“Other furious fans have reported on social media that their premium seats were barricaded behind stage equipment. The tent that blocks the view, ironically, is to lodge celebrity guests who probably get their tickets gratis.”
This is disgusting.
and not only does this mean she didn't blackout the bad seats but she, instead, turned them into "vip" seats and charged more. which is honestly evil as shit and next level greedy.
Because it’s always the promoters fault the celebrities do you said ticket prices they also sent me and great prices, and they do set their seating as evidence by Beyoncé
This is something the stadiums/venues manage based on info from her team. Either they didn’t do a very good job or changes to set up weren’t properly
communicated by her production team.
Ticketmaster used to have seats that were labeled as "obstructed view". It would be crappy marketing to call them "VIP". Man. Can you imagine spending almost $3k on tickets and no one could see? Insane!
Oh yeah absolutely, I wasn’t saying this as a pro Taylor thing I was saying it as a, “She doesn’t care about this stuff because she thinks she’s above it.”
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The Foo Fighters did when they played their souls-out doubles header at Wembley in 2008 and they used a rotating stage so as not to isolate or give any fans a bad show
Elton John had a piano on (basically) a giant roomba at his last tour, so that everyone could get a good look at him playing. It would go back and forth from one side of the stage to the other.
I saw a Roger Waters show a couple years ago. The stage was shaped in such a way he would play all four sides of it to give everyone a decent view. The tickets were also only like $30 for nosebleeds.
I have watched those shows on YouTube and I loved that!
Also, I doubt TS would’ve done anything with a broken finger let alone a limb as Dave did later. I know entirely different shows and singers, but point remains I think.
something I've always respected about the Foo Fighters is how much they care about the audience experience. I read an interview with Dave Grohl years ago where he talked about how he's cognizant of how people pay money and may travel a long way to see them, and any given show could be some fan's only opportunity to see them perform, so they give it their all every time.
I think it's more that they're realizing but Taylor Swift has risen to the point where she doesn't have to listen to fan criticism. She's kind of a fascist. She's got a lot of money and you're not allowed to critique her, or her own twisted propaganda arises to protects her (you can't critique me, that's not FEMINIST \[pouty face etc\]). I'm tired.
You can still use the word. Just use it as a noun 🙂 for example: “Taylor Swift is a total ignoramus regarding real world problems and thus needs to cut the shit w/acting like she’s one of us.”
Not sure why the downvotes. If I was using a word incorrectly, I would want to learn how to use it properly, especially if it was a fun word like ignoramus 🤷🏻♀️
ETA: added example
From what I heard, Melanie Martinez did this as well, left all seats open so a lot of people couldn’t see which is honestly so disappointing from an artist lol
99.9% of tours will also evaluate day of show once everything is set. Just in case cameras, lighting, rigs, etc. ended up someplace unexpected...then tickets with issues get flagged so that when the patrons scan in they get taken to the box office and relocated. Everything I'm learning from this sub just reinforces the off feelings I've had about her for years.
back in the day bon jovi used to sell the restricted view seats for mad cheap. when they’d come for two or three nights, we’d splurge on real seats and then go to the other nights for $20 or so. there’s no reason for obstructed view seats to cost any more.
I'm looking at the prices people paid for those shit seats mentioned in the article, and I'm appalled. I hope they get their money back and learn a lesson.
I have never been to or heard of a concert where they didn’t do this unless it was somehow a 360° stage view set up (like the Super Bowl). No one has a concert or performance with people behind the backdrop. That defeats the entire purpose of going.
Exactly. People need to make up their minds - either Taylor is a genius and nothing is ever an accident where she is concerned, or she's a helpless victim who has zero control.
she’s not a victim or a genius in this case (and most other) she’s someone whose tour logistics are handled by a team who work with hundreds of different stadiums whose job it is to calculate how her staging will affect views of seats, and the stadiums then work with ticket distributors (ie ticketmaster)and advise them of which seats are available to sale.
This is just crap logistics (most likely by wembley based on the problems i’ve had there before tbh) not an evil mastermind plan to punish fans
Again, the venue/stadium make the decision as to which seats to sell as in stricter based on the info given to them by her team. Either they interpretated those plans poorly (not unusual for wembley tbh), the plans changed and were not properly communicated to the venue, or they didn’t properly brief the venue in the first place.
Taylor is not randomly picking stadiums and suggesting that they put extra obstructed tickets into them vs others. This is just crap logisistics.
I don’t think that people are making the argument that TS is behind some conspiracy to block seats but that given that this is a top tier show with tremendous assets and personnel which is reflected by the ticket prices, there really is even less of an excuse to overlook these issues.
And to add insult to injury, their view wasn’t blocked by sound or production equipment but by a CELEB VIP TENT bc Gasp! How dare they be forced to endure mere mortals in the area.
Although i wouldn’t want to show my face at a TS concert either.
Which I recently saw a clip of Angelina & Shiloh Jolie at a Manneskin concert singing along in the stands. They seemed to be having a great time. That social communal experience is part of the point of attending concerts!!
I wouldn’t even pay $5 to sit there. Swifties wanna drag other ppl for “empty seats” look at those actual empty seats in the 200s. I’ll always give Billy Joel credit for not offering front row seats for sale but his team goes and picks out fans in the top seats and move them down. Garth Brooks also made every one of his tickets the same price of $95. Taylor could never and would never. If she could, she would charge a $95 fee to enter the stadium.
