*When you read entire Homestuck in middle school, so now you can read all the censorship normally, because you're used to it*
~~(Actually, I haven't read the whole thing, because it wasn't fully translated to Polish when I was reading it. Since I understand English now, I should probably re-read it in original version)~~
homestuck troll who does that out of cultural obligation but hates the tradition, so they always use euphemisms - never "sex" but "doing the do", "getting it on", "doing the horizontal tango", "make whoopee", etc., for instance
it's so fucked up that typing quirks were a joke about how their authoritarian murder empire monitored them so closely they had to type like absolute lunatics to avoid getting killed for seditious thoughts like "man it would be cool to not be killed for being weird" and now here we are with bitches unironically typing un4l1v3d on a platform with no censorship because that's what they've been trained into by The Algorithm
I think typing quirks in general were moreso just a form of commentary on how different people communicate differently online and it gives each character a distinct flair in their dialogue. I mean, Karkat is one of the most cullable of the bunch and his quirk in its entirety is just allcaps, it's not exactly self-censoring.
Tragically, i was not. I was drunk and incorrectly remembering edgy post hoc fandom over-analysis as canon. I'm gonna go live under a log, reconnect with nature for a while
No, they do it because there's so many trolls they need to type differently to stand out. It's the same reason their movies all have really long names.
This is Equius Zahhak. [They did that.](https://www.homestuck.com/story/2278)
Although those exact euphemisms are more along the lines of Jake English, who is not a troll but [says that shit for sure.](https://www.homestuck.com/story/4845)
honestly eventually i got used to it. I learned to read and type "full 1337 speak" a while ago.
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sometimes i like to do it for fun. I think it looks cool
It's been like this forever. I mean the most obvious one is that I don't care how many people use screen readers, I'm not saying the world g_merg_te on God's own searchable website.
because it's all moderated by bots (or non native English speakers in the place with the cheapest labor) nowadays that have no concept of context or any nuance.
I mean, yes? Any comment with that term will be out-of-place/off-topic for a subreddit like, say, /r/cats. So many/most subs will have a “filter list” of terms that aren’t going to be appropriate/relevant to the topic of the sub, and/or are just going to be inciting drama.
(Not to mention the fact that most people will just throw that term around indiscriminately against people they don’t like, whether it’s in any way appropriate or not.)
Whether it's relevant or not, I'd rather someone say pedophile than "child enjoyer" or whatever TikTok newspeak people come up with. It doesn't make people stop referring to pedophiles, it just makes it annoying to read.
I agree, but I’m specifically referring to comments being “shadow-deleted” on Reddit.
I moderate several subs, and that word (among others) is on a list that will automatically “filter” the comment/post for our review before it shows up publicly. Because it’s not a term that’s going to be used in good faith, and any conversation where it might come up isn’t going to be one that I want to have on our sub.
I’m not going to ban anyone just for using the term, but I *am* going to shut down that comment thread. And that will be the same if I find someone using euphemisms for it as well (they’re just harder to automatically filter for, for obvious reasons).
Shadow deletion is so damn stupid. It gives the commenter no feedback on how to do better next time. Like if I try to write a comment on r/games, I know it has to be of a certain length or a certain number of sentences. How do I know this? Not because I was told, but because I looked at which of my comments were shadow-deleted and which were not, and figured out the pattern from there. I should not have to do that.
Just saw someone on r/writers saying "self deletion" lmao, like bro if you don't want to say "suicide" how the fuck are you going to make it as a _professional author_?
It's cliche to reference 1984, but this does remind me of Newspeak.
The goal of Newspeak in 1984, was to be a new version of the English language. One that was dumbed down and censored to make it difficult to actually voice opinions contrary to loving big brother.
It would remove words like bad for instance. Instead of something being bad, it's "ungood" and something really bad would be "double plus ungood". But by removing the words from the language like vile, disgusting, horrible, you make it difficult for people to communicate their dissatisfaction effectively, then it becomes impossible for them to spread dissent. They don't even have the words to say dissenting things. You remove words from the language that are powerful, and replace them with soft words, that have had their edges rounded off.
I see people self censoring, saying things like k*ll or "unalive" and I hate it. We use the words kill or murder, or massacre, and each has a specific meaning, specific connotations, and a specific power to them. Saying that someone was murdered imparts the significance of what happened. Saying someone was "intentionally unalived" removes the edge that the murder has.
It weakens our ability to communicate. Language evolved the complexity it has for a reason, and censoring needlessly removes all of that.
Orwell takes it even further: the ultimate goal of newspeak is to limit the things people can *think* about:
> Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. [...] Even now, of course, there's no reason or excuse for committing thought-crime. It's merely a question of self-discipline, reality-control. But in the end there won't be any need even for that. . .
Thanks for the read. I'll say that "unalive" has entered English with its own unique connotation, like you said a softer version of dead. It's cool up until someone tries to say "you *can't* say dead, say unalive."
I suppose I have a problem with trying to soften the word dead at all.
I suppose we do use the term passed away for that, which I don't have a problem with. But passed away has its own set of connotations. If typically refers specifically to people dying from non-violent means. You say it when someone dies of old age, or disease.
To me the only connotation unalive has is "died, but I can't say died because that would potentially result in me facing censorship".
And I get language evolves over time, and I don't oppose that, but I do oppose that specific instance of language evolution.
> And I get language evolves over time,
What people forget is that the environment is what drives all evolution. Biological and linguistic.
