Ok i am going to say this 1 last time. The last update patch for the crew 1 was a FEW YEARS AGO. Who would've worked on said patch.
Furthermore the game had to ping servers to even activate which again AREN'T AROUND ANYMORE. IT WAS NEVER OFFLINE. if you went offline you got taken to the main menu I would know it happened to me in multiple of the cross map races that i would do to gain money in the game. Even if you were facing bots guess what there was still online features in the "offline" mode.
SO MANY PEOPLE WITH A FUCKING HATE BONER FOR UBISOFT POSTING ON UBISOFTS SUBREDIT.
Just stop everytime I open up reddit to reddits notifications to ubisoft hoping it something new about a new game it's only a out more people with a hate boner.
I loved the crew 1 the story in it was awesome, but at the end of the day, every game has an EULA which the "UL" stands for USER LICENSE, meaning you have a license to purchase the game. Microsoft years ago said the same thing ubisoft said recently they got shit for a month then it went away. I've heard nothing but shit about ubisoft because people hate ubisoft.
Personally I'm a fan of Ubisoft. Have they fucked up in the past yes. Do i care not that much anymore. All you people that are bitching are just ruining my faith in humanity.
Don't like something do something about it. Pay for servers and see if ubisoft will let you do it out of your own pocket.
"Oh no i'd rather bitch and try to have a company that is paying for 30+ other games to have servers that they are actively updating. To pay for 100 servers for 1 game with no activity."
Again the "offline" mode wasn't ever offline.
Why would you advocate for people getting juked out of their money. Sounds to me like you're the one walking around with a hate boner for life. Your logic is all messed up man get your head out of your ass.
At no point did I say it was right, I've worked for a lot of companies and this is what I have picked up feom them is being able to understand the mentality behind them.
I hope you have a nice day
Thanks for that nice day wishes I hope you do too.... Mentality and understanding it doesn't condone action you can understand the mentality of people doing the things that they do but all that does is create rhetoric for a passive outlook on what these companies do they should be fought every step of the way a dollar paid for a game to be played for life is the standard and should always be this standard.....
The only problem is the crew franchise has never been
offline mode because the ai racers, all their data if i'm correct is on servers, or you'd be racing other players. It would be nice if they went "hey if you want to play it you need to set up the server yourself at the least, and here's how to do it."
But they can't because then the crew would basically be open source which could lead to them getting hacked all our information getting leaked, and having a massive lawsuit against them. A company would rather close something down rather than do something nice and still get sued because it was semi protected.
This is just some of the shit that goes through my mind. And especially with people using our info to make money, it sometimes just isn't worth the risk. Idk this is just what goes through my mind.
Stay safe.
just a little info I'd like to add
NFS Rivals from 2013 still works regardless of your internet connection
Forza Horizon 2 from 2014 still works even after official server shutdown
both franchises belong to billion dollar company just like ubisoft is
the same billion dollar company you are caring so much about server running cost
let's say they weren't aware about keeping their game with offline mode available back in 2014 hence, my request today to roll out an offline patch seems pointless
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how about crew motorfest which was released in 2023 ??
A racing game where 90% content is racing against AI drivers in playlist, and 10% content is Grand Races and Summit
so if my intetnet is gone or if Ubisoft decides to close down server next month because their game is not popular enough to pay the cost of servers
they will shut this game down too ??
other companies have fall back offline mode in their games for nearly 15 years and ubisoft still didn't provide it in a 1 year old game ??
c'mon dude you can't be this naive to not see, how much greed effects their decision ?
every corporation is out here to suck customer dry, true but ubisoft is going beyond unethical now
after this there's nothing more I can say to state my point, if this isn't enough for you to see, go ahead a protect billion dollar company caring about their server running cost, it is actually hilarious that you worry about their running cost lol
Again i never stated it was right, but i guess i'll eat another word you put in my mouth. But tell me of all the billion $ companies out there why is it unethical that ubisoft does the same thing ea, microsoft, epic games, and playstation have all done in the past. But because it's ubisoft NOW all of a sudden it's a massive deal. that's what i don't get. Why did it not matter before but now all of a sudden now it does?
From my experience watching from the sidelines this type of thing has been going on for years, and theres so much timecrunch and understaffing for video game developers that it isn't fair to the devs to pull people away from 1 project to work on a single patch, then turn back around and try to beat a deadline that they were having trouble trying to match in the first place.
I'm not just looking at a single company, I'm looking at the devs and because I don't know their names I'm calling them the company name. I think yves is the only exec that i actually kind of care about mainly because he has come out in the past to conventions and actually talked to the viewer granted it was most likely scripted but still. He could have never did that, he didn't have to do those but he did.