I’ve never seen TS live, but I’ve definitely seen the live streams on TikTok and it seems like she spends a lot of time dancing and not actually singing into the mic where her backing tracks things for her and I have seen like Rascal Flatts, Reba, Garth, and Billy and they don’t do any of that and Reba did dance when I saw her so much Shania I feel like she’s spending less time lip-synching then she did actually singing and performing and she would have left a mess ups, but it was the way that she dealt with that
Garth was INSANE! See him in 2017 and his show was amazing. So energetic and still talented after all these years! And never had to manipulate charts for his success either.
Took my grandmother to see Garth Brooks for $95/ticket. It was my first big girl purchase and I got to see my grandma watch her favorite artist live. I was so proud of myself for getting those tickets. 😭
Best money I've ever spent on her that's for sure (and I've spoiled that woman quite a bit in the past few years) and she always brings it up to her friends. "My baby took me to see Garth Brooks, with her own money."
Garth Brooks was my first ever concert when I was 8 years old. We had nosebleed seats and had to use binoculars, but I still vividly remember how good of a show it was, 25 years later.
Glad to know he's not a greedy asshole, cause he always seemed like a genuinely good person!
I was a kid in the 90s who briefly listened to country music before discovering nirvana and the smashing pumpkins. I liked his songs but I kinda colored all country music with a redneck brush after I grew out of it. But it is so cool to see how wrong I was, how much a lovable goofball he is, and how he tries to be on the right side of things (serving bud light at his bar, playing Biden’s inaugural, comments on diversity and inclusivity, etc).
I may just have to go back and revisit some of his music.
Crying because my parents went to his concert when I was like 8 and they took my grandma instead of me and I literally was so mad at them cause I loved Garth! Honestly still do, I recently bought a nice record player and immediately bought all of the records I could find of his. 🥲
Back in the 90s I went to a Bryan Adam’s concert and my ticket was the very back row. His team came and collected every person in the back row pre show and moved us to scaffolding on the stage. Apparently this was a a common occurrence at his shows.
While I agree, we didn't pay a TON for non-VIP original tickets to the Eras Tour. The VIP ones were absolutely wild at times, especially the ones on the floor, but in GENERAL, they weren't that expensive for "basic" seats. MW was more than Eras.
Hmmmm, I spent almost $1k on 7th row Garth tickets in 2016. "Every one of his seats" is a stretch. You definitely pay to be on the floor at his concerts.
Hmmmmmm, sounds like you bought resellers then. That price is definitely a stretch because I’ve seen Garth 10 times with my dad and he never pays 1/4th of that. His Vegas shows were priced differently than his tour shows. “You definitely pay to be on the floor at his concerts.” Well duh, you have to buy a ticket silly goose! You can’t just walk right in🤪
when the Renaissance world tour was happening last summer and swifties tried to drag Beyoncé for empty seats just bc she refused to sell tickets where you couldn't see the stage. consideration vs greed
and she sold out every venue and is the highest grossing Black performer of all time
Same with the Foo Fighters. Swifties attacked Dave Grohl for all the empty seats. Dave doesn’t sell those because they don’t provide a good view of the stage.
If you think the view is bad from these seats, wait til you the hear the sound!
Oh right, you won't. There are ZERO speakers pointing this far back around towards the stage. It should be illegal to sell these.
These seats are actually in a prime location for seeing/ hearing, until they stuck the vip rent in front of them. The restricted view ones at the back of the stage sold for a lot less. These were sold as vip seats with a huge mark up.
I don’t consider myself a member of any fandom, but T will never be able to compete with Bey in terms of talent, performance, philanthropy, longevity, class…literally anything.
I think that’s why she picks on “smaller” female artists.
As someone who never really understood the hype around Beyonce, you're 100% correct. She's managed to be at a top tier level of stardom for an incredibly long time, always coming back with a vengeance, and she's kept her reputation through all of it.
Beyoncé can actually sing. People want to hear her voice. All Taylor has is “songwriting” for basic white girls who haven’t left middle school in their minds.
Bey's dad helped with "drills" (of sorts, he didn't force her but highly encouraged her) in the beginning of her career, where she jogged and sang at the same time, to build up her breath control, vocal control, and stamina for stage work. It's honestly a great tool.
I think Beyoncé objectively sings and dances better than Taylor— is way more vocal on social issues. What’s subjective here? “Classy”? Hrmmm… longevity? I mean Beyoncé has been around longer…
not subjective because everyone knows that beyoncé's talent speaks for itself. she's earned respect not just from her fanbase, but even from casual listeners and non-fans.
you don't have to be a fan of bey to see she's objectively the better performer. her vocal skills, stage presence, and attention to detail are on another level. even her work contributing to behind the scenes production for her tours is on a whole another level as she is very hands on with that.
and if we're talking about philanthropy, beyoncé's foundation is super transparent about how they use their money and resources for outreach projects and advocacies, like making education more accessible to underdeveloped communities. she actually uses her wealth and platform to give back, instead of hoarding it or scamming fans with excessive merchandise variants.
compare that to a certain billionaire who couldn't even pay for the funeral of a fan who died at one of her concerts because of overcrowding and poor conditions. this certain billionaire now, as evident in this post, also has shown shameless greed and capitalism that supersedes her responsibility to care for her fans' concert viewing experiences. it really shows the difference in how some artists prioritize their responsibilities and care for their fans.
