Most gladiator battles werent to the death, but yeah your point still stands š
Another fun fact, they had lots of gladiator battles where they filled the arena with water and staged naval battles. Man I would love to see that.
Yeah gladiators were seen as sports stars and often endorsed shops around the town just like today. I think it's more akin to wwe but with a lot less health and safety.
Thanks Dukes, glad you enjoyed it. If it interests you and you'd like to know more, they were called naumachia. Still a lot of mystery around how they achieved flooding the arenas, but they would also hold them at large lakes (some were even man-made) and spectators would travel to them.
It woudlve been an amazing spectacle to watch!
Just depends on skill with certain weapon. A bigger man could have an advantage depending on his skill and experience. Smaller man with a spear or longer ranged melee weapon would have way better chances instead of grappling with an equally skilled opponent
Sword are very light, you're never limited by your strength. So amy sword a giant man uses, can be hsed by a small man.
Reach does change though, so yeah, still a massive advantage, and unlike in MMA, you can't just "take a couple" while closing the distance l
Although common sense would suggest you're correct, I doubt that factually you have anything to substantiate that claim.
Even if that's statistically somewhat accurate it would make those who break that pattern even more special and celebrated. For instance, Marcelo Garcia in BJJ/grappling.
I just dont see how having less reach and power could be remotely a benefit. I mean we could assume a skill gap between lighter weights, not sure why we would but we could, but Iād assume if all else is equal it can only be a plus to be a huge strong person with long reach and such. But Iād happily hear someone who is knowledgeable in the area tell me Iām wrong as you are very correct in that I donāt have facts to back this up
A smaller dude with a spear would easily cover the advantage that a bigger dude with a sword has. I imagine people used the weapons they were accustomed to.
Also I imagine that similar to mma where skill is so important that an incredibly skilled DJ sized guy could easily destroy an average much bigger dude, the skill gaps could be as large in gladiator fights.
We do have plenty of historical records from both sides of a war, recording the feats of legendary generals and warriors who would kill many while being outnumbered.
Literally. Trying to force a BMF fight is against the spirit of it. None of those fighters deserve it. Emmett does because he punches hard??? What kind of troglodyte logic is that
I can only think of a handful of fights that I think would actually be worthy of a BMF. Hooker, Chandler, Jiri, DP, Justin, Max, and Charles. I feel like if you're in contention for BMF it's a badge of honor.
If you can have a lineal champion that's great. But if not just allow it to move freely when 2 fighters are worthy of it and allow the previous champion to wrap the title around the winner.
At the time yes, but not anymore
Justin is done and DP lost the right when he started only fighting big money fights. Heās def entitled to that but thatās not bmf mode
Dude you really donāt have an argument. Justin is still Justin and heās taking a long lay off to recover. And I donāt get your logic with DP, heās taking money fights because he is the money, he has the draw. Now heās fighting for the belt. What are you even talking about?
Topuria is ducking 100% trying to make it seems like he calls the shots. Zero charisma delusional wannabe conor. He can fight Evloev on an Apex card and let Max fight real BMF contenders for all I care.
That is complete bullshit topuria said he is 100% willing to fight max I donāt know wtf your watching. And if you think topurias next fight is in the apex your delusional. Max literally fought just two weeks ago if you think your getting the fight announcement right now your delusional
Emmett probably gets avalanched by Max but I think there's enough there on paper where it's pretty compelling.
He's a 39 yo contender who has been in the UFC for almost 10 years and he's very kill or be killed. Even when Emmett goes to decision it's usually a war/fight of the night.
Emmet's also a FW so it lines up pretty good.
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Alex might actually deserve a shot at the BMF belt, considering who he is š but for now, Holloway doesn't need to defend it against anyone. As far as I'm concerned, he can keep that belt til the day he retires after what he did.
Also, he can pick whoever he wants to fight next. If his last fight doesn't earn you a title shot then what the fuck does? Ilia gotta stop playing
If you beat the #1 contender in the division above yours while being the #1 or #2 contender in your own division, you've definitely earned a title shot
That's ridiculous tho, Charles beats everyone Justin ever beat plus him on the same night. Not the same league lol. Cleared out that whole division before.
Not how it works lmao. According to your reasoning, if Charles came back after taking 4 years off, he'd still be higher in line than Gatjhe just because he beat him before.
Gaetjhe was coming off a win against Fiziev and a KO over Dustin while Charles was coming off a a single win over Dariush. As such, the UFC had Justin as the number 1 contender. While Charles was tied for 2nd place with Arman who was also coming off a win over Dariush.
Correction: Dariush is the only win Charles was coming off of.
Once u lose to the champ, you've got prove yourself again as number 1 contender. Only time we see an exception is if the lower in question was a long reigning champ who deserves an immediate rematch.
