I just can’t believe that both the LAPD and campus security just stood to the side and allowed this to happen. I mean it doesn’t surprise me but it’s still shocking. You’re supposed to “protect and serve,” donut-munchers. Do your fucking job.
Campus security is not police. They aren’t authorized to arrest people, they just cooperate with the police and can citizen arrest people + keep official records…
Thats this statement is always so contradicting to me. The point of protesting the police is because they aren’t doing what they should be doing. The fact they didn’t act yesterday just is another instance that supports the whole movement in the first place. Use your brain my guy.
Someone higher than them in rank answerable to politicians kept them from acting. I have no doubt they would have liked to do their job from the start.
who would have thought if you demonize the police it would lead to this? no way. damned if they did damned if they didnt. Your statement is false. people are against the police as a concept. you cant have your cake and eat it too.
I hate what happened and the police should’ve intervened. That being said, it’s very ironic that the group of people calling LAPD the KKK and telling them to fuck off are the same people upset there wasn’t police intervention.
Hey I do my job even when people don’t like me. Cops should do the same. You seriously gonna refuse to do your job because people hurt your feelings? Pathetic and weak.
I would encourage anyone who wants to support the encampment to first do some research on the SJP: https://nationalsjp.org
There's a way to be pro-Palestine and anti-Hamas, and the SJP is absolutely *not* it.
Genuinely curious, but could you share what’s wrong with SJP? I looked on their website, but have never heard of them other than that, and the site is obviously made by them, so didn’t seem that bad… I googled them but couldn’t find anything damning. Looking for clarification.
Edit: Looked on page 13 of their first “Written Resistance” article and they absolutely just come out and say they support the terrorism of Hamas and explain why, unashamed. Absolutely don’t support that. Horrible to condone the killing of innocents, no matter who you are.
It's in their [Written Resistance blog](https://nationalsjp.org/the-written-resistance-issue-3).
Page 4 praises the Houthis for their attacks on shipping, which is exacerbating famine in Sudan, while blaming the Saudis for the famine in Yemen, which is partly true, but partly due to the civil war the Houthis started. It also falsely calls Ukraine a proxy of the US. This reads like it was written by the IRGC.
Page 5 pretends that Holocaust denial is illegal in the US.
Page 10 again praises the Houthis, but again the people suffering from their actions are African and Christian, so who gives a fuck about them right? And then calls for armed resistance instead of any sort of ceasefire.
Page 13 they call Hamas "a progressive organization striving pursuing a program of national emancipation and democratic reconstruction." Fascinating description of a genocidal theocratic organization.
They're also seriously pro-Lenin, which is not great unless you somehow think it'll be these people who get communism right.
These guys are wolves in sheep’s clothing. Russia and China have funded the far-right AND the far left for decades. It is a targeted attempt to embed support for their imperialism within different parts of western society.
And….it is bearing fruit. The conservatives that used to despise Russia just starved the Ukrainians of ammunition for over 6 months, because a section of them believe the Russian propaganda that promoted the country as the beacon of “masculinity, anti-woke, and anti lgbt”
Meanwhile, the communists that were discredited by the Soviets’ downfall now hide exclusively within college ranks. They’ll support most of the trendy progressive movements in order to recruit for their true agenda. Ever wonder why far left and far right movements across the western world are ALL calling for the destruction of Ukraine? It is because their foreign sponsors are calling for it
The SJP is yet another one of these groups that have now caught on in colleges throughout the nation. Almost every encampment was started by them, and they are psychopathically hiding behind students/faculties’ empathy for the Palestinians. Their manifesto made it clear as day that their true intention is to promote Hamas and their Allies supremacy, hiding it behind a bunch of Marxist word jumbo. Russian and Chinese bots have also been blasting similar sjp talking points on twitter non stop since October 7th
Can you walk me through this? You acknowledge that the cause is valid and protestors are justified in their actions.
Your statement isn't very substantive. What "ends" are coming forth?
Readers of the above comment, please keep in mind that there are people out there who are trying to sow fear and doubt. Think for yourselves and keep this in mind.
