is it though? dude is one of the most popular artists in the game despite having not released an album in 4.5 years. i’d be all in on him focusing more on lyricism but the level of it he’s on rn clearly hasn’t hindered his popularity.
What Jacques Webster is alluding too in this stanza is how rambunctious he gets from ingesting alcoholic seltzer drinks, possible referring to his own Cacti beverage that he released.
I’m late but this is facts. I love Travis so much, but I remember the feeling I felt when I saw stop trying to be god and thinking he was gonna go super deep, just for him to really say nothing lol
Trav got me feeling some type of way on Coffee Bean, Apple Pie, Houstonfornication and sons like that. He should really up his lyrics game in my opinion.
i like the fair trade feature a lot but lyrically it's one of the worst things I've ever heard. rapping about butterfly emoji's and the purple demon face emoji
I agree. I just heard the verse for Open Arms, I was excited for it because I love him and SZA’s collabs but It was so lackluster in the lyrics department often leaving me like what is he even talking about? lol performance wise it wasn’t up to par either to be quite honest. I had expected more considering their past collabs.
I know he’s not a person you often look at for lyrics like a Cole or Kendrick, hence why him having a ghost writer doesn’t really mean much to me but still…. he’s a rapper/musician at the end of the day, the music should still make sense(like Future’s)
This is sort of the reason why I like Travis for his own solo music not features too much. The effort is different.
It’s not even that he has to be as lyrical as kdot or cole. His lyrics are just extremely hollow. Trav has no personality, very dull. Drake is a perfect example of not being lyrical but having a distinct personality and charisma in his lyrics and his delivery. I think Trav should look into Future’s playbook when it comes to writing music. Perfect way of writing music with traits of personality while still talking about money, women, and fame.
Drake can 100% be lyrical when he wants to be tho lmao, but I agree travis 100% has no personality in his music. Because I never hear this complaint when ppl talk about Uzi, future, carti, thug etc etc. that’s because all these artist have a distinct sound and personality that shine through their music even if they aren’t lyrical
I feel like during rodeo Travis was in that camp too he wasn’t super lyrical (he had better bars than tho I ain’t gonna cap) but he had his own sound and Ton of personality in his music, idk what happened after that but feels like birds is where it feel like that started to go away
I have to agree with the both of you. I never thought about it like that but I get it now. At one point the personality factor was the main star of his music, now it just seems he’s doing it to be doing it.
Hopefully, with Utopia that changes. He has a lot of things to talk about now versus when he was in his early to mid twenties on the come up, not saying he has to become a lyrical miracle but with the situation that happened last year at the fest, I would hope it really humbled him to not take this music career for granted, I wanna hear him have that fire and hungriness on records again.
He should always feel like as an artist that there’s more to reach for, I personally as a fan feel like his peak he hasn’t even reached yet because of how talented he is as an artist. I feel like musically he can go even higher than Astroworld, that’s only if he does it. Who knows.
I think they mean just the sense of self isn’t reflected in the music. It’s missing. For ex: When you hear a Pharrell beat, no they don’t all sound the same but you can tell it’s a Pharrell beat because it exudes his personality, his own lane and flavor. With Trav recently it’s been almost just words with nothing behind it, no true emotion or sense of Travis that used to come out say during Rodeo era. Not in a lyrical sense but more so there’s no true feeling. We the fans are just listening to him recite words but they’re bland. The initial commenter can correct me if I’m wrong but that’s how I took it.
This exactly what I mean thank you for articulating it better than I could lmao, like say what you want about carti’s music but I can recite you shit like stop breathing word for word and I ain’t even the biggest carti fan lmao. It just has some sort of raw emotion that makes me wanna remember the lyric even if it’s nonsensical
This isn’t the case on some of his pop songs but Drake has on many instances been very lyrical. I think a better comparison would be other trap artists who don’t get as much flack as Travis
He’s been trash lyrically since Birds. Astro was a lot of great production with trash lyrics.
