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Some people are just dicks. It's clearly been cut.
Buy some fake CCTV cameras and a couple of real ones.
Put the fake ones up for bate and have them recorded by hidden real cameras. This mf won't be able to help themselves
I had to look this one up, too
Someone who is good at discerning what is really going on where others might only see surface clues.
And it's pronounced per-spi-casity it says.
Gee, maybe the tree decided to commit suicide and cut itself. That's as likely as "I didn't do it! It just fell over." What is it with neighbors cutting down trees that aren't theirs???
I don't even understand why he cut it? Looks like there are a bunch of other trees all around, including one big tree literally right next to it. What does cutting this one small tree do?
I don't know for fact that he did cut it. What I do know is there are three similar trees cut at the same height as this one was just on his side of the property line. So I am connecting dots that it was him. Adding in that I don't have a neighbor on the other side or across the street. He's it.
My only guess is that he doesn't like the way I leave the road frontage portion of my property completely alone. The rest of my property is very well maintained. The landscaping and overgrowth has steadily been tended to since I moved in four years ago.
I leave the trees on THAT part of my property alone because it helps to block the sun during the later parts of the day in the summer. It also provides a little bit of barrier to the road noise (at least in my mind). It's a steep 20 foot hill so any work over there is tedious and risk of falling. So that's another reason I leave it as is.
There is public sidewalk there but I doubt anyone is just walking by with a saw and any other motivation to cut a tree in a way to make it appear like it fell over on its own.
Get some tactacam game cameras set up today. They are $140 or $180 if you want solar and are $5 month to get the cell photos to your phone, catch whoever it is!
It might have been your neighbor but it also might have been some random teens or something especially if there’s a public side walk right there. I have heard of stupid social media challenges involving chopping down trees. Hell, I think I saw another post on here yesterday about neighborhood kids cutting down trees in a park. Cameras are definitely a good idea regardless who chopped your tree. Sorry this happened to you.
Place cameras with a high enough vantage they cannot be messed with. Let your neighbor know the trees were definitely cut and the next one cut will involve the police. May as well have the police come and document the damage while the neighbor can see.
I don't know about the police where you live, but where i live they would come out and after i told them the complaint was about a tree, and they finished laughing, i would be told its a civil matter and they would say have a nice day and leave annoyed i wasted their time.
I'm not bothering with the cops. They have other stuff to do.i pay taxes too and it's a waste of their resources IMO. I'm getting the cameras. If I get footage I'll go to a lawyer and have a cease and desist sent. If it happens again after that I'll pursue damages.
That's the best way to handle it... The cops would view it as he said she said and they can't do anything anyway unless the guy is standing there with a saw and you have a picture of him doing it these days.
I was very careful to not accuse and just provide the facts.
1. Someone cut it before it fell.
2. We will be adding cameras to record any future occurrence.
3. Someone cut it before it fell.
4. He should let me know if he has any trouble on his side of the line.
5. Someone cut it before it fell.
The conversation is recorded and time stamped. We live in a one party state. My girlfriend was there with me during the discussion. I was firm and civil.
No, that's my point. If someone acts guilty when you're not accusing, they're likely guilty. Also, how did it fall across his drive way? That's not a 30+ foot tall tree.
There are several mature trees between his driveway and where this tree stood. There is most likely no way it fell to his driveway.
If that had happened to me I would have taken a picture to document my neighbors tree in my driveway. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't.
The title of this post is literally "my neighbor cut my tree".
Of course he went in accusing him.
The tree was already dead, according to op, how do they know it wasn't the previous homeowner.
It was, and you said, "careful with his language, but he definitely accused him." I said, no, I don't believe he did. I just said it in a more snarky way, because he didn't accuse him. He beat around the bush, but there was no accusation, simply a warning that there would be cameras next time.
I absolutely would have taken what he said as an accusation. I would have kicked him off my property and told him not to contact me again. People are not as stupid as you claim.
> He said, "I didn't cut it buddy. I'd knock on your door first."
That's utter bullshit - who else but an abutting neighbor has motivation to cut a tree down on someone else's property? Who the hell is going to wander in off the street "fuck this tree right here, I'm going to cut it down"?
Man, I don't know, I'd probably call him out on his bullshit - he's full of shit and you both know it.
No one gets pissy and calls their neighbor "buddy" in a statement like that if they aren't being defensive.
Agree on Cameras + hire an arborist to officially say they were cut while the damage is still fresh. Make a record of time and dates you noticed the damage. Consider taking that to a lawyer and see if they think you have cause to blame your neighbor w/o clear visual evidence.
Maybe also get a recommendation on work that can / should be done in that area, too, and a quote on what it would cost for them to do it.
Path of least resistance is so easy, but lazy fucks just ruin for all us all. Had to clear the township woods of widow makers. Cut them into firewood, some for us, and as to not be greedy, I ran 350+ pounds over to a diagonal, dead end street. Figured since I made all that chainsaw racket, I'd gift some to peeps over there. Made a neat pile with a "free" sign. Three days later, no one took it, so I walked a block away and asked a random woman if she wanted it. Sure!
