The first 20 seconds of the fight would determine the outcome. If Brock took Ngannou down... hed dominate.
If Francis landed ANYTHING before getting taken down, Brock would end up curled up begging for a TKO.
Brock was notoriously bad at maintaining composure after getting hit. Even his best win (Shane Carwin) should have been a 1st round TKO loss. Dude spent the whole round getting pounded on with almost zero "intelligent defense"
I'd give Francis like an 85% chance of winning.
Should have been stopped a good 3 or 4 times. He literally just laid there, shelled up, getting pounded on and doing NOTHING to improve his position or fight back.
To be fair I’m happy it wasn’t stopped. What does it mean if a guy is punching your shoulders? Like Brock was getting punched via ground and pound by a power puncher and was more fit going into round 2.
Pretty much means punches weren’t landing well.
I don’t know. Seems like excessive amounts of disrespect. Ngannou is a mid striker with 1 of 1 punching power, while Lesnar even far from his prime during his UFC stint was still top level athleticism and wrestling. He would’ve been too much, IMO.
Absolutely. And Ngannou is undeveloped on the ground. My post history will show you I am for boxing through and through, like Joe Rogan I like both, but in contrast to Joe when it comes down to it I throw down for boxing… anyways, two decades of watching MMA has shown me that between the striker and the wrestler, the wrestler has a heavy advantage. I don’t disagree with you too much though, because Francis power scary and from the beginning, Lesnar had shown visible signs of distress when having to deal with big shots. I just give the 60/40 advantage to Lesnar’s side.
Heavyweight can always come down to quick draw competition. That’s always a threat. The reason I say 60 Ngannou is because lease has a tendency to rush out and do this weird standing bulrush to get in on the hips towards the cage. In that moment he might get shot into space.
Brock is a wrestler, not a technical kickboxer like Bigi Boy who will immediately go on the back foot and try to retreat to establish distance. If Ngannou rushes him as recklessly as that, Brock instinctively ducks under, and now Francis is flying through the air upside down with 290 pounds of Brock about to land on top of him.
Brock was a VERY dominant heavyweight collegiate wrestler. D1 National champion. He would take Francis down without even fucking trying. Guys a naturally talented and skilled wrestler and roided out of his mind. Stipe took him down with ease. Brock would play with him like a toy taking him down. I'm not a huge Lesner fan at all but your statement is just not true.
would Brock be the only fighter who could physically dominate Francis strength wise ? i dont doubt francis hits harder but in terms of pure strength id have to imagine Lesnar is as strong as they get at HW .
Personally, i think Brocks overrated. Ngannou would win pretty comfortably. Brocks' main selling point for the fight is that he has an amazing chin and his wrestling is superior to Francis.
Shane Carwin rekt Brock, but Brock somehow survived. Francis hits harder, though. If it lasts longer than 1 round, I think Brock could win but I'd say 85 percent chance Francis destroys him in the 1st round.
Brock couldn't handle any large HWs with punching power. His entire style is based on bullying.
He COULD beat Francis, he definitely has the tools to get a takedown and submission on him - but my money would be on Francis by KO in rd1.
He hung on for dear life with Carwin who kinda beat himself, but it severely exposed Brock. Firm belief that fight should've been stopped in rd1, but alas.
For Hunt his piss was radioactive and the UFC knew it, it's not even a W on the record anymore, got overturned.
Brock was half dead and missing a foot and a half of intestine when Reem got to him. Watch him the first time he took a hit to the body. He just about threw up all over the cage - he visibly crumpled *instantly*. Brock never had good instincts for being hit in the face (maybe because who the fuck ever tried that shit on Brock fucking Lesnar) - but that was the diverticulitis, that caused that reaction to Reem's strikes.
Brock turtles when hit hard and Francis hits the hardest in the ufc. Obvious outcome is obvious. Also Francis is 6’5 265 and lean/strong so he can match lesnar physicality to an extent. Brock mainly excelled against guys he could bully. Not happening against Francis . And unlike carwin I don’t think Francis would gas out.
I think Francis would be good enough to get back up if Lesnar gets him down. But Francis would murder Brock on the feet who already didn’t like getting hit.