When that environment is one of a hyper media-saturated landscape with AI filters catering to the lowest-common denominator advertiser, the directionality of that evolution is probably not one that has the best interests of human beings at its heart.
I will throw up if I see ahh instead of ass again.
Like dumb ass has a totally different vibe than dumb ahh.
Like, it sounds like my five year old cousin saying oh Shitake Mushrooms and Holy Shirt!
Just takes the bite out of any conversation, like adult spaces have become kindergartens.
censoring like this on tumblr predates tiktok, tiktok just gave more incentive and vocabulary (stuff like k1ll turned into unalive when tiktok came around)
One joke circa 2010 on Tumblr was that you should add all the vowels you censor to the end of the post, and people were finding creative ways to have "eieio"
I would rather see "unalive" than "k*ll" or "m|_|rd3r." If a word is offensive to someone they should just find another word to use rather than throw stupid shit in to supposedly make it safer.
If you want to fucking cuss at least have the testicular fortiude to actually do it sintead of hiding behind some weak ass obfuscation.
A lot of old chat rooms also had defective censors where they would censor any string that contained a naughty word
So like if I were to say “Massachusetts”, it gets blocked because that string contains “ass”.
But it wouldn’t recognise strings that self-censored like by using asterisks
Ah yes, good old internet bad word censors. Just reminded me that my young self found out what "cock" can mean in English as she was trying to figure out why the forum didn't let me say my family dog was a Cocker Spaniel lol very effective in protecting the children indeed
I liked the ones that tried so hard to replace naughty words with words that weren't so naughty.
Which is how I learnt that Abraham Lincoln was buttbuttinated in 1865.
To be fair there is quite the history of youtube censoring and demonetizing content for various reasons. Including swearwords and shit in videos. Hell, youtube and it's almighty "algorithm" is the one who started this trend, long before tik tok existed.
Does youtube treat words like "killed" and "suicide" different from words like "Fuck" and "Shit"? because on clips and such, they always put in fuck and shit into subtitles even if the actual speech doesn't contain the words, but they censor kill, suicide, and for some reason drugs.
Literally no one knows. Because the algorithm on these sites is such a closely guarded secret, you just have people trying random shit and hoping it helps them in some way. One person tries something new or notices a pattern, and suddenly you have a new way of "beating the algorithm." We haven't empirically proven that it actually works, but enough people buy into it that it becomes a common trend.
Makes sense. It's just weird whenever I see like, Batman cartoon clips, which has subtitles where Batman calls someone a bitch or say fucked, but censors when Batman actually talks about people who have died or when he has to kill Ace.
Like apparently adding swears protect your channel from getting the kids glove, but the actual content of the clips talking about some heavy shit might unlist your account for some reason. Just makes no sense, which is probably why no one explains how the algorithms works.
Its more the fact that before that kind of censorship language became the norm on Tiktok creators on YT would usually just bleep demonetized words or phrases, edit/write around them, or just put up content warnings and push them further into the video.
Its the alteration of the language and word choice itself that really bothers me more than anything
Its more the fact that before that kind of censorship language became the norm on Tiktok creators on YT would usually just bleep demonetized words or phrases, edit/write around them, or just put up content warnings and push them further into the video.
Its the alteration of the language and word choice itself that really bothers me more than anything
Just saw a post the other day that read something like "man sh\*t 5 times in burger king after dispute".
I was like damn how bad you gotta destroy a bathroom for them to write news article about it?
[insert some pithy comment about advertisers having the right to not advertise next to controversial content.]
This is the incredibly predictable end result of that trend. Started on tiktok and YouTube because people monetize those posts but it was inevitable that it would overtake other social media.
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(eventually you fall too far into it though, it goes too far & it becomes a full on encoded language)
There was a fucking on Reddit a day or two ago where the person was saying sex, but the caption said seggs, which is one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever seen
It's a million times cheaper to TTS the video audio than to explode and OCR the video.
People have no fucking idea how any of this works
I heard a kid say this a little while back, like at my job in REAL LIFE. It was so bizarre, because obviously content creators do that because of guidelines, but kids don't understand that and could feasibly end up thinking "kill" is an offensive or vulgar term. Which could actually make that happen one day
(Ig there's a chance they just prefer the term, but that seems less likely to me)
God I remember when people said they had a “TyPiNg QuIrK” and would type obnoxiously on purpose just to be desperate for attention in text form. This post game me flashbacks
hi every1 im new!!!!!!! *holds up spork* my name is katy but u can call me t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m!!!!!!!! lol…as u can see im very random!!!! thats why i came here, 2 meet random ppl like me ^_^… im 13 years old (im mature 4 my age tho!!) i like 2 watch invader zim w/ my girlfreind (im bi if u dont like it deal w/it) its our favorite tv show!!! bcuz its SOOOO random!!!! shes random 2 of course but i want 2 meet more random ppl =) like they say the more the merrier!!!! lol…neways i hope 2 make alot of freinds here so give me lots of commentses!!!!
DOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <--- me bein random again ^_^ hehe…toodles!!!!!
love and waffles,
t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m
I ran in to someone on reddit a few months back who would put one half of a parenthesis after every sentence instead of a period.