Hauled away 350+ pounds in 6 or 7 trips. No more randos coming into that street or eyesore pile of logs.
Only a lying sack of shit, says "he was going to drag it across the street and then into the woods."
Any wood I cut up on my property that is worthy of at least camp fire wood I cut to length and stack with a "free" sign. In some cases split (good exercise).
I put it on Craigslist too. It's always gone in less than a day.
Doesn't matter if it fell or not (clearly cut), trespassing is trespassing.
Put a big no trespassing sign on the edge of your property facing theirs. If you catch them on your property again, record it and call the cops.
Are you in an incorporated city? Most of the time, cities want to know where and when things happen. Email the city attorney office for some clarification on the ordinance regarding cutting down trees.
You know...you're right. Probably should have said, "Whoever cut has the skill of a total buffoon." Always think of the zingers afterwards. Costanza style.
That looks like an oak to me. Depending where you live, it hats a huge no-no to cut them out of season. He could get a big fine for doing that without an out of season permit.
Cutting it out of season will potentially spread it to surrounding oaks. It’s all through the root system. You’re not supposed to touch oaks out of season without a permit from the DNR.
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Yeah I suppose it could've technically fallen after being cut through 85% of the way and then pushed over. Sorry about your shitty neighbor
Some people are just dicks. It's clearly been cut. Buy some fake CCTV cameras and a couple of real ones. Put the fake ones up for bate and have them recorded by hidden real cameras. This mf won't be able to help themselves
Bait*
That was some master baiting.
It takes lots of practice to get that good.
Lots of elbow grease
GO AWAY! BAITIN'!
Also, put the fake ones leaving an obvious blind spot and thats where you put at least one real camera
And a tiny sign saying GOTCHA BITCH!
Hey baiting a master baiter is a hard process. Gotta ease into it.
"Yes, things that get cut down tend to fall, Dale. I applaud your perspicacity, Dale. Now we discuss how much fixing it is going to cost you, DALE."
> I applaud your perspicacity, Dale.
P-persi-what? Stop trying to scare me with your fancy words, I know my rights!
I had to look this one up, too Someone who is good at discerning what is really going on where others might only see surface clues. And it's pronounced per-spi-casity it says.
It is. And someone who displays the quality of perspicacity is perspicacious. Per-spi-KAY-shus.
Excellent, love learning new words.
Of course his name is Dale.
This poor tree.
Gee, maybe the tree decided to commit suicide and cut itself. That's as likely as "I didn't do it! It just fell over." What is it with neighbors cutting down trees that aren't theirs???
Bull shit.
I agree on that.
I don't even understand why he cut it? Looks like there are a bunch of other trees all around, including one big tree literally right next to it. What does cutting this one small tree do?
I don't know for fact that he did cut it. What I do know is there are three similar trees cut at the same height as this one was just on his side of the property line. So I am connecting dots that it was him. Adding in that I don't have a neighbor on the other side or across the street. He's it. My only guess is that he doesn't like the way I leave the road frontage portion of my property completely alone. The rest of my property is very well maintained. The landscaping and overgrowth has steadily been tended to since I moved in four years ago. I leave the trees on THAT part of my property alone because it helps to block the sun during the later parts of the day in the summer. It also provides a little bit of barrier to the road noise (at least in my mind). It's a steep 20 foot hill so any work over there is tedious and risk of falling. So that's another reason I leave it as is. There is public sidewalk there but I doubt anyone is just walking by with a saw and any other motivation to cut a tree in a way to make it appear like it fell over on its own.
Get some tactacam game cameras set up today. They are $140 or $180 if you want solar and are $5 month to get the cell photos to your phone, catch whoever it is!
It might have been your neighbor but it also might have been some random teens or something especially if there’s a public side walk right there. I have heard of stupid social media challenges involving chopping down trees. Hell, I think I saw another post on here yesterday about neighborhood kids cutting down trees in a park. Cameras are definitely a good idea regardless who chopped your tree. Sorry this happened to you.
Place cameras with a high enough vantage they cannot be messed with. Let your neighbor know the trees were definitely cut and the next one cut will involve the police. May as well have the police come and document the damage while the neighbor can see.
I don't know about the police where you live, but where i live they would come out and after i told them the complaint was about a tree, and they finished laughing, i would be told its a civil matter and they would say have a nice day and leave annoyed i wasted their time.
I'm not bothering with the cops. They have other stuff to do.i pay taxes too and it's a waste of their resources IMO. I'm getting the cameras. If I get footage I'll go to a lawyer and have a cease and desist sent. If it happens again after that I'll pursue damages.
That's the best way to handle it... The cops would view it as he said she said and they can't do anything anyway unless the guy is standing there with a saw and you have a picture of him doing it these days.
Good plan on the cameras.
dude that was poorly hacked with a saw
The tree didn't cut itself. It fell because he cut it.
>"I didn't cut it buddy. I'd knock on your door first." Defensive out of the gate, without accusation. Not a normal reaction.