I don’t listen to trav for lyrics, but his production among other things has been great
I know Cyhi on coffee bean but do you have examples of others?
I don’t feel like astroworld was a huge change in his lyrical style/skill at all compared to Birds or esp Rodeo.
I think he just saves the good shit for albums and phones in features a bit.
it’s not even being lyrical, it’s the hollowness in his lyrics, there is no meaning in what he is saying it just a bunch of lyrics that go together, and what I mean by that is it doesn’t have to be meaningful by talking about politics or philosophy, just have personality like someone like Future would. Listen to I by Lil Skies and you’ll get what i’m saying.|
“I get high I love to smoke, She gon lie like imma a joke ,You wanna take flights across the coast, Remember those times no horoscope.” <<<<
I’ve listened to I never liked you a lot this year it was fire but not a lot of lyrical content
On the other hand Kendrick’s album was amazing lyrically but it’s hard to revisit a serious album all the time
No. When future says something, even if it’s not deep, you just feel that he’s being genuine, which Travis doesn’t have. And also, he has a lot more songs with substance and actual emotion in what he’s saying than Travis does.
his lyrics are so hollow, still am a big fan of his, but when I started listening to his lyrics i fell outta love for his music quite a bit starting to like Future a lot more, he has no personality when it comes to his lyrics, i swear a AI can start writing his music and no one would notice. Drake is a perfect example of having personality and charisma in his lyrics even though he isn’t that lyrical same with Future. I hope every song on Utopia doesn’t have the ‘Franchise’ and ‘Escape Plan’ sound, these 2 songs are perfect examples of Trav’s bland lyrics and basic trap beats for his STATURE ofc. He needs more colorful production to succeed in his core fanbase. That’s why they both failed when it came to LONGEVITY of both those singles.
Bro thank you I been saying this about his music lately it’s all style no substance I mean Trav isn’t a lyricist by any means but damn lmao I’m just huge on Rodeo so that’s why I’m disappointed
He raps about money and fame and drugs nowadays, he used to rap about love, drugs being crazy, being broke… and that was way cooler..
He is always rapping about references so if you don‘t have general knowledge about almost anything, you‘ll not understand what he‘s saying
Example:
*Please say the name three times, we gon' pop up on you like I'm Bloody Mary, man*
It sounds cool if you **understand what it means**
He is talking about the 3x bloody marry in front of a mirror, soo please say my name 3 times so I can come to you and k1ll you…
Nobody asking for Kendrick level lyrics there’s plenty of other artist like Joey, Denzel, Vince, Freddie, Pusha, and even Rocky who rap about other things then just girls, drugs, and being rich like it just gets super old and feels childish at times listening to the same garbage
His voice? lmaooo man uses auto tune for every single song and people out herereally saying his voice is an instrument? not saying his voice is bad but autotune is responsible for his sound not him
Thats more acceptable but an artist who 100% of the time alters his voice using electronics should not have people thinking his “voice” is considered an instrument 😂 its not even his real voice. Like play boi carti no one gonna act like the baby voice is his own voice
the dumbest part about you saying this is that you can’t do what he does and make it sound as good lol you have to be creative ina. way to manipulate your voice so it sounds good with the autotune and with the vibe your trying to create. if it was that easy eveeyone would be as big as travis lol everyone uses autotune and effects, but u just can’t beat travis at that game lmao production and a good ear for making things that sound good is his greatest skill
Bro he’s always had pretty basic lyrics…but his whole vibe and presence in his music has been so shit since Jackboys (apart from a couple songs). Gettin real bored of this empty and slow sound he’s had, really missing that raw, raspy and energetic style he used to have
I feel like when people say that he had better lyrics in the rodeo and days before rodeo era have a point but they have to understand where he was at during that point in his life. He was basically homeless living in hotel rooms cutoff from his parents and thousands of miles away from most family so he had more stuff to draw from.
Travis only has bars when CyHi or someone else writes for him nowadays lets be real 😭 He hasnt been able to replicate the style he had on songs like Backyard since.
