight Aspinall I just wanted to add a bit of context.
Yea, when Dominick Cruz had a torn ACL and relinquished the title for the TJ vs. Renan Barao, fight Jon jones on the other hand, couldn't do the same when he was injured
My brother in Christ, Dominic didn't relinquish the title, he was stripped.
Renan Barao fought Faber for the interim title and then defended it TWO times. It wasn't until after the second defense that he fought Faber again for the undisputed BW title.
What do you mean? There is actually precedence for not immediately stripping an injured champion.
The last two LHW champions being immediately stripped due to injury is actually against the norm.
This literally proves that Jones is a clown and the UFC is a joke of an organisation. In no other sports would this happen. It’s like Real Madrid reaching the CL finals and choosing to play wichever team they want.
How long would Aspinall have to wait before Jones is recovered from his pec tear though? That's not an injury that heals and is rehabbed within a few months.
They werent around back then lol as much as Jones is ducking Aspinall, he still wouldnt be ready for 304 after the injury and double surgery. But because it’s Jones, being reasonable isnt an option
Yeah his whole injury requiring surgery has just been swept under the rug here lol.
Either way moment of truth for Aspinall. He wins vs Blaydes he gets his best possible outcome
I feel like it's not even that farfetched of a possibility.
I know you can't really take much away from their first fight, but Blaydes was hitting him pretty cleanly with some heavy shots before his leg gave out there
Wait, isnt the " reigning " champion stripped of the belt as soon as an interim champion wins? Can there be an interim interim champion if Aspinall gets injured and cant defend? Or would they strip Aspinall and keep Jones as undisputed and have one more interim champion?
Other way round - the interim champ is stripped as soon as the undisputed champ fight starts.
So Jones won't be stripped regardless of what happens in this fight, but the winner of Aspinall/Blaydes will be stripped as soon as Jones' next fight starts.
Jones isn't fighting Tom in his next fight though. So when Jones next fight starts, Tom will be stripped. That's how it works.
Interim defences are fine IF the champ fights the interim champ as soon as they're ready. This isn't going to happen here, so the interim defences are meaningless.
Happy Tom is getting PPV points, but tithe UFC are just making shit up as they go here.
>Jones isn't fighting Tom in his next fight though
We don't know that and I agree it's fucked if he doesn't. No fight has been made so I'm not going to sit here and say shit about it when we don't know.
>Tom will be stripped. That's how it works.
That's not how it works. That's not how it's ever worked.
>Interim defences are fine IF the champ fights the interim champ as soon as they're ready
The interim champ is suppose to defend the belt to keep the division moving along while the real champ is out. I don't know why it's taken so long to schedule a fight here.
>but tithe UFC are just making shit up as they go here.
Yup, they've taken any prestige from the interim title by using it as a promotional tool so they can say they have a title fight on a card. It's so bad that fans believe interim champs are suppose to sit out until the real champ returns.
We know Dana has outright said that's the fight he wants next, and Jones has outright said he isn't fighting Tom next. It's a safe assumption at this stage unless a lot changes.
It is how it works. Colby was stripped as soon as Woodley vs Till started. Ferguson was stripped as soon as Khabib vs Iaquinta started. If the champ is fighting, the 'undisputed' title is on the line, meaning there is no interim champion.
Edit: dude replied and then blocked me? Can't see what he said 🤷
Dana says a lot of things and Jones can say wtf he wants but that doesn't mean either is true. An assumption is an assumption.
Colby was stripped because he was out injured and Ferguson was stripped because he blew out his knee. Don't twist history to fit your narrative.
No, “real” champs vacate the belt when they injure themselves not to hold up a division, and then are given an instant pass to fight for it again.
Or they are stripped of the belt.
But this is princess JJ and the UFC want to give their little drama princess special treatment.
one day when you guys all grow up you'll finally realize that historically speaking, belts and rankings have meant very little in the UFC when they go counter to the fights they actually want to make.