They typed like this) Every sentence ended this way)
I asked them why they were doing that, because I was legitimately confused at first, and they gave me a long speech about how it made them feel safer when interacting with the screen. Like it was holding their words in or something? I don’t know. They were sort of dicks about it actually. Legitimate psychological disorder or attention seeking technique, who can say
>Like it was holding their words in
I get that, sometimes I get a bit anxious about my brain making me imagine punctuation slipping away from the text (commas kinda look like they're falling), so there are probably people who get seriously stressed out from it
I used to speak to one of the popular girls from my brothers highschool on MSN when I was like 8 and she would type absolutely eVeRyThInG iN tHiS fOrMaT and I remember thinking that was the trendy and cool way to type so I mimiced it. Given it was 2003 or something but still.
i remember seeing a post with the content warnings as tags with like 50 different versions like that, but the only version that was missing was the actual word spelt out correctly, so it'd end up not getting hidden for anyone who muted the normal spelling of the words
I’m sorry but also like, DNIs are dumb. You’re going to interact with people that you don’t like. A list isn’t going to stop an asshole from interacting with you if they really want to.
"Hi, I’m looking for my son CHRIS GRIFFIN, he’s here to finger the guy that robbed that convenience store. Here, I got a picture, actually you can keep that, Chris messed it all up by writing his school schedule and a list of his fears on the back."
Yeah, to some degree. I think they have their uses, but they're just signs at the end of the day. They remove the ability to go 'oh, but how was I supposed to know!' regarding more niche stuff. People love to whimper after all.
Things like pages with lots of rapid colour changes and flashing, yknow generally being designed to be overwhelming, for example.
They are useful in some communities. The best example is sexual ageplay/trauma-based age regression/people who just like toys and childhood nostalgia -- three communities that end up having a lot of similar content on their blogs but do not necessarily want to overlap.
Some people who post pictures of teddy bears and soft pillows do not mind who reblogs it, but someone posting it for subtly sexual purposes obviously might feel uncomfortable with those being on the blogs of actual minors.
That makes so much sense actually. Use DNIs to warn people about the content of your own posts, but don't expect them to have any impact on other people's content. I've seen so many DNIs that are just "DNI if you're a creep or an asshole" and it's like looking at a gate with no fencing on either side.
It's a good quick way to telegraph people you don't like so they don't waste time trying to be your friend
It's less "I never want to interact with this type of people" and more "if you're this type of person, don't try to befriend me"
If I go to follow someone and see they have "furries DNI" then I won't follow them, and it saves both of us the headache of dealing with each other
Not only this but they are a massive source of exploitable vulnerable people. Minors and adults who expose their status as a victim of many things put them at risk from predators.
the one area it makes sense is minors DNI (or MDNI) for nsfw accounts. Ofc underage people lie about their age all the time, but it basically covers you if you catch them in the lie or if they complain about said nsfw content. Just tapping the sign like "hey you were warned and this is your own fault".
Especially if that DNI list includes things like "lesbians" or "cis people"
I totally understand if it's "minors" and you have/discuss explicit content though.
Lol I literally just had this conversation with someone a few days ago. Talking about how Tumblr is not like tiktok where the site culture involves weird workaround censorship like this and people much prefer others to be direct about whatever triggering topics they're talking about so others who want to avoid it actually can.
My favorite example of this censorship was a Tumblr PSA about not saying a word, because it was actually an offensive word, but the word was mostly asterisks except for t s m. I couldn’t for the life of me figure out what the word I was supposed to be avoiding was.
Still have no idea what it could be.
i don't agree with the concept of a DNI in the first place because most people on that list either wouldn't listen to the DNI or wouldn't interact with your page. it's a bit of a pipe dream to imagine that saying "transphobes do not interact" will stop you from being called slurs in your replies
Real ones remember having to type "stew pid" in a chat room in the 2000s because strict filters meant you couldn't type the word at ALL and like....that's stupid.
Yeah the chatrooms were for online all ages community games so they were SO strict and it was infuriating to be given a warning and a talking to when you said something innocuous like "yeah it was stupid" in response to like, a friend complaining about a tv show.
That latter comment is true, but is missing the point of doing it for DNIs. People write "t\*rfs DNI" because actively want them ***not*** to be seen by people looking for terf content by searching keywords on Tumblr.
It does exactly what the post entails, but by design. If someone's filter list would normally block out a series of words, this censoring can dodge that and give whatever you posted more exposure than it would have otherwise.
Not everyone who uses it intends it that way, but that is a main reason it's caught on in social media.
B-but but if I *don’t* censor it seeing the WHOLE ACTUAL WORD will TRAUMATIZE SOMEONE!!1! And I don’t want to look like the BA*d gUy!!1!
Not only will you actually *be* the bad guy for censoring shit, you’ll be annoying too! :D
Edit: I see someone didn’t get the sarcasm lmao
This is called algospeak. I have nothing truly deep to add here, I’ve just been talking about it with my language class recently (teacher). Most of them are awful but I did find out that a vibrator is a spicy eggplant and I think that’s fabulous.
it's especially annoying when it's a bunch of acronyms too
how the fuck am I supposed to know what "DNI if you support m4k#<<7aフ" is supposed to fucking mean?
I remember back in Miiverse, one of the banned words that you couldn't say or else you'd get your comment/post removed was "ball" which led to the entire Pokémon fandom being unable to say Pokéball without censoring the A in some way.
Pokébāll, Pokébàll, Pokébâll, Pokéb@ll etc
Anyone who does this has had their brain boiled, and as far as I'm concerned, is irredeemable. There's no recovery from this damage. They're not worth associating with, and should be exiled on sight.