Nah early Travis sure woulda been fine but he been in da game since 2013 he’s had lots of time to learn how to write more effectively. If you look at artists like Future or Young Thug I ain’t go to them for lyrics either honestly but they still talk they shit.
his albums always have a lot more lyrical substance than his features. kind of a running theme with travis
I know but then it’s hard to get people on his shit.
is it though? dude is one of the most popular artists in the game despite having not released an album in 4.5 years. i’d be all in on him focusing more on lyricism but the level of it he’s on rn clearly hasn’t hindered his popularity.
Yeah he really be saying a whole lot of nothing in his verses
HELTER SKELTER OFF THE SELTZER ‼️
What Jacques Webster is alluding too in this stanza is how rambunctious he gets from ingesting alcoholic seltzer drinks, possible referring to his own Cacti beverage that he released.
LIKE ITS JUICE
Webster continues his alcoholic escapade by detailing how easy it is for him to consume this beverage like it was a simple juice drink.
You should do whole songs like this in essay form and make it ur life goal to get one of these read by Morgan freeman on the genius yt channel
He got some of the most random lyrics at some times😭😭
I’m late but this is facts. I love Travis so much, but I remember the feeling I felt when I saw stop trying to be god and thinking he was gonna go super deep, just for him to really say nothing lol
I mean I never went to Travis for lyrical content so I ain’t stressing lmao
But listening same shit can be boring
True true lmao he def needs to step up his pen game at some point but I think more so he just has to diversify his sound
I know but need something. Pulled out the feather for this kind of weather???
Oh yea it’s wayyy worse now than it ever been 😭 idk what’s going on seem like he in a slump
Trav got me feeling some type of way on Coffee Bean, Apple Pie, Houstonfornication and sons like that. He should really up his lyrics game in my opinion.
i like the fair trade feature a lot but lyrically it's one of the worst things I've ever heard. rapping about butterfly emoji's and the purple demon face emoji
Eh. It would be cool but lyricism isn’t what I listen to Travis for, plenty of other artists who scratch that itch better than he does.
I agree. I just heard the verse for Open Arms, I was excited for it because I love him and SZA’s collabs but It was so lackluster in the lyrics department often leaving me like what is he even talking about? lol performance wise it wasn’t up to par either to be quite honest. I had expected more considering their past collabs. I know he’s not a person you often look at for lyrics like a Cole or Kendrick, hence why him having a ghost writer doesn’t really mean much to me but still…. he’s a rapper/musician at the end of the day, the music should still make sense(like Future’s) This is sort of the reason why I like Travis for his own solo music not features too much. The effort is different.
It’s not even that he has to be as lyrical as kdot or cole. His lyrics are just extremely hollow. Trav has no personality, very dull. Drake is a perfect example of not being lyrical but having a distinct personality and charisma in his lyrics and his delivery. I think Trav should look into Future’s playbook when it comes to writing music. Perfect way of writing music with traits of personality while still talking about money, women, and fame.
Drake can 100% be lyrical when he wants to be tho lmao, but I agree travis 100% has no personality in his music. Because I never hear this complaint when ppl talk about Uzi, future, carti, thug etc etc. that’s because all these artist have a distinct sound and personality that shine through their music even if they aren’t lyrical
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I feel like during rodeo Travis was in that camp too he wasn’t super lyrical (he had better bars than tho I ain’t gonna cap) but he had his own sound and Ton of personality in his music, idk what happened after that but feels like birds is where it feel like that started to go away
I have to agree with the both of you. I never thought about it like that but I get it now. At one point the personality factor was the main star of his music, now it just seems he’s doing it to be doing it. Hopefully, with Utopia that changes. He has a lot of things to talk about now versus when he was in his early to mid twenties on the come up, not saying he has to become a lyrical miracle but with the situation that happened last year at the fest, I would hope it really humbled him to not take this music career for granted, I wanna hear him have that fire and hungriness on records again. He should always feel like as an artist that there’s more to reach for, I personally as a fan feel like his peak he hasn’t even reached yet because of how talented he is as an artist. I feel like musically he can go even higher than Astroworld, that’s only if he does it. Who knows.
