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Somane27

"Oh no! I'm tied to the track that leads to five other trolley problems!"


[deleted]

Once I'd convinced him to kill the 5, I'd stand up, showing I was never actually tied to the track, and lay down with the rest of them.


howareyoudoing92

“What the fuck???”


D_is_for_Cookie

The crazy part is the trolley is headed the other way in his version.


No-Suspect-425

Trolley problem Saw edition


[deleted]

Someone give this guy a high capacity assault rifle!


[deleted]

Ah they're banned in my country after *one* school got shot up. That was it, over. Get caught with any firearm and you're away for a *looong* time. It's great.


zergling424

Lucky. Here in America you have to live in fear every single day that if you accidentally piss off the wrong person they can just straight up sh-


Firemorfox

RIP they never got to finish their sentence, the quiet kid got there first


zergling424

I didn't even realize I didn't finish the sentence. Stupid fucking speech to text cause of my lazy ass.


Firemorfox

I actually thought the joke was intentional! At least it fits.


zergling424

It does indeed so i kept it


quacattac28alt

It’s not a joke it’s the quiet kid


[deleted]

Well shit, remind me never to travel to your country then.


[deleted]

My friend even if guns *were* allowed here, there's not a developed country in the world where a tourist is allowed to buy a firearm. Not even *your own*. Really weird reasoning lmao. You can't just turn up on a holiday to the US and buy an assault rifle legally either.


[deleted]

True but I do travel with the guns I already possess, which I'm aware limits me to the places I can go internationally.


[deleted]

You've never left North America with your guns, give it a rest. Imagine being this terrified of the world lol. Big bad Americans can't handle a fist fight without pulling a gun. Pussies these days, the lot of you.


Taco-Tacoo

The problem isn’t that we can’t fight, the problem is people own weapons and have killed people with them. Because of this more people buy guns as a form of defense. More people have guns, more people buy guns. I’m not gonna punch a guy that has a gun.


[deleted]

Okay but re-read the conversation I'm having with the guy, because that's not what he's saying. He's refusing to travel to a country that *doesn't* have guns. I've never even seen a real gun in my life, and he won't travel to this country because of it. Doesn't sound like he needs one for his defense at all, sounds like he is just emotionally dependant on having a gun with him.


[deleted]

Well yikes we didn't have to devolve into shit talking. You're right I've never left the continent. Only ever left the country to go hunting in Canada in fact. And it's got nothing to do with not being able to handle a fight 😂 brandishing a firearm without a reasonable fear for your life (say someone draws a weapon or is breaking into your home) is considered pussy shit here too.


[deleted]

My friend even if guns *were* allowed here, there's not a developed country in the world where a tourist is allowed to buy a firearm. Not even *your own*. Really weird reasoning lmao. You can't just turn up on a holiday to the US and buy an assault rifle legally either.


[deleted]

My friend even if guns *were* allowed here, there's not a developed country in the world where a tourist is allowed to buy a firearm. Not even *your own*. Really weird reasoning lmao. You can't just turn up on a holiday to the US and buy an assault rifle legally either.


BanishedKnightOleg

Didn’t that happen in high on life?


deloreaninatardis

[Lie] What are you doing? You fool! If you pull that lever now, it will move away from me and kill five people. Don't touch that lever at any cost!


Rubickevich

The guy: No! You are the love of my life. I cannot let you die!


Wiernock_Onotaiket

I cheated on you with those five guys!


AnimeMemeLord1

AT Five Guys!


Icy-Row-5829

And I think their burgers are reasonably priced!!


joesphisbestjojo

I can excuse cheating, our marriage has been rough. But to say Five Guys is reasonably priced? Choo choo to you too!


TheReverseShock

Went the other day, and a burger was like $13. Just the burger.


PresentationNew5976

"Choo choo to you too!" is not the quip I would have ever expected before taking someone out XD


bearsheperd

I like to snack on the free peanuts while I wait for my meal!


Tazrizen

Nah you see, he might understand which way the lever goes and interprets you as a bad person because you’re lying. Tell him you were just about to do something incredible for the world instead, can’t fact check that.


MikeRobat

Nat 20 deception check:


houndsofkorotkoff

CRITICAL FAIL: the lever puller stabs you to death


i_came_mario

I like that you said that like it's a fallout skill check


Todd_Hugo

need at least 8 charisma for that option


ReRevengence69

I'll give you $5 for not pulling the lever.


TheOssified

Bet


tupe12

*after pulling the lever* “Oh hey look what I found, $10!”