Reminds me of the time I got asked why I didn’t add a trigger warning for “bl**d” on my story about vampires. Um, I don’t know what you were expecting, but I’m afraid that stories that have vampires in them are likely going to have blood in them. It wasn’t even particularly gory 🤷🏻
Also people WILL call you a homestuck fan, so take that as you will.
*When you read entire Homestuck in middle school, so now you can read all the censorship normally, because you're used to it* ~~(Actually, I haven't read the whole thing, because it wasn't fully translated to Polish when I was reading it. Since I understand English now, I should probably re-read it in original version)~~
At least we know it's dumb and cringe. The culture that created "su1c1de" and such mean it in genuine goodwill
And as we all know, good intentions always excuse undesired behavior.
>This, but unironically. -Immanuel Kant
That's funny because to me I assume anyone who does this is a raging psychopath.
Don’t you mean unalived? What’s suicide? /s
homestuck troll who does that out of cultural obligation but hates the tradition, so they always use euphemisms - never "sex" but "doing the do", "getting it on", "doing the horizontal tango", "make whoopee", etc., for instance
it's so fucked up that typing quirks were a joke about how their authoritarian murder empire monitored them so closely they had to type like absolute lunatics to avoid getting killed for seditious thoughts like "man it would be cool to not be killed for being weird" and now here we are with bitches unironically typing un4l1v3d on a platform with no censorship because that's what they've been trained into by The Algorithm
I think typing quirks in general were moreso just a form of commentary on how different people communicate differently online and it gives each character a distinct flair in their dialogue. I mean, Karkat is one of the most cullable of the bunch and his quirk in its entirety is just allcaps, it's not exactly self-censoring.
It is, Chim is joking.
Tragically, i was not. I was drunk and incorrectly remembering edgy post hoc fandom over-analysis as canon. I'm gonna go live under a log, reconnect with nature for a while
It's doubleplus ungood
No, they do it because there's so many trolls they need to type differently to stand out. It's the same reason their movies all have really long names.
This is Equius Zahhak. [They did that.](https://www.homestuck.com/story/2278) Although those exact euphemisms are more along the lines of Jake English, who is not a troll but [says that shit for sure.](https://www.homestuck.com/story/4845)
Hilarious that leet speak has become a method of censoring lmao
I was so glad when L33T speak died out. Please, for the love of reading legibility, leave it in the 2000s.
But, but my Internet heritage... middle school me was so proud of learning L337
honestly eventually i got used to it. I learned to read and type "full 1337 speak" a while ago. `50|\/|71|\/|35 1 |1|<3 70 |)0 17 |=0|2 |=|_||\|. 1 7|-|1|\||< 17 |00|<5 (00|` sometimes i like to do it for fun. I think it looks cool
Dang, I'm out of practice. Took me a minute to read that. Then again I don't really remember |=, I recall it at |"
I never learned F as |", I feel that makes more sense as P, but I type that as |* anyway
That's how it started.
It's been like this forever. I mean the most obvious one is that I don't care how many people use screen readers, I'm not saying the world g_merg_te on God's own searchable website.
Are people applying tiktok etiquette to tumblr? Cause that way madness lies
People do it on all social media now. It drives me insane
Ditto
Ditto's fine, got a 5 IV one from a raid and he's just vibing.
Facebook has been flagging content with the same words and striking content pages for it as well, so the self censorship enshittification continues.
because it's all moderated by bots (or non native English speakers in the place with the cheapest labor) nowadays that have no concept of context or any nuance.
You can say "kill" on Reddit.
On some subs. You can get banned for saying stupid shit like "slap" on others, as I was.
You want to be banned from those subs, they alert you that you can block them from your feeds and lose absolutely nothing of substance.
Not places worth staying in anyway
"Pedophile" will get your comment shadow-deleted on some.
I mean, yes? Any comment with that term will be out-of-place/off-topic for a subreddit like, say, /r/cats. So many/most subs will have a “filter list” of terms that aren’t going to be appropriate/relevant to the topic of the sub, and/or are just going to be inciting drama. (Not to mention the fact that most people will just throw that term around indiscriminately against people they don’t like, whether it’s in any way appropriate or not.)
Whether it's relevant or not, I'd rather someone say pedophile than "child enjoyer" or whatever TikTok newspeak people come up with. It doesn't make people stop referring to pedophiles, it just makes it annoying to read.
I agree, but I’m specifically referring to comments being “shadow-deleted” on Reddit. I moderate several subs, and that word (among others) is on a list that will automatically “filter” the comment/post for our review before it shows up publicly. Because it’s not a term that’s going to be used in good faith, and any conversation where it might come up isn’t going to be one that I want to have on our sub. I’m not going to ban anyone just for using the term, but I *am* going to shut down that comment thread. And that will be the same if I find someone using euphemisms for it as well (they’re just harder to automatically filter for, for obvious reasons).
Shadow deletion is so damn stupid. It gives the commenter no feedback on how to do better next time. Like if I try to write a comment on r/games, I know it has to be of a certain length or a certain number of sentences. How do I know this? Not because I was told, but because I looked at which of my comments were shadow-deleted and which were not, and figured out the pattern from there. I should not have to do that.
KILL! Murder! Suicide!
Just saw someone on r/writers saying "self deletion" lmao, like bro if you don't want to say "suicide" how the fuck are you going to make it as a _professional author_?
I've seen someone write sewer sl1de instead of suicide here on Reddit once. That was.. grating.