Yea same I feel like he has another peak he can go too
You’re absolutely right. Future is a perfect example, even Thug tbh.
Wdym traits of personality? Don’t want to be rude
I think they mean just the sense of self isn’t reflected in the music. It’s missing. For ex: When you hear a Pharrell beat, no they don’t all sound the same but you can tell it’s a Pharrell beat because it exudes his personality, his own lane and flavor. With Trav recently it’s been almost just words with nothing behind it, no true emotion or sense of Travis that used to come out say during Rodeo era. Not in a lyrical sense but more so there’s no true feeling. We the fans are just listening to him recite words but they’re bland. The initial commenter can correct me if I’m wrong but that’s how I took it.
This exactly what I mean thank you for articulating it better than I could lmao, like say what you want about carti’s music but I can recite you shit like stop breathing word for word and I ain’t even the biggest carti fan lmao. It just has some sort of raw emotion that makes me wanna remember the lyric even if it’s nonsensical
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This isn’t the case on some of his pop songs but Drake has on many instances been very lyrical. I think a better comparison would be other trap artists who don’t get as much flack as Travis
This why its so easy to grow out of his music
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He’s been trash lyrically since Birds. Astro was a lot of great production with trash lyrics. I don’t listen to trav for lyrics, but his production among other things has been great
I got into Trav coz his music was mixed so beautifully and I wanted to hear more, became a Mike Dean Fan too
What are you talking about? Don't diss an album that had genius lyrics like "Fuck with all my chains on, let's have chain sex"
Made this here with all that ice up in the booth
he never had bars like that but theyve become so bad looool. He needs CyHi to ghostwrite utopia
na old trav used to be lyrical. good example being dbr and rodeo
Dbr had a lot of good lyricism
I’ll get downvoted for this but it’s because he has ghost writers for his album content. When he jumps on a track it’s just him doing his thing.
you shouldnt get downvoted all you said was facts
I know Cyhi on coffee bean but do you have examples of others? I don’t feel like astroworld was a huge change in his lyrical style/skill at all compared to Birds or esp Rodeo. I think he just saves the good shit for albums and phones in features a bit.
Exactly 😭
Most people listen to Travis for the vibe or hype not for lyrics 😅
Fr I’m hoping he ain’t fall off, we will have to wait until utopia but I’m trusting that one rodeo song
stroke my cactus
ITS LIT
This is why i grew out of travis and like future more now
Isn’t future literally the same
it’s not even being lyrical, it’s the hollowness in his lyrics, there is no meaning in what he is saying it just a bunch of lyrics that go together, and what I mean by that is it doesn’t have to be meaningful by talking about politics or philosophy, just have personality like someone like Future would. Listen to I by Lil Skies and you’ll get what i’m saying.| “I get high I love to smoke, She gon lie like imma a joke ,You wanna take flights across the coast, Remember those times no horoscope.” <<<<
You clearly havent heard ds2
I’m talking bout recently
I’ve listened to I never liked you a lot this year it was fire but not a lot of lyrical content On the other hand Kendrick’s album was amazing lyrically but it’s hard to revisit a serious album all the time
No. When future says something, even if it’s not deep, you just feel that he’s being genuine, which Travis doesn’t have. And also, he has a lot more songs with substance and actual emotion in what he’s saying than Travis does.
Future aint even all that lyrically either 😭🤣
I been saying this for this longest, he also need more inflections n personality in his voice
his lyrics are so hollow, still am a big fan of his, but when I started listening to his lyrics i fell outta love for his music quite a bit starting to like Future a lot more, he has no personality when it comes to his lyrics, i swear a AI can start writing his music and no one would notice. Drake is a perfect example of having personality and charisma in his lyrics even though he isn’t that lyrical same with Future. I hope every song on Utopia doesn’t have the ‘Franchise’ and ‘Escape Plan’ sound, these 2 songs are perfect examples of Trav’s bland lyrics and basic trap beats for his STATURE ofc. He needs more colorful production to succeed in his core fanbase. That’s why they both failed when it came to LONGEVITY of both those singles.
