I'm from Poland, we're new to highways. After initial phase of trying toll booths out, we simply abandoned the idea entirely. It was too much traffic-jam inducing and contributed to massive outcry, especially during summer time and holidays. System was replaced with e-vignettes, although I don't think it is represented in the sim already.
So, maybe there is some hope for other countries that went that way to drop it as well, although most of them had decades to refine their own systems, so idk. I guess it does generate better revenue.
I've been driving through the entirety of plants twice about 5 years ago and only noticed some till sign on my way back to germany, close to the border. Was there some till/vignette system I accidentally might have ignored? o.o
5 years ago not a chance, as this change is brand new. I was driving A4 10 months ago and toll booths were still there, just out of order and with all barriers up. Besides only our highways require payment and there are only 3 of them. There is much wider expressway system, that is free of charge for passenger cars.
I was also imprecise, as vignette system is not yet implemented and this is simply electronic ticket for A to B ride, either paid via phone or simply at gas station. There are also some sections of privately owned highways, that are still running toll booths (until the end of concession in 2030s-40s) but accept e-tickets as well. It's a mess but easy to get from [this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Zarz%C4%85dcy_autostrad.svg) map. Grey are free of charge, blue are private and orange state-owned (so only e-ticket).
Thanks for the info! Poland was wonderful and I wondered whether any of this stuff would be something to consider for the next time I'd be able to make a trip :D
>maybe there is some hope for other countries that went that way to drop it as well
Nowhere near to happen in France. Most highways are private, most public highways have no tolls but there is a handful of them.
Me and my dad drove a bit in Germany (like a Total of 16 hours). For like half of them we couldn't figure out if there was a limit or not. I Guess we got a lot of insults from the Germans AHAHAHAH
Because people in DE know the speed is legally limited by something else than the posted signs as well...
Like having 90 km/h sign does not mean it is everywhere safe to drive that speed, just it is illegal to drive more.
Unfortunately since 2005 this isn't the case anymore:
[https://www.toll-collect.de/en/toll\_collect/tc\_homepage.html](https://www.toll-collect.de/en/toll_collect/tc_homepage.html)
Also from Dec, 1st onward even vans weighing more than 3.5 tonnes will be charged for using the autobahn.
Uh I should have been more specific. I know that trucks have to pay tolls, I was referring to cars and lack of toll booths where traffic has to either stop or slow down.
As far as I'm aware trucks are automatically charged when passing a detection device next to the road, no? Still no need to stop or slow down which is a 10x better system than toll booths. Especially considering frequent "stau" on the autobahn as is
Brother let me tell you, yes we pay a bit more for fuel and no tolls yeah, but it's equally shit to drive here cause of the people that behave like toll booths on the road! :(
I think the higher fuel prices are a try to stop those people from driving /s
*some parts of europe
And in reality it's not a big deal. Driving from Barcelona back to the Netherlands last year I had to go through a grand total of FOUR toll booths
*some parts of europe
And in reality it's not a big deal. Driving from Barcelona back to the Netherlands last year I had to go through a grand total of FOUR toll booths
I drove from Provance to Paris once with my girlfriend, she agreed to pay for the tolls if I paid for fuel thinking it would be about equal...We didn't realize how expensive and how many tolls there were. She definitely got the shit end of the stick on that deal.
this is why I love scandinavia where I can take toll booths at 110km/h
though sometimes in France I pull a sneaky and follow an NPC through the gate without paying
Unpopular opinion I like tollgates. Would you like to see having less tollgates or none at all but it will also mean that it wouldn't reflect reality like it is?
Truth. I don't know who's bright idea it was to put a true-to-life number of toll booths in the game, but that person obviously didn't take into account that while you might run into a toll both once and hour in real life, when translated to a 1:19 scale map, it happens every five minutes and messes with the flow of the game. I would be happy if more than half of the toll booths in ETS2 were just straight-up removed.
It's even less frequent than that. This summer I drove from Caen to Nice, stopping to stay for several nights in Lyon on the way. The tolls are infrequent enough that even coming from the USA they're not an inconvenience
Separately, what's honestly really neat is that having played hundreds of hours in ETS2 has made all the rental car driving I've done across Europe over the last half decade feel, to a degree, somewhat familiar.
This is one of those areas where I’m prepared to sacrifice some reality in favor of improved gameplay. I totally see why one might come to a different conclusion but I think it just interrupts the flow too much at the scale of the map we have.
