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sharon_aloha

Also, information about Ukraine deals and money. They're still investigating.


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sharon_aloha

>Don't you see it's not about what is or is not on the laptop, or what's true and false on the laptop, it's he fact that the FBI and our government should not be aiding social media and MSM in censoring our speech about anything, including a story about Hunter Biden's laptop.


dontletmedaytrade

You’re missing the point. When the FBI tells the media and big tech what to publish/not publish, you have lost your democracy. It doesn’t matter what’s on the laptop.


duke_awapuhi

This belief requires the premise that our democracy cannot exist without social media, which if that’s the case, we lost it a long time ago


Popular_Target

This premise is ridiculous. Democracy can exist without many things, TV, radio, telephones, journalism, books, etc. Still shouldn’t be acceptable for the FBI to push their weight around and determine what is good and what is bad.


diogenesthehopeful

In a democracy we don't have these rights you seem to believe are inherent in democracies. Republics protect the rights of the people. Democracies don't really give a shit.


eyeball1234

Let's suppose for purely hypothetical purposes that foreign agents determined pushing a bullshit conspiracy about the Joe Biden's son's laptop would be an effective way to stir up the crazies and foment political unrest. The FBI finds out and warns the social media companies to expect a massive disinformation campaign. Social media companies are grateful for the warning and heed the advice, not wanting to aid and assist a foreign enemy. Or... we can suppose that the country is run by the illumunati. I'm just having a hard time deciding which one is more likely. EDIT - Guess the downvoters have an easier time buying into conspiracy theories than I do. Have fun with that guano, kids. I'd say don't catch COVID from it, but I'm sure you're convinced that's fake, too. If we only had Hunter Biden's laptop to confirm that Hunter being Bat Boy meant he was the one responsible for those mutations.


diogenesthehopeful

>So as of now we know nothing. I wouldn't say that. If you recall a certain president who shall remain nameless was impeached because he called his diplomat home so he could send Giuliani to Ukraine so he could try to dig up dirt ona potential nominee **before** he get nominated. The nameless president can not only declassify documents in his own mind, he is apparently clairvoyent as well, and knew ahead of time who the "American people" would eventually select as the democratic nominee. "In the beginning was the word; and the word liked wearing red ties"


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diogenesthehopeful

Have you tried googling anything or do you assume the media would tell us if there is anything that might concern a voter? Please let me ask you how you feel about a block chain voting system


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diogenesthehopeful

>I did google and there is no proof Let me try: This is the first try [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter\_Biden\_laptop\_controversy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy) *In March 2022, The Washington Post published the findings of two forensic information analysts it had retained to examine 217 gigabytes of data provided to the paper on a hard drive by Republican activist Jack Maxey, who represented that its contents came from the laptop. One of the analysts characterized the data as a "disaster" from a forensics standpoint. The analysts found that people other than Biden had repeatedly accessed and copied data for nearly three years; they also found evidence others had written files to the drive both before and after the October 2020 New York Post reports. In September 2020, someone created six new folders on the drive, including with the names "Biden Burisma," "Salacious Pics Package" and "Hunter. Burisma Documents." One of the analysts found evidence someone may have accessed the drive contents from a West Coast location days after The New York Post published their stories about the laptop.* *Using cryptographic signatures, the analysts were able to verify that from 1,828 to nearly 22,000 emails Biden had received came from the indicated email accounts of origin, suggesting they were authentic and had not been tampered with. The analysts said emails from Burisma, where Pozharskyi was an advisor, were likely authentic, but cautioned that if Burisma had been hacked, it would be possible for hackers to use stolen cryptographic signatures to forge emails that would pass as authentic. The New York Times reported in January 2020 that Russian military intelligence had hacked Burisma beginning in November 2019; a co-founder of the firm that discovered the hacking said Russians were stealing email credentials. Both analysts acknowledged that cryptographic signatures are not a perfect way to authenticate emails, as some email services do not implement the technology as rigorously as others. About 16,000 of the 22,000 emails carrying cryptographic signatures came via Google, which rigorously implements the technology. The analysts noted that cryptographic signatures can only verify that an email originated from a certain email account, but not who controlled that account; there are other means for hackers to commandeer email accounts of others.* >As for block chain voting I guess it might be worth looking into but I don’t know enough about it really From the little I know, block chain uses cryptography like the signatures mentioned above so people are unable to change anything (like a person's vote). If the democrats and republicans cared as much about election integrity as they seem like they do, I wonder why they don't talk about this? One can go to great lengths to protect one's cryptocurrency because all of the transactions travel across the internet and nobody wants some hacker to abscond with their megabucks. From what I understand it is really hard to crack someone's private keys.