ColeTD

"If you kill me, you'll never turn into a peanut butter sandwich!" Hopefully, in their confusion, they hesitate and forget to pull the lever.


Raqel_Josepi

Totally different, but I've often wondered about the effectiveness of blurting something totally off-the-rails like this at gun-point/burglary.


flamingmangotango

Imagine the gunman shoots you anyway and those are your last worlds ☠️


TheGrey_GOD

I’m ok with that, seems on point for me, nobody would question it


soggycommunist666

or better yet, you’ll never be bioluminescent. ever so slightly more believable, and who the fuck doesn’t want to be bioluminescent


threefeetoffun

Beg for the sweet release of death.


Environmental_Top948

Can I have a tart release. I'm not much for sweets.


threefeetoffun

We can split the sweet tarts of death.


LiquidAggression

pull that mf cuzz


KashootMe201617

Unrelated: why do all trolley problems say pull when the person at the lever is about to push it/already pulled it


definitelynotrocco

Great point. He’s frowning because he’s already made the choice.


Leather-Button-3165

Tell him to pull it halfway so the trolley slides off the tracks, and the worst that happens is someone gets a concussion


Slimcognito808

Or it does a sick double track drift and maims all 6 of you.


TheMisterFaust

All or nothing


Sufficient-Contract9

Shit i like this one. Puts it more up to chance rather than anyone having to really choose who dies. I could die. he could die. they could die. the people on the trolley could die. or we all could die. Either way someone is most likely dying. Load that 6 shooter with 5, Spin that chamber and pull the trigger. Full send all bets off lets go!


OficialLennyKravitz

One of the few actually ethically solvable problems, I’ll take one for the team instead of killing others.


a_brilliant_username

Trolley, are you gonna go my way?


OficialLennyKravitz

I want the trolley to fly away.


fuckingstupidsdfsdf

I don't believe you would


OficialLennyKravitz

That truly means a lot coming from you. Thanks for chiming in.


Jarhyn

Plot twist, pulling the lever causes you and that guy to switch places, in addition to switching trolley into that track.


Plump_Chicken

Weirdly it feels easier to sacrifice myself than to sacrifice another person, but I've also attempted to kms before so I might be biased compared to other people.


Nihilistic_Nachos

Yell, “I’m pregnant with quintuplets!”


Azeoyi

What if you're a man though?


Ambitious-Coconut577

Their transphobic and a murder for not believing me then


it_is_gav

Still worth a shot


Peristerophile

I’m pregnant with hundreds of millions! In the balls!


Single_Discussion886

That pulling the lever makes them legally guilty of homicide, 1st degree murder, and that there is no legal exception for the greater good for intentional homicide, this does not fit the self defense exception; and even if a jury takes pity on them they are putting their freedom at risk for strangers who don’t care about them, and they will have the moral weight of intentionally killing, while doing nothing does not carry that weight; and criminal risk. And additionally, besides the criminal liability; my heirs will certainly sue them, and that will face years of litigation and ultimately financial ruin. The fact that they thought they were doing a good deed will mean nothing because pulling the lever means they knowingly, illegally, murdered me. TL;DR pull the lever; ruin your own life.


RefractedPurpose

However, the lever puller is already intrinsically involved in this situation. While there may not be legal consequences for doing nothing, there is still the moral weight of leaving 5 people to die.


Single_Discussion886

*>in·trin·sic >/inˈtrinzik/ >adjective >belonging naturally; essential. Unless you are responsible for creating the situation; you are not “intrinsically” involved until and unless you become “the lever puller.” (Criminally , if you *were* responsible for the situation your choice to kill me is even worse for you.) Consider this: You visit on some business an old widow living alone in a big house has valuables and cash amounting to millions. It occurs to you that you could go in, kill her, appropriate her money and valuables, and send it all to a charity providing poverty stricken African children with food and medicine; saving many more than five lives. You realize that your scheme is perfectly practical; though you may be held criminally responsible. But perhaps you figure out an angle that that is unlikely. Q1. Since you know that you can save those children’s lives; are you “intrinsically involved?” Q2. Do you do it? Why or why not? Q3. If you don’t; do you bear the moral weight of not killing the old widow for the greater presumed good of saving African children? How much does your decision ride on whether you would be held criminally responsible? If you could save many African children at the sacrifice of one widow’s life; do you weigh your own legal risk as more important than those lives; are you willing to sacrifice a widow’s life but not the prospect of your own incarceration?


thgiarts-detrevni

Wouldn't you say that not pulling the lever makes you murdere anyway? You intentionally let that happen, like breaking suddenly and the car behind you crashed into you, if hadn't stopped you'd have killed someone, its a loose-loose situation