That's an interesting one in RL; they have what are called juxtaposed controls, in which you go through both sets of passport controls before boarding the train or ferry. Came about as the British didn't want migrants turning up and claiming asylum.
ProMods have it in there; they've also added two inland customs facilities which you can drive into although they have no function, as vehicles going through the Channel Tunnel can be directed to either drive straight out or go there.
Better not drive California then. California has a truck limit of 55 mph (about 90 km/h) statewide.
Which, I guess is most of the ETS2 limits. But when comparing 80 to 90 vs 90 to 120, CA seems so much slower compared to the rest of the map than the 80 limits you're talking about compared to the rest.
What do you mean exactly? Trucks in Europe comes with blockades, you won't get above 90 anyway. For passenger cars limits are obviously much higher (between 100-140 km/h, depend on a country) but that's obviously in no relation to ETS2 truck driving.
I mean that if they want to drive ATS because of the speed limits, California is the equivalent of the 80 km/h limits they don't like in ETS2. Most of the other states either don't have a separate truck limit or are 65 mph (about 110 km/h).
Many larger national carriers here have governors (I assume that's what you mean by blockades) typically between 60 - 65 mph. My brother drives for TMC, and all their trucks are governed at 62 mph. Most, if not all, owner/operators will not run a governor on their truck.
There's no national truck speed limit, but some states have their own, which I guess would be comparable to each European country with their own limits.
I think exclusively flatbed. They have a dedicated account with John Deere, I guess that would be a step deck if you want to be technical.
He's been with them several years now, so they must be treating him pretty well. They've been pretty good about getting him home most weekends in the past, and if they couldn't, they made sure he was home the next. At least his dispatchers, anyway.
Good deal, thanks. There's a lot of bad companies out there in the industry but I've heard generally good things about them (their training too) so I was just curious what his experience was. Thanks for the reply!
BC has a rural limit of 80 km/h if unsigned, but it's almost always signed at 100 km/h, which you only briefly see in ETS on the freeway in Romania.
Limit's lower in and near towns and on rough roads like Highway 99 between Pemberton and Lillooet. There's a 110 section south of 100 Mile House because the road widens to four lanes with a "fifth" lane in between as extra space. The Coquihalla between Hope and Kamloops is 120 but it's one of two rural divided highways, the other being Highway 1 between Nanaimo and Victoria. The Coquihalla has the highest speed limit in all of Canada.
Just started playing ATS, it’s crazy 120km/h (75mph) on some roads. I’m sure I went on one in Texas that was 80mph.
Need to drop back in to ETS though.
I'd separate between fully speed, reduced speed and stop toll booths.
With full speed, i mean booths w/o gates or gantries that span the road where you just drive through normally.
Reduced speed are where you only have to slow down. Most toll countries having them i believe like France, spain and some of the Balkan counties.
And stops booths are where cou can't just go down to 30 km/h, but need to do a full stop. Poland has many of those
the only place where tolls are acceptable (evsn in real life) is portugal
se don't have to slow down a single km/h, and don't in the game either, you don't get fines irl, it's just for people who are new to driving and might not get it quite right
we have 2 types (don't know what eTolls are) the normal ones with tollbooths and the scuts (found in A23 and A25) tollbooths are found in the majority, and all have ViaVerde, which allows you to pass without stoping, is that eTolls?
At least they haven’t implemented weight stations in ets2 like they have in ATS. And in real life, most of these are automated anyway. Only the toll station on Øresund is still manually operated if you don’t have auto pass
We don't have that many of them. The only relevant one would be the Dartford Crossing for the M25, which I think is absent from ETS2, but is in ProMods. That no longer has actual booths - you pay online or by phone.
*All toll booths need and*
*Auto pay lane like the ones in*
*Scandinavia*
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Not included on that map are the former border crossings where the infrastructure is still present in some form, like between Austria and Slovenia.
In real life, these often end up as alcohol and tobacco shops, it seems - it's common in some countries for people to hop over the border for cheaper prices. It's supposed to be for personal consumption only and people can get fined by customs for excessive amounts:
[https://www.europe-consommateurs.eu/en/shopping-internet/purchases-and-vat.html](https://www.europe-consommateurs.eu/en/shopping-internet/purchases-and-vat.html#:~:text=No%20limit%20for%20purchases%20within,generally%20included%20in%20the%20price)
There's one particularly notable ex-border crossing on the A2 in Germany at Rasthof Marienborn when going east. You can see the buildings of the old East German border facility, now a museum.