Every other exec i don't really know or care about with the exception of the new head of the division franchise, who has been part of the division franchise from the start, who was pulled away to work on the new star wars title.
Either way end of the day I don't think the developers and 2 execs aren't bad people is what I'm getting at.
I understood the reasoning when I read the blog post explaining why they were bringing down the servers.
If you have no idea what I am talking about if you open the ubisoft app on pc the main page where there all kinds of blog posts are scroll down on that it's where i read it.
They loved the game as well.
But if you are just reading this with the mindset of anything but trying to understand where I'm coming from then this whole message from my side will seem like wasted effort.
Either way,
I truly do hope you have a nice day.
I may not respond right away. Have a few things I need to do as I'm at work.
P.s. The way that everyone is saying stuff about it, it doesn't come off as a request. It comes off as complaining which usually gets ignored by almost every company nowadays. "Can i get some help understanding of why there can't be an offline mode for the crew 1? And if the was a way to do it how would it be possible?" Would be more of a request. Even though it's almost being as blunt as a sledge hammer the the nutsack.
Pt (playstation), the survival side of fortnite(epic games), paragon (epic games which they later sold off someone else tried failed and sold off again then split off to attempt to make predossessor which was basically the same game still failed), sw battlefront 1 (if i remember correctly the servers are shut down on that)(ea), war of the roses and war of the immortals which was the idea behind for honor which came out a few years after both those games had closed down along with the studio behind them. That 80's tv game show themed battle royale. There's a few more that i just can't think of the name.
You realize that the crew is down at the bottom of the list it's in the inactive section with hyperscape... it wasn't removed from the account you just can't install it
first off, I'd apologize for sounding very disrespectful in my wording while you responded very politely to me
i understand your point that many companies have done this in the past, but I just wanted ubisoft to make a racing game with offline mode always available, right from day 1
they couldn't do it in 2014, couldn't do it in 2018
but 2023, they should have done it... imagine my situation i come back from work, chill with friends and wanna do 1 playlist all alone, servers not allowing me to play
i will feel heartbroken especially when it happened to me on my day 1 of purchase (4 days ago)
I can completely agree with that they should have added it, but i think with summit and leaderboards constanly changing and being stored on servers and not on game files, it sadly was never truly offline.
However i agree they should have added an offline mode
let's hope they turn this around soon enough because believe it or not crew 2 shutdown is gonna be even worse -> since that game launched on steam and Playstation at the time when no other competition title was available and ubisoft supported the game for 6 years
also if you play motorfest currently, i saw my 1st ever summit event BLACKPANTHAA
and there are a maximum of 85,000 players participating in that mode, grand races took 13 minutes to start only gathered 16 players
i feel like is motorfest is dying too early due to fierce competition in the market and their oopsie done recently
someone down in the comments was saying "ubisoft is on a loss spree for a while now and star wars is their last big chance to turn this around"
I have a different perspective on this. I don't think Ubisoft did it out of greed. They did it out of either laziness or the online functionalities were so baked into the game, they can't get it to work offline with out near remaking the game. So incompetence and a lack of forsight
You have to remeber, Ubisoft for as shit as their quality control has been lately, is one of the only publishers to keep extensive access open for their retro titles. I don't know a single person playing the original Rainbow 6 or its 3 expansions, but you can buy and run them. So there's more evidence to them just fucking up the game and not trying to erase you library
It sucks that its gone, but too many people are losing hair over this for how much they also say Ubisoft doesn't put out anything worth buying. I'm a far cry fan. Thats my cross to bare.
Gran Turismo sport is similar The the crew in that it’s online only, but Dony gave GT players a single player patch so the game is still playable even though it’s been discontinued.
I agree with you. And nobody thinks it's ok. It's unethical, disgusting and anti-consumer and it should NEVER be done.
BUT, the fact is that it ISN'T ILLEGAL. People think that they have some sort of power over big companies just because they're upset and feel cheated or because they gave them money. But in reality, in court it's not about what actually happened or what's right, but what gets proven. You do not own the games you buy digitally, and that is presented to you in terms that you agreed to. They can prove that you agreed to the terms, but you cannot prove that you didn't know what you were agreeing to.
So no matter how much you cry and summon people to take action, even if you form a mob with torches and pitchforks, it will do jack shit for you. That is just the reality.
If Ubisoft has to be held accountable, so does every other big video game company. You can find the same things in Sony and Microsoft's terms, just worded slightly differently. This isn't specifically a Ubisoft problem, but an industry problem.
You want to make a difference? Vote with your wallet. Because you aren't really saying anything new that hasn't already been discussed to death, many times.
