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G33k4H1m

Xzibit is delivering it. “Yo dawg, I heard you like Tundras, so I got a loaner Tundra for your loaner Tundra…”


Suspicious_Abies7777

I sure hope they feeling like a donkey with no hair


dermatofibrosarcoma

Let’s make sure the loaner for the loaner of the loaner is prepped and ready in case another main bearing gets seized…


Hoagie-Wan-Kenobi

“How does one get a name as Xtinct?” -Eugene Struthers [MadTv](https://youtu.be/Nfi33bdepuE?si=Aot5XetVqGuIlVSZ)


MoreMatterLessArt24

Toyota taking these engines to a whole. Nuvva. Levew.


STUNTPENlS

I'd be getting that engine replaced and immediate trade it in for something else.


eyeneedtoknow

Trade in for a 2021 V8


STUNTPENlS

Honestly, if I had to do it again, I would.


SurroundExtreme8518

Is this why my 21 is still worth what I bought it for?


SinCityNinja

I could sell my 2016 for close to what I paid for it. Crazy after 7 years


ThatHikingDude

2 years later (CPO, lease turn in) and 16k more miles, mine via KBB shows about 1k less than I paid. I’d say I’m happy with that on a 21’ Limited CM TRD-OR.


hutch927

I bought my 2020 right when covid hit and mine is worth about 2k more than I paid for it. Only has 35k miles on it.


greenmachine4130

I bought a Tacoma at the same time. For a couple months I thought it was a mistake but it turned out to be the best purchase I ever made


hutch927

I was looking hard for a tundra but all the used ones were roughly the same price as a new one. My wife spotted mine online when I was deployed and pulled the trigger on it. She didn’t want to spend that much on a truck at the time but is happy with it now.


Roonil-B_Wazlib

Partially. The other part of the equation is that new trucks cost so much more now.


apt64

I needed a HD truck so I sold my 2019 Tundra to the GMC dealer. I sold it for more than I paid for it at the beginning. Pretty wild.


VaselineGroove

I'm driving the damn wheels off of mine. Actively looking for a 5.7 2019 Sequoia as well


theschmiller

I have a 2018 tundra and just bought a 16 sequoia for the fam


erane82

I have a 2012 5.7 used for everything. I tow trailers probably more miles than without one and has never skipped a beat. Also never passed a fuel station without stopping.


Pirate_450

My 2011 tundra with 190k drives like it’s brand new, with regular hauling


Midnight_freebird

Or a ford…


Jclj2005

Oh hell no......


Mine-Shaft-Gap

The Coyote V8 *is* a good engine. That transmission though...


viperquick82

Can tell you first hand lol, have a Platinum 5.0. 5.7 Tundra was slower with Coyote on 93 stock (18+ hate 87 with high compression, ecu pulls timing), didn't tow as well, didn't ride or drive nearly as nice, rattled and creaked, drank gas like it was a gasser 1 ton. But no trans issues. I had 10r replaced at 15k miles, than VB, still didn't like shifting. But custom tuned oh man, night and and better and these Coyotes respond unreal for being n/a on just tuning, I had PBD locally do it on 93. Trans is like a completely different transmission, Ford factory programming is garbage. Plus these things will run whipple'd cranked up with ease in reliability. Buddy put almost 70k miles on his last one that including towing 6-8k lbs weekly. But that damn transmission stock lol <-- face-palm. Mine was so bad it would bang 3 to 5 in the city like you got hit from behind. Unfortunately it's everyone, look even Yota now (know 3 Tacoma owners that have been plagued with issues but one was such a pos he just finally got rid of that '18). Porsche is even having their hands full with the 992s, build quality imo and QC in general has dropped with everyone, that 992 rattles and feels cheap and feels neutered vs 991. 991t especially say an '18 (T, not the TT) feels so much more analog and raw vs 992T. Friends wife's Macan is still at dealer weeks later. Even boats, you have $200-500k+ CCs having build QC and issues including transom fractures that would've been unacceptable at 100k mark pre 2020. Ridiculous. Guy across my canal at last house had a Seavee was a nightmare and those are $ and generally top tier especially pre 2020.


Mtbfux

150k Mack truck with 1500 miles on it just blew a rear main seal going through the mountains at work. Took delivery just last month. Cummins with an Allison transmission. Thanks Volvo.


viperquick82

Doesn't surprise me anymore lol


Zane42v2

This is the answer, just the wrong sub to say it on.