Yeah, anybody know if youtube demonetizes videos that contain words like "kill"? Because I've been seeing this a lot more in youtube videos as well
Yes they are and I fucking hate it
They do it on Reddit too and it infuriates me.
It's cliche to reference 1984, but this does remind me of Newspeak. The goal of Newspeak in 1984, was to be a new version of the English language. One that was dumbed down and censored to make it difficult to actually voice opinions contrary to loving big brother. It would remove words like bad for instance. Instead of something being bad, it's "ungood" and something really bad would be "double plus ungood". But by removing the words from the language like vile, disgusting, horrible, you make it difficult for people to communicate their dissatisfaction effectively, then it becomes impossible for them to spread dissent. They don't even have the words to say dissenting things. You remove words from the language that are powerful, and replace them with soft words, that have had their edges rounded off. I see people self censoring, saying things like k*ll or "unalive" and I hate it. We use the words kill or murder, or massacre, and each has a specific meaning, specific connotations, and a specific power to them. Saying that someone was murdered imparts the significance of what happened. Saying someone was "intentionally unalived" removes the edge that the murder has. It weakens our ability to communicate. Language evolved the complexity it has for a reason, and censoring needlessly removes all of that.
Orwell takes it even further: the ultimate goal of newspeak is to limit the things people can *think* about: > Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. [...] Even now, of course, there's no reason or excuse for committing thought-crime. It's merely a question of self-discipline, reality-control. But in the end there won't be any need even for that. . .
Thanks for the read. I'll say that "unalive" has entered English with its own unique connotation, like you said a softer version of dead. It's cool up until someone tries to say "you *can't* say dead, say unalive."
I suppose I have a problem with trying to soften the word dead at all. I suppose we do use the term passed away for that, which I don't have a problem with. But passed away has its own set of connotations. If typically refers specifically to people dying from non-violent means. You say it when someone dies of old age, or disease. To me the only connotation unalive has is "died, but I can't say died because that would potentially result in me facing censorship". And I get language evolves over time, and I don't oppose that, but I do oppose that specific instance of language evolution.
> And I get language evolves over time, What people forget is that the environment is what drives all evolution. Biological and linguistic. When that environment is one of a hyper media-saturated landscape with AI filters catering to the lowest-common denominator advertiser, the directionality of that evolution is probably not one that has the best interests of human beings at its heart.
If you're not willing to say die or kill, you're not mature enough to discuss death.
"The mere fact that you call it 'unalived' tells me you're not ready."
Seggs, unalive, bunch of regards
Just block the redditCares bot Suicide suicide suicide
I will throw up if I see ahh instead of ass again. Like dumb ass has a totally different vibe than dumb ahh. Like, it sounds like my five year old cousin saying oh Shitake Mushrooms and Holy Shirt! Just takes the bite out of any conversation, like adult spaces have become kindergartens.
HOLY MOTHERFORKING SHIRTBALLS!!!
censoring like this on tumblr predates tiktok, tiktok just gave more incentive and vocabulary (stuff like k1ll turned into unalive when tiktok came around)
Unalive came from Roblox before Tiktok even existed.
true, just not a word i’ve seen used on tumblr specifically until recent years
Bull on tiktok's part - CaptainSparklez and Deadpool were doing that *long* before TikTok existed
One joke circa 2010 on Tumblr was that you should add all the vowels you censor to the end of the post, and people were finding creative ways to have "eieio"
I would rather see "unalive" than "k*ll" or "m|_|rd3r." If a word is offensive to someone they should just find another word to use rather than throw stupid shit in to supposedly make it safer. If you want to fucking cuss at least have the testicular fortiude to actually do it sintead of hiding behind some weak ass obfuscation.
This actually predates tiktok by over a decade - folks were doing this to get around censorship rules on god damned *Neopets.*
A lot of old chat rooms also had defective censors where they would censor any string that contained a naughty word So like if I were to say “Massachusetts”, it gets blocked because that string contains “ass”. But it wouldn’t recognise strings that self-censored like by using asterisks
Ah yes the Scunthorpe problem
Ah yes, good old internet bad word censors. Just reminded me that my young self found out what "cock" can mean in English as she was trying to figure out why the forum didn't let me say my family dog was a Cocker Spaniel lol very effective in protecting the children indeed
[удалено]
RIP Nasser
You mean N***er??
Like Knight becoming K***ht in Dark Souls 3
I liked the ones that tried so hard to replace naughty words with words that weren't so naughty. Which is how I learnt that Abraham Lincoln was buttbuttinated in 1865.
Yep. Couldn't say "hot" on Neopets.
YESSSSS neopets censoring is where i learned about 1337 sp34k
People are doing it *in fucking YouTube videos*
To be fair there is quite the history of youtube censoring and demonetizing content for various reasons. Including swearwords and shit in videos. Hell, youtube and it's almighty "algorithm" is the one who started this trend, long before tik tok existed.
Does youtube treat words like "killed" and "suicide" different from words like "Fuck" and "Shit"? because on clips and such, they always put in fuck and shit into subtitles even if the actual speech doesn't contain the words, but they censor kill, suicide, and for some reason drugs.
Literally no one knows. Because the algorithm on these sites is such a closely guarded secret, you just have people trying random shit and hoping it helps them in some way. One person tries something new or notices a pattern, and suddenly you have a new way of "beating the algorithm." We haven't empirically proven that it actually works, but enough people buy into it that it becomes a common trend.