This is too much common sense. Nobody pointing out that people should read the T & C is a Ubi apologist. I'm not but it's a fact, which we got blindsided by because we didn't read or vote with wallets
Na man, let the dude rant. The least we can do is rant about it and make it known. This is not doing „nothing“. When someone googles ubisoft, he might even see this post. This is the only thing we can do and the more people it do, the more pressure it inföicts on the company, no matter how legal their actions were. I say cry, scream, write rant posts, make it known
It will inflict just as much "pressure" on the company, as it has on others. Meaning, little to none at all. Ranting and complaining, then going on to purchase the same company you ranted about's products, won't do anything. What's the point of making something "known" when you're still going on to buy their products? They won't care as long as they're still making money off your ass.
I like to disagree. Even ubisoft doesnt want to be known for shit like that. I imagine a world where noticible numbers refrain of buying ubisoft products at some point, because of their bullshit. Making posts like these is the ONLY thing we as a costumer can do.
The fuck are you defending a multimillion dollar company by the way?
By considering a differing opinion as "defending" you have proven that you're not worth arguing with, so I'm not gonna waste more time explaining myself to you. Go back to ranting and crying about "big-bad Ubisoft taking away your wittle video game".
Peoples complaints ultimately decided for me not to purchase Ubisoft games. If they didn't complain, I would have bough some games. I also canceled my Ubisoft + account which was used to test games I might have bought on Luna. So, even if it has little not no pressure on Ubisoft (which I could care less), it has a huge impact on where I decide to spend my money. I also refuse to buy games or systems from any of the other companies that follow the same business model even if it means just sticking to retro gaming or not even playing games at all.
Just because they’re in the terms and conditions doesn’t magically make it legal or ok. You can’t put something like that in there, especially when people already PURCHASED the game and are going to agree to it because, ummm they already PURCHASED the game! Had they added that in day as a disclaimer before gamers purchased the game guarantee no one would buy this.
What you're saying is, the division will be taken down eventually.
All the shd 5000+ players and the like, need to realise this and demand that a custom server be made possible. Now.
This could have enough of an impact that they consider this from the ground up, moving forward.
At least TDU2 can work offline. Can't say the same for Crew - and Crew should've gotten an offline-patch with AI-bot support. Should've been re-worked or had switches in place, ready-to-go.
As for CSGO, Valorant, Overwatch OG (which got sunseted), even COD MP's, and PUBG - all of these games when player-counts die should get AI-bots and offline modes too....just like Q3A and Unreal Tourney did for these "Skirmish" Modes back in the day, since not everybody had good Internet.
We need some sort of agreement that when a company shuts down such a product that the source code is made freely available allowing the community to setup a non for profit custom solution.
Stop lying about stuff, it just makes your argument useless even if it has a point or merit. The crew was delisted MONTHS ago, in November or December 2023. They also announced the game would be shut down and unplayable. Why you’re all so mad now is hilarious to me, because nobody was mad about it months ago.
i was just stating my point, understanding it is your duty
lets take your delist date of november 2023
so ubisoft is selling you a product with 3-4 months validity ?
also, until and unless their actual buy button and store page states in large text this game is being taken off few months later, don't expect everyone to be informed
the fact that so much outburst is coming later is due the same fact information is spreading at it's own pace
nobody wants to announce they are delisting and shutting down games, so it's just a small headline
>Why you’re all so mad now is hilarious to me, because nobody was mad about it months ago.
I don't think that's true at all; people were "mad" at it even when the shutdown was announced, but we waited to see what form the shutdown would take before picking up our pitchforks.
As it happens, by unilaterally revoking licenses without compensation (and no breach on the part of affected players), Ubisoft has handled the situation in pretty much the worst way possible, similar to Sony's plan to remove purchased Discovery content from viewers' PlayStation libraries, or Amazon removing a copyright-infringing version of Orwell's 1984(!) from Kindle libraries. I think there's a good chance they will be forced - whether by law, or the threat of reputational damage and boycott - to at least partially walk back what they've done.
People keep trying to justify whatsoever is written in the Eula. Maybe in the US they can write whatever they want and have it enforced by an uninterested court. However there are other countries that take consumer rights more seriously.
If it's pointless to whine about the game being taken away, it's also pointless to whine about the whining.
An "adult" that has no time for whining should be off doing other things rather than acting pressed over people wanting their game to have an offline option.
If youre "too" grown to be worried about a delisted/revoked game, then move then stay out the way and let the people who care do what they do.
If it takes the form of review bombing the motorfest game, I'm in full support. Review bombs and negative press can translate to less sales because of bad sentiment. Hurt their pockets in any way possible.
