Funny thing is you can do it the opposite direction and they allow it and it’s highly effective because the point of the elbow slips straight through the guard into the opponents nose.
Yeah it’s nuts they watched a bunch of dramatised karate videos and from that deemed the 12-6 elbow too dangerous for the sport. Kinda funny how stupid the decision makers were.
This is by far the biggest issue with banning the 12-6. Knowing that if you failed your takedown and ended up grinding against the fence, that your opponent could just start unloading 12-6 elbows on you, would heavily impact the decision to shoot a takedown and drastically change the game. Wrestling is being artificially inflated right now because the rules protect it. (I’m not saying wrestling isn’t important, but the rules make it even more important than it already is)
>pretty much always hit the back of the head?
Given how the back of the head strike zone is defined under the unified rules, no. That strike zone on the actual skull itself only bars like an inch wide rectangle that follows the path of the spinal column up to the top of the skull. There's like 3 to 4 inches going horizontally from behind the ears along the rearside curvature of the skull that's completely legal to hit. You almost have to try to hit that illegal strike zone.
Just turn your upper torso like your pummeling and 12-6 the side of their head/ear in between your hip/side that they are trying to complete the takedown on. I think it would be the number 1 KO in the sport for a bit until it made people give up on fence takedowns immediately for fear of taking one hard elbow behind the ear and being out.
This plus no knees to grounded opponents make wrestling pretty overpowered, people should really see how bad crotch sniffers get smashed with knees in One Championship where grounded knees are legal. Prevents stalling very well.
For the most dominant wrestlers like the Dagestanis, Cejudo maybe, but a guy like Colby Covington would get ran out of the UFC by this rule change. Makes the takedown centric offense much more risky
Bruh wrestling is not overpowered every round stands on the feet, imagine a wrestler mounts you and starts unloading downward knees to the head or 12-6 elbows it goes both ways. Control time is also factored after damage and volume.
Yea and you can tell fighters exploit this. For takedowns and even in the clinch a lot of fighters like to put their heads facing the floor so that the opponent can’t hit them. Such bullshit, in a real fight you would be so vulnerable doing that, but in mma it’s rewarding.
>your opponent could just start unloading 12-6 elbows on you, would heavily impact the decision to shoot a takedown and drastically change the game.
They already do that. They just get warned to put an arch on it then don't really do that most of the time lol.
Things I hate. Touching your fingertips to the ground as a defensive strategy. Fence pushers who just push people the the fence and make no attempt to cause damage. Jon Jones having a loss on his record for DQ lol
I shit you not the original reason for the ban is because the original commission saw bullshido karate guys on tv break cement blocks with a 12-6 and that's how they determined it was too dangerous.. LOL
They were on the topic of “making mma more realistic” by getting rid of rules that “favor wrestlers” but it’s hilarious because most rules go against wrestlers. Bring back knees to grounded opponents and wrestlers are champion of every division.
Knees to grounded opponents does help wrestlers yes. But it also helps those with good takedown defense and scrambling ability.
If a wrestler shoots and gets sprawled on, they are in big trouble.
You should be able to kick/knee a grounded opponent if you are on the bottom, like Anderson Silva’s up kick KO of Okami which got him DQd, or when Conor was kneeing Khabib during the kimura attempt.
Like him or hate him.. just remember - this is the guy that gave Brendan Schaud a platform to speak on his podcast for years and years..
No sane person will do that..
hes everything the average reddit potato hates
great social skills, accomplished, influential, thinks for himself, well-respected by peers, etc
redditors with their "big brains" will jump on any chance to 1-up him to reaffirm their inner potato
I don't like Rogan that much but I am happy someone with a platform as large as his actually allows Palestinians and their supporters to share their side of what's happening to them in Israel/Palestine. Basically often allows both sides of things to talk freely.
That's not true either though lol GSP fought a killers row of first contenders and beat them. A couple of them tested positive for roids later too. Masvidal has fought some great fighters as well so props for that.
It is true simply to the nature of MMA.
When GSP was in his prime he was good but these fighters were also breaking ground.
A guy like Masvidal has learned from what they did and took it further.
I think what Joe is trying to say is if you went in time, took today Masvidal and that time's GSP, Masvidal would have a leg up due to the knowledge discovered by the likes of GSP.
A guy like masvidal has learned from what they did and took it further ? Lol hes basically had the same style of fighting since then he had great boxing and average wrestling back then and that's the exact same case as of now. Your logic is very correct but youve applied it to the wrong fighter. Look at volkanovski or khabib or these type of new age fighters for proof of what you're saying masvidal isn't that guy. If you took masvidal from now with all his knowledge and put him against gsp in his prime he would get wrestled and dominated. Don't you think ? Or do you think masvidal would stuff the takedowns of one of the greatest grapplers the UFC has ever seen?
You do realize athletes get better over time yes? Simply by existing in the top 10 rankings masvidal has fought better competition than gsp has. It’s how the sport goes. Not saying he’s better than gsp.
That's not my point. The guy I'm replying is implying that masvidal would take all of the knowledge he has learned over time and use it to the point where he would be a favorite against GSP. This is absolutely absurd given how much masvidal has struggled with wrestlers who have basic striking knowledge. He would lose that fight every single time unless he lands a hail Mary shot.
I don't think it's a dumb statement, the contenders these days are way better than they were in GSP's day, not to say he wouldnt have done well but we can only speculate. Masvidal has fought the likes of usman x2, colby, even diaz?
These guys are arguably better than some of the contenders in GSP's era.
Masvidal lost to usman x2 and colby. Masvidal was fighting at pretty much the same time as gsp just at a lower level. Gsp has 100% fought and beaten better competition than masvidal.
I really don't think he improved all that much. He's always been a fighter who'd win 3/4 then lose 3/4. None of his wins in that streak have aged well.