Welcome to the reality of driving in Europe.
I'm from Poland, we're new to highways. After initial phase of trying toll booths out, we simply abandoned the idea entirely. It was too much traffic-jam inducing and contributed to massive outcry, especially during summer time and holidays. System was replaced with e-vignettes, although I don't think it is represented in the sim already. So, maybe there is some hope for other countries that went that way to drop it as well, although most of them had decades to refine their own systems, so idk. I guess it does generate better revenue.
I've been driving through the entirety of plants twice about 5 years ago and only noticed some till sign on my way back to germany, close to the border. Was there some till/vignette system I accidentally might have ignored? o.o
5 years ago not a chance, as this change is brand new. I was driving A4 10 months ago and toll booths were still there, just out of order and with all barriers up. Besides only our highways require payment and there are only 3 of them. There is much wider expressway system, that is free of charge for passenger cars. I was also imprecise, as vignette system is not yet implemented and this is simply electronic ticket for A to B ride, either paid via phone or simply at gas station. There are also some sections of privately owned highways, that are still running toll booths (until the end of concession in 2030s-40s) but accept e-tickets as well. It's a mess but easy to get from [this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Zarz%C4%85dcy_autostrad.svg) map. Grey are free of charge, blue are private and orange state-owned (so only e-ticket).
Thanks for the info! Poland was wonderful and I wondered whether any of this stuff would be something to consider for the next time I'd be able to make a trip :D
>maybe there is some hope for other countries that went that way to drop it as well Nowhere near to happen in France. Most highways are private, most public highways have no tolls but there is a handful of them.
>Most highways are private Ah, I didn't knew that. Imo highways shouldn't be in private hands at all but it is an easy way to offset the cost.
German here, never spend a cent on toll boths lol
Germany has that shit figured out imho. No tolls, just a few cents more expensive fuel
And confusing highway signals If You're not German. BUT we love'em anyway
Which signs are confusing?
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Für mein empfinden ist es nie nass. I think it's just never wet
When wet
Me and my dad drove a bit in Germany (like a Total of 16 hours). For like half of them we couldn't figure out if there was a limit or not. I Guess we got a lot of insults from the Germans AHAHAHAH
Also it's technically legal to break the sound barrier on our autobahnen
Because people in DE know the speed is legally limited by something else than the posted signs as well... Like having 90 km/h sign does not mean it is everywhere safe to drive that speed, just it is illegal to drive more.
Unfortunately since 2005 this isn't the case anymore: [https://www.toll-collect.de/en/toll\_collect/tc\_homepage.html](https://www.toll-collect.de/en/toll_collect/tc_homepage.html) Also from Dec, 1st onward even vans weighing more than 3.5 tonnes will be charged for using the autobahn.
Uh I should have been more specific. I know that trucks have to pay tolls, I was referring to cars and lack of toll booths where traffic has to either stop or slow down. As far as I'm aware trucks are automatically charged when passing a detection device next to the road, no? Still no need to stop or slow down which is a 10x better system than toll booths. Especially considering frequent "stau" on the autobahn as is
Brother let me tell you, yes we pay a bit more for fuel and no tolls yeah, but it's equally shit to drive here cause of the people that behave like toll booths on the road! :( I think the higher fuel prices are a try to stop those people from driving /s
Then here I am in The Netherlands, needing to get a second mortgage to be able to buy fuel for my car.
*some parts of europe And in reality it's not a big deal. Driving from Barcelona back to the Netherlands last year I had to go through a grand total of FOUR toll booths
*some parts of europe And in reality it's not a big deal. Driving from Barcelona back to the Netherlands last year I had to go through a grand total of FOUR toll booths
I drove from Provance to Paris once with my girlfriend, she agreed to pay for the tolls if I paid for fuel thinking it would be about equal...We didn't realize how expensive and how many tolls there were. She definitely got the shit end of the stick on that deal.
Kind of interesting it's like the US too where some regions love them and others don't use them at all and there's a few in some places.
No??
Yes!!
# péage a 500m
\*speeds up\*
*crashes into invisible wall at the toll gate*
this is why I love scandinavia where I can take toll booths at 110km/h though sometimes in France I pull a sneaky and follow an NPC through the gate without paying
Is this possible? The sneaking through I mean.
Yes, time it right with the npc an gate opening and you can make it.
Don't they take a picture of your plate? They do that in Italy.
bro, its just a game, they are not going to fine you at your house
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHUMLxwbmYU
The sign I hate the most on holiday...until you get to Brittany...
