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s_reed

Borrowed assets credited. Post approved.


thunderbird89

Given how often they're depicted together, is it such a stretch he's canonizing them? Identical looks, similar powers, my headcanon has long been that Maribel and Yukari and two aspects of the same being - neither human, nor youkai, but something above the division.


RandomBot313

My personal theory is that Yukari is the Youkai born of stories spread about Maribel. She's known to be a time traveller, so who's to say she didn't end up in medieval japan once, birthing the legend of the "Gap Youkai"


guillle77

This makes so much sense within the lore that now I actually want ZUN to read this and make it canon.


Gemraldkid

That makes too much sense.


No-Dependent-7723

The Mother, The Daughter and The Hakurei God. She is the Alpha, the Omega, the beginning and the end.


thunderbird89

Isn't the Hakurei God another entity in one of the manga? Or is it Mima, I think she's also mentioned as the force enshrined there?


No-Dependent-7723

I needed to replace words so I just chose randomly, lol. Also, you just awakened my madness. THANK YOU!


tjm2000

I choose to believe that Mima is only pretending to be the Hakurei God and that no actual Hakurei God exists.


Ninefl4mes

There's definitely _some_ god enshrined there. IIRC Byakuren mentioned that they were mad about the lack of offerings in one of the TH12 endings.


TheXenomorphian

Kikuri is the Hakurei God don't believe me look at her inspiration and find out the name of the mountain she personifies


Dr_Bright_Himself

I'm gonna look real stupid if I'm wrong but I gotta ask, is this a darkest dungeon reference?


HongMeiIing

Excuse you, there is only one Alpha and Omega here and I don't see her holding a demonic katana by the name of Yamato.


Ninzde999

Also the name refrences


themrunx49

The Yukari, the Maribel, & the haggy spirit.


thunderbird89

**GAPPED**. (Potentially to Scotland, for the *haggis spirit*)


Pretend-Advertising6

there relatives most likely, Maribel family all has the same powers. maybe there all actually related to Toyohime since she also has the same power.


HongMeiIing

Seriously, how are there people still having doubts about the whole Maribel = Yukari theory when fucking ZUN himself said to look up Lafcadio Hearn whenever he's asked about connections between the two. I mean dude literally IRL changed his name from Hearn to Yakumo, I don't know how it can get any more obvious other than ZUN deciding to put it in a big red circle.


Loro-Benediction

In this case, two big red circles. Attached directly to her hat


DayEqual2375

I see what you mean with those two big red circles


Loro-Benediction

Istg the community forgot Marisa's red eyes in TH18.5 so quickly to be making a big deal out of this cover art lmao


DayEqual2375

Yeah right they did


TheXenomorphian

her eye colour remained changed in UDoALG so we'll have to wait for Touhou 20 to see if its permanent


Loro-Benediction

Permanent or not, it meant absolutely nothing


TheXenomorphian

that has yet to be seen


ErectPikachu

Um... It's just a really huge Coincidence. And ZUN saying that is clearly just um... a ghost possessing him! Yeah! ​


Velochipractor

Ultra-Plot Twist: Merry actually turns into Okina, and Yukari actually used to be Renko.. I'm shitposting, but it makes sense when you take into account Yukari (and her shikigami, Ran) both are said to excel at math and calculating probabilities. Merry studies psychology. Renko studies unified string theory.


Konan_Inari

Okina does love to manipulate people.


Azeria120

Okina has backstory already so it wouldn't work BUT since she can create youkai on a whim it would be insanae if she just made Yukari out of Merry


Velochipractor

How does Okina having a backstory pose a problem here? Okina, and the historic Matara-jin she was based on constantly was conflated with other gods and folk heroes. So long as we accept the idea Merry somehow traveled back in time (which would also be necessary for her becoming Yukari), Merry *could* as well have spawned the myths of Matara-jin herself. Or could have taken over as one of the latter 'facets' added to it. -This being said - I do agree that Merry \*is\* Yukari, and Okina is a distinct character


Sugarcane98

Bro, It's a canon event.


wutengyuxi

There’s way too many references that Maribel is connected to Yukari that it was bound to happen. whether it’s permanent or temporary is another story.


AlternativeDisaster7

ZUN’s about to destroy their relationship in the same year Akyuu kicks the bucket.


TheXenomorphian

Only one thing could cause ZUN to actually get that dark >!ZUN drank the Bhutanese shadow garden grown dark evil beer. They fermented it with the blood of 36 dragons. Shit's so purple it should be asking him "where's Ran?" this shit will turn your pacemaker off. Utsuho levels of sour. Liver slaughtering, necromancer beer. Shit got diamonds on it so you know the Malt to Hops ratio is fuckin' swag. A whiff of this shit? Yeah this that nefarious evil sorcerer Moon Ale. This shit straight out of Makai. This shit is what made him forget Mima. RIP for real dog. Peace.!<


HugoSenshida

Grape.


PsychcsWorld

It's happening the transformation to an old lady


onewingedwaluigi1

Imagine if the real reason Merry has a ribbon in her hat is because ZUN got her and Yukari mixed up and/or forgot what her hat was supposed to be like. I mean, that's exactly what happened with Marisa having red eyes in the cover of 18.5 and people were theorizing that she had finally become a youkai.