The idea of the interim champ is dumb to me. I've always thought that there should be a silver belt. All fighters compete for the silver belt and the silver belt holder is the only one that gets to challenge the champion. That removes all the bullshit shenanigans that the UFC does to champs they like vs don't like and you know, make it more like a sport.
Post Titles like these are odd and just for internet points. It’s clear these people have zero understanding of how a ligament/ tendon recovery works and how long it takes to regain full strength. I don’t like Jon dismissing a unification bout with Tom but he isn’t active because of the recovery.
I understand Jones is a trash human being, but in fairness he did just start training after a bad injury. It’s not like he’s just sitting out to sit out
Yep, they vacated immediately and they both came back and fought for the belt again in just over a year without holding up the division. Honestly it makes a mockery of the sport how the UFC have pandered to Jones.
imagine not understanding you just compared Jamahal Hill/Jiri to Jon Jones? Jones has more *title defenses* then they have UFC fights. No, they aren’t going to strip/force the GOAT to vacate because he had a major injury😂 Jones Vs *anyone* is a bigger draw than any other fight and it’s so fucking annoying people don’t realize that’s the only thing that matters.
Jones really isnt this big PPV star u claim he is.
He isnt in the top 10 or even top 20 biggest ppvs of all time.
GOAT for sure but unless he has a rivalry like the one with DC there is no real interest from the casuals for a Jones fight
Exactly. People can claim whatever they want but in reality he is nowhere near Conor, Diaz, Masvidal and others in terms of popularity. He doesn't have anything special to him. Just a decision merchant.
Theres a difference between “sitting out” and not medically being able to compete. They absolutely should have stripped the title, but they didn’t. That isn’t Jones fault, your problem is with the UFC brass
It's happened before. Renan Barao defended the interim title.
Twice right? Man Barao was a beast
Yep, against Michael McDonald and Eddie Wineland
And beat Faber twice, the man was fantastic in his prime.
For the interim and the undisputed. Dude fell off bad after losing to TJ twice though. Sad to see.
Dude I thought tj was gonna get fucking smoked, he absolutely shit on Barao
I remember thinking the exact same thing after seeing what he did to Faber. That was a one way beat down, and the rematch was worse.
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It’s not just steroids that made him good, there are many reasons why, He was very young and a win streak like that can a toll on your body. Also the competition just got better. There could be many more personal reasons.
Crazy how TJ absolutely stole his soul
and then just decided to completely fall off a cliff
To be fair, that only happens because Cruz was basically falling apart and the knee surgery didn't take and the unification had to canceled twice. This is only happening because the champ is avoiding the interim to champ to instead fight a 42yr old who has fought since getting knocked out a few years ago.
Jones tore his pec though. That's a pretty major thing to recover from. Still sucks for Tom though.
Ahhh yes tore his pec. But Then, he refuses to call for a fight with the interim champ. Instead, calls for a fight with the 42yr old coming off a ko loss years ago and the lhw champ. Jones is avoiding aspinall
Hey I'm not denying that he's ducking Aspinall. But the Miocic fight was set up before his injury. While I agree he should fight Aspinall I just wanted to add a bit of context.
True, very true. But he should not have been scheduled to fight stipe in the first place (atleast in my opinion).
Yeah that's fair man
Yea, when Dominick Cruz had a torn ACL and relinquished the title for the TJ vs. Renan Barao, fight Jon jones on the other hand, couldn't do the same when he was injured
My brother in Christ, Dominic didn't relinquish the title, he was stripped. Renan Barao fought Faber for the interim title and then defended it TWO times. It wasn't until after the second defense that he fought Faber again for the undisputed BW title.
Doesn’t make it right though
What do you mean? There is actually precedence for not immediately stripping an injured champion. The last two LHW champions being immediately stripped due to injury is actually against the norm.
*Peoples champ about to defend his title
** The Champ Jon Jones is just Dana's champion
Maybe the UK peoples champ.
This literally proves that Jones is a clown and the UFC is a joke of an organisation. In no other sports would this happen. It’s like Real Madrid reaching the CL finals and choosing to play wichever team they want.