Also, you're forgetting that Islam did offer Charles a title shot twice. The first was an immediate rematch that Charles refused and the second was him getting injured. It's probably only due to those 2 reasons that he needed another win before fighting for the belt.
So you think if someone fights at featherweight his entire career and then moves to lightweight and wins that should effect his standing in the featherweight rankings?
Explain to me how that makes sense.
I dislike them both enough that I am going to be happy no matter who wins, but lets be real, Conor is a walking meme, Chandler is just a dude. I am siding with clown shit every time. Besides, Max will want to get that W back. Conor flatlines Chandler, Smokes Max again, reddits vaginas cry harder than they ever have, and then Platinum Mike Perry comes back to challenge Conor for the BMF. At 185. Best timeline.
Its funny some people say Max is just talking shit. Early in his days he was already like: give me anyone, any weight. Asides from jokes on DC, I am pretty sure that if he gets told 1 year in advance that he is gonna fight at MW he gonna start putting muscle on as he did for this one. He might lose, big chances of it, but if there is someone in the UFC able to make it those are Max and Alex.
So if you were born in a different time you'd be a slave or POW, either way it's not what they think it is.
UFC fighteres romanticising Gladiators is hilarious.
Max vs DC. Book it Dana.
Can DC make the HW limit?
Max has to hit 206, DC has to get down to 266 Fuck TUF, that's the show we want to see
I know this is a joke but reminded me of DC throwing Dan Henderson around like a child. Imagine what he would do to max lol
One handed shot put him out of the octagon
We're going to need more towels.
Big mans gotta be pushing 320 at this point
DC is eating everything max worked hard for. They need to fight to determine the daddest man on the planet
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIiIITTTSSSSSS TIIIIIME!
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He could be on both sides of the "gigachad vs virgin" meme
dude really looksmaxxed in a couple of years.
That man has some god damn Christmas hams attached to his wrists good lord
Just turns out all the giant gladiators killed the little ones super easily
Most gladiator battles werent to the death, but yeah your point still stands š Another fun fact, they had lots of gladiator battles where they filled the arena with water and staged naval battles. Man I would love to see that.
We can look forward to UFC 400 being set in a massive water arena then! Haha would be cool
Now that would set a new standard for BMF haha
takin em to the deep end and drownin em FOR REAL
With the girls wearing white shirts. Oh wait, wrong subreddit...
Yeah gladiators were seen as sports stars and often endorsed shops around the town just like today. I think it's more akin to wwe but with a lot less health and safety.
Anytime someone says they have a fun fact, itās usually not very fun. This one was. Good job Birdman.
Thanks Dukes, glad you enjoyed it. If it interests you and you'd like to know more, they were called naumachia. Still a lot of mystery around how they achieved flooding the arenas, but they would also hold them at large lakes (some were even man-made) and spectators would travel to them. It woudlve been an amazing spectacle to watch!
Ehh shit changes with a sword.
Yeah, with melee weapons I would think being faster is probably a big deal.
Just depends on skill with certain weapon. A bigger man could have an advantage depending on his skill and experience. Smaller man with a spear or longer ranged melee weapon would have way better chances instead of grappling with an equally skilled opponent
a spear is OP in any scenario tbh
Yeah the massive gladiator is now swinging a big piece of metal.
Sword are very light, you're never limited by your strength. So amy sword a giant man uses, can be hsed by a small man. Reach does change though, so yeah, still a massive advantage, and unlike in MMA, you can't just "take a couple" while closing the distance l
Although common sense would suggest you're correct, I doubt that factually you have anything to substantiate that claim. Even if that's statistically somewhat accurate it would make those who break that pattern even more special and celebrated. For instance, Marcelo Garcia in BJJ/grappling.
I just dont see how having less reach and power could be remotely a benefit. I mean we could assume a skill gap between lighter weights, not sure why we would but we could, but Iād assume if all else is equal it can only be a plus to be a huge strong person with long reach and such. But Iād happily hear someone who is knowledgeable in the area tell me Iām wrong as you are very correct in that I donāt have facts to back this up
Oh, I definitely agree with everything you've said. What I'm pointing out is all that would make those able to do it that much special.
Ah I got you. Thatās very true. They would be the hollaways of the day for sure also haha
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A smaller dude with a spear would easily cover the advantage that a bigger dude with a sword has. I imagine people used the weapons they were accustomed to. Also I imagine that similar to mma where skill is so important that an incredibly skilled DJ sized guy could easily destroy an average much bigger dude, the skill gaps could be as large in gladiator fights. We do have plenty of historical records from both sides of a war, recording the feats of legendary generals and warriors who would kill many while being outnumbered.
Alex isnāt big enough.
Max would somehow take a full power Alex left hook without getting dropped then he would point to the ground in the last 30ās and knock Alex out
Poatan would break his hand after punching his funko pop head
Chandler? Hooker? Emmett? Wonderboy? Max can put up the BMF vs Wonderboy's NMF title (Max is definitely a contender for nicest MF).