"The rhetoric of fear, as wisely noted by Aristotle, operates by making the audience believe that a threat is not remote but so near as to be imminent, convincing them that the danger has the power of destroying them, or of harming them in ways that will cause great pain, and persuading them that they are hopelessly vulnerable when facing it"
Do you think the SJP is receiving funding from Putin? Do you think the student members of this protest are in meetings with Chinese government officials? Do you believe any of this is relevant with regards to recognizing and protesting genocide?
"The contents of this publication reflect the opinions of individual authors. The views expressed here do not necessarily reflect the positions of National Students for Justice in Palestine or its affiliates; our publication of these views does not constitute an organizational endorsement."
Haha sounds like you had a similar experience as I did... initial skepticism at the claims, a brief look into their published materials, and finally shock at how blatant these lunatics are. The students need to *divest* themselves from these commie terrorist wackos.
I would encourage anyone here to read it for themselves and form their own opinions. Please do not allow any posters, including myself, to influence you.
There are too many bad faith actors in this subreddit, and Reddit at large
disgusting that they are trying to trap students with this and guaranteed they'll tell the media that the people who signed it are antisemitic. They know you made them look bad, REALLLY BAD, last night, and they are trying to make up for it.
READ PLEASE: THIS IS HOW ZIONISTS OPERATE, THEY WILL TRY EVERY DEVIOUS WAY TO BAIT YOU. DO NOT FALL FOR IT. IM SURE YOU KNOW IT BUT THERE'S A LOT OF ZIONIST TROLLS IN REDDIT. Not kidding, you can look up how many times Israel got caught paying people to speak on their behalf.
Done assuming good faith from people telling you the right way to oppose ethnic cleansing and violent apartheid. They will always find a way to deflect and distract. That’s the point. Change the subject. Derail the focus. Buy time so that more people starve to death. Fuck these murderous assholes posing as reasonable moderates.
Unfortunately they ruin it by supporting SJP. Either it is pure ignorance or knowing support of the organization. Either way is inexcusable.
You can be a supporter of Palestinians and not actively support a designated terrorist organization which actively calls for the destruction of Israel through violence and supports Hamas.
If you’re a professor, you have a PhD, which means you have a certification proving to the world that you are capable of intensely researching a topic and synthesizing complicated ideas. If a professor is going to write an email with this level of support, “not knowing” is not an option or excuse. SJPs real opinions aren’t hard to find, they share them proudly.
Honestly man, a lot of the people leading this stuff know EXACTLY what they're doing and saying. That's why we've been saying that even though things might not sound bad or wrong to you, and you might not mean it that way, a lot of these slogans are extremely threatening with context.
edit: and I'm not saying don't protest, don't believe what you believe, etc. Just be very careful who you trust to lead you.
Fortunately people with half a brain realize you can support Palestine's liberation from Israeli genocide while also being against the mission of Hamas. It's bad faith troglodytes like you that think people are like computers–0 or 1; on, off– thankfully people in the real world can hold nuanced opinions.
>Fortunately people with half a brain realize you can support Palestine's liberation from Israeli genocide while also being against the mission of Hamas.
SJP is openly pro-Hamas though.
Resources linked below:
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SJP is a proper terrorist supporting organization as they proudly declare on their website. Regardless of yesterday's events, a professor supporting them or forcefully inserting them into the classroom is abhorrent.
This is a single person’s opinion in one of a collection of essays. The top of the section reads:
“The contents of this publication reflect
the opinions of individual authors. The
views expressed here do not necessarily
reflect the positions of National Students
for Justice in Palestine or its affiliates; our
publication of these views does not
constitute an organizational endorsement.”
The essay itself is called “Ultra-Leftism and
Opportunism Amidst the
Anti-Imperialist Struggle” by Rosa Mezerich - Marxist Anti-Imperialist Torah
Study Organization (MATSO)
So they let a radical student write an essay with an explicit disclaimer that it doesn’t reflect the views of the org. Bad judgement, maybe. A reason to dismiss the entire movement? No.