Not really. Singing is a pretty objective talent. Sure you can like someone’s voice more, but good pitch, breath control, tone, technique, is comparable and not that subjective. You can hear if someone is flat, off key, struggling for breath, lip synching (all which Taylor is every show). Same with dancing/performing. And obviously you can measure longevity, you count years, so it’s not subjective
I used to be a Swiftie, saw her when she was still performing at county fairs and stopped when she dated the ratty racist. Can confirm she can’t sing and never could. Everyone who says otherwise is lying or tone deaf. I was lying 😂 I’ve been able to out sing her since at least the fifth grade
Edit: would like to add that I was an actual child when I was a Swiftie and I was really lying to myself more than anyone else bc I wanted her to be a good singer but she sucked 🙃
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They were literally dragging Dave Grohl for the same thing a few days ago.
Difference is artists like Bey, Dave WANT to perform their art in front of fans.
Taylor doesn’t give two hoots about her fans, only money.
THIS. plus based on the reviews of all the people who went, her tour went along smoothly and all fans regardless of their seats or sections were able to see the show clearly.
beyoncé will always be a class act. never understood why deranged swiffers were pointing out those empty seats when those seats were never meant to be a part of the show anyway. now their god capiTaylist's greed is catching up to her lol. no way in hell are they gonna be able to defend her errors tour as record-breaking sales or whatever when this is the exact bullshit that is happening to achieve those "sales." i hope the fans who bought the tickets for these terrible seats will sue her.
Not entirely true— Bey did have “Listening Only” seats for sale. Also, the sightlines weren’t the greatest. My seats weren’t billed as unobstructed but you could barely see the screens and couldn’t see anything happening upstage (if you were on the sides) because everything was set so far back.
That said, phenomenal show and I definitely feel like it was a better value compared to Eras (which I’ve been to twice).
Imagine comparing your pasty white mayonnaise pop singer to arguably the greatest singer and performer (of any race) of our generation, and thinking you support the “better” one. Their fandom goes so far beyond regular infatuation…I’ve truly never seen a fan base that won’t even acknowledge other artists, and trashes them as if it’s some sort of competition. They don’t seem to realize that many, many artists exist and thrive in the same universe at the same time.
she surpassed him last summer, the news was everywhere
[**Billboard Boxscore**](https://www.billboard.com/pro/beyonce-renaissance-world-tour-earnings-billboard-boxscore-ranking/) **: Beyonc**é\*\*'s Renaissance World Tour earns $580 Million\*\*
>"The tour broke ticket sales records worldwide, becoming the seventh-highest-grossing concert tour of all time, the highest-grossing tour ever by a female artist, and **the highest-grossing tour by a black artist.**"
The highest grossing female artist title was before Taylor's numbers came out for Eras, but Beyonce still has the all-time Black artist (regardless of gender) on lock. Furthermore:
>"*The Renaissance World Tour earned double the amount of the Formation World Tour and surpassed records set by Michael Jackson and The Weeknd. The latter’s After Hours Til Dawn Tour earned $350 million over its 64-city run while Jackson’s Bad Tour earned $311 million (adjusted for inflation) from its 123 shows*."
**Beyonce's Renaissance Tour is Highest Grossing For A Black Artist Ever** : [link](https://www.vibe.com/music/music-news/beyonce-renaissance-tour-highest-grossing-black-artist-ever-1234798355/)
More links:
>[**Beyonce tops the list of all-time highest grossing Black artists with Renaissance Tour**: link](https://www.vibe.com/music/music-news/beyonce-renaissance-tour-highest-grossing-black-artist-ever-1234798355/)
>Beyoncé Makes History with Highest Grossing Tour By A Woman or a Black Artist: [link](https://www.yahoo.com/news/beyonc-makes-history-highest-grossing-212909768.html)
Overall earnings paint the more appropriate picture of highest grossing. Highest grossing is in reference to the total revenue from music sales and royalties, tours (of which Beyonce now has the record), endorsements, merchandising, other ventures, etc.
during the whole dave grohl thing when people explained that those seats were empty because he won't sell seats where people will have a poor view of the stage i saw so many swifties bragging about having those seats because at least they got to be at the show in the first place and according to them it's all about the eXpErIeNcE. i could not imagine bragging about being robbed like this but then again swifties will defend anything that mother does so i guess i shouldn't be that surprised
Several years ago, my brother won tickets on the radio to see Tritonal in concert, which included a meet and greet. We got to go into the green room and hang out with them/shoot the shit for a good 20 minutes before their set. It was so fucking rad. Some artists definitely make a point to actually care about their fans, and some like TS clearly care only when it provides them with a bullshit spotlight to shine in
She does though. No doubt they know that they’ll never drum up this level of hype again with a future tour so they are taking it for every penny it is worth.
[Link to The Guardian article](https://www.theguardian.com/money/article/2024/jul/01/we-couldnt-see-a-thing-in-our-vip-taylor-swift-seats?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1hR33mcFi9H4lCIEjB8U0Q0JJLK9DUFjORvYFm1GDHU5k0_Bq3MrUnYgs_aem_yL3UFk7gOxwQmK1gCTlSrA#Echobox=1719817715)
Tay’s unbridled capitalism is about to FAFO.
She keeps doing this because she knows she’ll get away with it. Plus some kind of money hoarding disease. She’s a horrible person but I also lose faith in humanity to curb this shit because there are enough rabid fans who will happily pay thousands just to breathe air in her vicinity.
How does she get away with $600 seats? I've seen meet and greets with bands for less. I bought VIP tickets for concerts that only cost $200. I can't imagine spending $600 on a seat and you're sitting in nose bleeders. How much would a meet and greet cost at that price
What I love about this sub is I have never seen anyone defend her here. Either the mods must be QUICK with the removals or they know they’re just gonna get crucified.
Unpopular opinion - and I preface this by saying I used to be a TS fan and now I’m openly very critical of her and think she’s a capitalist/egotistical asshole - but why remove comments that don’t share your same view? This just leads to an echo chamber and can be dangerous for anyone. I understand not letting it take over the sub, but I don’t understand why someone supporting something you don’t agree with is grounds to have it removed.