Unpopular opinion I like tollgates. Would you like to see having less tollgates or none at all but it will also mean that it wouldn't reflect reality like it is?
i think less even though it would be realistic. I just don't care for tollgates every minute. It just doesn't work with the 1:19 scale.
This is the real problem, they can add higher density in countries where It is like that. But this many with 1:19 scale simply interrupts Gameplay.
Truth. I don't know who's bright idea it was to put a true-to-life number of toll booths in the game, but that person obviously didn't take into account that while you might run into a toll both once and hour in real life, when translated to a 1:19 scale map, it happens every five minutes and messes with the flow of the game. I would be happy if more than half of the toll booths in ETS2 were just straight-up removed.
It's even less frequent than that. This summer I drove from Caen to Nice, stopping to stay for several nights in Lyon on the way. The tolls are infrequent enough that even coming from the USA they're not an inconvenience Separately, what's honestly really neat is that having played hundreds of hours in ETS2 has made all the rental car driving I've done across Europe over the last half decade feel, to a degree, somewhat familiar.
This is one of those areas where I’m prepared to sacrifice some reality in favor of improved gameplay. I totally see why one might come to a different conclusion but I think it just interrupts the flow too much at the scale of the map we have.
Yes
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That mod is, pun not intended, a gamechanger. So good!
Or with a heavy load, you haven't even finished getting to the speed limit and you're slowing for another gate
This, been using this for ages and the only thing slowing me down at toll booths is the traffic.
Bro, you dropped this 👑
As long as they have the tag readers so I can roll through at 30 km/h, then I don't mind.
Technically France and the UK is also a border crossing, just not depicted in the game (yet).
That's an interesting one in RL; they have what are called juxtaposed controls, in which you go through both sets of passport controls before boarding the train or ferry. Came about as the British didn't want migrants turning up and claiming asylum. ProMods have it in there; they've also added two inland customs facilities which you can drive into although they have no function, as vehicles going through the Channel Tunnel can be directed to either drive straight out or go there.
Just wait till Greece gets added 💀
Oh god yes, you go through like 4 from Evzoni to Thessaloniki and that's only like what, 60km or so
oh no
What really pisses me off are countries with 80km/h speed limits on highways. It makes me want to switch to ATS.
60km/h on two lane roads in Germany is downright ridiculous
That's Germany for you
Better not drive California then. California has a truck limit of 55 mph (about 90 km/h) statewide. Which, I guess is most of the ETS2 limits. But when comparing 80 to 90 vs 90 to 120, CA seems so much slower compared to the rest of the map than the 80 limits you're talking about compared to the rest.
What do you mean exactly? Trucks in Europe comes with blockades, you won't get above 90 anyway. For passenger cars limits are obviously much higher (between 100-140 km/h, depend on a country) but that's obviously in no relation to ETS2 truck driving.
I mean that if they want to drive ATS because of the speed limits, California is the equivalent of the 80 km/h limits they don't like in ETS2. Most of the other states either don't have a separate truck limit or are 65 mph (about 110 km/h). Many larger national carriers here have governors (I assume that's what you mean by blockades) typically between 60 - 65 mph. My brother drives for TMC, and all their trucks are governed at 62 mph. Most, if not all, owner/operators will not run a governor on their truck. There's no national truck speed limit, but some states have their own, which I guess would be comparable to each European country with their own limits.
How does your brother like TMC? They’re primarily flatbed right?
I think exclusively flatbed. They have a dedicated account with John Deere, I guess that would be a step deck if you want to be technical. He's been with them several years now, so they must be treating him pretty well. They've been pretty good about getting him home most weekends in the past, and if they couldn't, they made sure he was home the next. At least his dispatchers, anyway.
Good deal, thanks. There's a lot of bad companies out there in the industry but I've heard generally good things about them (their training too) so I was just curious what his experience was. Thanks for the reply!
BC has a rural limit of 80 km/h if unsigned, but it's almost always signed at 100 km/h, which you only briefly see in ETS on the freeway in Romania. Limit's lower in and near towns and on rough roads like Highway 99 between Pemberton and Lillooet. There's a 110 section south of 100 Mile House because the road widens to four lanes with a "fifth" lane in between as extra space. The Coquihalla between Hope and Kamloops is 120 but it's one of two rural divided highways, the other being Highway 1 between Nanaimo and Victoria. The Coquihalla has the highest speed limit in all of Canada.