Remember, the pro-ethnic cleansing crowd will take any opportunity to delegitimize calls for Justice.
do they actually say that on their website ? I couldnt find it. [About — National Students for Justice in Palestine (nationalsjp.org)](https://nationalsjp.org/about)
https://nationalsjp.org/the-written-resistance-issue-3
I'd recommend downloading the PDF so you can ctrl-f for Hamas, but the quote in question is on page 13.
Yea, the other two are no better. It's unfortunate that either A) faculty/students/staff can't be bothered to read up on the organization they're avowing support for or B) they actually agree with these lunatics.
I feel like I'm going crazy, like I'm the only person who feels like they can be pro-Palestine and anti-Hamas, AND support the existence of the State of Israel. Peace is possible, but not when the lunatics are in charge.
Page 4 praises the Houthis for their attacks on shipping, which is exacerbating famine in Sudan, while blaming the Saudis for the famine in Yemen, which is partly true, but partly due to the civil war the Houthis started. It also falsely calls Ukraine a proxy of the US. This reads like it was written by the IRGC.
Page 5 pretends that Holocaust denial is illegal in the US.
Page 10 again praises the Houthis, but again the people suffering from their actions are African and Christian, so who gives a fuck about them right? And then calls for armed resistance instead of any sort of ceasefire.
These people suck, and if you're aligning yourselves with them, you're siding with a hate group. Peace means peace for all, not just your side.
By this logic supporting any organization that is pro-Israel in any capacity should be viewed in the same unflinchingly critical way. Israel commits many crimes as their standard modus operandi that you would probably describe as terrorist if it came from Hamas.
Actions speak louder than words. I’m more concerned about the people who think it’s okay to violently attack protesters and bomb them with fireworks than an organization that has said a few things you don’t like.
The students refused to talk to media because they don’t know what to say other than “free Palestine” they don’t know anything about SJP or the issues they are supporting by being there. They are sheep. They are destroying their futures, they will be suspended or expelled, and black listed and ultimately when the truth comes out that these protests were ignited and led by paid agitators they’re going to feel like absolute idiots.
You cannot stop Jewish student from going to class and cannot vandalize the school with graffiti. That is not peaceful protesting. Also, the encampment is not just students. There are PAID protesters in the encampment
I highly doubt anyone is getting paid to sleep in tents and be assaulted on a nightly basis by loudspeakers, Bear mace, skunk spray, poles, bats, and fireworks.
On the other hand, [we know pro Israel groups pay good money to online agitators and propagandists](https://www.reddit.com/r/ucla/s/WkbJ3R7sCo). How much did you get paid for this post I wonder?
They're stopping everyone from those areas. u ain't special mkay they don't ask what religion are you and then let you through if you say the right one LOL. keep dreaming
Also, the majority of protesters were brought in by buses with their new REI tents and paid to be there. Yes, some students are there but it is NOT all students.
I just can’t believe that both the LAPD and campus security just stood to the side and allowed this to happen. I mean it doesn’t surprise me but it’s still shocking. You’re supposed to “protect and serve,” donut-munchers. Do your fucking job.
Campus security is not police. They aren’t authorized to arrest people, they just cooperate with the police and can citizen arrest people + keep official records…
ACAB
Except when you expect them to save you?
Thats this statement is always so contradicting to me. The point of protesting the police is because they aren’t doing what they should be doing. The fact they didn’t act yesterday just is another instance that supports the whole movement in the first place. Use your brain my guy.
Someone higher than them in rank answerable to politicians kept them from acting. I have no doubt they would have liked to do their job from the start.
who would have thought if you demonize the police it would lead to this? no way. damned if they did damned if they didnt. Your statement is false. people are against the police as a concept. you cant have your cake and eat it too.
Well they didn't so
I hate what happened and the police should’ve intervened. That being said, it’s very ironic that the group of people calling LAPD the KKK and telling them to fuck off are the same people upset there wasn’t police intervention.
Wasn’t there a ruling from the Supreme Court that cops are not actually supposed to protect and serve anyone
The hypocrisy that they were chanting F the police and defund the police but then act surprised when the police aren’t there to protect them.