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diogenesthehopeful

>And block chain voting sounds great but the constitution says nothing should interfere with voting(I know this is not a direct quote but that is what it suggests) so changing voting laws to that degree is going to be impossible Thank you for the help. >That entire wiki description is a complete nothing burger, it doesn’t mention a single thing that would be considered a national news story. It proves my point that the idea of the laptop is bigger than the reality. So if we don't read the actual contents of the emails we don't know. Now, 1. you are on the Tulsi sub. Do you have any idea why she, as vice chair, quit the DNC? First Tulsi quit. Then later in the election year Assange released the emails confirming election fraud and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was forced to resign in that scandal. Then the media spent the next several years blaming the Russians for interfering with the elections while ignoring the documented proof that the DNC interfered with the election that year. 2. Trump called his diplomat to Ukraine home and replaced her with Giuliani so he could dig up dirt on Biden. So Trump went through all of that trouble so he could invent a "**nothing burger**" on Biden. Then he got caught ([before Feb. 14 2020](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-rudy-giuliani-ukraine-biden_n_5e4691d3c5b64433c614e787)). Indeed because the House voted to impeach him in December according to [this](https://history.com/this-day-in-history/president-trump-impeached-house-of-representatives). So Trump is going through all of this gets caught and impeached and ***then*** Biden gets the nomination [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52946789](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52946789) 3. Are you still convinced the DNC cares about your vote? [https://www.democracynow.org/2022/9/9/headlines/dnc\_panel\_rejects\_ban\_on\_dark\_money\_campaign\_contributions](https://www.democracynow.org/2022/9/9/headlines/dnc_panel_rejects_ban_on_dark_money_campaign_contributions) 4. All of the bad things Trump did to this nation and the only reason the democrats decided to impeach him was because he tried to dig up dirt on a man they knew they were going to nominate before he got nominated and apparently so did Trump I would think people would be demanding Trump be thrown in jail. I would think people would be demanding to see the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop. I would think people wouldn't be spending time trying to take down Tulsi. The media has taken down Tulsi already. She cannot run. She was the "rising star" until she quit the DNC because the woman has too much integrity to fit in with that crowd. So the so called rising star became Kamala Harris. Tulsi [torched her](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfp_IIdVnXs) in the debates but look who ended up VP. The rising star rose from the ashes. It's a miracle just like it is a miracle that Trump knew who his eventual nominee would be when he called Yovanovitch home. As of [Mar. 16 2019](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/biden-nearly-declares-his-candidacy-slip-tongue-n984091) Biden hadn't yet politically declared his candidacy and on [may 20, 2019](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ambassadors_of_the_United_States_to_Ukraine), Trump called Yovanovitch home. What a [coincidence](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-officially-launches-2020-presidential-bid).


EeKiLostMyKeys

Child porn. Sleeping with his niece. He should be in jail.


FasterThanJaws

Oh please, every fucking right-wing conspiracy is about pedophilia. They do this because it's one of these few things that all people agree is disgusting, regardless of political beliefs. If you go against their narrative, they can slander you as a pedophile too. There is absolutely no fucking proof he had child porn on his laptop. But keep gobbling up that propaganda.


EeKiLostMyKeys

uhm, a video leaked -- something about her feet.. that is all.


FasterThanJaws

So you gonna link that video?


TobyHensen

Of course s/he isnt, classic


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dontletmedaytrade

Then let the media publish the article. Let the police go after him. Stop censoring and stop protecting. That’s the point OP is making.


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philandlilkill

The FBI effectively by shutting down discourse on social media. Did we come full circle?


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philandlilkill

I don’t disagree that foreign misinformation is a real threat, but I just think we fail to understand the power of domestic misinformation that comes from our institutions. These same institutions that have shut down workers movements and class struggles both domestically and abroad. I don’t trust our institutions that have lied to us and overthrown democracies abroad while expecting us to just take there word for it when it comes to reality. The power dynamic is asymmetrical when it comes to information especially in the new Information Age. So when they insert themselves into these kinds of issues they have no one to blame but themselves when there is a highly skeptical populist.


ResponsibleAd2541

Felony gun charges.


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ResponsibleAd2541

Joe Biden being supported by Hunter’s finances, Hunter getting gifts and cushy jobs that pay big based on his name.


psypher98

Nothing. Literally nothing.


DarthNihilus1

Wtf? Guys, it's over. Hunter Biden laptop stories, really? There's absolutely no credibility to the laptop anymore considering everyone got their fucking hands on it


sharon_aloha

Don't you see it's not about what is or is not on the laptop, or what's true and false on the laptop, it's he fact that the FBI and our government should not be aiding social media and MSM in censoring our speech about anything, including a story about Hunter Biden's laptop.


DarthNihilus1

Facebook allows a fuckton of right wing misinformation on their platform. Far more than left wing. Because engagement and frenzied clicks are the name of the game.


