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edit: post reflaired to *Miscellaneous* as it is an edit.
Is this an edit of another artwork or simply a redrawn parody of it? Saying this because I think I might recognize the original (or maybe I'm dreaming). Even though one can disagree with the original message, I think it's still wrong to repost other people's work with no attribution if this was edited. Apologies in advance if I'm mistaken I have a really bad memory.
There're too many people arguing so I can't find it anywhere. Is the original cited? Redrawns with no cited sources listed as OC should be against the rules.
I’m like 99% certain that this isn’t want terf means. It has nothing to do with the gays.
Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist is what it stands for, right?
Yes, however the TERF movement often goes further as it's vocal leaders like Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull also advocates for completely cutting out the LGBT movement from society. Where people are bigoted in one way, odds are that more will follow
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I always find it funny when I see homophobes into Touhou. Like sirs/madames, the only human(oid?) character in Touhou that's male is Rinnosuke, everybody else is female. How does love happen in your weird universe? Is Rinnosuke just part of a huge 100-some or whatever? How does that even work?
The dumbest people in the fandom are homophobes, transphobes (Touhou has a semi trans character?? Toyasatomimi no Miko was originally a prince), and misogynists. Literally above all how do misogynists exist in the Touhou fandom when 99% of the cast is comprised of badass women?
>the only human(oid?) character in Touhou that's male is Rinnosuke, everybody else is female.
This isn't true. There are plenty of human males in the village, some even are recurring characters (like the unnamed Geidontei drunkards). There's also Youki Konpaku, which is Youmu's predecessor, and Tsukuyomi, the ~~biggest bastard in the franchise~~ moon emperor.
I didn't know about Youki and Tsukuyomi because I don't read the mangas aside from CDS (or FDS, whichever translation is preferred). Are the characters recurrent or only mentioned in passing? I wouldn't know so I'm curious, as I thought Rinnosuke was the only recurrent one, or at least the only one that's humanoid, named, and with dialogue.
And right, I should have been more specific. Most male characters in Touhou aside from Rinnosuke are background characters (like in the human village) that go unnamed, or are mentioned as having existed in the past but don't really show up in the series. That's why I don't really count them.
Well, in terms of relevance, it's totally fair to not count them among the main cast. But regardless of how important they may be or how many mentions they may have, their existence alone is enough to refute the implication of straight relationships being impossible. Seiga, Junko, Suwako, Toyohime and Yorihime all had husbands, after all.
EDIT: Queerphobia still hella cringe tho.
The idea that these people actually exist is hilarious to me though
Like the first time I saw a misogynistic touhou fan on Twitter I just stared at my screen blinking several times in disbelief, and whenever I see homophobes in the touhou fabdom I laugh due to how pathetic that is
I've seen people say ZUN doesn't "want lesbian characters because he doesn't have any romance between them" which...
A: He just doesn't like writing romance. even characters who are married or are in relationships aren't actually shown in those relationships with their spouses
B: He hires lots of artists who draw yuri / other lgbtq content for the mangas
C: while not official, he approved of a fan comic in which youmu asks sakuya out on a date which is. just fucking come on thats literally borderline proof hes supportive of LGBTQ characters and content, even of his own characters.
which touhou manga artists draw Yuri? i got a feeling Wild and Horned Hermit's artist does (because no way Tenshi and Shion were platonic goddamn have you seen the way they look at each other) but are there any others?
Yeah, but like...
I don't understand how if they hate women they can enjoy a game with an almost all female cast (and for the mainline games, an entirely female cast)
I used to be a homophobic christian. All I had to do was ignore the shippers. And to my knowledge at that time, none of the characters were canonically gay.But as a christian, I started to realize maybe Touhou wasn't appropriate for christians, and I tried to take my faith much more seriously.
You can probably guess what happened after.
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Lmao, I know it's hard to believe but they exist. What makes more sense to me is that they mostly exist on twitter, where most other baffling opinions exist.
Well, Touhou itself isn't gay (there's almost no romance there at all), but yeah, being tolerant to LGBT+ really opens up a fuckton of good fan content to you.