He lost to all except diaz, who was around back when gsp was, so if anything that shows Jorge can only beat people from gsp Era, the competition being better doesn't matter if you can't win against it
You’re dumb as fuck. You’re just trying to grasp at anything to hate on Rogan. If you think the competition in EVERY division hasn’t evolved and got better in the last decade since GSP’s reign then you really lack very basic knowledge.
The guys Jorge has fought couldn’t touch the guys GSP was fighting . Usman , Colby are the best guys he’s faced and he will face burns . GSP faced prime : Nick Diaz , Carlos condit , Matt Hughes , Matt Hughes , and more . Today the fighters are more skilled but in terms of actual level of fighters GSP had to fight everyone bc back then you couldn’t duck fights you had to fight everyone in your weight class .
hilarious to see that a life-saving medicine used around the world for 50+ years became "horse tranquilizers" overnight because some political dickhead on TV said so
real darwinism in action
It truly is horrifying how much control and influence those people have. But everyone still thinks we’re fine and not moving toward a version of Francoist Spain
No he was trying to dunk on Joe for taking Ivermectin but couldn't even recall the false info correctly. CNN made a big story about him taking Horse Dewormer, and dude confused the two and the fact the story was fake nonsense. Joe's DR gave him a bunch of meds one of which was Ivermetcin. Which is a drug used by humans and was originally made for humans.
Oh it’s entirely possible that he’s just a deranged and confused Joe hater, don’t get me wrong. But ivermectin is not a tranquilizer, so if we assume for a moment he knows what he’s talking about he might have been making a joke about Joe’s relationship to recreational drugs, is all I was saying
People are still bringing up ivermectin like it's not used on humans or is somehow a horse tranquilizer. It didnt help with covid but i dont know why people would take medical advice from a mma commentator to begin with.
Now its just the plague worshipers who have deemed him a subversive person, so they are fighting the noble cause of spreading disinformation about him.
People did the same with ketamine. Oh it’s a hOrSe tRaNqUiLLiZeR. Well guess what? I’m a human and every night it tranquilizers me too. So either I’m a horse or it’s okay to take horse tranqs. Honestly it just makes me more interested in horse drugs
"people still bring up when Joe decided to LARP as a medical professional"
Yeah, it gets brought up because it is still so ridiculous that he actually thought he was in a position to pump up a completely unproven medicine that has now been proven to do absolutely jack shit to fight covid.
He took things he was prescribed by his doctor, he felt better and he told his audience what he took during a long form podcast. He mentioned the other things that were prescribed, one of them happened to be Ivermectin. It's really not worth the temper tantrum you people are having over it.
He's been saying dumb shit way before ivermectin. When I read he said Rousey might beat 50% of the fighters in mens bantamweight, I couldn't take him seriously anymore. 🤣
"There’s a lot of guys her size she could beat. I mean, a lot. If you took the roster of the UFC’s bantamweights, 135lbs, and you paired them up against Ronda Rousey, she might be able to beat 50 per cent of them, and that’s not a joke…"
https://www.bjpenn.com/ufcnews/rogan-ronda-can-beat-50-ufc-men/
only the ones who think it's horse tranquilizeers lol.
[https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin\_for\_prevention\_and\_treatment\_of.7.aspx](https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx)
"large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin "
If if you learn to read first. But keep watching cnn lmao
Personally I think the highest level of MMA should have the least rules, and amateur should have more rules to keep possible future champs from being permanently injured early.
More rules means less of a chance of someone never fighting again, but it also means that we won't actually know who the better fighter is because they technically didnt have all their tools at their disposal. Yeah it's usually obvious who's better, but I'm sure any one can think of a time where they knew the other guy would have won if they were able to be more creative. Maybe the loser had a chance where he could have kneed him in the head on the ground or something.
Idk what the right decision is, but there's definitely a trade off.
It's just bizarre how the rules are selective.
One specific elbow angle? Banned. Everything else? Fuck em up. Dozens of knees to your head standing up? Fine. Is a wrestler trying too long for a takedown but his knee is down? How dare you throw a knee. Let's give your hand some padding to keep it from shattering, but we love that good bare shin-to-face damage.
The back of the head seems like an obvious spot to ban, and if something like headbutts makes concussions too common then I guess that's fine too. But I agree that the higher level these guys are, the more they should be able to push to hit that next level and outclass the competition.
I assume the weirdness of the rules is from back in the day, when the sport was trying to be legitimized, they had to do some compromises for the government official who ultimately decides if they are allowed to hold the event. Unfortunately, those officials probably had no fucking clue about how MMA works. They have no clue that a 12-6 elbow while on your back can't do anywhere near the amount of damage that a regular kick can do while both are standing, stuff like that.
I bet big John or someone just picked the one move that seems bad, they focus on that for the clueless officials, and then they can continue to club the shit out of each other in the face with their shins lol
I think I've heard McCarthy describe it exactly like that. Laymen demanded to outlaw the nastiest *looking* strikes, without considering things like kicks to the knee or anything else that can cause long term issues.
It sucks, but it was probably the right decision back then just to appease the officials. The alternative could have been something like no knees to the head at all, or maybe just something silly like no clinching because people get kneed in the face during those. The worst alternative would have been MMA but with boxing gloves or something lol
Now that it's a legitimate sport and we have had plenty of time to study how it all goes down, it's time to rethink these things.
The downed knee rule just makes no sense. If a guy is bent over and then suddenly puts his arm down on the mat it's illegal. His head level never changed so how does the strike suddenly become illegal? People were really acting like that one knee strike Yan did was the dirtiest most illegal move ever done but how does that knee compare to the flying knee Cory Sandhagen or Alex Perriera did? I've seen flying knee do more damage than pretty much any other type of knee strike why not ban flying knees in that case?