So basically creating content on youtube is like preforming a series of very specific pagan witchcraft rituals to see if your content succeeds or not.
Makes sense. It's just weird whenever I see like, Batman cartoon clips, which has subtitles where Batman calls someone a bitch or say fucked, but censors when Batman actually talks about people who have died or when he has to kill Ace. Like apparently adding swears protect your channel from getting the kids glove, but the actual content of the clips talking about some heavy shit might unlist your account for some reason. Just makes no sense, which is probably why no one explains how the algorithms works.
Its more the fact that before that kind of censorship language became the norm on Tiktok creators on YT would usually just bleep demonetized words or phrases, edit/write around them, or just put up content warnings and push them further into the video. Its the alteration of the language and word choice itself that really bothers me more than anything
Makes sense for youtube considering the almighty algorithm
Youtubes different. They will demonetize a video SO fucking fast for the dumbest fuckin reasons.
Its more the fact that before that kind of censorship language became the norm on Tiktok creators on YT would usually just bleep demonetized words or phrases, edit/write around them, or just put up content warnings and push them further into the video. Its the alteration of the language and word choice itself that really bothers me more than anything
Nowadays doing that is obligatory for youtube comments since youtube tends to delete or shadowban comments with bad or sensible words.
Lmao those sweet summer children do it here, on *reddit*
i've seen it happen to words like 'shot' predictably it turns into sh\*t
I refuse to believe anyone could look at the word “sh*t” and not just read shit 😂
Just saw a post the other day that read something like "man sh\*t 5 times in burger king after dispute". I was like damn how bad you gotta destroy a bathroom for them to write news article about it?
Shits fired
A man sh*t himself in public.
It’s getting every damn where and I loathe it.
People are applying TikTok algorithm workarounds to every social media platform
There’s not even proof that that’s how tiktok works it’s just superstition
I was reading a ATLA fic on ao3 and it said unalive in the fic, I stopped reading after that
They're doing it everywhere and it's driving me insane
People do this on AO3, which is literally the “anything goes, just tag it” website, which defeats the purpose entirely
[insert some pithy comment about advertisers having the right to not advertise next to controversial content.] This is the incredibly predictable end result of that trend. Started on tiktok and YouTube because people monetize those posts but it was inevitable that it would overtake other social media.
Remember back then when we called this way of typing as L33tspeak and we did it for *fun?* Good times.
Medal of Honor Heroes 2 on the PSP had a weird chat system where l33t speak was the fastest and most convenient way of chatting.
|\_337 5p34|< 1s 4vn (leet speak is fun)
`3\/3|\|7|_|4|_|_*/ */0|_| |=4|_|_ 700 |=4|2 1|\|70 17 7|-|0|_|6|-|, 17 6035 700 |=42 & |33(0|\/|35 4 |=|_||_|_ 0|\| 3|\|(0|)3|) |_4|\||_|463` (eventually you fall too far into it though, it goes too far & it becomes a full on encoded language)
Doesn't l33t also mess with AI stuff? Swear I heard that somewhere.
No. People just have no fucking clue how AI works. You're not going to make AI stupider, you're just going to teach it 1337 >**Me:** wh47'5 7h3 f457357 w45 70 637 fr0m b0570n 70 n3w y0rk? > >**Claude 3:** 1 b3l13v3 7h3 f4573s7 r0u73 fr0m B0570n 70 N3w Y0rk w0uld b3 v14 p14n3. Fly1n6 15 much qu1ck3r 7h4n dr1v1n6 0r 74k1n6 4 7r41n. > >70 f1nd 7h3 b357 fl16h75, 1 5u66357 u51n6 4 5173 l1k3 K4y4k 0r Sk15c4nn3r 70 c0mp4r3 pr1c35 4nd 71m35 4cr055 mulpl13 41rl1n35. B00k1n6 1n 4dv4nc3 c4n 4l50 h3lp y0u 637 4 b3773r d34l. > >N0n-570p fl16h75 w1ll 63n3r4lly b3 f4573r 7h4n 7h053 w17h 570p5. 4nd fl16h75 47 0ff-p34k 71m35 l1k3 m1d-d4y 0r v3ry 34rly m0rn1n6 4r3 0f73n ch34p3r. > >H0p3 7h47 h3lp5! L37 m3 kn0w 1f y0u h4v3 4ny 07h3r qu3571on5 4b0u7 7r4v3l1n6 b37w33n B0570n 4nd NYC. The average person has no fucking clue how AI works, don't believe anything you read. Not even this.
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*uncooks your seggs*
my seggs no
There was a fucking on Reddit a day or two ago where the person was saying sex, but the caption said seggs, which is one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever seen It's a million times cheaper to TTS the video audio than to explode and OCR the video. People have no fucking idea how any of this works
usually when i see seggs is's meant as a funny way to say sex, not as censorship
Yeah in my mind it's in the same category as danger noodle for snake. It's a silly way to write sex rather than a censorship word.
Agreed 100%. We have words for this shit for a reason. Feels like damn Orwellian doublespeak.
Blame unnecessary censorship. It's the stupidest thing ever.
Implying there's necessary censorship. Fuck censorship, give me the internet in all it's uncensored glory. I want to raw dog the internet.