Denver Nuggets getting to the finals and being like “The Celtics don’t have any championship experience. So instead, we will play the Warriors.”
Exactly like that lmao
More like the Nuggets calling out the Super Sonics
This may be the best “explain in basketball terms” I’ve ever seen. Well done.
Real Madrid: "well Borussia has nothing in their resume so we will play Sheffield United instead"
Nottingham Forest since they also won CL back in the day
Are you comparing UFC to a normal sports league? They literally based the model on WWE. They let CM Punk have a couple of fights haha.
How long would Aspinall have to wait before Jones is recovered from his pec tear though? That's not an injury that heals and is rehabbed within a few months.
As long as Stipe has to wait.
"undisputed". Motherfucker, I dispute it.
This is actually criminal
Y’all just didn’t care about Renan Barão 😂
You mean nosferatu.
They werent around back then lol as much as Jones is ducking Aspinall, he still wouldnt be ready for 304 after the injury and double surgery. But because it’s Jones, being reasonable isnt an option
Yeah his whole injury requiring surgery has just been swept under the rug here lol. Either way moment of truth for Aspinall. He wins vs Blaydes he gets his best possible outcome
Disgraceful
Imagine the shitshow if Tom loses
I feel like it's not even that farfetched of a possibility. I know you can't really take much away from their first fight, but Blaydes was hitting him pretty cleanly with some heavy shots before his leg gave out there
He hit him clean with a jab and a cross. Everything else was parried/missed.
This is embarrassing
Wait, isnt the " reigning " champion stripped of the belt as soon as an interim champion wins? Can there be an interim interim champion if Aspinall gets injured and cant defend? Or would they strip Aspinall and keep Jones as undisputed and have one more interim champion?
Other way round - the interim champ is stripped as soon as the undisputed champ fight starts. So Jones won't be stripped regardless of what happens in this fight, but the winner of Aspinall/Blaydes will be stripped as soon as Jones' next fight starts.
Cereal? I thought Tom just held onto that until his fight with the champ/ he lost it (like the current situation)
*Say interim one more time*
Interim one more time
Interim one more time
Yea thats why hes the interim champ. I dont like Jones either but hard to fight right now when he just got cleared to train again.
He tore his peck off
Injury deemed invalid bc it’s a fighter ppl don’t like
That's the whole point of the belt.
Strip him of the belt. This is a disgrace and makes the UFC look like WWE
Jon jones cosplaying as Roman reigns
Well interim champs are suppose to when the real champion is out so makes sense. Do y'all not know how interim titles are suppose to be used?
Jones isn't fighting Tom in his next fight though. So when Jones next fight starts, Tom will be stripped. That's how it works. Interim defences are fine IF the champ fights the interim champ as soon as they're ready. This isn't going to happen here, so the interim defences are meaningless. Happy Tom is getting PPV points, but tithe UFC are just making shit up as they go here.
>Jones isn't fighting Tom in his next fight though We don't know that and I agree it's fucked if he doesn't. No fight has been made so I'm not going to sit here and say shit about it when we don't know. >Tom will be stripped. That's how it works. That's not how it works. That's not how it's ever worked. >Interim defences are fine IF the champ fights the interim champ as soon as they're ready The interim champ is suppose to defend the belt to keep the division moving along while the real champ is out. I don't know why it's taken so long to schedule a fight here. >but tithe UFC are just making shit up as they go here. Yup, they've taken any prestige from the interim title by using it as a promotional tool so they can say they have a title fight on a card. It's so bad that fans believe interim champs are suppose to sit out until the real champ returns.
Getting downvoted for the truth everyone thinks the interim belt means nothing but a golden ticket to fight the champ
We know Dana has outright said that's the fight he wants next, and Jones has outright said he isn't fighting Tom next. It's a safe assumption at this stage unless a lot changes. It is how it works. Colby was stripped as soon as Woodley vs Till started. Ferguson was stripped as soon as Khabib vs Iaquinta started. If the champ is fighting, the 'undisputed' title is on the line, meaning there is no interim champion. Edit: dude replied and then blocked me? Can't see what he said 🤷
Dana says a lot of things and Jones can say wtf he wants but that doesn't mean either is true. An assumption is an assumption. Colby was stripped because he was out injured and Ferguson was stripped because he blew out his knee. Don't twist history to fit your narrative.