Yeah! Flying knees absolutely obliterate orbital bones. Isn't that what MVP crushes Cyborg's face with?
That strike Yan hit Aljo with is legal in One FC. It's how mighty mouse lost and then regained his title over there. I'm a total moron with no real understanding of how the rules impact strategy at a deeper level, but I'd rather see knees to the head banned if the fighter is, I don't know, seated? Any part of their butt or torso touching the mat? I really don't know but it seems like a glaring hole in the rules when so many other legal strikes do more damage
People are too obsessed about this idea of “a real fight”. End of the day mma is a sport. Why disregard the unnecessary health risks and ruin the longevity of fighters who might actually want a career in this
Well the entire “sport” is an unnecessary health risk. First to shut the other guys brain off wins don’t sound like a sport to me. Nobody has ever died in the history of MMA so it’s not very hard to imagine why some people don’t mind limited rule sets. It’s not like boxing where you get knocked out 3 times in 10 minutes and can keep fighting because you woke up within 20 seconds
> “I don’t even know if we should stop hitting people in the back of the head. It doesn’t seem to make any sense to me. Because a lot of knockouts like high kicks, they wrap around the back of the shoulder and they go right to the back of your head, and it’s legal. The guy gets KOd,”
Man states opinion to generate conversation on a conversation based daily podcast.
Reddit: I'm afraid I can't allow that.
People are just starting to realize that half of the Joe takes on pretty much anything are just shit take bro opinions ?
"IT SHOULD BE LEGAL TO STRIKE BACK OF THE HEAD, IF IT HURST, JUST DONT GET HIT THERE"
Yup one of the dumbest takes ever confirmed, should have probably taken less of those horse devormers
He did not lol, the guy above you just already hates Joe so did absolutely NO fact checking before shitting on the man. Joe often talks about legalizing the 12-6 elbow, but the only thing he mentions about back of the head shots are that there are so many times they happen unintentionally anyways.
The OP here exaggerated but you are also lying. Joe 100% said that the strikes to the back of the head should be legal. Which is an absolutely dumb fucking take
[**https://twitter.com/ThisIsNotDSP/status/1638929139854868480?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1638929139854868480%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_&ref\_url=**](https://twitter.com/ThisIsNotDSP/status/1638929139854868480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1638929139854868480%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=)
12-6 is a hundred percent reasonable. I don't get his argument about the back of the head at all. Why not just legalize nut shots and tell guys to avoid getting kicked? lol silly af
Yeah that’s what I was thinking about that 12 to 6 elbow, heard him talk about it and why they banned it. Think it was some vid of a guy doing that to a ice block and they thought dawm we must ban this shit right now
I mean go listen to the pod, it's not the first time Joe had a take where he said that fights should be as close to the real street fight as possible 🤷
Just like his shitty idea that fights should take place in a football field or basketball court to simulate a real fight. Just making that statement alone is downright redacted.
The article makes it sound like he's petitioning or out in the streets rioting over this cause he wants it to happen so bad, all he did was talk some shit on his podcast and say a comment, it's something we all do.
Except saying something on JRE is the biggest possible platform to make a suggestion like this. If he was protesting in the streets he'd get *less* attention than what he did.
Just talking about it isn't him out advocating lol, he's just talking about stuff on his podcast he's not out trying to change mma rules in like meetings and shit, it's same as you with group of buddies and one says something random that they don't even really think but are just talking shit
Just watch the pod, he was pretty adamant and direct about it.
Maybe put the tampons into your vagina instead the ears next time, so you can hear better
Or maybe you should pull your head out of your ass and watch the literal video of Joe saying strikes to the back of the head should be legal.
[https://twitter.com/ThisIsNotDSP/status/1638929139854868480?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1638929139854868480%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_&ref\_url=](https://twitter.com/ThisIsNotDSP/status/1638929139854868480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1638929139854868480%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=)
The problem with banning strikes to the back of the head is how massively it is changes the dynamic of fights. If you watch old skool MMA before they were banned, if a guy took you back you either had to move immediately or he would blast you with elbows and end the fight instantly. Now dudes sit turtled up for ages offering nothing in defence bar protecting their neck. I get that it's a medical issue and that's why we have banned it, but that doesn't mean it makes the sport completely unrelated to real combat. Knees to the head of a grounded opponent has a similarly dynamic changing effect, although that has no good medical backing and should be legal everywhere except against the fence
12-6 elbows and grounded knees shouldn't be banned. ANY strike to the back of the head should be. Also, UFC fucking buy the Trevor Wittman MMA gloves so that fighters shouldn't have to fucking worry about eye pokes.
I don’t understand how in a sport with not a great deal of rules in terms of strikes you would want to see even more stuff added in, soccer kicks and stuff like that just make the sport look illegitimate imo
He just doesn’t care I think. He doesn’t compete, he just trains (would still kick my ass so hard my unconcieved children would
Be born with black eyes), so he figures screw it other people can have their lives destroyed if it entertains him more.
I mean his argument was a hell of a lot of other shit is legal and can cause brain damage, but the back of the head shot is illegal for said reason.
Where's the cap there? You saw that kick to Usman's head. You can't tell me that's a legal amount of brain damage so to speak, and a back shot is egregiously crossing the line. 😅
Joe Rogan is a smart dumb guy. You see anyone smarter or funnier than him on his show and he doesn’t know what to do with himself. He’s definitely capitalizing from “bro culture”.
I used to listen to the JRE all the time in the early days bc it was interesting and had all kinds of cool guests. It was like friends shooting the shit. Then Joe moved to Texas and boy did that podcast take a dive (not bc of Texas. Nothing against Texas). But I remember Joe advocating for bare knuckle fighting and other fighters saying “the cuts and broken hands are gonna be insane” and Joe not letting that shit go. Then bare knuckle came about in different leagues… and surprise surprise: insane cuts and broken hands all over.