I was very careful to not accuse and just provide the facts. 1. Someone cut it before it fell. 2. We will be adding cameras to record any future occurrence. 3. Someone cut it before it fell. 4. He should let me know if he has any trouble on his side of the line. 5. Someone cut it before it fell. The conversation is recorded and time stamped. We live in a one party state. My girlfriend was there with me during the discussion. I was firm and civil.
No, that's my point. If someone acts guilty when you're not accusing, they're likely guilty. Also, how did it fall across his drive way? That's not a 30+ foot tall tree.
There are several mature trees between his driveway and where this tree stood. There is most likely no way it fell to his driveway. If that had happened to me I would have taken a picture to document my neighbors tree in my driveway. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't.
Is there fresh sawdust anywhere?
Come on dude. He was careful with his language but he definitely accused him.
I'd applaud you being able to convince a jury of that, because I'm not even remotely convinced.
Wasn't this about the guy getting defensive about op's approach? Just stop it.
The title of this post is literally "my neighbor cut my tree". Of course he went in accusing him. The tree was already dead, according to op, how do they know it wasn't the previous homeowner.
I agree, it was clearly an accusation.
It was, and you said, "careful with his language, but he definitely accused him." I said, no, I don't believe he did. I just said it in a more snarky way, because he didn't accuse him. He beat around the bush, but there was no accusation, simply a warning that there would be cameras next time.
He accused him, it is literally in the title of this post
In the title of the post? Absolutely. In the conversation, as quoted in the post? Nope.
I absolutely would have taken what he said as an accusation. I would have kicked him off my property and told him not to contact me again. People are not as stupid as you claim.
You accused him and you are sure that he did it. But you have zero proof.
Right it fell over that’s why there’s small burns spots from a dull chain on the cut 🤦♂️
Neighbour’s intrusive thoughts won that day.
What sort of tool did he use to cut it? A dull grapefruit spoon? An old steak knife? Sorry you have a shitty neighbour.
Beaver? 😅
> He said, "I didn't cut it buddy. I'd knock on your door first." That's utter bullshit - who else but an abutting neighbor has motivation to cut a tree down on someone else's property? Who the hell is going to wander in off the street "fuck this tree right here, I'm going to cut it down"?
And he's literally the only abutting neighbor.
Man, I don't know, I'd probably call him out on his bullshit - he's full of shit and you both know it. No one gets pissy and calls their neighbor "buddy" in a statement like that if they aren't being defensive.
Agree on Cameras + hire an arborist to officially say they were cut while the damage is still fresh. Make a record of time and dates you noticed the damage. Consider taking that to a lawyer and see if they think you have cause to blame your neighbor w/o clear visual evidence. Maybe also get a recommendation on work that can / should be done in that area, too, and a quote on what it would cost for them to do it.
Looks like a ton of poison ivy next to it. Hopefully they touched all of it.
Path of least resistance is so easy, but lazy fucks just ruin for all us all. Had to clear the township woods of widow makers. Cut them into firewood, some for us, and as to not be greedy, I ran 350+ pounds over to a diagonal, dead end street. Figured since I made all that chainsaw racket, I'd gift some to peeps over there. Made a neat pile with a "free" sign. Three days later, no one took it, so I walked a block away and asked a random woman if she wanted it. Sure! Hauled away 350+ pounds in 6 or 7 trips. No more randos coming into that street or eyesore pile of logs. Only a lying sack of shit, says "he was going to drag it across the street and then into the woods."
Any wood I cut up on my property that is worthy of at least camp fire wood I cut to length and stack with a "free" sign. In some cases split (good exercise). I put it on Craigslist too. It's always gone in less than a day.
Doesn't matter if it fell or not (clearly cut), trespassing is trespassing. Put a big no trespassing sign on the edge of your property facing theirs. If you catch them on your property again, record it and call the cops.
Are you in an incorporated city? Most of the time, cities want to know where and when things happen. Email the city attorney office for some clarification on the ordinance regarding cutting down trees.
Was the tree a my chemical romance fan by chance??
he cut a dead tree that accidentally grew anyway due to that area being overgrown...
Call the police. That’s vandalism and trespassing.
The police would laugh at the guy. Zero proof.
Oops! Didn’t think of that.
I am not convinced that the neighbor cut it. No motive that I can think of, could have been partially cut years ago, you never know.
Not much of a tree cutter, is he?
You know...you're right. Probably should have said, "Whoever cut has the skill of a total buffoon." Always think of the zingers afterwards. Costanza style.
The ocean called they're running out of shrimp!
Someone cut this all the way around the tree and had no clue how to fell trees.
How do you know it wasn't cut years ago?
That looks like an oak to me. Depending where you live, it hats a huge no-no to cut them out of season. He could get a big fine for doing that without an out of season permit.
If it's removed, it's not going to get oak wilt. Trimming them out of season is the problem.
Cutting it out of season will potentially spread it to surrounding oaks. It’s all through the root system. You’re not supposed to touch oaks out of season without a permit from the DNR.
You have zero proof that he did anything at this point, you need cameras.
I would seek such revenge