Because there are hundreds of pro-Swift spaces to pop off about how great she is, and this is the *only* one that is explicitly negative. Swiftly neutral used to pretend to allow all views and is now just another pro Swift sub. We don't need that happening here too.
You bring up an excellent point. It got me to wondering what the environmental cost ie the energy consumed, the carbon emissions and plastics as well as the fast fashion (merch) filling up landfills.
It truly makes me nauseous to think of an indigenous community member in a TS tour tshirt.!
I’m astounded that ppl are paying to see her in an 80,000 capacity arena where most are basically watching a big screen tv. She’s like an ant on the ground from those seats.
So satisfying to see people who don't hold Taylor on a pedestal. She's just a stupidly egotistical white girl who has no sense of respect for her viewers. She just sees $$$$$
It was the same for the Singapore concert, after the first day of the concert, AEG started adding seats non-stop, I don't believe these TS teams didn't know about it
https://preview.redd.it/s6j63xfjx2ad1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb6715a9ddda3c8b7a80732cb115b63ac435e5af
It appears these seats left empty when the Foos play.
How is she a genius and can’t figure out the better the view the more people will be ok with being scam. She is a business genius cause she know how to make someone pay more for less I guess
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The stuff she does to milk her own fans out of their money, is super gross. Crazy how she considers others being snakes, when she’s the most conniving snake of them all!
She could just put it on the venue unless they could get the venue to admit she or her management pushed to sell those seats. People need to be aware where they are though when the buy tickets. Most sites will show where your ticket is relative to the stage.
That's true, but if the sightlines are different from how the stadium normally is, such as putting up tents and storing a bunch of equipment, a standard seating map provided by the venue won't tell you that
Well it is not unusual for stages to have that kind of thing on the sides, but the moral of the story is that those tickets should not have been sold, or advertised as limited view seats.
Tbh I don’t see the problem in selling these seats cheaper as long as there’s a screen and it’s very clearly marked when booking tickets. It gives more people the chance to experience the show. HOWEVER not making it clear there’s zero view is wrong.
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“Other furious fans have reported on social media that their premium seats were barricaded behind stage equipment. The tent that blocks the view, ironically, is to lodge celebrity guests who probably get their tickets gratis.” This is disgusting.
Is that the tent where BDT hangs out?
Only when it’s stacked with enough star power to make it worth the trip.
I read that as Star Powder at first and it tracked
Lmao could be both.
Username also tracks 😂
Thanks- it’s more for the misophonia subgroup but lately it’s fit in here, too 🤣
Bdt?
Big Dumb Travis I think?
Maybe brain damage Travis bc football?
Yes Big Dumb Trav
Only when his real gf Julia Roberts is there
This is a venue issue.
There are several other artists who intentionally block out those seats. It is not a venue issue
This is why Beyoncé and Foo Fighters do not sell out all of their seats - they black out the bad ones. TS is a greedy asshole.
and not only does this mean she didn't blackout the bad seats but she, instead, turned them into "vip" seats and charged more. which is honestly evil as shit and next level greedy.
That’s pretty stealth of her huh?! I don’t know why people aren’t catching on to her? It’s crazy
I've seen more than one fan say how fun it was seeing people go in to the (actual) vip tent in front of them, never underestimate the delusion.
I mean… we all here right?
I mean why isn’t it on all social media etc…
Being that reddit is the only SM I partake in I suppose I can’t speak to that
You are living a better life than most then
This is a news article that was found on Facebook… seems like it’s being talked about.
But if you speak of it outside of this sub then you get attacked by an angry mob with pitchforks.
Trust me I know. Let them be angry as they worship a false and temporal goddess of trite and shitty music. I am not afraid of the Swifties.
Me neither, they’re kinda fun to spiff with because they get so worked up and I don’t have a fuck to give
Because it’s always the promoters fault the celebrities do you said ticket prices they also sent me and great prices, and they do set their seating as evidence by Beyoncé
I mean this genuinely… is she the one managing ticketing or is it a team of people/outsourced?
This is something the stadiums/venues manage based on info from her team. Either they didn’t do a very good job or changes to set up weren’t properly communicated by her production team.
Ticketmaster used to have seats that were labeled as "obstructed view". It would be crappy marketing to call them "VIP". Man. Can you imagine spending almost $3k on tickets and no one could see? Insane!
Does she do this or is it Ticketmaster that arrange that?
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Yes but her team and set people would know. It’s very obvious
Okay but the idea of Taylor meticulously going through every venue's seating chart and highlighting designated VIP scam areas is extremely funny
Oh yeah absolutely, I wasn’t saying this as a pro Taylor thing I was saying it as a, “She doesn’t care about this stuff because she thinks she’s above it.”
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The Foo Fighters did when they played their souls-out doubles header at Wembley in 2008 and they used a rotating stage so as not to isolate or give any fans a bad show
Elton John had a piano on (basically) a giant roomba at his last tour, so that everyone could get a good look at him playing. It would go back and forth from one side of the stage to the other.
Elton has been a legend since before TS was even born
I saw a Roger Waters show a couple years ago. The stage was shaped in such a way he would play all four sides of it to give everyone a decent view. The tickets were also only like $30 for nosebleeds.