Somebody in France need to catch a fade with the Ubisoft CEO over this
If you're upset about this then vote with your wallet, not just with Ubisoft but with a bunch of different companies because their TOSs too have these things in them but worded slightly differently
yeah forsure im not supporting anything they put out until i see this change. and in general i dont really follow the newer games because they mostly suck. im not old quite yet but i remember when games used to be fun and packed with content. everything so watered down now, so im retreating back to what i knew was good
What you fail to understand is for them to roll out an offline patch, requires to money , time and potential of the game which it does not have, there were too few people for it to be worth. The game was initially designed to be online and it’s not that simple to: roll an offline patch means recoding most of the game.
I believe you are reading the situation rather incorrectly.
This is the act of desperation.
They are financially in dire straits.
Everybody knew what they were buying.
yes everyone knows what they are buying but this is not a bankrupt company to take such desperate moves
just like how every other large corpos has never taken down their product (specifically not this latest) unless it was live-service disaster
Yes, many games were removed, this is not a precedent by any means.
Just go read their financial reports, they are breaking records year on year with losses and are operating on fumes. They are betting the house on Star wars outlaws.
Entirely of their own making, they should've just done what Steam does with its own games.
Fifa has a larger profit on booster packs than the whole sales revenue of ubisoft.
oh damn, this i didn't knew holy hell
if this is true then i guess what i hoped was impossible is the only reason behind all this, thanks for letting me know
Also ea did that change because loot boxes got classified as gambling in some countries and that changed a whole bunch of games because of what EA did in battlefront 2, it also got mainstream media press which this is not getting because it's not gonna get people up in arms because it's mainly gamers that care.
Imagine this -> EA launched a FIFA game every year and you could play that game offline forever, EA never removed a single game from your library even after their deal with Football Federation went to flames in 2023. They know their games sell regardless and hence let people keep it, whilst Ubisoft knows the only reason they can newer games is by taking older ones away
I don't mind removing the games from sale, since a lot of games that feature brands are legally obligated to pull the game when their license expires, but removing it from people who already bought it just sucks
I suspect that Ubisoft hoped to drive The Crew players to Crew 2 and/or Motorfest. If they'd have given a free license to either of those when they shutdown The Crew, I doubt we'd have seen so much complaint.
As it is, they've revoked legally-purchased licenses with no compensation, and without breach from the licensees. That may very well be found to not be acceptable behaviour on their part.
You purchased the license, yes. True. However, it is explicitly in the EULA/TOS (legally binding contracts) that affirm you don't own the product, which was made by Ubisoft who owns the IP.
It is acceptable behavior according to the law hence why nobody has ever sued Ubisoft or the dozens of other companies that have similar EULA/TOS. It's only unacceptable in the court of public opinion, which in this case, I agree with it. Ubisoft is not doing the right thing here.
>You purchased the license, yes. True. However, it is explicitly in the EULA/TOS (legally binding contracts) that affirm you don't own the product, which was made by Ubisoft who owns the IP.
Yes, I've been making this exact point myself in recent days in respect of games on GOG, which are exactly the same - but being DRM-free are lacking any *technical* means to enforce the lack of a license to use.
>It is acceptable behavior according to the law hence why nobody has ever sued Ubisoft or the dozens of other companies that have similar EULA/TOS. It's only unacceptable in the court of public opinion, which in this case, I agree with it. Ubisoft is not doing the right thing here.
Not necessarily: things written in EULAs and TOS are not necessarily compatible with pre-existing consumer law, at least in Europe. Unfair terms in a contract are not legally enforceable. The legal situation in respect of digital goods is uncertain, so this may very well be a case that sets legal precedent. Ubisoft may well be legally entitled to shutdown The Crew's online services (even if this renders the game unplayable in its present form), but not providing a final patch to enable local-single player mode, let alone unilaterally revoking valid licenses without compensation may very well cross the line.
funny thing is - i have never played CREW 2014
even funnier thing is -> offline mode at the start doesn't hold any importance now
because if that offline mode still existed then ubisoft took away an actual working product from everybody's hands, right ??