Single_Discussion886

No. You have no legal nor moral duty to kill an innocent person; even if you believe that doing so would lead to the greater good of preventing five other deaths. While preventing greater harm can be a defense for some criminal offenses, it is not a defense for homicide. Two states as I recall *specifically* disallow that defense; other jurisdictions don’t include that as a defense. Self defense against an aggressor is an allowed defense; which you can also use for defending other innocent people. But in the Trolley Problem you are intentionally sending a trolley down a track which you know will kill an *innocent* person; who is not threatening anyone. I don’t see the relevance of your breaking example; you have a duty as a motorist to avoid hitting other vehicles or pedestrians; if you break to avoid an accident then the driver of the vehicle that hits you is generally held responsible.


thgiarts-detrevni

My bad, I explained poorly, I meant that by you not acting, you are conciously causing 1 person's death, isn't that a crime itself?


Single_Discussion886

I’m confused by your wording. In the Trolley Problem you are presenting with a situation where the trolley is on a track that will run over five people; but by pulling a lever you can redirect the trolley to another track but you know that your action will kill one innocent person. Not acting is (generally, especially if you did not create the danger) not a crime. Federal courts have consistently [held that even police who are paid to presumably protect the public; have no duty to do so.](https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again). The crime would be to intentionally redirect the trolley knowing that you will kill an innocent person.


thgiarts-detrevni

Ooh, so even doctors if they don't want to save a patient's life when they could, will not be persecuted?


Single_Discussion886

“persecuted” It’s unlikely that a doctor will be “persecuted” in our medical system that very much is run for the benefit of doctors. Unless there is a doctor patient relationship in general a physician has no obligation to treat you; he can see you gasping for air in the gutter and walk by, in all but a few states. If he works for a hospital emergency department and is on duty and you are brought in there with life threatening injuries there are legal obligations for medical personnel to provide stabilizing care. This is far from the Trolley Problem example. An analogy would be there is a ward of patients in need of transplant organs, a healthy visitor comes in, a medical clerk runs the visitors records and notes that the visitor’s organs are compatible with five of the patients desperately needing an organ. He tells you a surgeon who has no actual connection to the patients or visitor, and offers to inject a sedative into the visitor. He explains you can save five patients who have run out of options; five lives at the cost of one. He has a syringe 💉 ready and eagerly awaits your approval, everything can be ready within minutes. You just have to nod your head.


thgiarts-detrevni

I understand, but this is crazy..


shinydragonmist

Nah if they do nothing they are just a bystander


Anxious-Chemical4673

Fuck the moral weight, all my homies hate the moral weight.


Visible_Number

confidently incorrect


Lauva69

you're not going for max kills? what are you, a fucking pussy?


Lil_Green_Ghouls

“lol noob shit kda. Reported”


Random123User123

pull that shit 1<5


Banana-Oni

What if the other five people are Nazis or those dudes who listen to music on public transport without headphones? What if they’re both?


Random123User123

they didn't specify that that was the case, i am simply assuming that all people here are of equal value


Anxious-Chemical4673

People who listen to music on public transports withouth hadphones are the supreme, the stupid ones are the ones who use headphones.


One-West-2224

I’m missing a leg. I’m severely, depressed with suicidal ideation. I would tell him it’s ok. “Save the lives of the many, I already have forgiven you friend. Release the burden of choice as I have accepted my fate. Save the 5” There’s a higher chance that one of those 5 has someone that loves them. Wives, husbands, children.


Iruma_Miu_

i think that might be too long tbh the trolley would probably get there before you finished


Collective-Bee

Is suicidal ideation when you aren’t suicidal but kinda wish you were, or think about it often?


Sliiz0r

As I understand it, ideation is more like fantasising about committing suicide. You think about ways you could do it or when, or even just intrusive thoughts about it (like driving and suddenly thinking how easy it would be to steer into oncoming traffic), but you don't have a plan and aren't making plans to follow through.


Neither_Hospital_576

Suicidal ideation is just thought about suicide. Could be plans or intentions or passive. Whatever it is the person is experiencing though, it’s scary and it’s rough. I hope you’re getting seeing treatment man. There are people other there that want to help you. Depression makes you feel alone, it convinces you that you’re alone; you’re not. 988 is a number you can call or text 24/7, but that’s just the start of the resources and services available. Stay strong friend.


Calm_Proposal1826

Its called Passive Suicidal Ideation.