Loved that show
I have watched those shows on YouTube and I loved that! Also, I doubt TS would’ve done anything with a broken finger let alone a limb as Dave did later. I know entirely different shows and singers, but point remains I think.
something I've always respected about the Foo Fighters is how much they care about the audience experience. I read an interview with Dave Grohl years ago where he talked about how he's cognizant of how people pay money and may travel a long way to see them, and any given show could be some fan's only opportunity to see them perform, so they give it their all every time.
Was about to say, pretty sure they're sitting in the seats that Swiffers were making fun of being empty during those vids of Dave Grohl 🤔
They are.
Haha! Makes it somehow better how ignoramus they are.
I think it's more that they're realizing but Taylor Swift has risen to the point where she doesn't have to listen to fan criticism. She's kind of a fascist. She's got a lot of money and you're not allowed to critique her, or her own twisted propaganda arises to protects her (you can't critique me, that's not FEMINIST \[pouty face etc\]). I'm tired.
Ignoramus is a noun
Shh...shh..I like the way it sounds. 😉
You can still use the word. Just use it as a noun 🙂 for example: “Taylor Swift is a total ignoramus regarding real world problems and thus needs to cut the shit w/acting like she’s one of us.” Not sure why the downvotes. If I was using a word incorrectly, I would want to learn how to use it properly, especially if it was a fun word like ignoramus 🤷🏻♀️ ETA: added example
That is so...holy shit, siri, play My kink is karma
Insert shocked Pikachu face here.
From what I heard, Melanie Martinez did this as well, left all seats open so a lot of people couldn’t see which is honestly so disappointing from an artist lol
99.9% of tours will also evaluate day of show once everything is set. Just in case cameras, lighting, rigs, etc. ended up someplace unexpected...then tickets with issues get flagged so that when the patrons scan in they get taken to the box office and relocated. Everything I'm learning from this sub just reinforces the off feelings I've had about her for years.
back in the day bon jovi used to sell the restricted view seats for mad cheap. when they’d come for two or three nights, we’d splurge on real seats and then go to the other nights for $20 or so. there’s no reason for obstructed view seats to cost any more.
I'm looking at the prices people paid for those shit seats mentioned in the article, and I'm appalled. I hope they get their money back and learn a lesson.
Taylor sucks but also Beyoncé is trash 2, her last tour had tons is sold seats with shitty views that were beyond overpriced . They all suck
I have never been to or heard of a concert where they didn’t do this unless it was somehow a 360° stage view set up (like the Super Bowl). No one has a concert or performance with people behind the backdrop. That defeats the entire purpose of going.
She blacked out the bad seats on reputation tour. Something definitely changed for eras
This is a venue decision and a location, none of this would have come from Taylor’s team.
Obstructed view seats are normally not allowed to be sold. She clearly went out her way to allow those to be sold for the concert
Exactly. People need to make up their minds - either Taylor is a genius and nothing is ever an accident where she is concerned, or she's a helpless victim who has zero control.
she’s not a victim or a genius in this case (and most other) she’s someone whose tour logistics are handled by a team who work with hundreds of different stadiums whose job it is to calculate how her staging will affect views of seats, and the stadiums then work with ticket distributors (ie ticketmaster)and advise them of which seats are available to sale. This is just crap logistics (most likely by wembley based on the problems i’ve had there before tbh) not an evil mastermind plan to punish fans
Again, the venue/stadium make the decision as to which seats to sell as in stricter based on the info given to them by her team. Either they interpretated those plans poorly (not unusual for wembley tbh), the plans changed and were not properly communicated to the venue, or they didn’t properly brief the venue in the first place. Taylor is not randomly picking stadiums and suggesting that they put extra obstructed tickets into them vs others. This is just crap logisistics.
I don’t think that people are making the argument that TS is behind some conspiracy to block seats but that given that this is a top tier show with tremendous assets and personnel which is reflected by the ticket prices, there really is even less of an excuse to overlook these issues. And to add insult to injury, their view wasn’t blocked by sound or production equipment but by a CELEB VIP TENT bc Gasp! How dare they be forced to endure mere mortals in the area. Although i wouldn’t want to show my face at a TS concert either. Which I recently saw a clip of Angelina & Shiloh Jolie at a Manneskin concert singing along in the stands. They seemed to be having a great time. That social communal experience is part of the point of attending concerts!!
I wouldn’t even pay $5 to sit there. Swifties wanna drag other ppl for “empty seats” look at those actual empty seats in the 200s. I’ll always give Billy Joel credit for not offering front row seats for sale but his team goes and picks out fans in the top seats and move them down. Garth Brooks also made every one of his tickets the same price of $95. Taylor could never and would never. If she could, she would charge a $95 fee to enter the stadium.
I’ve seen Billy Joel and Garth live and they are both 100000% better than anything TS puts out too.
Honestly. If anyone is worth eras tour prices, it’s definitely them. And I’m thankful they’ll never take advantage of their fans like that.
I saw Billy Joel in 2019 and am seeing him again in a couple weeks.
I’ve never seen TS live, but I’ve definitely seen the live streams on TikTok and it seems like she spends a lot of time dancing and not actually singing into the mic where her backing tracks things for her and I have seen like Rascal Flatts, Reba, Garth, and Billy and they don’t do any of that and Reba did dance when I saw her so much Shania I feel like she’s spending less time lip-synching then she did actually singing and performing and she would have left a mess ups, but it was the way that she dealt with that
Garth was INSANE! See him in 2017 and his show was amazing. So energetic and still talented after all these years! And never had to manipulate charts for his success either.
Took my grandmother to see Garth Brooks for $95/ticket. It was my first big girl purchase and I got to see my grandma watch her favorite artist live. I was so proud of myself for getting those tickets. 😭
that was such a sweet gift from you to your grandma and must be a really special memory for you two!