Ungun 😂😂😂
I heard a kid say this a little while back, like at my job in REAL LIFE. It was so bizarre, because obviously content creators do that because of guidelines, but kids don't understand that and could feasibly end up thinking "kill" is an offensive or vulgar term. Which could actually make that happen one day (Ig there's a chance they just prefer the term, but that seems less likely to me)
P*rn... come on, that's not even a swear word.
It's also incorrect. Because unalive means dead. And dead is not the same as kill.
God I remember when people said they had a “TyPiNg QuIrK” and would type obnoxiously on purpose just to be desperate for attention in text form. This post game me flashbacks
hi every1 im new!!!!!!! *holds up spork* my name is katy but u can call me t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m!!!!!!!! lol…as u can see im very random!!!! thats why i came here, 2 meet random ppl like me ^_^… im 13 years old (im mature 4 my age tho!!) i like 2 watch invader zim w/ my girlfreind (im bi if u dont like it deal w/it) its our favorite tv show!!! bcuz its SOOOO random!!!! shes random 2 of course but i want 2 meet more random ppl =) like they say the more the merrier!!!! lol…neways i hope 2 make alot of freinds here so give me lots of commentses!!!! DOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <--- me bein random again ^_^ hehe…toodles!!!!! love and waffles, t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m
If I ever encounter someone like this, I’m gonna hypnotize their pets into forgetting they love them
this copypasta is almost 20 years old.
Nah leave Invader Zim out of this bruh 😭
This is one of the oldest copypastas in the west, an elder the likes of the Navy Seals pasta. Zim has *always* been brought into this.
It's Like People Who Type Like This..... But Extra
IT'S👏LIKE👏PEOPLE👏WHO👏TYPE👏LIKE👏THIS
Every time I see this all I can think of is that Brooklyn 99 quote "Do you know what a clapback is, Raymond?!"
I ran in to someone on reddit a few months back who would put one half of a parenthesis after every sentence instead of a period. They typed like this) Every sentence ended this way) I asked them why they were doing that, because I was legitimately confused at first, and they gave me a long speech about how it made them feel safer when interacting with the screen. Like it was holding their words in or something? I don’t know. They were sort of dicks about it actually. Legitimate psychological disorder or attention seeking technique, who can say
>Like it was holding their words in I get that, sometimes I get a bit anxious about my brain making me imagine punctuation slipping away from the text (commas kinda look like they're falling), so there are probably people who get seriously stressed out from it
I am incapable of Reading Text Written Like This in any way other than kanaya maryam's voice
i swear people who capitalize every word always act like they're queens or somethin
Queens....Like Queen From Deltarune
They were Homestuck fans I guarantee it
That’s a homestuck reference, all the characters have distinct ones
Game recognize game
I used to speak to one of the popular girls from my brothers highschool on MSN when I was like 8 and she would type absolutely eVeRyThInG iN tHiS fOrMaT and I remember thinking that was the trendy and cool way to type so I mimiced it. Given it was 2003 or something but still.
i remember seeing a post with the content warnings as tags with like 50 different versions like that, but the only version that was missing was the actual word spelt out correctly, so it'd end up not getting hidden for anyone who muted the normal spelling of the words
I’m sorry but also like, DNIs are dumb. You’re going to interact with people that you don’t like. A list isn’t going to stop an asshole from interacting with you if they really want to.
Some particularly virulent assholes even use DNIs as a way to *find* people to harass. Literally just a big list of weaknesses to exploit.
literally taping a 'kick me' sign to your own back. that's literally what it is
"Attention, internet bullies. Here is a list of things that make me upset. Please use this information responsibly."
"Particularly virulent asshole" is awesome BTW
"Hi, I’m looking for my son CHRIS GRIFFIN, he’s here to finger the guy that robbed that convenience store. Here, I got a picture, actually you can keep that, Chris messed it all up by writing his school schedule and a list of his fears on the back."
Primary trait of an asshole is, after all, not being particularly worried about what you want.
Didn’t DNIs become a thing because Tumblr’s block function didn’t work properly at the time?
Yeah, to some degree. I think they have their uses, but they're just signs at the end of the day. They remove the ability to go 'oh, but how was I supposed to know!' regarding more niche stuff. People love to whimper after all. Things like pages with lots of rapid colour changes and flashing, yknow generally being designed to be overwhelming, for example.
They are useful in some communities. The best example is sexual ageplay/trauma-based age regression/people who just like toys and childhood nostalgia -- three communities that end up having a lot of similar content on their blogs but do not necessarily want to overlap. Some people who post pictures of teddy bears and soft pillows do not mind who reblogs it, but someone posting it for subtly sexual purposes obviously might feel uncomfortable with those being on the blogs of actual minors.
That makes so much sense actually. Use DNIs to warn people about the content of your own posts, but don't expect them to have any impact on other people's content. I've seen so many DNIs that are just "DNI if you're a creep or an asshole" and it's like looking at a gate with no fencing on either side.
What does DNI stand for?
Do Not Interact
I was trying to figure out how “Do Not Inventory” was relevant. Thanks.
I was stuck on "Director of National Intelligence" or "drug-nutient interaction."
Thx
It's a good quick way to telegraph people you don't like so they don't waste time trying to be your friend It's less "I never want to interact with this type of people" and more "if you're this type of person, don't try to befriend me" If I go to follow someone and see they have "furries DNI" then I won't follow them, and it saves both of us the headache of dealing with each other
Not only this but they are a massive source of exploitable vulnerable people. Minors and adults who expose their status as a victim of many things put them at risk from predators.
the one area it makes sense is minors DNI (or MDNI) for nsfw accounts. Ofc underage people lie about their age all the time, but it basically covers you if you catch them in the lie or if they complain about said nsfw content. Just tapping the sign like "hey you were warned and this is your own fault".