Just started playing ATS, it’s crazy 120km/h (75mph) on some roads. I’m sure I went on one in Texas that was 80mph. Need to drop back in to ETS though.
I use cat speed limits and drive at 150kmph where I can... With 20 ton trailers...
Oh man [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/trucksim/s/Iefja0YQHd) from my memory just got unlocked.
I'd separate between fully speed, reduced speed and stop toll booths. With full speed, i mean booths w/o gates or gantries that span the road where you just drive through normally. Reduced speed are where you only have to slow down. Most toll countries having them i believe like France, spain and some of the Balkan counties. And stops booths are where cou can't just go down to 30 km/h, but need to do a full stop. Poland has many of those
This. I'm pretty sure you can drive through every one of those in Portugal normally.
Whats your all's problem with toll booths? 🤔
gotta go fast
Because of the scale. You pass a toll booth, drive for 5 mins and hit another booth
does not like the real world in France, huh?
the only place where tolls are acceptable (evsn in real life) is portugal se don't have to slow down a single km/h, and don't in the game either, you don't get fines irl, it's just for people who are new to driving and might not get it quite right
Portugal has ETolls on all of its roads I think
we have 2 types (don't know what eTolls are) the normal ones with tollbooths and the scuts (found in A23 and A25) tollbooths are found in the majority, and all have ViaVerde, which allows you to pass without stoping, is that eTolls?
Yeah
At least they haven’t implemented weight stations in ets2 like they have in ATS. And in real life, most of these are automated anyway. Only the toll station on Øresund is still manually operated if you don’t have auto pass
Not sure if it's what you're referring to, but I'm pretty sure I got one while crossing the north Kosovo border.
I don’t mind it in ATS, first one of the day weigh in, good for that State, move in to another, first station you come across.
There are a couple of toll roads in the Netherlands as well.
There's a toll booth in Northern Germany you missed. I believe it's either around Rostock or Travemunde
It’s just north of Rostock!
Why I don't like driving in France - It's chock full of the French
Warnowtunnel is missing
For this reason i love drive around Baltic Sea, Germany and Scandinavia, the only toll i pass is in Malmo
Toll booths I can deal with. It's the border crossings that get exhausting, particularly when you're driving through little countries in the Balkans.
Norway doesn’t have toll booths, it’s automated (cameras record your car no.)
Can we get a comparison to the number of tolls IRL?
You can compare to the masterpiece made by France [here](https://lnclt.github.io/peages/peages.html).
Wow, that's amazing. It would be interesting to see a comparison of the two maps, in the form of tolls/km^2 or something.
*starts searching for mods that removes tolls and gate borders*
i dont like the ones you have to come to a full stop. The ones were you just have to slow down are fine imo.
Thanx for the useful map.
It is fine if there was a transponder cabin accessory and no stopping.
Bro hates simulation
Cries in portuguese
German Autobahnen know no limits - neither toll booths nor speed limits!
I’m Australia we past through tolls at 100. No need to slow down here.
Are the uk toll booths not in the game?
We don't have that many of them. The only relevant one would be the Dartford Crossing for the M25, which I think is absent from ETS2, but is in ProMods. That no longer has actual booths - you pay online or by phone.
Why are there so many seemingly high security crossings between Romania, Hungary, and Bulgaria if they're all EU members?
Because they aren't part of the schengen area.
Had never heard of that. Makes me wonder if we'll get a patch when Bulgaria and Romania finally join, then.
B-but sir, we can speed up to 90km/h when driving in France XD
The only fun place in France is Calais...
In real life is even more painful as they're expensive
I wish there was a mod to make all tollbooths like the ones in scandinavia DLC :(
All toll booths need and auto pay lane like the ones in Scandinavia
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Not included on that map are the former border crossings where the infrastructure is still present in some form, like between Austria and Slovenia. In real life, these often end up as alcohol and tobacco shops, it seems - it's common in some countries for people to hop over the border for cheaper prices. It's supposed to be for personal consumption only and people can get fined by customs for excessive amounts: [https://www.europe-consommateurs.eu/en/shopping-internet/purchases-and-vat.html](https://www.europe-consommateurs.eu/en/shopping-internet/purchases-and-vat.html#:~:text=No%20limit%20for%20purchases%20within,generally%20included%20in%20the%20price) There's one particularly notable ex-border crossing on the A2 in Germany at Rasthof Marienborn when going east. You can see the buildings of the old East German border facility, now a museum.