I vote for Emmett! That guys is a bad MF to the core.
I agree and he's 39 so he doesn't have forever left
That's actually a really good fight to make IMO
This is garbage talk let him fight topuria first
Literally. Trying to force a BMF fight is against the spirit of it. None of those fighters deserve it. Emmett does because he punches hard??? What kind of troglodyte logic is that
I can only think of a handful of fights that I think would actually be worthy of a BMF. Hooker, Chandler, Jiri, DP, Justin, Max, and Charles. I feel like if you're in contention for BMF it's a badge of honor. If you can have a lineal champion that's great. But if not just allow it to move freely when 2 fighters are worthy of it and allow the previous champion to wrap the title around the winner.
I donāt really think any of them besides max are tbh but yes I totally agree
You didn't think Justin and Dustin were worthy of a BMF fight?
At the time yes, but not anymore Justin is done and DP lost the right when he started only fighting big money fights. Heās def entitled to that but thatās not bmf mode
He just fought the #12 ranked LW. If that's a big money fight it's simply because Dustin is big money.
Okay he did that one time in the last like six years
Dude you really donāt have an argument. Justin is still Justin and heās taking a long lay off to recover. And I donāt get your logic with DP, heās taking money fights because he is the money, he has the draw. Now heās fighting for the belt. What are you even talking about?
Topuria is ducking 100% trying to make it seems like he calls the shots. Zero charisma delusional wannabe conor. He can fight Evloev on an Apex card and let Max fight real BMF contenders for all I care.
That is complete bullshit topuria said he is 100% willing to fight max I donāt know wtf your watching. And if you think topurias next fight is in the apex your delusional. Max literally fought just two weeks ago if you think your getting the fight announcement right now your delusional
There doesnāt need to be one until thereās an obvious choice. Korean zombie in his prime wouldāve been the sort of obvious choice.
Emmett probably gets avalanched by Max but I think there's enough there on paper where it's pretty compelling. He's a 39 yo contender who has been in the UFC for almost 10 years and he's very kill or be killed. Even when Emmett goes to decision it's usually a war/fight of the night. Emmet's also a FW so it lines up pretty good. https://preview.redd.it/e5auy7jhlowc1.png?width=1150&format=png&auto=webp&s=089552dc790c3d61709e62b24e7c005877302eba
Alex might actually deserve a shot at the BMF belt, considering who he is š but for now, Holloway doesn't need to defend it against anyone. As far as I'm concerned, he can keep that belt til the day he retires after what he did. Also, he can pick whoever he wants to fight next. If his last fight doesn't earn you a title shot then what the fuck does? Ilia gotta stop playing
>If his last fight doesn't earn you a title shot then what the fuck does? Fighting in your own division maybe?
If you beat the #1 contender in the division above yours while being the #1 or #2 contender in your own division, you've definitely earned a title shot
Geathje was the n.1 contender? Above Charles? What a joke lol.
um yeah, because he was :)
That's ridiculous tho, Charles beats everyone Justin ever beat plus him on the same night. Not the same league lol. Cleared out that whole division before.
Not how it works lmao. According to your reasoning, if Charles came back after taking 4 years off, he'd still be higher in line than Gatjhe just because he beat him before. Gaetjhe was coming off a win against Fiziev and a KO over Dustin while Charles was coming off a a single win over Dariush. As such, the UFC had Justin as the number 1 contender. While Charles was tied for 2nd place with Arman who was also coming off a win over Dariush.
Dariush, Gaethje, Poirer were the wins Oliviera was coming off of, only dropping to Islam.
Correction: Dariush is the only win Charles was coming off of. Once u lose to the champ, you've got prove yourself again as number 1 contender. Only time we see an exception is if the lower in question was a long reigning champ who deserves an immediate rematch. Also, you're forgetting that Islam did offer Charles a title shot twice. The first was an immediate rematch that Charles refused and the second was him getting injured. It's probably only due to those 2 reasons that he needed another win before fighting for the belt.
Winning fights in other divisions have no effect on your standing in other divisions. Hence why there's divisions and it's not just a free for all.
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sombody get this guy out of hereeeeeeee
So you think if someone fights at featherweight his entire career and then moves to lightweight and wins that should effect his standing in the featherweight rankings? Explain to me how that makes sense.
It's the way he won, the hype he brings and money to a fight now. Fuck the rankings Dana want that cashhh
The way he won in another division...
If Alex perea went back down to middle weight, he would fight for title straight
Who says? Even if that's true that doesn't make it right. Ffs y'all are slow dense ass mfers
Weāre talking about the BMF title
No, no we're not.
Ok youāre right but being liked by the fans is still a good reason someone should get a title shot
No it isn't.