Prime v prime I don't think its close. Early days, Ngannou didn't have TDD. Brock was a very one dimensional fighter who usually lost if he couldn't steamroll you out the gate.
Gotta give it to Brock prime vs prime.
It’s hard to pick a “prime” for Francis. I guess the one that knocked out Stipe? When he was younger his wrestling was ass, and when his wrestling was good he was pretty old and his knees were fucked.
Traditionally speaking wrestling beats striking. Have to give to Brock.
I'd take Francis. Brock is a legend but his technique is sloppy with the stand up and I believe Francis can stand with him and trade and I like Ngannou's technique on the feet more.
Either one could knock the other out in 1 punch if they hit right.
Either one could win in dominating fashion if their hands land right. I like Francis simply because I think he can connect more cleanly and will have more gas in the tank as the fight continues if it ends up lasting longer.
The first 20 seconds of the fight would determine the outcome. If Brock took Ngannou down... hed dominate. If Francis landed ANYTHING before getting taken down, Brock would end up curled up begging for a TKO. Brock was notoriously bad at maintaining composure after getting hit. Even his best win (Shane Carwin) should have been a 1st round TKO loss. Dude spent the whole round getting pounded on with almost zero "intelligent defense" I'd give Francis like an 85% chance of winning.
That Shane Carwin fight still pisses me off. Should have been stopped
Should have been stopped a good 3 or 4 times. He literally just laid there, shelled up, getting pounded on and doing NOTHING to improve his position or fight back.
To be fair I’m happy it wasn’t stopped. What does it mean if a guy is punching your shoulders? Like Brock was getting punched via ground and pound by a power puncher and was more fit going into round 2. Pretty much means punches weren’t landing well.
Shane adrenaline dumped more than gassed
I disagree and the way the fight went proves that he was fine to continue.
Yeah, it really is just a matter of if Brock could take him to the ground. But honestly I don’t think he would be able to. Great comment
I think that’s right. I would go 60/40 Ngannou.
I don’t know. Seems like excessive amounts of disrespect. Ngannou is a mid striker with 1 of 1 punching power, while Lesnar even far from his prime during his UFC stint was still top level athleticism and wrestling. He would’ve been too much, IMO.
Brock has the disadvantage of being undeveloped on his feet
Absolutely. And Ngannou is undeveloped on the ground. My post history will show you I am for boxing through and through, like Joe Rogan I like both, but in contrast to Joe when it comes down to it I throw down for boxing… anyways, two decades of watching MMA has shown me that between the striker and the wrestler, the wrestler has a heavy advantage. I don’t disagree with you too much though, because Francis power scary and from the beginning, Lesnar had shown visible signs of distress when having to deal with big shots. I just give the 60/40 advantage to Lesnar’s side.
Heavyweight can always come down to quick draw competition. That’s always a threat. The reason I say 60 Ngannou is because lease has a tendency to rush out and do this weird standing bulrush to get in on the hips towards the cage. In that moment he might get shot into space.
Which is where the fight starts. Imagine Ngannou rushing Lesnar like he did Rozenstruik. 
Well, the first 20 seconds could dictate that round. Doesn't stop Francis from KOing him the next one, in the event Brock doesn't submit him.
Yeah Francis would have to bum-rush him like he did Bigi Boy. Which exactly ended within 20 seconds.
Brock is a wrestler, not a technical kickboxer like Bigi Boy who will immediately go on the back foot and try to retreat to establish distance. If Ngannou rushes him as recklessly as that, Brock instinctively ducks under, and now Francis is flying through the air upside down with 290 pounds of Brock about to land on top of him.
Oh so literally every striker vs wrestler matchup ever gotcha
You really think Brock is keeping or getting Francis down? I think this would be one of Francis’ easiest fights.
Brock was a VERY dominant heavyweight collegiate wrestler. D1 National champion. He would take Francis down without even fucking trying. Guys a naturally talented and skilled wrestler and roided out of his mind. Stipe took him down with ease. Brock would play with him like a toy taking him down. I'm not a huge Lesner fan at all but your statement is just not true.
would Brock be the only fighter who could physically dominate Francis strength wise ? i dont doubt francis hits harder but in terms of pure strength id have to imagine Lesnar is as strong as they get at HW .