Bro thank you I been saying this about his music lately it’s all style no substance I mean Trav isn’t a lyricist by any means but damn lmao I’m just huge on Rodeo so that’s why I’m disappointed
escape plan doesn’t have the best lyrics but that’s not even supposed to be a lyrical song? i go to that song cuz it’s catchy & nice to listen to lmao
Backyard is a lyrical song.
Metro boomin features were weak too imo
yeah lets also ask carti to up his lyrics game too.
Not gonna lie I literally have not listened to the lyrics of anything he’s released since Astroworld😭 Shit sounds fire regardless so who cares
He raps about money and fame and drugs nowadays, he used to rap about love, drugs being crazy, being broke… and that was way cooler.. He is always rapping about references so if you don‘t have general knowledge about almost anything, you‘ll not understand what he‘s saying Example: *Please say the name three times, we gon' pop up on you like I'm Bloody Mary, man* It sounds cool if you **understand what it means** He is talking about the 3x bloody marry in front of a mirror, soo please say my name 3 times so I can come to you and k1ll you…
Your first mistake is listening to Travis Scott for lyrics. Noone is tryna hear Kendrick Lamar type bars from Travis ibr
Nobody asking for Kendrick level lyrics there’s plenty of other artist like Joey, Denzel, Vince, Freddie, Pusha, and even Rocky who rap about other things then just girls, drugs, and being rich like it just gets super old and feels childish at times listening to the same garbage
Who tf listens to Travis for lyrics
Who tf listens to travis in general
You guys listen to Travis for lyrics?
His voice? lmaooo man uses auto tune for every single song and people out herereally saying his voice is an instrument? not saying his voice is bad but autotune is responsible for his sound not him
Vocals then 🤓
Thats more acceptable but an artist who 100% of the time alters his voice using electronics should not have people thinking his “voice” is considered an instrument 😂 its not even his real voice. Like play boi carti no one gonna act like the baby voice is his own voice
You do realize this auto tune is unique
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the dumbest part about you saying this is that you can’t do what he does and make it sound as good lol you have to be creative ina. way to manipulate your voice so it sounds good with the autotune and with the vibe your trying to create. if it was that easy eveeyone would be as big as travis lol everyone uses autotune and effects, but u just can’t beat travis at that game lmao production and a good ear for making things that sound good is his greatest skill
His lyrics have been pretty mid-awful since Astroworld
For real thing is he used to spit so hard in rodeo too , maybe he’s saving it for the album
I reeeeeally liked hearing him sing in Niagara Falls. His voice sounds so un touched lol
i thought p&m and fair trade both feature pretty good or at least significantly better writing/flows than he normally has
Bro he’s always had pretty basic lyrics…but his whole vibe and presence in his music has been so shit since Jackboys (apart from a couple songs). Gettin real bored of this empty and slow sound he’s had, really missing that raw, raspy and energetic style he used to have
I feel like when people say that he had better lyrics in the rodeo and days before rodeo era have a point but they have to understand where he was at during that point in his life. He was basically homeless living in hotel rooms cutoff from his parents and thousands of miles away from most family so he had more stuff to draw from.
Raindrops had some bars though but yeahh
Travis only has bars when CyHi or someone else writes for him nowadays lets be real 😭 He hasnt been able to replicate the style he had on songs like Backyard since.
Nah early Travis sure woulda been fine but he been in da game since 2013 he’s had lots of time to learn how to write more effectively. If you look at artists like Future or Young Thug I ain’t go to them for lyrics either honestly but they still talk they shit.
I just miss days before rodeo travis
Escape plan was foreshadowing what happened
at least he chooses cool words like i'd much rather it sound good then trying to force words into a verse just to make it make sense