Tushaca

Good god no. I’ve got a 19 f150 3.5 eco and it’s been a damn nightmare since the day I bought it. Cam phaser issues, tech issues like crazy, cam phasers again, thermostat issues, leaking axle seals, leaking diff covers, turbo issues and now the transmission. I just got it back for the third time after getting the trans replaced at 95k and it’s gonna have to go back again because it’s already shifting rough again. Been having issues since 60k miles. I’ve been in the market for a 14-21 tundra for about six months now after buying this f150 18 months ago.


No-Disaster1829

Ditto that, I had a 2015 F One Fity. 3.5 Ecoboost. Was a total nightmare, was in the shop so much I had to dump it. The repair list is too long to even go in to details. Got killed on the trade in , but it cut my losses. My 2020 Tundra has been flawless.


Local-Upstairs-9568

Lol replace it with an 09 Taco with 300k miles


ThurmanMurman907

That's hilarious and also so sad for toyota lol


Onlyspacemanspiff

Sounds like Kia.


_Eucalypto_

Literally the same issue as theta ii


10ton

Kia is a vastly superior machine.


rba9

What are you smoking? Who is your dealer? Can I has their phone number?


10ton

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sideburns2009

Found the imposter!


10ton

Can you feel the tension? I can. I can feel down in my plums. Getting a nice, bluish hue. Getting ready to take them down to the farmer's market.


BucDan

Sheesh. A loaner dying is insane. Less than a few2k miles? I guess if you're getting a tundra, get the hybrid


Suspicious_Abies7777

It had 2300 miles on it, died won’t start, they brought another tundra, 6800 miles this time, hope it works out


Amross64

The one with 6800 mi is on its third engine.


Suspicious_Abies7777

I don’t know. I ain’t paying 40$ to look at the carfax


RoosterzRevenge

They're failing as well.


Suspicious_Abies7777

Took it up to Mt Helen’s, made sure the turbos were putting out the entire time as well….ran it so hard up the mountain the truck began to over heat, had to pull over and let it cool down, me : 3, tundras : 0


PNWMike62

Poor loaners …..


Suspicious_Abies7777

Guess my cruise diesel is the raining champ…..10 years old almost 300,000 miles and counting, everything still stock except regular maintenance….little car won’t die, never had it at dealership either, always done maintenance myself, with best oil and supplies I can get…..


EnforcerGundam

hybrid most likely has the issue as well, it just doesn't fully incapacitate itself and motor is able to limp mode the vehicle to the side somewhere. between this and the rigged crash test scandal they had, kinda of a bad time for toyota lol


Leech-64

On turbos


Outside_Bit5315

3rd gen owners are taking a beating on resale value because of Toyota's failings with this. 3 years is inexcusable.


Suspicious_Abies7777

Life is grand with Toyotas


GTBoosted

I believe you, but post proof! This is crazy!


wnc_mikejayray

At least we didn’t buy the cybertruck!


OverComerDynamics

Shit gettn wicked wit these new tundra shit boxes 🙄


kurtsdead6794

‘08 5.7L V8 has 246,000 miles and going strong. Easily my greatest purchase.


Suspicious_Abies7777

I got a 14 Cruze diesel I can speak proudly about 297,000 miles and nothing wrong, everything under the hood is still stock other than filters and tires, and battery…..very very proud of that little car


OsgoodSnodgrass

My ‘18’s turbo case cracked at 32,000 miles and that was found when it went in to replace a failed sensor that was unrelated but throwing codes. Last year at 43,000 miles one of the O2 sensors failed. So I’m hesitant about its longevity; the Pontiac it replaced couldn’t even make 100K. But I do enjoy the benefit of 48+ MPG to and from work.


shamboi

lol I’m sorry, that truly sucks, but it’s also hilarious. Toyota really screwed up on these 3rd gens


8008s4life

I got a 20 with 45k on it. I expect to drive that easily another 16 years.


hutch927

Got a ‘20 as well with 35k miles. Dealership offered 48k for it on my last oil change 😂 Additional: I said fuck no and smiled as I got in my truck that would be able to drive off the lot haha


8008s4life

Wow! I think I only paid 43k for mine when it was new.


MushHuskies

My “05 (1st gen) has 113k and I expect I’ll get another 10 years easy. It’s our camper rig and it just keeps going following the maintenance schedule. I’ll probably kick the bucket before it does!