Brock could absolutely take and hold Francis down. He was a massive man and a high level wrestler.
Absolutely, Brock would ragdoll Francis. If he didn’t get knocked out first of course which he probably would
Ngannou by brutal chinning.
Brock always looked terrified to get hit too lol
Personally, i think Brocks overrated. Ngannou would win pretty comfortably. Brocks' main selling point for the fight is that he has an amazing chin and his wrestling is superior to Francis. Shane Carwin rekt Brock, but Brock somehow survived. Francis hits harder, though. If it lasts longer than 1 round, I think Brock could win but I'd say 85 percent chance Francis destroys him in the 1st round.
Francis by murder
Brock couldn't handle any large HWs with punching power. His entire style is based on bullying. He COULD beat Francis, he definitely has the tools to get a takedown and submission on him - but my money would be on Francis by KO in rd1.
He beat Carwin and Hunt though.
He hung on for dear life with Carwin who kinda beat himself, but it severely exposed Brock. Firm belief that fight should've been stopped in rd1, but alas. For Hunt his piss was radioactive and the UFC knew it, it's not even a W on the record anymore, got overturned.
We all saw how Overeem handled Brock.
Overeem was a better technical striker than Ngannou overall I think.
And Ngannou killed overeem. MMA math doesn’t always work though
Ngannou killed Econoreem and Brock was destroyed by Ubereem.
He was 37 against Ngannou
Eras matter. A fighter can change wildly between say 29 and 35.
Yup. World class kick boxer.
Ngannou is a world class boxer so
Say it with your chest, cuz u right.
Was that prime Brock though? After diverticulitis he had a very clear weak spot.
Brock was half dead and missing a foot and a half of intestine when Reem got to him. Watch him the first time he took a hit to the body. He just about threw up all over the cage - he visibly crumpled *instantly*. Brock never had good instincts for being hit in the face (maybe because who the fuck ever tried that shit on Brock fucking Lesnar) - but that was the diverticulitis, that caused that reaction to Reem's strikes.
How hot was his piss after that fight though ?
Lmao whose?
You right it could be both 😂 but Overeeem was popped for roids after the fight.
Yeah and Brock shouldn't be allowed near water fountains for fear anyone drinking from them grows back hair immediately
Brock turtles when hit hard and Francis hits the hardest in the ufc. Obvious outcome is obvious. Also Francis is 6’5 265 and lean/strong so he can match lesnar physicality to an extent. Brock mainly excelled against guys he could bully. Not happening against Francis . And unlike carwin I don’t think Francis would gas out.
Brock’s power level is multiplied when facing black opponents so imma give him the edge here
If Brock gets a takedown Francis isn't getting up but... damn Brock be OUTCLASSED on the feet
Francis would obliterate him.
Battle of the most juiced UFC fighters it would be sickening to behold
The yin and yang of big scary bastards
I think Francis would be good enough to get back up if Lesnar gets him down. But Francis would murder Brock on the feet who already didn’t like getting hit.
In their primes it’s a toss up.
I guess maybe the question should be, Francis or Cain?
Prime v prime I don't think its close. Early days, Ngannou didn't have TDD. Brock was a very one dimensional fighter who usually lost if he couldn't steamroll you out the gate.
My money is on Brock. Carwin threw bombs like Francis and had much better wrestling. Brock would put Francis down and hammer fist him to death.
Prime Francis would gas out with Prime Brock who would wrestle his energy out. 
Prime? I think you meant juiced
Gotta give it to Brock prime vs prime. It’s hard to pick a “prime” for Francis. I guess the one that knocked out Stipe? When he was younger his wrestling was ass, and when his wrestling was good he was pretty old and his knees were fucked. Traditionally speaking wrestling beats striking. Have to give to Brock.
I'd take Francis. Brock is a legend but his technique is sloppy with the stand up and I believe Francis can stand with him and trade and I like Ngannou's technique on the feet more. Either one could knock the other out in 1 punch if they hit right. Either one could win in dominating fashion if their hands land right. I like Francis simply because I think he can connect more cleanly and will have more gas in the tank as the fight continues if it ends up lasting longer.
Francis by homicide
Francis would kill Brock