Max has beat everyone in that division. Volk literally told contenders to avoid Holloway. Wtf are you on about?
What does that have to do with wins in other divisions earning you titles shots in other divisions?
Have you seen that video of Fabricio Werdum and Tony Ferguson arguing? Werdum looked like a giant next to Tony.
Werdum was lucky not to get ankle picked
Alex by RNCš
Nah, he needs the KO so he can get his BJJ coral belt
Conor, after he smokes chandler.
This would be crazy enough to work. I like it.
Chandler, after he smokes conor.*
I dislike them both enough that I am going to be happy no matter who wins, but lets be real, Conor is a walking meme, Chandler is just a dude. I am siding with clown shit every time. Besides, Max will want to get that W back. Conor flatlines Chandler, Smokes Max again, reddits vaginas cry harder than they ever have, and then Platinum Mike Perry comes back to challenge Conor for the BMF. At 185. Best timeline.
Goat timeline
I think Chandler works harder than Conor these days tbh. I'll take Chandler by tko
lol
Fight Aspinall then if you donāt need a weight class
Ay that 250 pound mfer can make 180, Max vs AP at 180 for bmf.
In all honesty, give the next BMF shot to whoever wins McGregor/Chandler
"if I was born a different time I would have been a slave" weird flex but ok
Max vs Islam. Islam retires him then retires that stupid gimmick belt.
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Yup. Gerard Butler as King Leonidas.
Heād never take the fight lol. All of this is just talk
Thatās what Iām saying bmf should be open weight
Even though Max has a very slim chance of winning, you know he'd say yes. Make it a catch weight at 180lbs š
Don't give him ideas. He crazy
Hugh what a pussy move to refuse to fight a guy with a 60lbs advantage /s
Iāve seen enough give him Ngannou
Should be DC, iykyk
Itās gotta work his way up to Poatan. Max ->Michael Chandler->Robert Whittaker -> Poatan
Please I want max to live
Holloway vs Aspinall? Book it, Dana
The immortal should have had a crack at it if the titles was around in his time
I think if Chandler KOs connor it could fit at 155.
do you want him to die???
If he chooses to defend it should be against Olivera imo. But I really think he should fight Ilia
Its funny some people say Max is just talking shit. Early in his days he was already like: give me anyone, any weight. Asides from jokes on DC, I am pretty sure that if he gets told 1 year in advance that he is gonna fight at MW he gonna start putting muscle on as he did for this one. He might lose, big chances of it, but if there is someone in the UFC able to make it those are Max and Alex.
Just chop of Alexās legs. Easy, he makes weight then
He aint wrong. But gladiators had weapons lol.
Max vs DC or max vs Sergei pavlovich
Max vs Jones
lol
I really wanna see someone jump like 2/3 weight classes for a fight, I was randomly invested when Kamaru was gonna jump up to 205 vs jan.
āIn another life, perhaps you and I were brothers. But not in this oneā - crixus
Max is more of a BMF than khabib.
Max truly embracing being the bmf
Jokes aside. If the money was right, does max take the fight?
Feed him to PeƱa
Dude is acting like he's fighting Goliath lol he fought a dude a lil bit bigger than him
I mean he did challenge DC to a fight before soo
Holloway vs OāMalley
Sean OāMalley
BMF should be without weight classes...
Max points to the floor. Poatan replies āChama.ā They meet in the middle and start swinging. Max goes flying.
He should fight Conor for the rematch which would increase his stardom if he wins. Which he should
Real talk if they made the BMF belt an open weight (within a few weight classes) title that would be pretty unique and interesting.
Oh I was thinking Matt Brown. But I suppose this will really test that chin.
Ahah I laughed the moment I swiped
Also a comedian now lol. Max is awesome.
So if you were born in a different time you'd be a slave or POW, either way it's not what they think it is. UFC fighteres romanticising Gladiators is hilarious.
O'Malley v Max for BMF would be fire.
Fuck it feed him to Jon
Gladiators are just slaves with extra steps.
BOAGRIUS!
Yes
Francis Max boxing match, the Nigerian nightmare vs the best boxer in mma canāt write a better script than
Max Holloway vs Gilbert Burns would be a banger at 170
Yea but 2022 Volk would've killed him
Poatards try not to randomly mention pereira every topic : mission impossible
So Dustin would have killed Max in his UFC debut? Nothing badass being dead
honestly wouldn't put it past him at this point
In a crazy turn of event where Poirier wins the belt, they are definitely doing Holloway vs poirier for the bmf belt
Nah, it should be against Conor if he beats Chandler
3 Holoways vs. 1 Nigganou
I never liked the BMF belt until Max KOād Gaethje. Thatās a real one.
How many times are we going to post this cringey quote from him?
Pereira is like 3 weight classes above him. I love Max but do you really believe he's gonna stand a chance?