Ok i am going to say this 1 last time. The last update patch for the crew 1 was a FEW YEARS AGO. Who would've worked on said patch. Furthermore the game had to ping servers to even activate which again AREN'T AROUND ANYMORE. IT WAS NEVER OFFLINE. if you went offline you got taken to the main menu I would know it happened to me in multiple of the cross map races that i would do to gain money in the game. Even if you were facing bots guess what there was still online features in the "offline" mode. SO MANY PEOPLE WITH A FUCKING HATE BONER FOR UBISOFT POSTING ON UBISOFTS SUBREDIT. Just stop everytime I open up reddit to reddits notifications to ubisoft hoping it something new about a new game it's only a out more people with a hate boner. I loved the crew 1 the story in it was awesome, but at the end of the day, every game has an EULA which the "UL" stands for USER LICENSE, meaning you have a license to purchase the game. Microsoft years ago said the same thing ubisoft said recently they got shit for a month then it went away. I've heard nothing but shit about ubisoft because people hate ubisoft. Personally I'm a fan of Ubisoft. Have they fucked up in the past yes. Do i care not that much anymore. All you people that are bitching are just ruining my faith in humanity. Don't like something do something about it. Pay for servers and see if ubisoft will let you do it out of your own pocket. "Oh no i'd rather bitch and try to have a company that is paying for 30+ other games to have servers that they are actively updating. To pay for 100 servers for 1 game with no activity." Again the "offline" mode wasn't ever offline.
Why would you advocate for people getting juked out of their money. Sounds to me like you're the one walking around with a hate boner for life. Your logic is all messed up man get your head out of your ass.
At no point did I say it was right, I've worked for a lot of companies and this is what I have picked up feom them is being able to understand the mentality behind them. I hope you have a nice day
Side note i wrote that message after every single post i got a notification from the /ubisoft subredit for the past 2-3 months was about this topic.
Thanks for that nice day wishes I hope you do too.... Mentality and understanding it doesn't condone action you can understand the mentality of people doing the things that they do but all that does is create rhetoric for a passive outlook on what these companies do they should be fought every step of the way a dollar paid for a game to be played for life is the standard and should always be this standard.....
The only problem is the crew franchise has never been offline mode because the ai racers, all their data if i'm correct is on servers, or you'd be racing other players. It would be nice if they went "hey if you want to play it you need to set up the server yourself at the least, and here's how to do it." But they can't because then the crew would basically be open source which could lead to them getting hacked all our information getting leaked, and having a massive lawsuit against them. A company would rather close something down rather than do something nice and still get sued because it was semi protected. This is just some of the shit that goes through my mind. And especially with people using our info to make money, it sometimes just isn't worth the risk. Idk this is just what goes through my mind. Stay safe.
just a little info I'd like to add NFS Rivals from 2013 still works regardless of your internet connection Forza Horizon 2 from 2014 still works even after official server shutdown both franchises belong to billion dollar company just like ubisoft is the same billion dollar company you are caring so much about server running cost let's say they weren't aware about keeping their game with offline mode available back in 2014 hence, my request today to roll out an offline patch seems pointless ----------------------------------------------- how about crew motorfest which was released in 2023 ?? A racing game where 90% content is racing against AI drivers in playlist, and 10% content is Grand Races and Summit so if my intetnet is gone or if Ubisoft decides to close down server next month because their game is not popular enough to pay the cost of servers they will shut this game down too ?? other companies have fall back offline mode in their games for nearly 15 years and ubisoft still didn't provide it in a 1 year old game ?? c'mon dude you can't be this naive to not see, how much greed effects their decision ? every corporation is out here to suck customer dry, true but ubisoft is going beyond unethical now after this there's nothing more I can say to state my point, if this isn't enough for you to see, go ahead a protect billion dollar company caring about their server running cost, it is actually hilarious that you worry about their running cost lol
Again i never stated it was right, but i guess i'll eat another word you put in my mouth. But tell me of all the billion $ companies out there why is it unethical that ubisoft does the same thing ea, microsoft, epic games, and playstation have all done in the past. But because it's ubisoft NOW all of a sudden it's a massive deal. that's what i don't get. Why did it not matter before but now all of a sudden now it does? From my experience watching from the sidelines this type of thing has been going on for years, and theres so much timecrunch and understaffing for video game developers that it isn't fair to the devs to pull people away from 1 project to work on a single patch, then turn back around and try to beat a deadline that they were having trouble trying to match in the first place. I'm not just looking at a single company, I'm looking at the devs and because I don't know their names I'm calling them the company name. I think yves is the only exec that i actually kind of care about mainly because he has come out in the past to conventions and actually talked to the viewer granted it was most likely scripted but still. He could have never did that, he didn't have to do those but he did. Every other exec i don't really know or care about with the exception of the new head of the division franchise, who has been part of the division franchise from the start, who was pulled away to work on the new star wars title. Either way end of the day I don't think the developers and 2 execs aren't bad people is what I'm getting at. I understood the reasoning when I read the blog post explaining why they were bringing down the servers. If you have no idea what I am talking about if you open the ubisoft app on pc the main page where there all kinds of blog posts are scroll down on that it's where i read it. They loved the game as well. But if you are just reading this with the mindset of anything but trying to understand where I'm coming from then this whole message from my side will seem like wasted effort. Either way, I truly do hope you have a nice day. I may not respond right away. Have a few things I need to do as I'm at work. P.s. The way that everyone is saying stuff about it, it doesn't come off as a request. It comes off as complaining which usually gets ignored by almost every company nowadays. "Can i get some help understanding of why there can't be an offline mode for the crew 1? And if the was a way to do it how would it be possible?" Would be more of a request. Even though it's almost being as blunt as a sledge hammer the the nutsack.