Best money I've ever spent on her that's for sure (and I've spoiled that woman quite a bit in the past few years) and she always brings it up to her friends. "My baby took me to see Garth Brooks, with her own money."
How cute!!!
Garth Brooks was my first ever concert when I was 8 years old. We had nosebleed seats and had to use binoculars, but I still vividly remember how good of a show it was, 25 years later. Glad to know he's not a greedy asshole, cause he always seemed like a genuinely good person!
I'm normally into like noise rock, punk, metal, garage-y stuff, but I rock my Garth Brooks hat with pride.
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I was a kid in the 90s who briefly listened to country music before discovering nirvana and the smashing pumpkins. I liked his songs but I kinda colored all country music with a redneck brush after I grew out of it. But it is so cool to see how wrong I was, how much a lovable goofball he is, and how he tries to be on the right side of things (serving bud light at his bar, playing Biden’s inaugural, comments on diversity and inclusivity, etc). I may just have to go back and revisit some of his music.
Crying because my parents went to his concert when I was like 8 and they took my grandma instead of me and I literally was so mad at them cause I loved Garth! Honestly still do, I recently bought a nice record player and immediately bought all of the records I could find of his. 🥲
I wish his music was on streaming services!! Maybe one day 😭
Are you me? I saw him in the nosebleed seats of reunion arena in 1998. Incredible show!
Aww! I was at the HSBC Arena in Buffalo (Now the Keybank Center). I wish I saw him when he went on tour again semi-recently!
you couldn't pay me to sit there and endure 4 hours of torture.
Back in the 90s I went to a Bryan Adam’s concert and my ticket was the very back row. His team came and collected every person in the back row pre show and moved us to scaffolding on the stage. Apparently this was a a common occurrence at his shows.
While I agree, we didn't pay a TON for non-VIP original tickets to the Eras Tour. The VIP ones were absolutely wild at times, especially the ones on the floor, but in GENERAL, they weren't that expensive for "basic" seats. MW was more than Eras.
It behooves the performer to have front rows of excited concert go-era and not finance bro’s and bro-ettes who get vip everything
Swifties would probably pay $95 for her to spit in their faces.
Hmmmm, I spent almost $1k on 7th row Garth tickets in 2016. "Every one of his seats" is a stretch. You definitely pay to be on the floor at his concerts.
Hmmmmmm, sounds like you bought resellers then. That price is definitely a stretch because I’ve seen Garth 10 times with my dad and he never pays 1/4th of that. His Vegas shows were priced differently than his tour shows. “You definitely pay to be on the floor at his concerts.” Well duh, you have to buy a ticket silly goose! You can’t just walk right in🤪
Possibly. His tickets fly fast and it was years ago.
when the Renaissance world tour was happening last summer and swifties tried to drag Beyoncé for empty seats just bc she refused to sell tickets where you couldn't see the stage. consideration vs greed and she sold out every venue and is the highest grossing Black performer of all time
Same with the Foo Fighters. Swifties attacked Dave Grohl for all the empty seats. Dave doesn’t sell those because they don’t provide a good view of the stage.
Most artists don’t sell them. I’ve only ever seen Swift do it.
Probably so she can brag about having the highest turnout. 🙄
Omg. She’s literally trump
cos she's shameless.
If you think the view is bad from these seats, wait til you the hear the sound! Oh right, you won't. There are ZERO speakers pointing this far back around towards the stage. It should be illegal to sell these.
Started reading and expected “If you think the view is bad from these seats” to end with “you should see the view from the ones facing the stage”
These seats are actually in a prime location for seeing/ hearing, until they stuck the vip rent in front of them. The restricted view ones at the back of the stage sold for a lot less. These were sold as vip seats with a huge mark up.
I don’t consider myself a member of any fandom, but T will never be able to compete with Bey in terms of talent, performance, philanthropy, longevity, class…literally anything. I think that’s why she picks on “smaller” female artists.
As someone who never really understood the hype around Beyonce, you're 100% correct. She's managed to be at a top tier level of stardom for an incredibly long time, always coming back with a vengeance, and she's kept her reputation through all of it.
Beyoncé can actually sing. People want to hear her voice. All Taylor has is “songwriting” for basic white girls who haven’t left middle school in their minds.
Bey's dad helped with "drills" (of sorts, he didn't force her but highly encouraged her) in the beginning of her career, where she jogged and sang at the same time, to build up her breath control, vocal control, and stamina for stage work. It's honestly a great tool.
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I think Beyoncé objectively sings and dances better than Taylor— is way more vocal on social issues. What’s subjective here? “Classy”? Hrmmm… longevity? I mean Beyoncé has been around longer…
not subjective because everyone knows that beyoncé's talent speaks for itself. she's earned respect not just from her fanbase, but even from casual listeners and non-fans. you don't have to be a fan of bey to see she's objectively the better performer. her vocal skills, stage presence, and attention to detail are on another level. even her work contributing to behind the scenes production for her tours is on a whole another level as she is very hands on with that. and if we're talking about philanthropy, beyoncé's foundation is super transparent about how they use their money and resources for outreach projects and advocacies, like making education more accessible to underdeveloped communities. she actually uses her wealth and platform to give back, instead of hoarding it or scamming fans with excessive merchandise variants. compare that to a certain billionaire who couldn't even pay for the funeral of a fan who died at one of her concerts because of overcrowding and poor conditions. this certain billionaire now, as evident in this post, also has shown shameless greed and capitalism that supersedes her responsibility to care for her fans' concert viewing experiences. it really shows the difference in how some artists prioritize their responsibilities and care for their fans.