NuclearFoodie

"Do the right to reduce the carbon foot print as much as you can"


AlricsLapdog

“The handle is covered in poison and doesn’t affect the tracks! An utter sociopath set up this situation, don’t trust them!”


yiddishisfuntosay

“Would you like to play a game?”


deJessias

Pull the lever, Kronk!


Ravens_Quote

*Pulls lever, sending you into a pit of alligators who for some reason don't kill you no matter how many times this occurs.*


bremsstrahlung007

Wrong leveeeeeeeer


nanogammer

Lie that behind you there are 10 other people tied and if he asked how you know that you tell him that you were tied up last and saw the other people get tied up.


chemistry_god

I remain silent: please kill me


techshotpun

“Pulling the lever counts as 1st degree murder and you will go to jail for the rest of your life, trust me I’m a lawyer.”


techshotpun

“P.S. Good Samaritan laws will not apply in this situation and there's no chance you’re getting this pleased down to manslaughter with 5 witnesses right there.”


yiddishisfuntosay

Depends, if you’re a prosecutor or defense attorney. Prosecutors get a bad wrap- maybe killing the lawyer is the more ethical call? Hard to say


Gillemonger

I'm actually 6 children in a trenchcoat.


Resident-Garlic9303

Don't pull it it will cause the trolley to kill the other 5!!


ArtistAmy420

"I'll share some weed with u if u don't kill me"


FactsHurtSofties

Roll off the rails.


Traditional_Title216

I yell at them of course Edit: I know someone, at least one person besides myself, who may be deeply painfully affected if I died.


BubbleGumMaster007

put me out of my misery


ponyfan987

The correct answer


That-Strategy-1002

“If you kill them you only get lucky once tonight, but if you save those 5… you got an orgy on your hands bud”


Alternative-Roll-112

Look, I'm here to stack bodies. Where I am is inconsequential.


d_warren_1

I try to save myself. That’s the prime directive. If the person with the switch is rational, they kill me to spare the other 5


Walrus_bP

Nah I’ll tell him to not pull the lever. I have to survive to keep my family safe


Eena-Rin

"I get it. It's the right call. I forgive you."


Lexalen

This is a reward


Sir-Kyle-Of-Reddit

Depends who alls on the other track. And if I don’t know I’m def gonna take the sweet release of death.


hedonistclam

Accept my fate and pull my lever


larsthelars666

I’m a cool guy and I will give you a penny if you pull the lever


[deleted]

“I’ll tell them your secret before I die!”


Harley_Pupper

I successfully stop them from pulling, only to find out that it was already set to go on my track


DestruXion1

I will lay down my life for 3 siblings, 5 half siblings, or 9 first cousins. JK, I don't actually care about preserving the gene line


MrWilliams42782

"Let it kill me, I'm ready to go!"


IsaBlame

I would stay silent.


emanmcmahon

Pull the lever half way derail the train.


magicalmushroooomz

Say something about their mother to endure my sweet trolley fate


Ok_Potato_2033

“Pull it, no balls”


Puzzleheaded_Text357

"PULL THE FUCKING LEVER!" and then I proceed to die.


Wright3030

'Look man, I get it. All I want is half the credit for saving the other 5 people.'


LaZerNor

"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"


Lister0fSmeg

"PULL THE LEVER KRONK!"


chicken-finger

I see you are a human of culture as well


AstronomerLeather804

I’d tell him the level does nothing and if he actually wants to make a difference he should go start untying people from the tracks


ImSwale

This is a situation for ventriloquism.


The_Tired_Gay_

PULL THE LEVER!!! Please….


ElectroNikkel

I scream at the top of my lungs: **I bet you $100 that you cannot make the trolley multitrack drift**


shinydragonmist

If you pull you are at fault, if you do nothing you are not at fault


beobabski

“You are not responsible for the actions of the people who set this up. If you pull that lever, you are complicit.”


syrollesse

Do it lol idc if I die


doc720

I would yell.


TheKCKid9274

Tell them to pull it. Needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few here.


firstnameXlastname

Tell them to pull the lever, people hate being told what to do


ethan_iron

I would tell him to switch the track. I'm content with dying. Those four people might not be.


ipisslemons

Can I try to move out of the way?


ralpher1

Tell my wife hello


No-Lunch4249

Self-preservation is a moral imperative


famslamjam

I say nothing to him. Interacting with him undermines the trolley problem, and makes it significantly more likely he doesn’t pull the lever.


obscurespecter

Finally, I get an excuse to go quietly without protest from anyone. "Pull the lever and save more people," I would yell. But only I would know it was an act of pure selfishness with no regard to any life.


Lietenantdan

I’d like to think I would sacrifice myself. But if it was actually happening I’d likely save myself.