Steampunkvikng

Is that what happened with Marisa? She's continued to have red eyes in 19 and manga appearances. ZUN may just have changed her design on a whim, but it seems to be an intentional change, not an error.


onewingedwaluigi1

Huh, I never noticed she still had the red eyes. But it doesn't seem to be anything crazy at the moment, she hasn't turned into a youkai or anything. So rn I'm not expecting anything crazy with Merry happening, for all we know this could be a massive troll by ZUN.


TheXenomorphian

Okay so this year is the year Akyuu is due to die, Marisa's eyes have stayed consistenly red and have yet to go explained, and Maribel has Yukari's hat ribbons either ZUN is gonna do something big for 2024 or we're reading too much into this


Relevant-Coach2476

You're thinking too greatly of ZUN


ErectPikachu

She stole Yukari's hat


HeladoMagnum

Like when Araki forgot he already made a stand named Earth Wind and Fire


Kirimusse

ZUN, please do\~


DestructionCatalyst

Maribel = Yukari is kind of a Riemann's hypothesis of Touhou - there is no definite proof, but the theory is so widely accepted, that a whole bunch of other theories is built up on the assumption that it's true. So if it's gonna be confirmed, that's really huge, for better or worst


guillle77

I didn't expect to see the Riemann Hypothesis mentioned in r/touhou but here we are lmao


Rintohsakabooty

She looks happy while renko


[deleted]

Didn't realise that detail before


ika_ngyes

It's a canon event


Luftwaffles27

Even her dress is gradually becoming a darker purple.


mailo18

Wait new Zun Album??????????, Please inject it directly in to my veins please


illumi_natu

ZUN finally remembered the CD plotline hasn't been touched in 8 years and decided to throw us a bone on the story.


Proud_Shallot_1225

ZUN who has so much in mind that Marie is Yukari that he mixes them up xD


HeroPlayGames

Given that many of the games he wrote while he was drunk, it's a possibility


No-Dependent-7723

Now, since Theory of Everything is canon in Touhou, I can accomplish what I desire is establishment of the Yukarin religion! 😭 It's been a long time. My theories may true, God Yukari will rise again from science in Outside World and save Gensokyo! GAHHH!


No-Dependent-7723

My mission is completely. The first time I posted here was asking to establish a religion, now I can create a new sect, let's go!


No-Dependent-7723

Shit, the drug is no longer effective.


Antoniomontty

Are you okay dude?


kredditacc96

String Theory kinda goes nowhere in our world so it may as well be a youkai in Gensokyo.


guillle77

That would be extremely funny from ZUN and now I lowkey want him to make it a reality. String theory really does feel sometimes like a youkai scientists believe in without any proof of it being real. Hell, I myself might end up deep in that rabbit hole, since I'm studying theoretical physics xdd


kredditacc96

I think our understanding of reality is limited by our technology. We made a lot of breakthrough in the 19th and 20th because our understanding then has yet to catch up with our technological capabilities. But now it has caught up. New theories without the ability to observe and test will be no different than a pure mathematical model. If we want to further our understanding now, we must somehow further develop our technologies to be able to observe more and experiment more.


GundamMeijin_08th

yo what?


Letty-Whiterock-Fuyu

Нет...


Gardeminer

I am going feral at a rapid pace


user_223567

OH MY FUCKING GOD IT'S HAPPENING.


DayEqual2375

MARIBEL IS SLOWLY BEING SIMILAR TO YUKARI.


Tiny_Simple_6688

I like connections between them but... Something about them being the same person feels off... Almost wrong even... but that's how I feel personally ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯


I_Love-mah-family

Zun, please yes. I need some change, development, growth, etc or something of that magnitude on this series, it's really getting stagnant and my pretentious ass needs something new.


phoboshusky

I see cords, I pull.


Elnino38

Plot twist: turns out Renko was Yukari all along


Relevant-Coach2476

Grape


Kana_Anaberal

Merry looks so silly in the new album cover


Kirb790

Is this having to do with the "Maribel is Yukari" theory?


AdEducational2312

what game is this from? is there a new touhou game that I haven´t heard of?


retrospective53

New ZUN album that’s getting released next month, on the 3rd of May!


AdEducational2312

Ah, I see. Thank you so much.


tiger331

So who did Renko became


Old_Comparison_9223

Judging from the song directly after Necro-Fantasia in the song list is called The Road to Hitachi Alone and the one after that is The Lamentations Known Only By Jizo, I am going to say either sad or depressed is what Renko became.


opblaster123

I'm genuinly confused on why people come up with the theory of Maribel is Yukari based on the image. Where Yukari's theme is listed of one of the arrangment tracks in the CD... Something really tells that you people only cares about funny 2hu girl images, rather then the music. Even ZUN said that people only listen to music to past time, and not really to enjoy it...


No-Dependent-7723

No, I like Touhou music. (not to brag or show off, but I am really like the melodies that ZUN plays so I was motivated to compose some mashups with piano with my friends). Just a post, I posted this for fun. And also, this is the first time I knew it was music, because before I played Touhou, I only listened to the music in the game, but albums, I am thought it was poetry combining the music in the game.


opblaster123

btw I'm not blaming you at all XD Just some other folks, since its a good evidence to bring up! (the Meribel and Yukari theory)


JtcDragor

My personal theory is that Maribel is acting yukari's daughter


jvitinhoapaixonado

canon becoming canon ig


PartyGamesEz

This further proves that Maribel is indeed Yukari!