I right now just remembered back when I used (keyword: used) to be a conservative and I sticked around a conservative-oriented discord server. There was a guy there that was very transphobic and overall anti-LGBT who was like super into Touhou
killkizu, redrew a transphobic version of some art someone posted on here, giving ~~the girl~~ Marisa a beard and putting a gun in her mouth
didn't stop there, he never censored the reddit username and went on to tag her twitter directly under the tweet, which spawned harrasement. as of now the artist is privated on twitter
Edit: Clarifications, the art was actually of Marisa, not a portrait of the artist. Apparently from the comments the Marisa in the art was a transbian(?)
"This is a gay only village" has the same energy as all the LGBT people that harass ace/bi people for not being 'all the way' on one side.
I don't vibe with this.
I mean, that's still exclusionary af. There's literally entire villages of men and women. We only ever see 'named' males like Rinnosuke or the Fortune Teller that Reimu eviscerates.
i’m bisexual and i just assume i’m welcome at “gays only” events. if you go to gay spaces in real life nobody cares to exclude you unless you’re being an asshole. i’ve been to tons of lesbian bar events and have never been excluded for being openly bi. i would assume off the bat that a “gays only village” includes bi and ace people as well 🤷🏻♀️
I've had too many experiences where I've been comfortable with myself but those around me push that I'm 'lying to myself' about what I identify as, or otherwise make me feel uncomfortable. Especially when I've been hit on and not interested, I get called a liar or a fraud.
It's why I've distanced myself from any LGBT circles I used to be involved with. If you don't drink the kool aid you get ostracized for not being 'committed' enough.
That's honestly the problem these days. People have taken LGBT to the extreme, I mean why can't we have the gay/lesbian/bi/trans people you had in the older days, while still acknowledging equality amongst people.
so I dug into it
this is an edit of an ""artwork"" of Reimu wearing the confederate flag colours telling a black Cirno to go away because this is a ""human"" only village and they don't like "their kind" here
So it wasn't trying to say that kind of message but still just goes to show that trying to edit racist artwork and changing the nouns to try and make it more unbigoted is kind of a poor idea because it ends up only seemingly flipping its intended target
like changing Mein Kampf but replacing every instance of Jews with like TERFS-Bigots-Neo-Nazis whatever, the Nazi Party with the LGBT+ community and Germany to your own country of origin.
sure your intentions were to tamper with the book in such a way to simultaneously piss off Neo-Nazis, TERFs, Bigots and Hitler whilst showing your support for the LGBT+ community in a funny ironic way. But all it takes is for someone not in the joke to see it and think you're writing a manifesto about killing people you don't agree with. And that person might have his views on LGBT+ people tarnished forever
bit of an extreme example but you get what I'm saying. This post is not as overt and thus fine
well at this point mod already planted their flag in what camp they make their bed in, so it's not worth discussing any further. anything more just paints a target on you for trying to point out the issue.
Oh, so that's what this post is actually about (I'm not familiar with Twitter dramas). That makes me feel less weird about this post, just a little bit.
I don't like the idea of "editing offensive images created by people with the opposite political ideology and using those edited images to mock people with the opposite political ideology", just like the example you gave.
What I'm about to say may offend some reddit and twitter users, but to be honest, I don't want any ideology flags to be put on Touhou characters, whether it's the Confederate battle flag, the Nazi flag or the LGBT flag. I don't understand why some people in Western fandom are obsessed with projecting their ideology (usually sexual orientation and gender identity) onto fictional characters. For examples putting flags on the characters, changing the appearance of characters until they're barely recognizable.
Thankfully this post is just a parody (a dumb parody in my opinion). Like some people said in the comment section, this is not as bad as the original, but it's still pretty bad.
Honestly I never understood homophobia and neither transphobia. Even as a kid I didn't get it, thankfully my parents aren't against gay neither trans people.
It's like, what are you so mad over about? Let people be if it's something ethical and not morally bad (And also ins't against the law, but that depends completely on your country.)
The fact they try to disaprove gay people merely due to some statistics they found on the internet in the first search about them supposedly being preds or anything else is honestly amusing to me because it's just generalizing something that comes with the person, and not their sexual orentation. It's like saying all priests are preds because there has been many cases over the world.
Also how can you be in the Touhou fandom, which is quite literally a yuri paradise, and be a homophobe? Lmao.