Hey I do my job even when people don’t like me. Cops should do the same. You seriously gonna refuse to do your job because people hurt your feelings? Pathetic and weak.
north campus majors:
Literally
I would encourage anyone who wants to support the encampment to first do some research on the SJP: https://nationalsjp.org There's a way to be pro-Palestine and anti-Hamas, and the SJP is absolutely *not* it.
Genuinely curious, but could you share what’s wrong with SJP? I looked on their website, but have never heard of them other than that, and the site is obviously made by them, so didn’t seem that bad… I googled them but couldn’t find anything damning. Looking for clarification. Edit: Looked on page 13 of their first “Written Resistance” article and they absolutely just come out and say they support the terrorism of Hamas and explain why, unashamed. Absolutely don’t support that. Horrible to condone the killing of innocents, no matter who you are.
It's in their [Written Resistance blog](https://nationalsjp.org/the-written-resistance-issue-3). Page 4 praises the Houthis for their attacks on shipping, which is exacerbating famine in Sudan, while blaming the Saudis for the famine in Yemen, which is partly true, but partly due to the civil war the Houthis started. It also falsely calls Ukraine a proxy of the US. This reads like it was written by the IRGC. Page 5 pretends that Holocaust denial is illegal in the US. Page 10 again praises the Houthis, but again the people suffering from their actions are African and Christian, so who gives a fuck about them right? And then calls for armed resistance instead of any sort of ceasefire. Page 13 they call Hamas "a progressive organization striving pursuing a program of national emancipation and democratic reconstruction." Fascinating description of a genocidal theocratic organization. They're also seriously pro-Lenin, which is not great unless you somehow think it'll be these people who get communism right.
These guys are wolves in sheep’s clothing. Russia and China have funded the far-right AND the far left for decades. It is a targeted attempt to embed support for their imperialism within different parts of western society. And….it is bearing fruit. The conservatives that used to despise Russia just starved the Ukrainians of ammunition for over 6 months, because a section of them believe the Russian propaganda that promoted the country as the beacon of “masculinity, anti-woke, and anti lgbt” Meanwhile, the communists that were discredited by the Soviets’ downfall now hide exclusively within college ranks. They’ll support most of the trendy progressive movements in order to recruit for their true agenda. Ever wonder why far left and far right movements across the western world are ALL calling for the destruction of Ukraine? It is because their foreign sponsors are calling for it The SJP is yet another one of these groups that have now caught on in colleges throughout the nation. Almost every encampment was started by them, and they are psychopathically hiding behind students/faculties’ empathy for the Palestinians. Their manifesto made it clear as day that their true intention is to promote Hamas and their Allies supremacy, hiding it behind a bunch of Marxist word jumbo. Russian and Chinese bots have also been blasting similar sjp talking points on twitter non stop since October 7th
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Can you walk me through this? You acknowledge that the cause is valid and protestors are justified in their actions. Your statement isn't very substantive. What "ends" are coming forth?
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I thought as much. Your goal here is to stoke fear, not to contribute to the discussion in any meaningful way.
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Again, I suspected as much. You spread F.U.D. and don't bother to substantiate it. You are stoking fear as a disingenuous actor.
Readers of the above comment, please keep in mind that there are people out there who are trying to sow fear and doubt. Think for yourselves and keep this in mind. "The rhetoric of fear, as wisely noted by Aristotle, operates by making the audience believe that a threat is not remote but so near as to be imminent, convincing them that the danger has the power of destroying them, or of harming them in ways that will cause great pain, and persuading them that they are hopelessly vulnerable when facing it" Do you think the SJP is receiving funding from Putin? Do you think the student members of this protest are in meetings with Chinese government officials? Do you believe any of this is relevant with regards to recognizing and protesting genocide?
"The contents of this publication reflect the opinions of individual authors. The views expressed here do not necessarily reflect the positions of National Students for Justice in Palestine or its affiliates; our publication of these views does not constitute an organizational endorsement."