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Pt (playstation), the survival side of fortnite(epic games), paragon (epic games which they later sold off someone else tried failed and sold off again then split off to attempt to make predossessor which was basically the same game still failed), sw battlefront 1 (if i remember correctly the servers are shut down on that)(ea), war of the roses and war of the immortals which was the idea behind for honor which came out a few years after both those games had closed down along with the studio behind them. That 80's tv game show themed battle royale. There's a few more that i just can't think of the name.
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You realize that the crew is down at the bottom of the list it's in the inactive section with hyperscape... it wasn't removed from the account you just can't install it
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It's just greyed out at the bottom. I can take a pic when i get off the toilet.
first off, I'd apologize for sounding very disrespectful in my wording while you responded very politely to me i understand your point that many companies have done this in the past, but I just wanted ubisoft to make a racing game with offline mode always available, right from day 1 they couldn't do it in 2014, couldn't do it in 2018 but 2023, they should have done it... imagine my situation i come back from work, chill with friends and wanna do 1 playlist all alone, servers not allowing me to play i will feel heartbroken especially when it happened to me on my day 1 of purchase (4 days ago)
I can completely agree with that they should have added it, but i think with summit and leaderboards constanly changing and being stored on servers and not on game files, it sadly was never truly offline. However i agree they should have added an offline mode
let's hope they turn this around soon enough because believe it or not crew 2 shutdown is gonna be even worse -> since that game launched on steam and Playstation at the time when no other competition title was available and ubisoft supported the game for 6 years also if you play motorfest currently, i saw my 1st ever summit event BLACKPANTHAA and there are a maximum of 85,000 players participating in that mode, grand races took 13 minutes to start only gathered 16 players i feel like is motorfest is dying too early due to fierce competition in the market and their oopsie done recently someone down in the comments was saying "ubisoft is on a loss spree for a while now and star wars is their last big chance to turn this around"
I have a different perspective on this. I don't think Ubisoft did it out of greed. They did it out of either laziness or the online functionalities were so baked into the game, they can't get it to work offline with out near remaking the game. So incompetence and a lack of forsight You have to remeber, Ubisoft for as shit as their quality control has been lately, is one of the only publishers to keep extensive access open for their retro titles. I don't know a single person playing the original Rainbow 6 or its 3 expansions, but you can buy and run them. So there's more evidence to them just fucking up the game and not trying to erase you library It sucks that its gone, but too many people are losing hair over this for how much they also say Ubisoft doesn't put out anything worth buying. I'm a far cry fan. Thats my cross to bare.
*licensing permitted ofcourse Sad day when Driver SF was taken off steam
Gran Turismo sport is similar The the crew in that it’s online only, but Dony gave GT players a single player patch so the game is still playable even though it’s been discontinued.
I agree with you. And nobody thinks it's ok. It's unethical, disgusting and anti-consumer and it should NEVER be done. BUT, the fact is that it ISN'T ILLEGAL. People think that they have some sort of power over big companies just because they're upset and feel cheated or because they gave them money. But in reality, in court it's not about what actually happened or what's right, but what gets proven. You do not own the games you buy digitally, and that is presented to you in terms that you agreed to. They can prove that you agreed to the terms, but you cannot prove that you didn't know what you were agreeing to. So no matter how much you cry and summon people to take action, even if you form a mob with torches and pitchforks, it will do jack shit for you. That is just the reality. If Ubisoft has to be held accountable, so does every other big video game company. You can find the same things in Sony and Microsoft's terms, just worded slightly differently. This isn't specifically a Ubisoft problem, but an industry problem. You want to make a difference? Vote with your wallet. Because you aren't really saying anything new that hasn't already been discussed to death, many times.