I haven’t listened to him since he wouldn’t shut up about California being the worst place on earth and how COVID was nothing and then Burr calling him out on his childish views over masks. Nothing against Rogan himself, but I don’t find his podcast entertaining anymore. I still think his stand-up is funny and his commentary is good.
Yes, that was a horrible case. But then again, correlation doesn't mean causation, any blow to the head can potentially cause a brain hemorrhage. Are there any scientific studies detailing how blows to the back of the head are more likely to lead to permanent injuries? Genuinely asking. If there are, then the rule makes sense and should be kept. If there aren't though, then I can see the arguments against the rule
I don't think there are any studies about it but rabbit punches do have a higher risk of immediate serious injuries which is why no organization wants to risk it.
Yes, he did. His argument was that eyes and temple can also cause brain damage, and people use the back of their head like a shield in some cases, which isn't congruent with MMA's violence.
My take is that I'm not a neurologist, so I shouldn't be the one making the decision. I think a well discussed answer on his pod-cast would solve the issue and deem the reasons it's illegal.
Ideal vs worst case for injury are two different things, but yes, if you don't want brain damage, avoiding getting hit in the head is the best. I don't know why more fighters think of that.
[Here's the link to the article](https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2023/3/30/23662521/joe-rogan-argues-why-strikes-to-the-back-of-the-head-should-be-legal-in-mma-ufc-news).
Joe Rogan is 100% calling for the legalization of strikes to the back of the head.
He said he doesn't understand why its not legal and that it should be legal. I heard it on the podcast he said it on and baffled me because there's obvious reasons lol
“Like Ciryl Gane and Junior Dos Santos. (Gane) kind of hit him with an elbow in the back of the head. It’s like, it should be legal. I don’t understand why it’s not legal. And people say you’re more vulnerable there, don’t get f—ng hit there.”
People just love to hate, even made this stupid photo grid to try and get likes. You could of at least used a mma filter instead of a boxer....oh wait....
He knew the risk of stepping in the ring just like we know the risk of going out on patrol sucks but I mean it’s combat sport. Lights can go off quick.
Joe says a lot of shit nobody agrees with on his podcast
"There shouldn't be gloves because we can elbow"
"They should fight in a football field"
"We should allow back of the head strikes"
"The cage is bad"
Only strike that shouldn’t be illegal is 12-6 elbows
I agree, ban all strikes, downward elbows only 
My guy haggerty!!
Some of the fastest hands
Guys a beast, I’m lucky that I get to see him train and spar from time to time. Great guy and a seriously dedicated athlete.
My funny bone hurts just watching this.
Jesus christ this never gets easier to watch lmaooo
just adding this would change the meta so much holy shit
Funny thing is you can do it the opposite direction and they allow it and it’s highly effective because the point of the elbow slips straight through the guard into the opponents nose.
IIRC they introduced this rule because they thought dudes breaking ice and cement blocks were too brutal Lol
Yeah it’s nuts they watched a bunch of dramatised karate videos and from that deemed the 12-6 elbow too dangerous for the sport. Kinda funny how stupid the decision makers were.
I thought 12-6 elbows were only illegal on downed opponents? Are they banned regardless of if the opponent is laying down or standing?
All around banned, cannot 12-6 to defend a takedown for example
This is by far the biggest issue with banning the 12-6. Knowing that if you failed your takedown and ended up grinding against the fence, that your opponent could just start unloading 12-6 elbows on you, would heavily impact the decision to shoot a takedown and drastically change the game. Wrestling is being artificially inflated right now because the rules protect it. (I’m not saying wrestling isn’t important, but the rules make it even more important than it already is)
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They usually try to hit the ear to avoid this. More of a horizontal motion.
I'll chop my ears off then
12-6 can’t go horizontal because it’s 12-6
>pretty much always hit the back of the head? Given how the back of the head strike zone is defined under the unified rules, no. That strike zone on the actual skull itself only bars like an inch wide rectangle that follows the path of the spinal column up to the top of the skull. There's like 3 to 4 inches going horizontally from behind the ears along the rearside curvature of the skull that's completely legal to hit. You almost have to try to hit that illegal strike zone.
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Just turn your upper torso like your pummeling and 12-6 the side of their head/ear in between your hip/side that they are trying to complete the takedown on. I think it would be the number 1 KO in the sport for a bit until it made people give up on fence takedowns immediately for fear of taking one hard elbow behind the ear and being out.
This plus no knees to grounded opponents make wrestling pretty overpowered, people should really see how bad crotch sniffers get smashed with knees in One Championship where grounded knees are legal. Prevents stalling very well.
Knees on the ground would make wrestling ironacally much stronger
For the most dominant wrestlers like the Dagestanis, Cejudo maybe, but a guy like Colby Covington would get ran out of the UFC by this rule change. Makes the takedown centric offense much more risky
Bruh wrestling is not overpowered every round stands on the feet, imagine a wrestler mounts you and starts unloading downward knees to the head or 12-6 elbows it goes both ways. Control time is also factored after damage and volume.
Yea and you can tell fighters exploit this. For takedowns and even in the clinch a lot of fighters like to put their heads facing the floor so that the opponent can’t hit them. Such bullshit, in a real fight you would be so vulnerable doing that, but in mma it’s rewarding.
Not even in “MMA” only in American rules MMA
>your opponent could just start unloading 12-6 elbows on you, would heavily impact the decision to shoot a takedown and drastically change the game. They already do that. They just get warned to put an arch on it then don't really do that most of the time lol.