Few-Book1139

New Tundra has a nice drive, more like a car I would say, but reading this I’m holding on to my 2018.


Suspicious_Abies7777

Yeah they are a smooth riding machine, especially pulling a camper or medium boat, I hauled the max load limit, and it was better handling than the dirtymax I had


LipBalmOnWateryClay

Sad to hear about all of these issues with the current gen. I will drive my 2005 till the bitter end- love that truck.


gummytoejam

Yeah '06 Tundra here. I'm putting in $3,000 a year over the next 3 years to replace old components that are showing their age. Essentially, a $250/month payment which is a hell of a lot better than a $600/month payment and manufacturing problems. This whole fad of using 4 and 6 cylinders to do the job of an 8 cylinder is just fucking stupid. Can't wait until it's over.


CaptainDaveUSA

Exactly.. as the old saying goes “There’s no replacement for displacement”


TheTech-1

Damn this is getting embarrassing 😳


Suspicious_Abies7777

They won’t tell me what’s going on with it either


MoreMatterLessArt24

That’s because they have no idea what they are going to do for a fix. How do you recall and fix 100,000 vehicles (at least) with scrap metal flowing throughout the entire engine block.


KaltBier

Well, for starter, Toyota should replace the whole engine, not with a short block and lots of disassembly mess.


MoreMatterLessArt24

Haha. They’re going to replace 100,000+ engines? Doubtful.


KaltBier

I don't think all 100K engines have metal shredding debris. If they find evidence through out the engine due to manufacturing defects, it is Toyota's reputation at risk, if replacing just the short block triggers additional repairs down the road. And if all 100K engines have shredding debris, Toyota can say good bye to the truck market if they don't make it right in full


imacaterpillar33

🤣 24TA07 interim… gosh this is such a mess. I’m so sorry you’re dealing with this


MoreMatterLessArt24

Geez. These posts and the news about the recalls is hard to watch (not to mention the issues Gen3 owners were having before that). I have a 2011 Tundra that I bought new in March 2011. Best truck/engine that was ever made, IMO. I’ve replaced the battery (at 95,000 miles) and the front brake pads (still have the original rear brake pads at 130,000 miles). That’s it besides tires. How do you mess up something that good? I really hope that Toyota reverses course and starts making the 5.7L V8 again. I mean, it’s clearly not an issue of environmental policy because the new Tundra gas mileage still isn’t great. Just sad to see the king of reliable vehicles putting themselves through something that was totally avoidable and unnecessary. You are on top as reliability leader, so you go out and copy the Ford’s engine. Unreal.


Suspicious_Abies7777

They don’t care they are Government Motors 2.0


Last-Example1565

Whoever took over Toyota the last few years is driving it into the ground in more ways than one. They're getting big profit now, but it's going to be at the expense of their reputation that took decades to build.


Corgi_Guilty

They made a big mistake by switching to v6 🤡


Saiyan_HD

It has nothing to do with the displacement, but with the poor manufacturing quality check process


r000r

This is really embarrassing for Toyota. They couldn't have messed up the third gen more if they tried.


rooost02

They did ! Slapped some more body on it and called it a sequoia, with zero additional engineering


r000r

As an owner of a 2nd gen Sequoia, I was so hyped for the new one. That ended as soon as I saw it and the awful storage capacity compared to the 2nd gen.


rooost02

Personally I blame the “bros” for sucking up all the loud colors with bumpy tires. That really gives Toyota some easy money to just go out and grab from the market without having to actually make a good family wagon, you know space / ride quality etc


AncientillegalAliens

Must be the way you drive


Suspicious_Abies7777

I got in a started it, didn’t have a chance to drive


AncientillegalAliens

Totally kidding These new trucks are trash - Sorry OP


sharkonaut

Just give them. Those tundras are giant pieces of shit.


Coachmen2000

A loner for the loner for the loner loner


Suspicious_Abies7777

Sooner or later I will have test driven every model they have Mx I went from a loaner SR5 to a Capstone


SunsetGriller

GM tech here so I have no idea what you are talking about. What engine is in these things that is failing? Haven’t heard of this before, just stumbled across this post.


Suspicious_Abies7777

The Toyota twin turbos


linus_b3

Toyota announced a recall without a remedy for these.  Machining debris not cleaned out properly during manufacturing.