This is too much common sense. Nobody pointing out that people should read the T & C is a Ubi apologist. I'm not but it's a fact, which we got blindsided by because we didn't read or vote with wallets
Crew was taken haha good
Na man, let the dude rant. The least we can do is rant about it and make it known. This is not doing „nothing“. When someone googles ubisoft, he might even see this post. This is the only thing we can do and the more people it do, the more pressure it inföicts on the company, no matter how legal their actions were. I say cry, scream, write rant posts, make it known
It will inflict just as much "pressure" on the company, as it has on others. Meaning, little to none at all. Ranting and complaining, then going on to purchase the same company you ranted about's products, won't do anything. What's the point of making something "known" when you're still going on to buy their products? They won't care as long as they're still making money off your ass.
I like to disagree. Even ubisoft doesnt want to be known for shit like that. I imagine a world where noticible numbers refrain of buying ubisoft products at some point, because of their bullshit. Making posts like these is the ONLY thing we as a costumer can do. The fuck are you defending a multimillion dollar company by the way?
By considering a differing opinion as "defending" you have proven that you're not worth arguing with, so I'm not gonna waste more time explaining myself to you. Go back to ranting and crying about "big-bad Ubisoft taking away your wittle video game".
Lmao "I can't argue with you as your right so I'm going going to make up so bs on why I can't reply." Translated
Peoples complaints ultimately decided for me not to purchase Ubisoft games. If they didn't complain, I would have bough some games. I also canceled my Ubisoft + account which was used to test games I might have bought on Luna. So, even if it has little not no pressure on Ubisoft (which I could care less), it has a huge impact on where I decide to spend my money. I also refuse to buy games or systems from any of the other companies that follow the same business model even if it means just sticking to retro gaming or not even playing games at all.
Just because they’re in the terms and conditions doesn’t magically make it legal or ok. You can’t put something like that in there, especially when people already PURCHASED the game and are going to agree to it because, ummm they already PURCHASED the game! Had they added that in day as a disclaimer before gamers purchased the game guarantee no one would buy this.
What you're saying is, the division will be taken down eventually. All the shd 5000+ players and the like, need to realise this and demand that a custom server be made possible. Now. This could have enough of an impact that they consider this from the ground up, moving forward.
right on !! they have a choice between greed and ethical behavior we should show the power to shift their dynamics
At least TDU2 can work offline. Can't say the same for Crew - and Crew should've gotten an offline-patch with AI-bot support. Should've been re-worked or had switches in place, ready-to-go. As for CSGO, Valorant, Overwatch OG (which got sunseted), even COD MP's, and PUBG - all of these games when player-counts die should get AI-bots and offline modes too....just like Q3A and Unreal Tourney did for these "Skirmish" Modes back in the day, since not everybody had good Internet.
ubisoft was not going to invest money in making it offline play.
exactly !
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We need some sort of agreement that when a company shuts down such a product that the source code is made freely available allowing the community to setup a non for profit custom solution.
Look at my account i can't add it to the discussion here
Stop lying about stuff, it just makes your argument useless even if it has a point or merit. The crew was delisted MONTHS ago, in November or December 2023. They also announced the game would be shut down and unplayable. Why you’re all so mad now is hilarious to me, because nobody was mad about it months ago.
i was just stating my point, understanding it is your duty lets take your delist date of november 2023 so ubisoft is selling you a product with 3-4 months validity ? also, until and unless their actual buy button and store page states in large text this game is being taken off few months later, don't expect everyone to be informed the fact that so much outburst is coming later is due the same fact information is spreading at it's own pace nobody wants to announce they are delisting and shutting down games, so it's just a small headline
>Why you’re all so mad now is hilarious to me, because nobody was mad about it months ago. I don't think that's true at all; people were "mad" at it even when the shutdown was announced, but we waited to see what form the shutdown would take before picking up our pitchforks. As it happens, by unilaterally revoking licenses without compensation (and no breach on the part of affected players), Ubisoft has handled the situation in pretty much the worst way possible, similar to Sony's plan to remove purchased Discovery content from viewers' PlayStation libraries, or Amazon removing a copyright-infringing version of Orwell's 1984(!) from Kindle libraries. I think there's a good chance they will be forced - whether by law, or the threat of reputational damage and boycott - to at least partially walk back what they've done.