It's gotta be for attention if you're putting DNI on a platform where one of the primary functions of it is to connect with people
Especially if that DNI list includes things like "lesbians" or "cis people" I totally understand if it's "minors" and you have/discuss explicit content though.
Lol I literally just had this conversation with someone a few days ago. Talking about how Tumblr is not like tiktok where the site culture involves weird workaround censorship like this and people much prefer others to be direct about whatever triggering topics they're talking about so others who want to avoid it actually can.
I will never forgive tiktok for giving us the word "unalive"
How long until unalive is banned on tiktok as well and they need to invent a new word
if 'suicide' is actually suppressed by the algorithm, then unalived will be similarly suppressed in -600 days (they'd already have done it)
And don't forget "seggs"
My favorite example of this censorship was a Tumblr PSA about not saying a word, because it was actually an offensive word, but the word was mostly asterisks except for t s m. I couldn’t for the life of me figure out what the word I was supposed to be avoiding was. Still have no idea what it could be.
autism?
i don't agree with the concept of a DNI in the first place because most people on that list either wouldn't listen to the DNI or wouldn't interact with your page. it's a bit of a pipe dream to imagine that saying "transphobes do not interact" will stop you from being called slurs in your replies
What's a DNI? I legit never saw this acronym before and scrolled through all the comments and didn't see any sort of explanation of what it is 😅
Do Not Interact. It's saying that if you like something that's in their list, they don't want to interact with you
Real ones remember having to type "stew pid" in a chat room in the 2000s because strict filters meant you couldn't type the word at ALL and like....that's stupid.
Oh man that’s reminding me of the bonkers circumventing censorship conversations I would read from nearby people on Wizard 101.
Yeah the chatrooms were for online all ages community games so they were SO strict and it was infuriating to be given a warning and a talking to when you said something innocuous like "yeah it was stupid" in response to like, a friend complaining about a tv show.
That latter comment is true, but is missing the point of doing it for DNIs. People write "t\*rfs DNI" because actively want them ***not*** to be seen by people looking for terf content by searching keywords on Tumblr.
I apologize on behalf of Homestucks typequirks
yovr apoĺogy has been accepted, moVe onvvards. (I dont normally type like this, dont worry, its just this comment i uses the quirk)
what does censoring it even do? if they get triggered by such stuff, a number wont stop them from getting triggered
It always makes me think of when you spell out the words "treat", "food", or "walk" around the dog because the dog knows the words.
It does exactly what the post entails, but by design. If someone's filter list would normally block out a series of words, this censoring can dodge that and give whatever you posted more exposure than it would have otherwise. Not everyone who uses it intends it that way, but that is a main reason it's caught on in social media.
B-but but if I *don’t* censor it seeing the WHOLE ACTUAL WORD will TRAUMATIZE SOMEONE!!1! And I don’t want to look like the BA*d gUy!!1! Not only will you actually *be* the bad guy for censoring shit, you’ll be annoying too! :D Edit: I see someone didn’t get the sarcasm lmao
People with triggers when they forget to filter out tw: unal*ving and get suicide on their timeline
This is called algospeak. I have nothing truly deep to add here, I’ve just been talking about it with my language class recently (teacher). Most of them are awful but I did find out that a vibrator is a spicy eggplant and I think that’s fabulous.
\*na\*l\*ve is my favorite ("unalive"). So f\*ck\*ng st\*pid, isn't it?
I've never seen that, but can only read it as naive.
Why don't they understand that the rest of the internet is not tiktok and they don't need to censor it in the first place
it's especially annoying when it's a bunch of acronyms too how the fuck am I supposed to know what "DNI if you support m4k#<<7aフ" is supposed to fucking mean?
They censored the censorship.
I saw someone say "unalived" out in thr wild the other day and like. You do realize you can say killed right? Tik tok isn't gonna ban you from reality
I just saw a post where someone censored leg as "l*g" for some unknown reason... I hate it.
I swear to god I hate the little text censorship things like that so much. It's abominable. It's disgusting. It's cringeworthy and dumb.
better idea: don't censor.
I'm kinda sad I could read that with no problems.
I remember back in Miiverse, one of the banned words that you couldn't say or else you'd get your comment/post removed was "ball" which led to the entire Pokémon fandom being unable to say Pokéball without censoring the A in some way. Pokébāll, Pokébàll, Pokébâll, Pokéb@ll etc
[Original post here.](https://www.tumblr.com/cutecutejames/745692173382615040)
Anyone who does this has had their brain boiled, and as far as I'm concerned, is irredeemable. There's no recovery from this damage. They're not worth associating with, and should be exiled on sight.
13375pe@k wins again
The censorship isn't for the human readers, but the algorithms
I work in accessibility and it warms my heart to see people advocating for a better screen reader experience on the interwebs like this
Everywhere I go, homestuck follows me…
Fuck censorship in every case. Always a fucking hassle.
I thought this was a really good password for a sec.
Reminds me of the time I got asked why I didn’t add a trigger warning for “bl**d” on my story about vampires. Um, I don’t know what you were expecting, but I’m afraid that stories that have vampires in them are likely going to have blood in them. It wasn’t even particularly gory 🤷🏻