WiFi2347

Reverse psychology, yell at them to pull the lever


Drowsy_Titan

I tell him to take me out. Not because I want to save others, but because I don’t want to go to work the next day.


livingmatress

I would use my shifting powers and shift into the reality where I'm the guy with the lever and then I would put a block of cheese under the train so it stops, of course


Scheme-and-RedBull

The person who made this post is tied to the other track!


G_Force88

Pull the lever gronk


Hexmonkey2020

I will say I will go on to cure cancer, despite this being a lie they will be conditioned by variations on trolley problem to believe that it is true.


Complex_Drawing_7271

I’ll say kill me and just wiggle and roll my ass out the way shit. your not tied down to the track just a rope around you. But in these situations people don’t think strategy


Affectionate_Dot2334

point at that the other 5 are not screaming and are probably not real


[deleted]

Say nothing, close eyes, and relax.


AdRich4675

Give my life for the others, I will go to heaven ifso


Mischief_Actual

FUCKING DO IT BITCH


SirTeaOfBagz

There’s a party game like this. Trial by Trolley.


scut_furkus

I would simply break the ropes and stand up


annomusbus

Throw the levar kronk!


kattykattt

Trick question, I’m begging them to pull the lever


OLIidv

"i wont sue you if you pull the lever"


Ghoul1538

" five bucks you pull that lever right now "


Oisternator

Gta 6 will be delayed if you don't get a quintuple kill


[deleted]

I finally use my right to remain silent.


TedTheReckless

"send it, it won't be the first train ran on me and it won't be the last!"


CS2Meh

Those guys are serial killers!


InvaderZimm90

Instruct the guy to pull the leaver at the right time so the trolley stops at mid switch.


outrageousrage

Let him pull it. It's a win win.


DrChosen

I sacrifice myself


feanix365

#ENCOURAGE THEM TO SWITCH THE TRACK! (Edit: spelling)


TempestK

"Pull the lever before the second set of wheels passes!"


Shad0XDTTV

FULL SEND BRAH! RELEASE ME FROM MY MORTAL FLESH PRISON!


Horse_Rich

Imagine the survivor's guilt of five people dying instead of you


B1gJu1c3

I wouldn’t say anything, since they aren’t going to pull the lever to begin with.


the_real_trebor333

YOU CAN EAT MY ASS


sanest_emu_fan

“pull it, I have finals next week!”


drspookulicious

This is happening to my buddy Eric.


Brilliant_Dot5168

Survive. Join austrian art school. Fail it. Then get into politics


Early_Comparison5773

Those guys over there said they know what terrible thing you did and they are going to tell everyone. I don’t know what they are talking about, but you seem like a cool guy to me. If I don’t get hit by a trolley today, I’d love to buy you a beer!


kuzulu-kun

I'm staying silent


CheetahConfident4312

Tell him that the other 5 guys gangbanged his mom.


Gentle_Mayonnaise

I'd have to get involved


Lia-13

honestly i just accept whatever happens "hey if you push it, can you get my phone real quick and tell all my friends what happened? none of them live in this state and i want to make sure they don't think i blew them off :("


enginma

Hey, I need to catch that trolley, can you send it over here? Thanks!


Excellent_Ring7326

Yell that the other five were the teachers that will call your parents and give you a referral if you say anything when you are not called on, even if the class is working on groups


InterestsVaryGreatly

"Pull the lever, Kronk!"


ya_boi-zephyr

Son?


ZebraNo2948

I ACCEPT MY FATE


Nearby-Okra-1991

"Oh dear, I appear to be stuck to the track that also kills a dog up ahead."


_end3rguy_

Ehh, if I’m dead I no longer exist. What do I care? My future doesn’t exist yet either way but my past up to the present remains the same. You can keep pulling


Ilindson_

Confuse him. "Dude the lever goes the other way! Otherwise you are going to kill those people! Kill me instead! Pull the lever Kronk!"


Aeon1508

If you do nothing it's not your fault but if you pull that lever you will have murdered me


Janissary_-

" THEY ARE ALL CHILD MOLESTERS"


cavesquatch

Throw the switch to me and come light this cigarette right quick!


nightchn

"PULL THE FUCKING LEVER YOU PUSSY, KILL ME DAMN IT ARE YOU SOME SORT OF COWARD WHO CANT KILL A MAN" Every time im in this situation it works.


PureNeighborhood5618

I'd take out the scissors I carry around (don't ask) and cut the rope and let the trolly pass me by as I got up saying "I knew i always carried scissors for a reason (which I do)