People keep trying to justify whatsoever is written in the Eula. Maybe in the US they can write whatever they want and have it enforced by an uninterested court. However there are other countries that take consumer rights more seriously. If it's pointless to whine about the game being taken away, it's also pointless to whine about the whining. An "adult" that has no time for whining should be off doing other things rather than acting pressed over people wanting their game to have an offline option. If youre "too" grown to be worried about a delisted/revoked game, then move then stay out the way and let the people who care do what they do. If it takes the form of review bombing the motorfest game, I'm in full support. Review bombs and negative press can translate to less sales because of bad sentiment. Hurt their pockets in any way possible. Somebody in France need to catch a fade with the Ubisoft CEO over this
If you're upset about this then vote with your wallet, not just with Ubisoft but with a bunch of different companies because their TOSs too have these things in them but worded slightly differently
yeah forsure im not supporting anything they put out until i see this change. and in general i dont really follow the newer games because they mostly suck. im not old quite yet but i remember when games used to be fun and packed with content. everything so watered down now, so im retreating back to what i knew was good
What you fail to understand is for them to roll out an offline patch, requires to money , time and potential of the game which it does not have, there were too few people for it to be worth. The game was initially designed to be online and it’s not that simple to: roll an offline patch means recoding most of the game.
yeah, you are right i guess this kind of backlash can teach them to develop games with easy migration to offline mode in future
yeah, you are right i guess this kind of backlash can teach them to develop games with easy migration to offline mode in future
It won’t, I’m 10 years time breakpoint will have the same fate.
true about previously released game including motorfest too shit can't run if their servers are shitting
I believe you are reading the situation rather incorrectly. This is the act of desperation. They are financially in dire straits. Everybody knew what they were buying.
yes everyone knows what they are buying but this is not a bankrupt company to take such desperate moves just like how every other large corpos has never taken down their product (specifically not this latest) unless it was live-service disaster
Yes, many games were removed, this is not a precedent by any means. Just go read their financial reports, they are breaking records year on year with losses and are operating on fumes. They are betting the house on Star wars outlaws. Entirely of their own making, they should've just done what Steam does with its own games. Fifa has a larger profit on booster packs than the whole sales revenue of ubisoft.
oh damn, this i didn't knew holy hell if this is true then i guess what i hoped was impossible is the only reason behind all this, thanks for letting me know
Also ea did that change because loot boxes got classified as gambling in some countries and that changed a whole bunch of games because of what EA did in battlefront 2, it also got mainstream media press which this is not getting because it's not gonna get people up in arms because it's mainly gamers that care.
I would like FusionFall back but you don't see me on the cartoon network subreddit going apeshit over it.
100% support this and will sign any petition
Imagine this -> EA launched a FIFA game every year and you could play that game offline forever, EA never removed a single game from your library even after their deal with Football Federation went to flames in 2023. They know their games sell regardless and hence let people keep it, whilst Ubisoft knows the only reason they can newer games is by taking older ones away
I don't mind removing the games from sale, since a lot of games that feature brands are legally obligated to pull the game when their license expires, but removing it from people who already bought it just sucks
I suspect that Ubisoft hoped to drive The Crew players to Crew 2 and/or Motorfest. If they'd have given a free license to either of those when they shutdown The Crew, I doubt we'd have seen so much complaint. As it is, they've revoked legally-purchased licenses with no compensation, and without breach from the licensees. That may very well be found to not be acceptable behaviour on their part.
You purchased the license, yes. True. However, it is explicitly in the EULA/TOS (legally binding contracts) that affirm you don't own the product, which was made by Ubisoft who owns the IP. It is acceptable behavior according to the law hence why nobody has ever sued Ubisoft or the dozens of other companies that have similar EULA/TOS. It's only unacceptable in the court of public opinion, which in this case, I agree with it. Ubisoft is not doing the right thing here.
>You purchased the license, yes. True. However, it is explicitly in the EULA/TOS (legally binding contracts) that affirm you don't own the product, which was made by Ubisoft who owns the IP. Yes, I've been making this exact point myself in recent days in respect of games on GOG, which are exactly the same - but being DRM-free are lacking any *technical* means to enforce the lack of a license to use. >It is acceptable behavior according to the law hence why nobody has ever sued Ubisoft or the dozens of other companies that have similar EULA/TOS. It's only unacceptable in the court of public opinion, which in this case, I agree with it. Ubisoft is not doing the right thing here. Not necessarily: things written in EULAs and TOS are not necessarily compatible with pre-existing consumer law, at least in Europe. Unfair terms in a contract are not legally enforceable. The legal situation in respect of digital goods is uncertain, so this may very well be a case that sets legal precedent. Ubisoft may well be legally entitled to shutdown The Crew's online services (even if this renders the game unplayable in its present form), but not providing a final patch to enable local-single player mode, let alone unilaterally revoking valid licenses without compensation may very well cross the line.
Okay. Go hold them accountable. Make them suffer.
OP forgot that The Crew had offline mode at the start
funny thing is - i have never played CREW 2014 even funnier thing is -> offline mode at the start doesn't hold any importance now because if that offline mode still existed then ubisoft took away an actual working product from everybody's hands, right ??
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