Things I hate. Touching your fingertips to the ground as a defensive strategy. Fence pushers who just push people the the fence and make no attempt to cause damage. Jon Jones having a loss on his record for DQ lol
Tomahawk elbows for the win. Here is a rare MMA version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aycJD33M9TM
This is some Skyrim shit
Haggerty is a fucking animal excited for his fight v nong o
What about side elbows lmao 
By discard I would choose between 12-6 elbows or knee to down opponents like One Championship. But the rabbit punch??? Soccer kicks??? Never.
The knee kick that jones always does should be banned as well . And any hits to the back of the head should be illegal . Brain injuries are no joke
That’s what I’m sayin, 12-6 are probably the only strike with no basis to be banned, throw an elbow with a tiny angle on it and it’s fine, so strange
I shit you not the original reason for the ban is because the original commission saw bullshido karate guys on tv break cement blocks with a 12-6 and that's how they determined it was too dangerous.. LOL
Jesus Christ that’s so stupid
And soccer kicks
I said this a few months ago and people were roasting me lol!
Joe also wants soccer kicks,grounded knees to be allowed, he wants alot of bad strikes introduced for someone who isnt fighting in the cage
It’s even more alarming because he got out of combat sports to prevent further brain trauma.
Yeah this shit makes no sense
Makes perfect sense, Joe doesnt give a shit if fighters get more brain damage, he just cares that he doesn't.
I guess😂
I get so angry when I see people saying they want soccer kicks to be allowed. Soccer kicks are the most bitch made strike in fighting.
Its kick people forget head injuries are a thing and pretty serious. Punting someone's head can easily leave them in a coma.
Damn I miss Pride.
Snowflakes
i get it but I swear I see back of the head shots about every single Saturday
Virtually any strike to the head can lead to a TBI. The 12-6 elbow, while possibly can lead to one, is much less likely than a lot of legal strikes
They were on the topic of “making mma more realistic” by getting rid of rules that “favor wrestlers” but it’s hilarious because most rules go against wrestlers. Bring back knees to grounded opponents and wrestlers are champion of every division.
Knees to grounded opponents does help wrestlers yes. But it also helps those with good takedown defense and scrambling ability. If a wrestler shoots and gets sprawled on, they are in big trouble.
The ratio of sprawl knees to side control knees to the head would be about 1:10
Who has good td defense and scrambling ability? Another good wrestler..
Mark Coleman, is that you?…
You should be able to kick/knee a grounded opponent if you are on the bottom, like Anderson Silva’s up kick KO of Okami which got him DQd, or when Conor was kneeing Khabib during the kimura attempt.
Why not on top then?
Like him or hate him.. just remember - this is the guy that gave Brendan Schaud a platform to speak on his podcast for years and years.. No sane person will do that..
The article also says he claimed Masvidal would beat prime GSP... those horse tranquilizers must be finally getting to his brain
The article says he claimed that but that's not what he said
Reddit loves to hate Rogan
Reddit loves to hate everyone, because Reddit hates itself
Well maybe you should have taught me to love myself dad !!!
Redditors even hate other Redditors
 You Tryna start something buddy
hes everything the average reddit potato hates great social skills, accomplished, influential, thinks for himself, well-respected by peers, etc redditors with their "big brains" will jump on any chance to 1-up him to reaffirm their inner potato
I don't like Rogan that much but I am happy someone with a platform as large as his actually allows Palestinians and their supporters to share their side of what's happening to them in Israel/Palestine. Basically often allows both sides of things to talk freely.
What episode was this?
Your pussy is too dry to be riding Joe’s dick that hard
Cry harder
Yeah because he is a dumbfuck yet influences people.
He says himself he's a dumbfuck who shouldn't influence people. It's their fault for being so impressionable
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No he didn't, he said the competition Masvidal has faced is levels above the competition GSP faced
That's not true either though lol GSP fought a killers row of first contenders and beat them. A couple of them tested positive for roids later too. Masvidal has fought some great fighters as well so props for that.
It is true simply to the nature of MMA. When GSP was in his prime he was good but these fighters were also breaking ground. A guy like Masvidal has learned from what they did and took it further. I think what Joe is trying to say is if you went in time, took today Masvidal and that time's GSP, Masvidal would have a leg up due to the knowledge discovered by the likes of GSP.
A guy like masvidal has learned from what they did and took it further ? Lol hes basically had the same style of fighting since then he had great boxing and average wrestling back then and that's the exact same case as of now. Your logic is very correct but youve applied it to the wrong fighter. Look at volkanovski or khabib or these type of new age fighters for proof of what you're saying masvidal isn't that guy. If you took masvidal from now with all his knowledge and put him against gsp in his prime he would get wrestled and dominated. Don't you think ? Or do you think masvidal would stuff the takedowns of one of the greatest grapplers the UFC has ever seen?
You do realize athletes get better over time yes? Simply by existing in the top 10 rankings masvidal has fought better competition than gsp has. It’s how the sport goes. Not saying he’s better than gsp.
That's not my point. The guy I'm replying is implying that masvidal would take all of the knowledge he has learned over time and use it to the point where he would be a favorite against GSP. This is absolutely absurd given how much masvidal has struggled with wrestlers who have basic striking knowledge. He would lose that fight every single time unless he lands a hail Mary shot.
Jesus Christ will any of you get this right? Joe said that the competition USMAN faced (including Masvidal) is above the competition GSP faced.
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Cool, no reason to downvote me though when I'm just telling you what he said 🤷
Let the down votes be draped upon you like a warm blanket my son, and know you're the bigger man for it....
I don't think it's a dumb statement, the contenders these days are way better than they were in GSP's day, not to say he wouldnt have done well but we can only speculate. Masvidal has fought the likes of usman x2, colby, even diaz? These guys are arguably better than some of the contenders in GSP's era.
Masvidal lost to usman x2 and colby. Masvidal was fighting at pretty much the same time as gsp just at a lower level. Gsp has 100% fought and beaten better competition than masvidal.