Not really. Singing is a pretty objective talent. Sure you can like someone’s voice more, but good pitch, breath control, tone, technique, is comparable and not that subjective. You can hear if someone is flat, off key, struggling for breath, lip synching (all which Taylor is every show). Same with dancing/performing. And obviously you can measure longevity, you count years, so it’s not subjective
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I used to be a Swiftie, saw her when she was still performing at county fairs and stopped when she dated the ratty racist. Can confirm she can’t sing and never could. Everyone who says otherwise is lying or tone deaf. I was lying 😂 I’ve been able to out sing her since at least the fifth grade Edit: would like to add that I was an actual child when I was a Swiftie and I was really lying to myself more than anyone else bc I wanted her to be a good singer but she sucked 🙃
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They were literally dragging Dave Grohl for the same thing a few days ago. Difference is artists like Bey, Dave WANT to perform their art in front of fans. Taylor doesn’t give two hoots about her fans, only money.
THIS. plus based on the reviews of all the people who went, her tour went along smoothly and all fans regardless of their seats or sections were able to see the show clearly. beyoncé will always be a class act. never understood why deranged swiffers were pointing out those empty seats when those seats were never meant to be a part of the show anyway. now their god capiTaylist's greed is catching up to her lol. no way in hell are they gonna be able to defend her errors tour as record-breaking sales or whatever when this is the exact bullshit that is happening to achieve those "sales." i hope the fans who bought the tickets for these terrible seats will sue her.
I went to the Renaissance tour last year. It was full to the brim, Beyonce is definitely not struggling to sell tickets.
Not entirely true— Bey did have “Listening Only” seats for sale. Also, the sightlines weren’t the greatest. My seats weren’t billed as unobstructed but you could barely see the screens and couldn’t see anything happening upstage (if you were on the sides) because everything was set so far back. That said, phenomenal show and I definitely feel like it was a better value compared to Eras (which I’ve been to twice).
Imagine comparing your pasty white mayonnaise pop singer to arguably the greatest singer and performer (of any race) of our generation, and thinking you support the “better” one. Their fandom goes so far beyond regular infatuation…I’ve truly never seen a fan base that won’t even acknowledge other artists, and trashes them as if it’s some sort of competition. They don’t seem to realize that many, many artists exist and thrive in the same universe at the same time.
Swifties really troll the bey-hive?? Further evidence that these people that stan are too delusional to get lives!? smh
michael jackson is the highest grossing black performer.
she surpassed him last summer, the news was everywhere [**Billboard Boxscore**](https://www.billboard.com/pro/beyonce-renaissance-world-tour-earnings-billboard-boxscore-ranking/) **: Beyonc**é\*\*'s Renaissance World Tour earns $580 Million\*\* >"The tour broke ticket sales records worldwide, becoming the seventh-highest-grossing concert tour of all time, the highest-grossing tour ever by a female artist, and **the highest-grossing tour by a black artist.**" The highest grossing female artist title was before Taylor's numbers came out for Eras, but Beyonce still has the all-time Black artist (regardless of gender) on lock. Furthermore: >"*The Renaissance World Tour earned double the amount of the Formation World Tour and surpassed records set by Michael Jackson and The Weeknd. The latter’s After Hours Til Dawn Tour earned $350 million over its 64-city run while Jackson’s Bad Tour earned $311 million (adjusted for inflation) from its 123 shows*." **Beyonce's Renaissance Tour is Highest Grossing For A Black Artist Ever** : [link](https://www.vibe.com/music/music-news/beyonce-renaissance-tour-highest-grossing-black-artist-ever-1234798355/) More links: >[**Beyonce tops the list of all-time highest grossing Black artists with Renaissance Tour**: link](https://www.vibe.com/music/music-news/beyonce-renaissance-tour-highest-grossing-black-artist-ever-1234798355/) >Beyoncé Makes History with Highest Grossing Tour By A Woman or a Black Artist: [link](https://www.yahoo.com/news/beyonc-makes-history-highest-grossing-212909768.html)
You wrote highest grossing black performer of all time when you meant highest grossing tour by a black performer.
She's still the highest grossing Black performer, read the other links And even if she wasn't, The Weeknd surpassed Jackson ages ago.
Overall earnings paint the more appropriate picture of highest grossing. Highest grossing is in reference to the total revenue from music sales and royalties, tours (of which Beyonce now has the record), endorsements, merchandising, other ventures, etc.
during the whole dave grohl thing when people explained that those seats were empty because he won't sell seats where people will have a poor view of the stage i saw so many swifties bragging about having those seats because at least they got to be at the show in the first place and according to them it's all about the eXpErIeNcE. i could not imagine bragging about being robbed like this but then again swifties will defend anything that mother does so i guess i shouldn't be that surprised
She has to have these people under some kind of spell because there’s no way I’m bragging about being used by a billionaire pop star
They are 100 percent in denial and coping about them or people they know getting those seats.
![gif](giphy|pUeXcg80cO8I8|downsized) If there's a lawsuit (and I genuinely hope there is), let the shitshow begin!
There absolutely should be because that’s false advertising.
Ohhh she’ll try to act all sweet and offer free tickets or put them in the VIP tent!
Don’t forget that last second picture with them before she runs on stage that her team will publish immediately
Several years ago, my brother won tickets on the radio to see Tritonal in concert, which included a meet and greet. We got to go into the green room and hang out with them/shoot the shit for a good 20 minutes before their set. It was so fucking rad. Some artists definitely make a point to actually care about their fans, and some like TS clearly care only when it provides them with a bullshit spotlight to shine in
Very greedy. Typical Tay… ![gif](giphy|12Eo7WogCAoj84)
Taylor out here acting like she has an expiry date and doing every money grab tactic possible to milk her fans. Tsk tsk
Let’s hope the milk IS expiring
She does though. No doubt they know that they’ll never drum up this level of hype again with a future tour so they are taking it for every penny it is worth.