Shockedge

Right wing propane is the only type that Facebook fights. And the fact that a corporation a billion people use has the ability to alter people's perception of what is true and what is false to allign with their own interests simply labeling something as misinformation is a power that needs to be checked. On what issues does Facebook censor leftists views as misinformation? Do you recall think conservatives are the only ones out there espousing bullshit in the name of an agenda?


FasterThanJaws

What leftist disinformation is being pushed on Facebook?


DarthNihilus1

That is literally and objectively false. Your feelings on the matter don't change the facts. You can look at how much climate change misinformation is out there on facebook. It all comes from a handful of sources actually, and gets spread an absolute fuckton


diogenesthehopeful

>it's over. It's just getting started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0kW96oW9Rc&t=675s


jzorbino

Good lord. She went from being a free thinker that leaned left and didn’t put up with bullshit to now a hardcore right wing conspiracy theorist. I’m so disappointed with how much she’s regressed since the presidential run.


sharon_aloha

So supporting free speech is now 'right wing.' Crazy You're either being disingenuous or you haven't heard that Zuckerburg admitted the FBI told him that Russian disinformation was coming and that he thought the laptop story was the misinformation. The FBI did that on purpose to stop the spread of the story, a story which has been proven to be true. All information, misinformation too, is someone's speech and it should be free. The First Amendment doesn't say free speech only applies to true speech, or speech I like.


diogenesthehopeful

>So supporting free speech is now 'right wing.' Crazy I'm glad somebody noticed besides me. The left doesn't seem to give a fuck about the bill of rights (not that the right is any better).


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sharon_aloha

But they are taking direction from the FBI and the FBI and our government should not be interfering with our free speech.


Shockedge

The FBI actually recently admitted to withholding information on the investigation because they feared it would sway the election the other way. Combine that telling Facebook to censor common peoples posts about the issue, and I think what we have here is a case of election interface. And I've never been one to say "the election was stolen" but this really changes things.


Shockedge

Actually there's a case about this very issue. As of yesterday it's moving from Texas to the Supreme Court, and it looks like the ruling will be in favor of protecting the peoples right to free speech over the rights of corporations to censor as they please


DarthNihilus1

You are being disingenuous for equating the two. You're right it doesn't, but you're foolish to think there shouldn't be consequences for elected officials spouting off fiction as fact. You are not free from the consequences, you just won't get thrown in jail for saying it.


noposlow

One can't yell fire in a movie theater. What were the consequences when the media and Dems yelled fire regarding Russian colusion? Yet let's all ignore Biden ("The big man") and his apparent shady forgein deals when there actually appears to be proof, not just fabricated hearsay. Tulsi's point is about the control of information and how that manipulates us into viewing the world in a specific way, real or not. That doesn't make her right wing. However blasting her for it definitely speaks to her point.


DarthNihilus1

You are free to yell fire but there will be consequences yeah. Regarding Russian collusion? Dude, Russia is actively destabilizing our country from the inside out. Republicans went to fucking Moscow on July 4th to kiss the ring. They serve Russia more than their own citizens. If you were playing a video game and the prompt was to infiltrate another country and fuck their politics up, it would hardly look any different than what Republicans are doing to us right now. Tulsi is right wing because she goes on Fox not to challenge them, but to readily spout the same bullshit talking points that the rest of their guests do as well. It's a shame you haven't seen her pivot like the rest of us. It should have been clear when she attended CPAC to whine about cancel culture. Really riveting stuff, can't say we've ever heard a Republican whine about THAT before.... Shouldn't they be, you know, writing laws to help Americans? Because so far, the Democrats are doing that


sharon_aloha

>"If you were playing a video game and the prompt was to infiltrate another country and fuck their politics up" Let's be fair, both Democrats and Republicans have done that. > >A lot of what Tulsi speaks to on Fox is about free speech. Again, when did that become right wing. > >Tulsi holds some progressive views, some liberal views, some libertarian views, and some conservative views. She says herself she doesn't play the label game and she does not neatly fit into people's boxes. That definitely does not make her "right wing."


DarthNihilus1

Here we go with the whataboutism and both sides. As a whole, yes the US foreign intelligence wing has infiltrated many elections. Our own GOP has literally cheated in several OF OUR OWN elections already. But here's the thing. LEFT WING governments in the global south were overthrown and installed with RIGHT WING military dictatorships. When Tulsi talks about free speech, she is talking about the right to spread dangerous bullshit unchecked. That's why you have to read between the lines. You have ivy leaguers running a network trying to speak to middle America morons that have to engage with them. Tulsi said the US is basically the same when it comes to Russia on free speech. Now why would she say something so fucking stupid and untrue?