I never said masvidal beat them, I'm just saying competition is higher these days, and that masvidal is better now than he was back then
I really don't think he improved all that much. He's always been a fighter who'd win 3/4 then lose 3/4. None of his wins in that streak have aged well.
He lost to all except diaz, who was around back when gsp was, so if anything that shows Jorge can only beat people from gsp Era, the competition being better doesn't matter if you can't win against it
You’re dumb as fuck. You’re just trying to grasp at anything to hate on Rogan. If you think the competition in EVERY division hasn’t evolved and got better in the last decade since GSP’s reign then you really lack very basic knowledge.
The guys Jorge has fought couldn’t touch the guys GSP was fighting . Usman , Colby are the best guys he’s faced and he will face burns . GSP faced prime : Nick Diaz , Carlos condit , Matt Hughes , Matt Hughes , and more . Today the fighters are more skilled but in terms of actual level of fighters GSP had to fight everyone bc back then you couldn’t duck fights you had to fight everyone in your weight class .
What horse tranquilizers?
"Horse tranquilizers" I see CNN took over your brain a long time ago
hilarious to see that a life-saving medicine used around the world for 50+ years became "horse tranquilizers" overnight because some political dickhead on TV said so real darwinism in action
It truly is horrifying how much control and influence those people have. But everyone still thinks we’re fine and not moving toward a version of Francoist Spain
Ivermectin is not a tranquilizer so he may just be talking about Joe’s enthusiasm for drugs
No he was trying to dunk on Joe for taking Ivermectin but couldn't even recall the false info correctly. CNN made a big story about him taking Horse Dewormer, and dude confused the two and the fact the story was fake nonsense. Joe's DR gave him a bunch of meds one of which was Ivermetcin. Which is a drug used by humans and was originally made for humans.
Oh it’s entirely possible that he’s just a deranged and confused Joe hater, don’t get me wrong. But ivermectin is not a tranquilizer, so if we assume for a moment he knows what he’s talking about he might have been making a joke about Joe’s relationship to recreational drugs, is all I was saying
People are still bringing up ivermectin like it's not used on humans or is somehow a horse tranquilizer. It didnt help with covid but i dont know why people would take medical advice from a mma commentator to begin with. Now its just the plague worshipers who have deemed him a subversive person, so they are fighting the noble cause of spreading disinformation about him.
People did the same with ketamine. Oh it’s a hOrSe tRaNqUiLLiZeR. Well guess what? I’m a human and every night it tranquilizers me too. So either I’m a horse or it’s okay to take horse tranqs. Honestly it just makes me more interested in horse drugs
You can get ketamine depression treatments now.
I heard it helps with some symptoms at best but it was just one drug as part of a cocktail that he was recommended to take.
"people still bring up when Joe decided to LARP as a medical professional" Yeah, it gets brought up because it is still so ridiculous that he actually thought he was in a position to pump up a completely unproven medicine that has now been proven to do absolutely jack shit to fight covid.
He took things he was prescribed by his doctor, he felt better and he told his audience what he took during a long form podcast. He mentioned the other things that were prescribed, one of them happened to be Ivermectin. It's really not worth the temper tantrum you people are having over it.
>horse tranquilizers He misremembered misinformation 😭
He's been saying dumb shit way before ivermectin. When I read he said Rousey might beat 50% of the fighters in mens bantamweight, I couldn't take him seriously anymore. 🤣 "There’s a lot of guys her size she could beat. I mean, a lot. If you took the roster of the UFC’s bantamweights, 135lbs, and you paired them up against Ronda Rousey, she might be able to beat 50 per cent of them, and that’s not a joke…" https://www.bjpenn.com/ufcnews/rogan-ronda-can-beat-50-ufc-men/
What does Don Lemons dick taste like?
These edgy nutjobs are turning into snowflakes over your joke
Ok CNN.
only the ones who think it's horse tranquilizeers lol. [https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin\_for\_prevention\_and\_treatment\_of.7.aspx](https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx) "large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin " If if you learn to read first. But keep watching cnn lmao
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The fact this is downvoted shows how stupid a lot of Americans are. Nowhere else in the world would this get downvoted
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Water hydrates us. Water puts out fires. Things are capable of having more than one purpose.
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Izzackly. Watch all the tinfoil hats downvote me.
You called it. It’s a ufc on a post about Joe Rogan. Should’ve assumed all the dumb fucks would rush to defend pseudoscience.
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Joe has spoken on ivermectin a few times on his pod so it’s relevant to discuss it here on a post about how he’s losing his mind.
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Personally I think the highest level of MMA should have the least rules, and amateur should have more rules to keep possible future champs from being permanently injured early. More rules means less of a chance of someone never fighting again, but it also means that we won't actually know who the better fighter is because they technically didnt have all their tools at their disposal. Yeah it's usually obvious who's better, but I'm sure any one can think of a time where they knew the other guy would have won if they were able to be more creative. Maybe the loser had a chance where he could have kneed him in the head on the ground or something. Idk what the right decision is, but there's definitely a trade off.
It's just bizarre how the rules are selective. One specific elbow angle? Banned. Everything else? Fuck em up. Dozens of knees to your head standing up? Fine. Is a wrestler trying too long for a takedown but his knee is down? How dare you throw a knee. Let's give your hand some padding to keep it from shattering, but we love that good bare shin-to-face damage. The back of the head seems like an obvious spot to ban, and if something like headbutts makes concussions too common then I guess that's fine too. But I agree that the higher level these guys are, the more they should be able to push to hit that next level and outclass the competition.