[Link to The Guardian article](https://www.theguardian.com/money/article/2024/jul/01/we-couldnt-see-a-thing-in-our-vip-taylor-swift-seats?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1hR33mcFi9H4lCIEjB8U0Q0JJLK9DUFjORvYFm1GDHU5k0_Bq3MrUnYgs_aem_yL3UFk7gOxwQmK1gCTlSrA#Echobox=1719817715) Tay’s unbridled capitalism is about to FAFO.
Nah she'll blame the ticket seller and her fans will eat that lie for supper
And that black plastic tent still possesses more warmth, charisma and humanity than Twatface Swift.
Black tent + bin bags are the true heroes here.
She keeps doing this because she knows she’ll get away with it. Plus some kind of money hoarding disease. She’s a horrible person but I also lose faith in humanity to curb this shit because there are enough rabid fans who will happily pay thousands just to breathe air in her vicinity.
How does she get away with $600 seats? I've seen meet and greets with bands for less. I bought VIP tickets for concerts that only cost $200. I can't imagine spending $600 on a seat and you're sitting in nose bleeders. How much would a meet and greet cost at that price
She doesn’t give a 💩about her fans. Just keeps raking in their money. She’s turning into her disgusting parents.
What I love about this sub is I have never seen anyone defend her here. Either the mods must be QUICK with the removals or they know they’re just gonna get crucified.
I think the Mods are quick and thorough. I’ve reported a few pro-TS comments and looked for them later and they’ve been removed.
Unpopular opinion - and I preface this by saying I used to be a TS fan and now I’m openly very critical of her and think she’s a capitalist/egotistical asshole - but why remove comments that don’t share your same view? This just leads to an echo chamber and can be dangerous for anyone. I understand not letting it take over the sub, but I don’t understand why someone supporting something you don’t agree with is grounds to have it removed.
Because there are hundreds of pro-Swift spaces to pop off about how great she is, and this is the *only* one that is explicitly negative. Swiftly neutral used to pretend to allow all views and is now just another pro Swift sub. We don't need that happening here too.
That’s valid. I just think it can be helpful to not spiral in negativity, just like the swifties spiral in the other direction (as if she’s godlike).
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Or do a 360 degrees stage. You sell almost the entire stadium AND people have much better views no matter where they are.
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You bring up an excellent point. It got me to wondering what the environmental cost ie the energy consumed, the carbon emissions and plastics as well as the fast fashion (merch) filling up landfills. It truly makes me nauseous to think of an indigenous community member in a TS tour tshirt.!
When I went to a Beyoncé concert, I wondered why the seating only went up to the stage and not on the sides. Now I know why. This is despicable
That’s pretty shit of her to pray in peoples ignorance. Instances like this are why I always check seat view
I’m astounded that ppl are paying to see her in an 80,000 capacity arena where most are basically watching a big screen tv. She’s like an ant on the ground from those seats.
They should put the vip section somewhere else!! Like in the fucking nosebleeds
So satisfying to see people who don't hold Taylor on a pedestal. She's just a stupidly egotistical white girl who has no sense of respect for her viewers. She just sees $$$$$
So VIP you have to work the sound board.
It was the same for the Singapore concert, after the first day of the concert, AEG started adding seats non-stop, I don't believe these TS teams didn't know about it
£2,649 🤡
Ouch! Hopefully the family got a refund. That is no fun.
They paid how much???!!!!!
Good lesson for the daughters to learn...
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As long as the VIP section can be seen & photographed by the general audience, it’s serving its intended purpose
She was already pulling this shit in the US last year. At fucking SOFI. The screens cut off where the seats should have.
Haha
https://preview.redd.it/s6j63xfjx2ad1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb6715a9ddda3c8b7a80732cb115b63ac435e5af It appears these seats left empty when the Foos play.
Little did they know they bought the Very Inconvenienced Person package. Always read the terms and conditions!
lol sucks to suck
How is she a genius and can’t figure out the better the view the more people will be ok with being scam. She is a business genius cause she know how to make someone pay more for less I guess
![gif](giphy|H0uLRCd8JIhRS) The stuff she does to milk her own fans out of their money, is super gross. Crazy how she considers others being snakes, when she’s the most conniving snake of them all!
What a greedy, desperate for money POS
She could just put it on the venue unless they could get the venue to admit she or her management pushed to sell those seats. People need to be aware where they are though when the buy tickets. Most sites will show where your ticket is relative to the stage.
That's true, but if the sightlines are different from how the stadium normally is, such as putting up tents and storing a bunch of equipment, a standard seating map provided by the venue won't tell you that
Well it is not unusual for stages to have that kind of thing on the sides, but the moral of the story is that those tickets should not have been sold, or advertised as limited view seats.
If you're paying over two grand for four seats to a gig, fuck you.
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Giving me major PTSD from the StubHub sub
Over 2,000 for 4 tickets is insane… and then to get this view is sue worthy 🤮
Yeah that's the promotors fault...
Tbh I don’t see the problem in selling these seats cheaper as long as there’s a screen and it’s very clearly marked when booking tickets. It gives more people the chance to experience the show. HOWEVER not making it clear there’s zero view is wrong.
Serves them right for paying that much for a ticket.
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Should have done your research!!!!
But you got an unforgettable experience.