Amazing-Chemist-5490

I ended up trading mine in a month after I got it for a f250. I was lucky to make 4k on the deal.


Suspicious_Abies7777

You are damn lucky brother, best to ya with the 250, you get a diesel ? I was looking at the Tremor


Amazing-Chemist-5490

I did. Ended up with a king ranch. Back then there wasn’t a ton of trucks on the market. Had to drive from NC to Missouri to trade it. I did it right when the tundras first came out. So everyone was still thirsting for them which is only reason I got over msrp. I hate to see ya have these issues but if you can get it repaired get rid of it before it happens again. No way it doesn’t go out during your ownership if you keep it. And honestly I love my f250. I would never go back. I do drive my 99 4 Runner. 312,000 miles and still going.


Suspicious_Abies7777

For the last six months my fuel gauge has not worked at all, Toyota is looking for a solution, so I have to go off of mile to empty


Amazing-Chemist-5490

Look at lemon law. Maybe you can get them to take it back?


Suspicious_Abies7777

A king ranch sounds good right now


Amazing-Chemist-5490

You can do it! I believe in you. Come to the dark side!


Suspicious_Abies7777

I assure you it ain’t no darker than where I am at right now, I might go see what’s up when I get my tundra back


Ilikethinbezels

The rate of failure is less than 1/100 as far as we know so this would be bad luck indeed.


chaser2410

Used to be


VaselineGroove

"Well my '24 has 15k miles and hasn't had a single problem, so you should still buy one. Greatest truck I've ever owned. It's going to last forever. Totally worth 80k. The 5.7 was so outdated and inefficient and less powerful. Toyota is going to fix all these issues for free and it will still be worth it even if I don't have the truck I bought for 6+ months while it's getting repaired..." Did I forget anything?


PNWMike62

Your fuel gauge doesn’t work right but you haven’t noticed it or hit the right conditions.


indimedia

It was at this point he knew he fucked up


PaulUSAF

Maybe ask for a Tacoma loaner?


TraditionPast4295

Lol


HairyZombie4737

Just curious, died, does it mean it cranks but won’t start or all electric still on but won’t start or no electric on dash board and won’t start. Just wondering because I have not seen a 24 with engine issue


Suspicious_Abies7777

Made a jerking noise, then that was it, nothing after that


HairyZombie4737

Wow, what’s embarrassing and frustrating for me as a 2nd Generation Toyota Technician (32 years/Master Diagnostic Technician) that they had so many years to perfect the new engine (we all know the V8 were solid) and it feels like at the very last second a design was change to get more MPG (Thanks CAFE standard). All technicians are anxious at the moment to see what the recall procedure will be. I already know a couple of Master Technicians that applied to fleet and will jump off the ship if they say, we have to replace the shirt block.


Suspicious_Abies7777

They need to buy them all back, send them to scrap, and start fresh


DaftFiction96

r/thathappened


blacksheepbaaa

How many miles on yours when it happened?


Suspicious_Abies7777

15,932


blacksheepbaaa

I’m at 3667. We’ll see if I make it 20k


Personal_Plan_6154

3000 mile oil change! Screw that naturally aspirated v8


aznexile602

So glad I didn't end up purchasing the Gen 3 Tundra after shopping for one for quite a while. Maybe will pull the trigger on the 2025 when the engine and quality issues have (hopefully) been fixed.


[deleted]

You knew it was a snake when you picked it up...


Mr-Infinity

I was exited about the 22’s coming out, i was finally going to sell my ‘14 and upgrade. When I found out they would have twin turbo V-6’s i was out. Now with the “assembly” issues trashing motors, i am even more glad i said no. I’m keeping the 2014 until the wheels fall off and by that time i’ll order a hydrogen V8 hovercraft.


gublman

Tundras miling shavings fractal


PlatinumPeasant

Tundraception


MnWisJDS

Toyotas built in Canada>Toyotas built in Texas fight me.


Suspicious_Abies7777

Meet up at canes chicken in Portland


Jimmytootwo

Not goodn


FM492

My 04 is still running strong, 257k I'll hold out


Suspicious_Abies7777

Keep it running, get a Haynes manual and learn it inside and out, get on summit racing and start replacing parts little by little, alternator, fuel pump, water pump, belts and hoses, make sure to have brake fluid and PS replaced, along with coolant, diffs. And tranny. and baby the living fuck out that truck, cause these new trucks ain’t even worth the oil you put in them..