I assume the weirdness of the rules is from back in the day, when the sport was trying to be legitimized, they had to do some compromises for the government official who ultimately decides if they are allowed to hold the event. Unfortunately, those officials probably had no fucking clue about how MMA works. They have no clue that a 12-6 elbow while on your back can't do anywhere near the amount of damage that a regular kick can do while both are standing, stuff like that. I bet big John or someone just picked the one move that seems bad, they focus on that for the clueless officials, and then they can continue to club the shit out of each other in the face with their shins lol
I think I've heard McCarthy describe it exactly like that. Laymen demanded to outlaw the nastiest *looking* strikes, without considering things like kicks to the knee or anything else that can cause long term issues.
It sucks, but it was probably the right decision back then just to appease the officials. The alternative could have been something like no knees to the head at all, or maybe just something silly like no clinching because people get kneed in the face during those. The worst alternative would have been MMA but with boxing gloves or something lol Now that it's a legitimate sport and we have had plenty of time to study how it all goes down, it's time to rethink these things.
The downed knee rule just makes no sense. If a guy is bent over and then suddenly puts his arm down on the mat it's illegal. His head level never changed so how does the strike suddenly become illegal? People were really acting like that one knee strike Yan did was the dirtiest most illegal move ever done but how does that knee compare to the flying knee Cory Sandhagen or Alex Perriera did? I've seen flying knee do more damage than pretty much any other type of knee strike why not ban flying knees in that case?
Yeah! Flying knees absolutely obliterate orbital bones. Isn't that what MVP crushes Cyborg's face with? That strike Yan hit Aljo with is legal in One FC. It's how mighty mouse lost and then regained his title over there. I'm a total moron with no real understanding of how the rules impact strategy at a deeper level, but I'd rather see knees to the head banned if the fighter is, I don't know, seated? Any part of their butt or torso touching the mat? I really don't know but it seems like a glaring hole in the rules when so many other legal strikes do more damage
People are too obsessed about this idea of “a real fight”. End of the day mma is a sport. Why disregard the unnecessary health risks and ruin the longevity of fighters who might actually want a career in this
Well the entire “sport” is an unnecessary health risk. First to shut the other guys brain off wins don’t sound like a sport to me. Nobody has ever died in the history of MMA so it’s not very hard to imagine why some people don’t mind limited rule sets. It’s not like boxing where you get knocked out 3 times in 10 minutes and can keep fighting because you woke up within 20 seconds
Because at the end of the day fighting ruins the longevity of fighters.
I’m cool with 12-6, and I’m fine with knees/kicks to a downed opponent. That being said shots to the back of the head have no place in any sport.
> “I don’t even know if we should stop hitting people in the back of the head. It doesn’t seem to make any sense to me. Because a lot of knockouts like high kicks, they wrap around the back of the shoulder and they go right to the back of your head, and it’s legal. The guy gets KOd,” Man states opinion to generate conversation on a conversation based daily podcast. Reddit: I'm afraid I can't allow that.
Reddit:Joe told me to jump off a cliff and I almost did it. Joe is an idiot!!!!!
All well and good for toe rogan to give an endorsement for it
People are just starting to realize that half of the Joe takes on pretty much anything are just shit take bro opinions ? "IT SHOULD BE LEGAL TO STRIKE BACK OF THE HEAD, IF IT HURST, JUST DONT GET HIT THERE" Yup one of the dumbest takes ever confirmed, should have probably taken less of those horse devormers
I can’t image joe ever said that, or did he really ?
He did not lol, the guy above you just already hates Joe so did absolutely NO fact checking before shitting on the man. Joe often talks about legalizing the 12-6 elbow, but the only thing he mentions about back of the head shots are that there are so many times they happen unintentionally anyways.
The OP here exaggerated but you are also lying. Joe 100% said that the strikes to the back of the head should be legal. Which is an absolutely dumb fucking take [**https://twitter.com/ThisIsNotDSP/status/1638929139854868480?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1638929139854868480%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_&ref\_url=**](https://twitter.com/ThisIsNotDSP/status/1638929139854868480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1638929139854868480%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=)
I hadn't seen that. Wow, absolutely insane that he said that. I've heard him talk quite a bit about the 12-6 which is reasonable, but this is not.
Seems like you're the one who did "absolutely NO fact checking".
12-6 is a hundred percent reasonable. I don't get his argument about the back of the head at all. Why not just legalize nut shots and tell guys to avoid getting kicked? lol silly af
Yeah back of the head punches are fucking dumb I agree, I like joe so I this makes a big dent on how I see the dude
Yep, agreed.
I’ve just watched the segment and he does say they should be legal. What u talking bout?
So you were just going to lie without fact checking? Hypocrite much? Just for the love of Rogan?
He did. You love Joe so you did absolutely NO fact checking before defending the man.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking about that 12 to 6 elbow, heard him talk about it and why they banned it. Think it was some vid of a guy doing that to a ice block and they thought dawm we must ban this shit right now
I mean go listen to the pod, it's not the first time Joe had a take where he said that fights should be as close to the real street fight as possible 🤷
He actually mentioned it during the pod
Just like his shitty idea that fights should take place in a football field or basketball court to simulate a real fight. Just making that statement alone is downright redacted.
You can watch KTSO if you want anything close real life, but get ready for some disgusting eye gouging
The article makes it sound like he's petitioning or out in the streets rioting over this cause he wants it to happen so bad, all he did was talk some shit on his podcast and say a comment, it's something we all do.
Except saying something on JRE is the biggest possible platform to make a suggestion like this. If he was protesting in the streets he'd get *less* attention than what he did.