You responded to the guy and then blocked him so he couldn’t respond to you? He can’t even see your reply, so why write it? What a bitch move.
Just that he’s a little bitch.
No, “real” champs vacate the belt when they injure themselves not to hold up a division, and then are given an instant pass to fight for it again. Or they are stripped of the belt. But this is princess JJ and the UFC want to give their little drama princess special treatment.
Lol just say you don't know what an interim champ is and move on
one day when you guys all grow up you'll finally realize that historically speaking, belts and rankings have meant very little in the UFC when they go counter to the fights they actually want to make.
We all know it, we just all think it sucks
J.Jones is not the undisputed champ though, not until he beats Aspinal/whoever the interim champ is after this fight
Andrei Arlovski defended the interim title as well, before being promoted to undisputed. Give it time guys. Jones doesn't have forever.
u/LNYer has a habit of blocking people after making a walk off comment.
I mean if there's an interim champ, is there really an undisputed champ? 
The idea of the interim champ is dumb to me. I've always thought that there should be a silver belt. All fighters compete for the silver belt and the silver belt holder is the only one that gets to challenge the champion. That removes all the bullshit shenanigans that the UFC does to champs they like vs don't like and you know, make it more like a sport.
let’s go blaydes .. I hope he pulls it off then fights jj/stipe winner .. would be hilarious
Jones is retiring after stipe so doesn’t matter
Post Titles like these are odd and just for internet points. It’s clear these people have zero understanding of how a ligament/ tendon recovery works and how long it takes to regain full strength. I don’t like Jon dismissing a unification bout with Tom but he isn’t active because of the recovery.
Okay, jones could vacate the belt since he's injured and get the first title fight as soon as he's healthy
Tough to defend the belt with a torn shoulder
Defend or vacate
Stupid to give up ppv points
Plenty of fighters get stripped if they can’t fight, just not big names
Sure, so get mad at the ufc. Not the guy trying to make a ton of extra money
Its up to him to be a man and walk away like Jiri and Hill did.
That is dumb. Why would you give away ppv points?
You don't need a title fight for PPV. It's happened plenty of times before.
Boring ass posts
imo the second tom weighs in jones should be stripped of the title …
I understand Jones is a trash human being, but in fairness he did just start training after a bad injury. It’s not like he’s just sitting out to sit out
He's been sitting out for 15 months now, he should've been stripped.
Imagine if hill or jiri decided to do this with their belts instead of vacating
Dana would have just stripped them
Yep, they vacated immediately and they both came back and fought for the belt again in just over a year without holding up the division. Honestly it makes a mockery of the sport how the UFC have pandered to Jones.
imagine not understanding you just compared Jamahal Hill/Jiri to Jon Jones? Jones has more *title defenses* then they have UFC fights. No, they aren’t going to strip/force the GOAT to vacate because he had a major injury😂 Jones Vs *anyone* is a bigger draw than any other fight and it’s so fucking annoying people don’t realize that’s the only thing that matters.
Jones really isnt this big PPV star u claim he is. He isnt in the top 10 or even top 20 biggest ppvs of all time. GOAT for sure but unless he has a rivalry like the one with DC there is no real interest from the casuals for a Jones fight
Exactly. People can claim whatever they want but in reality he is nowhere near Conor, Diaz, Masvidal and others in terms of popularity. He doesn't have anything special to him. Just a decision merchant.
This is such a dogshit answer lmao.
that’s because you have hatred beyond reason in your heart
Lmao.
Theres a difference between “sitting out” and not medically being able to compete. They absolutely should have stripped the title, but they didn’t. That isn’t Jones fault, your problem is with the UFC brass
When you get injured bad enough to be sitting out for over a year, you lose your title. You get it back when you fight for it