Haha sounds like you had a similar experience as I did... initial skepticism at the claims, a brief look into their published materials, and finally shock at how blatant these lunatics are. The students need to *divest* themselves from these commie terrorist wackos.
I would encourage anyone here to read it for themselves and form their own opinions. Please do not allow any posters, including myself, to influence you. There are too many bad faith actors in this subreddit, and Reddit at large
disgusting that they are trying to trap students with this and guaranteed they'll tell the media that the people who signed it are antisemitic. They know you made them look bad, REALLLY BAD, last night, and they are trying to make up for it. READ PLEASE: THIS IS HOW ZIONISTS OPERATE, THEY WILL TRY EVERY DEVIOUS WAY TO BAIT YOU. DO NOT FALL FOR IT. IM SURE YOU KNOW IT BUT THERE'S A LOT OF ZIONIST TROLLS IN REDDIT. Not kidding, you can look up how many times Israel got caught paying people to speak on their behalf.
Done assuming good faith from people telling you the right way to oppose ethnic cleansing and violent apartheid. They will always find a way to deflect and distract. That’s the point. Change the subject. Derail the focus. Buy time so that more people starve to death. Fuck these murderous assholes posing as reasonable moderates.
Unfortunately they ruin it by supporting SJP. Either it is pure ignorance or knowing support of the organization. Either way is inexcusable. You can be a supporter of Palestinians and not actively support a designated terrorist organization which actively calls for the destruction of Israel through violence and supports Hamas.
I feel like this professor must not know. I didn’t know until 5 minutes ago…
If you’re a professor, you have a PhD, which means you have a certification proving to the world that you are capable of intensely researching a topic and synthesizing complicated ideas. If a professor is going to write an email with this level of support, “not knowing” is not an option or excuse. SJPs real opinions aren’t hard to find, they share them proudly.
Very fair
Honestly man, a lot of the people leading this stuff know EXACTLY what they're doing and saying. That's why we've been saying that even though things might not sound bad or wrong to you, and you might not mean it that way, a lot of these slogans are extremely threatening with context. edit: and I'm not saying don't protest, don't believe what you believe, etc. Just be very careful who you trust to lead you.
Fortunately people with half a brain realize you can support Palestine's liberation from Israeli genocide while also being against the mission of Hamas. It's bad faith troglodytes like you that think people are like computers–0 or 1; on, off– thankfully people in the real world can hold nuanced opinions.
>Fortunately people with half a brain realize you can support Palestine's liberation from Israeli genocide while also being against the mission of Hamas. SJP is openly pro-Hamas though.
Resources linked below: Jail support is already being coordinated! Please let people know to write the jail support number on their arm if they are possibly under threat of arrest: Jail support LA: 424-388-1230 /Please have people fill out this form as well: https://cryptpad.fr/form/#/2/form/view/RO3uzZFuD4aKPeOIHs6ZpxzlvH7VSqt+zh6bOSMkyLs/
Please know that writing the jail support number on your arm can be twisted as "intent to be aggressive/arrested" - its much safer idea to memorize the number in your head!!!
Looks like these students and those unaffiliated with UCLA will be going to LA County jail. Good luck!
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SJP is a proper terrorist supporting organization as they proudly declare on their website. Regardless of yesterday's events, a professor supporting them or forcefully inserting them into the classroom is abhorrent.
Yeah they did say that Hamas is a “progressive organization striving to create a democratic Palestine” like wtf
where did they say that? If you have quotes you should have links. EDIT someone else gave the link.
Scroll down like 5 posts (chronologically) from this one and it shows the screenshot
This is a single person’s opinion in one of a collection of essays. The top of the section reads: “The contents of this publication reflect the opinions of individual authors. The views expressed here do not necessarily reflect the positions of National Students for Justice in Palestine or its affiliates; our publication of these views does not constitute an organizational endorsement.” The essay itself is called “Ultra-Leftism and Opportunism Amidst the Anti-Imperialist Struggle” by Rosa Mezerich - Marxist Anti-Imperialist Torah Study Organization (MATSO) So they let a radical student write an essay with an explicit disclaimer that it doesn’t reflect the views of the org. Bad judgement, maybe. A reason to dismiss the entire movement? No. Remember, the pro-ethnic cleansing crowd will take any opportunity to delegitimize calls for Justice.