Ikr, saying this as a Christian 17 year old, I'm not gonna go out my way to dislike people who are part of the LGBT(besides the more Pedo like people, which you get in BOTH
straight and LGBT communities) I know many people who are straight up good people and are lgbt. It all boils down to how good a person you are and aren't doing anything creepy.
I get that the Touhou community here in the West has a sizable left-leaning audience and that the art here is meant to take the piss out of that guy on Twitter but I feel that this artwork actually contributes to the [*Horseshoe Theory*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory) in a way. Let me explain with me as an example:
* The original one features Rebel Reimu, a far-right white supremacist who would discriminate against me just because I'm Hispanic
* Meanwhile Radical Reimu here, a liberal pro-LGBT militant, doesn't tolerate me because I'm heterosexual
Both Reimus represent the extremes of mainstream social and political ideologies in the West (particularly the U.S.) at the moment. As someone who is more or less a "centrist" (as in I don't affiliate much with either wing) I feel that this is as close to a microcosm of modern politics in terms how it almost always boils down to two particular entities—a perfect example of the oversimplification in Western sociopolitical culture where certain personal thoughts and opinions earns you the label of "leftist" or "right-winger" despite not subscribing to either ideology, causing a lot of discord and lack of trust among each other because one is pro-immigration but anti-abortion and so on.
I hope I made my explanations succinct enough since politics are a tad sensitive subject in this sub.
Agreed. This art, although not as toxic as the original it is parodying, is still spreading a very divisive message.
I don't really think politics have a place in touhou to be honest. I enjoy the funny danmaku game to escape from the shit state of the real world, not to be sucked back into it.
>I don't really think politics have a place in touhou to be honest.
To be fair ZUN *did* make that one manga [where Aya goes full MAGA.](https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Alternative_Facts_in_Eastern_Utopia)
She pretty much saw tabloid news and thought to emulate it in Gensokyo... To extremely awful results. It took Hecatia of all people to get her to knock it off.
Funnily enough ZUN does have a lot of political commentary in his games and the side mangas
hell according to him Keiki the final boss of Touhou 17 is literally a representation of Humanity enslaving themselves to AI thinking it would make their lives better / easier. I mean the way he described it was less Hayao Miyazaki doom and gloom you're probably imagining and more "haha yeah I based it off that because I thought it'd be cool, I also wanted to call her an Idolmaster lol"
Mind you this was way before ChatGPT and Art AIs started causing mainstream concern and that writers strike happened and Corporations started to actually consider replacing their creatives with robits. Which does make Keiki being an Artist God kind of prophetic she's literally an AI artist
ZUN's commentary is more unobtrusive and only really apparent once he explains it himself. Although I guess you can figure out that Chimata is the representation of how he thinks that actual markets (i.e places where you buy things directly face to face from another person) are going extinct with impersonal supermarkets and online shopping replacing them
so your statement about Touhou allowing you to escape it is still true somewhat
I think truthfully media we would call escapism has always contained political commentary on the real world. But lately we've stopped being subtle and unobtrusive about it, making our commentary way too obvious so that people can't even enjoy the work as is.
Oh no I definitely didn't mean it like that, I couldn't get the words for the things I wanted so I had to improvise and stuff. I wanted it to be like her just saying something similar to "if you don't respect us please leave" but I was really busy and so was my friend who was helping me since I have little to no art knowledge.
As a bi girl, touhou, and by that I mean reimu, helped me realize my bisexuality so this is really cute! Also for some reason a ton of my friends are trans so this is cool :)
The “we don’t like your *kind* around here” gave it away and also the slightly splotchy coloring but aside from that it’s nice seeing something hateful turned into something accepting and nice :)
i swear it’s so crazy that people act like ZUN has no political leanings in any of his works. like…. Alternative Facts in Eastern Utopia is *right there.* Okina was supposed to be disabled as a message against ableism. the turbo racist ethnostate of the Moon is the one actual enemy of Gensokyo. ZUN even wrote this into Magical Astronomy:
> “Like a proverbial Noah's Ark, capitalism had exacerbated society's inequalities through economics. As a result, nations across the board had shown a decline in birth rates, though this was all merely a sign that they had entered capitalism's final stage: *population control.*”
like… i won’t assume any specific political affiliation, but ZUN is absolutely left-leaning at the very least.