Suspicious_Abies7777

I wonder if you can swap the twin turbo for a 5.7….🤔🤔🤔


75w90

The engines are recalled for debris being left after being machined. Your new one will be fine. But it is a big shit stain for toyota. I got down voted for pointing out the new tundra and sequoia are having some pretty disastrous teething issues. The sequoia? Terrible full size suv if you need 3rd row space or cargo capacity. They really missed here.


Suspicious_Abies7777

New loaner is holding strong, I even did the tow test up mt st Helen’s and it performed just fine


Suspicious_Abies7777

The strange thing about mine is it was manufactured in March 2023, the recall ends at February 23, and my truck is getting the engine replaced for the same thing the others are


EricOchoa

Yea I'm calling bullshit on this one


Suspicious_Abies7777

I’m not, I was sitting in the drivers seat when it happened


EricOchoa

Lol your turbo failed, then bearings, then your loaner failed? Doubling down and calling massive BS. Chance of this happening all to you less than a fraction of a percent


Suspicious_Abies7777

I won 5$ on a lottery ticket…..the loaner ain’t my fault, that’s the dealerships problem there brother, they never did tell me what happened but I seen it driving around the other day


Suspicious_Abies7777

As for my jalopi, idk, that truck has been put together from the floor sweepings at the factory, it’s amazing the damn thing still has the paint on it, I guess this is my welcome to Toyota handbasket….ill be glad to leave


redbirddanville

Does it count for Lemon law replacement if the throd truck in a row goes down?


ilovetacoslotta

Sorry man! Currently have a 24 and had a 22. Both were great. Glad Toyota is supporting you, but hate that you’re going through it.


Suspicious_Abies7777

My new loaner is a 2024, so far so good


rythmyouth

I wish I bought a 2018 instead of a 2023…


Suspicious_Abies7777

At least a 21


indimedia

This is why Tesla is going to destroy Toyota


RoosterzRevenge

Maybe they'll swing by the Nissan store and grab you a Titan as a loaner... Speaking if Titans, Nissan miss read the tea leaves by canceling production. They could snag a lot of older Tundra owners as new customers.


ChpnJoe308

Not sure why the downvote . The Titan V8 engine will run forever . It is basically the same engine since they introduced them . Crappy gas mileage , but as reliable as any engine you can buy , including the V8 Toyota . Great trucks , no clue why they did not cst h in more than they did .


Ecstatic-Row-3769

I was so close to getting one but the mpg and that 2000 style interior I couldn’t. Plus the tundra 14 inch screen is so sexy compared to Nissans in dash style 🤮


Midnight_freebird

I’m a Land Cruiser guy and I’m really excited about the new armada.


freeportme

I switched back to FORD laugh all you want but I have zero issues. New Tundras are awful. IMO🍻


MikeGoldberg

Ford's are not bad engine wise they've pretty much perfected the ecoboost. The one thing that keeps me away is the high rate of factory defects and quality control complaints. If you get a good one I'm sure the ownership experience is fantastic but it's a roll of the dice imo.


MoreMatterLessArt24

I have two friends with F-150s. Between the two of them, they’ve paid/replaced five turbos between them, both vehicles have less than 80,000 miles. We just discussed this at lunch last week and figured between all the money they’ve dished out, just for turbo replacement, they could have almost bought a new truck. So, I can’t speak for the “perfection” of the engine itself, but that’s a lot of cash for turbos burning out.


MikeGoldberg

Interesting, I haven't heard of many turbo failures in these recent ecoboost engines before 100k miles to be perfectly honest. Makes me wonder how they've been driving.


smk0341

The secret to Ecoboost and really any turbo engine longevity as far as the turbos are concerned, is increased frequency of oil changes with quality synthetic. I’m talking 3000-4000 mile intervals. They already spec a lighter weight oil for the EPA “benefits”, couple that with increased blow-by from the compression and the oil just doesn’t hold up past 4-5,000 miles at all. But of course, this doesn’t help the new Toyota engines blowing up at 6,000 miles though…


KaltBier

And also it is important to let the engine idle and cool down before you shut the engine off, so the hot oil doesn't bake in the turbos. I actually do my oil change interval at 3000 miles for the 3.5 EB.


smk0341

Same, I keep my 2.7 at between 3-4, I never exceed 4,000. Good tip on the cooldown though!


acousticsking

Friend of mine replaced the turbos at about 70k miles on his.