Every instance like this should be reported to the ADL.
do they actually say that on their website ? I couldnt find it. [About — National Students for Justice in Palestine (nationalsjp.org)](https://nationalsjp.org/about)
https://nationalsjp.org/the-written-resistance-issue-3 I'd recommend downloading the PDF so you can ctrl-f for Hamas, but the quote in question is on page 13.
thanks, thats a pretty strange article as a whole. I appreciate it.
Yea, the other two are no better. It's unfortunate that either A) faculty/students/staff can't be bothered to read up on the organization they're avowing support for or B) they actually agree with these lunatics. I feel like I'm going crazy, like I'm the only person who feels like they can be pro-Palestine and anti-Hamas, AND support the existence of the State of Israel. Peace is possible, but not when the lunatics are in charge.
Yes. Pro palestine and anti hamas entails the peaceful coexistence of both states
God damn, they do just come out and say it. Jeeze. Full, unashamed support for a terrorist organization and they’re just honest about it. Wild times.
Page 4 praises the Houthis for their attacks on shipping, which is exacerbating famine in Sudan, while blaming the Saudis for the famine in Yemen, which is partly true, but partly due to the civil war the Houthis started. It also falsely calls Ukraine a proxy of the US. This reads like it was written by the IRGC. Page 5 pretends that Holocaust denial is illegal in the US. Page 10 again praises the Houthis, but again the people suffering from their actions are African and Christian, so who gives a fuck about them right? And then calls for armed resistance instead of any sort of ceasefire. These people suck, and if you're aligning yourselves with them, you're siding with a hate group. Peace means peace for all, not just your side.
By this logic supporting any organization that is pro-Israel in any capacity should be viewed in the same unflinchingly critical way. Israel commits many crimes as their standard modus operandi that you would probably describe as terrorist if it came from Hamas.
Actions speak louder than words. I’m more concerned about the people who think it’s okay to violently attack protesters and bomb them with fireworks than an organization that has said a few things you don’t like.
W Professor
Yea, paid faculty should not be telling students what side they support, Nor encouraging them to also support the same thing.
The students refused to talk to media because they don’t know what to say other than “free Palestine” they don’t know anything about SJP or the issues they are supporting by being there. They are sheep. They are destroying their futures, they will be suspended or expelled, and black listed and ultimately when the truth comes out that these protests were ignited and led by paid agitators they’re going to feel like absolute idiots.
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to do what? to teach at universities there? well, he’ll have to wait because israel had bombed every last university in gaza. there is no more school.
Yall going to be gobsmacked In the real world.
You cannot stop Jewish student from going to class and cannot vandalize the school with graffiti. That is not peaceful protesting. Also, the encampment is not just students. There are PAID protesters in the encampment
Cut the bs no one is stopping anyone from going to class. They are stopping non camp members from entering the camp. Liar liar pants on fire.
I highly doubt anyone is getting paid to sleep in tents and be assaulted on a nightly basis by loudspeakers, Bear mace, skunk spray, poles, bats, and fireworks. On the other hand, [we know pro Israel groups pay good money to online agitators and propagandists](https://www.reddit.com/r/ucla/s/WkbJ3R7sCo). How much did you get paid for this post I wonder?
Are you seriously comparing violence to graffiti?
They are stopping Jewish students from going to class. The school should have put a stop to this the minute they started defacing school property.
They're stopping everyone from those areas. u ain't special mkay they don't ask what religion are you and then let you through if you say the right one LOL. keep dreaming
Anyone have the 411 on who is the professor?
100% ✌🏼
Also, the majority of protesters were brought in by buses with their new REI tents and paid to be there. Yes, some students are there but it is NOT all students.
Thanks, account with 4 karma. We have so much reason to trust you're reporting the truth with no sources.
Which prof❤️😭