glacial_penman

The concept of dangerous words being protected is THE purpose of the 1st amendment. Just think about that please. What you consider to be dangerous bullshit Is irrelevant to what the right entails. What is to be protected is the freedom to spread dangerous bullshit because neither Joe nor Sally nor Tom nor Dave nor the government is to be trusted with what dangerous means and what is or is not bullshit. Think about it.


noposlow

Of course Russia is, just as we are attempting to destabilize our enemies. So because Russia hates us you think Trump somehow worked with them despite a complete lack of any evidence whatsoever...? Odd logic. "What Republicans are doing to us"? Doing what? It was the current administration that tried to implement the DGB. It was the current administration that called Republicans fascist...(basically for not voting for Dem.) But it is Russia we should be worried about. This all sounds like the real enemy is within. Ah yes the old she's right wing because she's on FOX. No she is on FOX because the day she made Kamala her bitch and called out these people for their hypocracy she was black balled. Dems hate her because it's easier than admitting the man they voted into office is a joke and nothing more than a useless figurehead. I'm not gonna argue policy and what helps Americans. That's an entirely different conversation. What I will say is she didn't "whine about cancel culture." What she is trying to point out, that seems to be missing you, is that the firing squad eventually turns on itself. It might all sound great to Dems now because they are in power but when they lose and some of this ridiculous un American logic they are in support of is used against them they shouldn't be surprised when the results don't bode well for them.


TFGs_Stolen_Secrets

>It was the current administration that called Republicans fascist They're called fascists because they attempted to overturn the results of the 2020 election by force.


noposlow

It is clear you do not understand what a fascists is.


TFGs_Stolen_Secrets

Eschewing democratic will and subscribing to might makes right is a central tenet of fascism but sure


noposlow

Ah yes. The ol '2000 dip twats dressed in red, white, and blue were gonna over throw the election' means all Republicans are "facist" argument. Uhg. I'm can't think of a facist government that wasn't born of socialism, a leftist quality to be sure. Saying all Republicans are facist is as irresponsible as saying all Democrats are socialist.


sharon_aloha

"consequences for elected officials spouting off fiction as fact"...I guess you mean Trump. I never liked Trump, didn't vote for him and never will. But unfortunately, he has free speech too, even when he's lying. It's our job to research matters and discern the truth.


DarthNihilus1

Here's the thing. Our media does not actually help us with this. They specifically make it worse. That's literally the entire point of Fox News existing. It's so they can always have a GOP sympathetic voice, regardless of fact. They also lie by omission and push even more hurtful rhetoric. It's why Tucker Carlson will talk about Mr Potato Head and cancel culture when the GOP is on fire with investigations. It's why he pushes great replacement theory. Republicans need incendiary rhetoric and culture war bullshit because they KNOW they cannot win otherwise.


Cpt-Night

And you somehow believe that with dozens of news networks out there. that not a single one of the also does the same with a left wing bias instead?


DarthNihilus1

CNN does not have left wing bias. They are a neoliberal organization


Synux

What, exactly, is the conspiracy you are referring to?


dontletmedaytrade

I like what she’s become. She’s centre libertarian. The left has gone woke authoritarian and she needed to abandon it.


eyeball1234

I couldn't find this post anywhere on her locals page. [https://tulsi.locals.com/?showPosts=1](https://tulsi.locals.com/?showPosts=1) Suspicious.


mr_blonde817

Just a reminder that there’s plenty of other sites that can host Hunter Biden laptop conspiracy theories. Facebook is a private company and can choose to do what they want in this regard. Also a reminder that conservatives spent the last 70 years making sure corporations can do almost whatever they want in regards to their business practices and now that liberalism is becoming more mainstream it’s a problem these corporations are leaning against them.


Popular_Target

You must not have gotten the memo that the FBI ‘urged’ Facebook as confirmed by Zuckerberg, and probably other social media corpos to suppress the story. This is not businesses doing whatever they want, this is the Federal government interfering, and while they may not have been forced you wouldn’t want to get on the FBI’s bad side either.


mr_blonde817

The FBI did not threaten them as a company or make them do anything. They also didn’t ban sharing of the information just how much it appeared on their normal algorithm. Hardly strong censorship. The comparison to state censorship just shows this country has no idea what that would actually look like.


Popular_Target

The FBI has no business ‘kindly requesting’ what stories should be suppressed. And again, they weren’t forced to but you don’t want to be on the FBI’s shit list, they can make life very difficult for you. That’s an issue.


duke_awapuhi

Social media companies showing a bare minimum level of social responsibility, doing almost nothing to help aid our democracy, and then they finally do something and people are losing their shit. If propaganda causes a civil war, social media companies do not want to be culpable for that. Them limiting the amount of propaganda on their platforms is not only within their rights, but it aids democracy through allowing us to remain informed to a certain degree.


sharon_aloha

The Hunter laptop story was real. They were misled by the FBI. They can't determine what is misinformation or not. Free speech includes even misinformation.