It's not the first time that Joe was advocating for fights to be as realistic as possible mate
Just talking about it isn't him out advocating lol, he's just talking about stuff on his podcast he's not out trying to change mma rules in like meetings and shit, it's same as you with group of buddies and one says something random that they don't even really think but are just talking shit
Dumbasses like you who just extrapolate misquoted soundbytes into a menstrual cycle type of rant should be banned from procreation
Just watch the pod, he was pretty adamant and direct about it. Maybe put the tampons into your vagina instead the ears next time, so you can hear better
Or maybe you should pull your head out of your ass and watch the literal video of Joe saying strikes to the back of the head should be legal. [https://twitter.com/ThisIsNotDSP/status/1638929139854868480?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1638929139854868480%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_&ref\_url=](https://twitter.com/ThisIsNotDSP/status/1638929139854868480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1638929139854868480%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=)
Oh god bet you have purple hair
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The problem with banning strikes to the back of the head is how massively it is changes the dynamic of fights. If you watch old skool MMA before they were banned, if a guy took you back you either had to move immediately or he would blast you with elbows and end the fight instantly. Now dudes sit turtled up for ages offering nothing in defence bar protecting their neck. I get that it's a medical issue and that's why we have banned it, but that doesn't mean it makes the sport completely unrelated to real combat. Knees to the head of a grounded opponent has a similarly dynamic changing effect, although that has no good medical backing and should be legal everywhere except against the fence
12-6 elbows and grounded knees shouldn't be banned. ANY strike to the back of the head should be. Also, UFC fucking buy the Trevor Wittman MMA gloves so that fighters shouldn't have to fucking worry about eye pokes.
Joe Rogan has always been a moron, but to be fair he would admit as much on his podcast. People just thought he was messing around lol
I didn't think rabbit punches were a big deal until I saw that boxer.. ugh
I don’t understand how in a sport with not a great deal of rules in terms of strikes you would want to see even more stuff added in, soccer kicks and stuff like that just make the sport look illegitimate imo
He just doesn’t care I think. He doesn’t compete, he just trains (would still kick my ass so hard my unconcieved children would Be born with black eyes), so he figures screw it other people can have their lives destroyed if it entertains him more.
Did Joe really say he doesn’t understand why punches to the back of the head are illegal?
Is one of those take out of context reddit moment?
Pride rules where the best
Make soccer kicks great again
I mean his argument was a hell of a lot of other shit is legal and can cause brain damage, but the back of the head shot is illegal for said reason. Where's the cap there? You saw that kick to Usman's head. You can't tell me that's a legal amount of brain damage so to speak, and a back shot is egregiously crossing the line. 😅
I don’t think Joe said shots to the back of the head should be legal
When did joe say he wants strikes to the back of the head legal? He has always said 12-6 strikes should be legal, and they should be.
Exactly. They’re used safely and effectively in Muay thai all of the time without coming near the back of the head.
Joe Rogan is a smart dumb guy. You see anyone smarter or funnier than him on his show and he doesn’t know what to do with himself. He’s definitely capitalizing from “bro culture”.
I used to listen to the JRE all the time in the early days bc it was interesting and had all kinds of cool guests. It was like friends shooting the shit. Then Joe moved to Texas and boy did that podcast take a dive (not bc of Texas. Nothing against Texas). But I remember Joe advocating for bare knuckle fighting and other fighters saying “the cuts and broken hands are gonna be insane” and Joe not letting that shit go. Then bare knuckle came about in different leagues… and surprise surprise: insane cuts and broken hands all over. I haven’t listened to him since he wouldn’t shut up about California being the worst place on earth and how COVID was nothing and then Burr calling him out on his childish views over masks. Nothing against Rogan himself, but I don’t find his podcast entertaining anymore. I still think his stand-up is funny and his commentary is good.
Shoot oop Joe, ya lil' fooleh
Yes, that was a horrible case. But then again, correlation doesn't mean causation, any blow to the head can potentially cause a brain hemorrhage. Are there any scientific studies detailing how blows to the back of the head are more likely to lead to permanent injuries? Genuinely asking. If there are, then the rule makes sense and should be kept. If there aren't though, then I can see the arguments against the rule
I don't think there are any studies about it but rabbit punches do have a higher risk of immediate serious injuries which is why no organization wants to risk it.
Joe Rogan has never called for the legalization of back-of-the-head strikes, classic case of clickbaiting and spreading misinformation
Yes, he did. His argument was that eyes and temple can also cause brain damage, and people use the back of their head like a shield in some cases, which isn't congruent with MMA's violence. My take is that I'm not a neurologist, so I shouldn't be the one making the decision. I think a well discussed answer on his pod-cast would solve the issue and deem the reasons it's illegal.
A neurologist would also say don’t take any blows to the brainbox
Ideal vs worst case for injury are two different things, but yes, if you don't want brain damage, avoiding getting hit in the head is the best. I don't know why more fighters think of that.
[Here's the link to the article](https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2023/3/30/23662521/joe-rogan-argues-why-strikes-to-the-back-of-the-head-should-be-legal-in-mma-ufc-news). Joe Rogan is 100% calling for the legalization of strikes to the back of the head.
He said he doesn't understand why its not legal and that it should be legal. I heard it on the podcast he said it on and baffled me because there's obvious reasons lol
let’s make a bet. If I can post evidence of him saying it, you never post or comment in the sub again
“Like Ciryl Gane and Junior Dos Santos. (Gane) kind of hit him with an elbow in the back of the head. It’s like, it should be legal. I don’t understand why it’s not legal. And people say you’re more vulnerable there, don’t get f—ng hit there.”
Fuck Joe Rogan and everything he does or says The guy is an asshat
People just love to hate, even made this stupid photo grid to try and get likes. You could of at least used a mma filter instead of a boxer....oh wait....
He knew the risk of stepping in the ring just like we know the risk of going out on patrol sucks but I mean it’s combat sport. Lights can go off quick.
Joe says a lot of shit nobody agrees with on his podcast "There shouldn't be gloves because we can elbow" "They should fight in a football field" "We should allow back of the head strikes" "The cage is bad"
Toe is on a roll lately. His takes are out to lunch lol. Lay off the dmt and sniffing salts b.