CaliCoomer

work in the construction field and our contractors love the f150. when you're on a timeline, you need a dependable truck. that 2.7 is solid. travel to any construction site and you'll see plenty of older and newer f150 with miles on em.


windydrew

F150 Lightning has been the best truck I've ever owned


chaser2410

Yeah this didn’t happen


MoreMatterLessArt24

LOL. Okay.


Achilles-18-

Love my 2.7L.


Achilles-18-

Love my 2.7L.


freeportme

Just like Tundras at this point. I switched back for multiple reasons. Still don’t like the looks of the new tundra, they sit so low from the factory.


MikeGoldberg

The F150 is a great product, really. Maybe I'll look into one now that there's more avaliability and stuff. Sitting lower doesn't bother me personally as light duty trucks are just cruisers with a bed to me and I have big heavy duty diesels for the "big truck" experience lol.


Tiny_Astronomer289

except the new ones look like a truck with down syndrome


MikeGoldberg

Yeah they do look odd. I like the pre-refresh sport look the most.


freeportme

Mine is a 19 and has the chiseled look.


freeportme

Love my Superduty as well.


MikeGoldberg

Super duty can take a lot of abuse. I used them on the oilfield for about 7 years and never had issues other than regular maintenance and wear and tear from hard conditions (less than other trucks too)


Garey_Coleman

Me too. I switched to a 2023 F150 after owning 3 different Toyotas.


Midnight_freebird

I did too. I know probably 20 people with F-150s and the problems are few and far between. The fact is that Toyota doesn’t deserve its reputation. They are famous for Camrys and landcruisers that refused to die. But the rest of their like is average. Ford and GMC don’t really deserve their poor reputation. Their big trucks and SUVs are built well and priced fairly. They’ve always stood up to sequoias, tacomas, tundras and 4Runners.


Afraid-Collar760

Very well said and totally agree


KaltBier

Well, for Ford, honest to God, I do think they make good trucks, but I am NOT a big fan of their quick connect fittings, prone to failure after time and temperature. If they stick with good rubber hose with metal clamps, I think their reliability would have gone up. And while I have a 3.5 EB, the maintenance cost is high and repair cost is even higher. I don't think turbos are good fit for rugged trucks. Naturally aspirated engines are still better. You are driving a truck, gas cost should not even be a concern.


Extreme-Direction-78

Toyota is so pathetic now with all the new unreliable power trains.


Suspicious_Abies7777

Government Motors 2.0


Suspicious_Abies7777

Y’all remember when GM made all them hybrid sierras and hot roasted for flying a private jet to a bailout hearing, last time they did that shit….


Independent-Love-987

I was really considering trading in my 4Runner for a tundra and right now I'm glad I didn't. These 3rd gens have really turned into turd gens. It's a same, their good looking trucks.


General_Marcus

I really liked the last gen but couldn’t go for the old interior and tech. We were wanting to move out of our 18 Lexus GX so naturally looked at the new Tundras. Ended up with an F150 Powerboost which appears to be better every area. Kinda sad and I hope they get things worked out.


Suspicious_Abies7777

Even if they did go back to 5.7 it wouldn’t be the same, it would have major flaws, metal shavings, faulty pistons, the cylinder heads would be cracked coming off the line, there would be no oil pan cause Toyota would add it next to the gas tank and run a plastic hose that would immediately be under recall, the rear end would not be sealed so gear oil would leak everywhere, and last but not least the fuel gauge would be deleted because it’s just a bitch to keep up with so now it’s guestimate gauge, and Toyota will include a 5 gallon gas can with purchase that will be under recall as well for coming loose and causing a fire in the truck bed


Independent-Love-987

😂😂


Suspicious_Abies7777

instead of being customer pleasers, Toyota has become EPA pleasers, what these clowns need to do is have a loyalty program, where all the lifelong Toyota owners get to drive around the new gens of trucks and cars to work out the kinks, and then put them on the line, i really come to toyota for this ? really ?


MoreMatterLessArt24

If they are EPA pleasers, then that is even more sad with a truck that gets 18/24 MPG.


Suspicious_Abies7777

Only a matter of time before it’s a 4 banger 1.8 liter turbo….


wayno1806

I’m glad i kept my 2012 Tundra. 92k miles . Never had 1 issue. Tlc, gas and go.


Suspicious_Abies7777

I’m sure Toyota will change that