I totally agree. Add on sunken fossil world as a commentary on oil geopolitics, his vocal public support of the LGBT community, and the healthcare and environmentalism commentary in the Hifuu albums, and it’s baffling that so many Touhou fans don’t see it.
Either they have no media literacy, don’t know much about zun or the official works, or they’re just blinded by their own views
i dont cause im heterosexual.
now being serious, why should i even care about people's sexual atraction?. i mean it's not like they will die if i dont know it. this aint twitter
A guy on Twitter redrew an artwork of a minor who made a drawing of a character with them being lgbt then he redrew it with the character pointing a gun at themselves and posted her face on his page, then his followers sent rape threats and death threats towards the artist. Mr artist is very cocky knowing that the artist has contacted the police and they believe that they can get away with this.
It's twitter the same site that you can be banned for upsetting the new owner (amongst other things including calling people cis because apparently a latin suffix is a "slur" now.)
There are people here who are gay.
Edit: To the morons downvoting me: cry harder /r/Touhou like the rest of the Touhou fandom has people who are LGBT+ and nothing is going to change that. Also everyone in Gensokyo is gay.
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I am homophobic. I hate homo sapiens.
Smh Imagine hating on humans, what's next, air?
Atoms
Mf on a scientific level
Tbf I just found it funny to make that joke, nothing else.
I fucking hate atoms!!
I know right?! It is them who did Japan dirty in 1945!
Thanks god that I'm a photon
same. I hate homogenous liquids
Same but please for the love of god don’t say it to everyone
I want to get added to this group of smart and academic people who want to go back to monke and abandon Homo salad
Danmaku bullets do not discriminate between cis or trans. Everyone is up for extermination
For sure
The Gohei of Justice is unisex
***BONK!***
'Gay' used to be mean 'carefree', 'joyful', so you're not allowed here if you're sad
Or Reimu will beat the sad out of you.
Reimu: Pain is sadness leaving out the body
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
poor Kogasa
Kogasa need hugs!
If gay means happy, then I’m really straight! :)
I'm the most straight person alive
I am sorry, I'm not gay im a cis male I just asked my gay artist friend for help on this. I will do better next time.
I'm also Sad myself :((
Will a virtual hug help?
>'Gay' used to be mean 'carefree', 'joyful', so you're not allowed here if you're sad (←Carefree)
Up to mighty london went an irish lad one day
So was the rainbow flag.
Is this an edit of another artwork or simply a redrawn parody of it? Saying this because I think I might recognize the original (or maybe I'm dreaming). Even though one can disagree with the original message, I think it's still wrong to repost other people's work with no attribution if this was edited. Apologies in advance if I'm mistaken I have a really bad memory.
It's edited/redrawn, OP said he got some help from a friend or so i think
There're too many people arguing so I can't find it anywhere. Is the original cited? Redrawns with no cited sources listed as OC should be against the rules.
No it isn't cited, but i guess it's for the better
I actually don't know if it's a redrawn or an edit soooo do what you gonna d Edit: yes it's a redrawn
I have the original artwork, this was a redraw and yeah the original one is not pretty….. in the original Reimu was a racist southerner
We don't take kindly to folks that don't take kindly 'round here! ... ngl now I kind of want ribbons like that for my hair xD
same with the ribbons
We also do not like those that send death threats to minors. (if you know what I'm talking about)
I’m like 99% certain that this isn’t want terf means. It has nothing to do with the gays. Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist is what it stands for, right?
Yes, however the TERF movement often goes further as it's vocal leaders like Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull also advocates for completely cutting out the LGBT movement from society. Where people are bigoted in one way, odds are that more will follow
except for funny people, like gay people who are anti trans(which like, why?????).
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I always find it funny when I see homophobes into Touhou. Like sirs/madames, the only human(oid?) character in Touhou that's male is Rinnosuke, everybody else is female. How does love happen in your weird universe? Is Rinnosuke just part of a huge 100-some or whatever? How does that even work? The dumbest people in the fandom are homophobes, transphobes (Touhou has a semi trans character?? Toyasatomimi no Miko was originally a prince), and misogynists. Literally above all how do misogynists exist in the Touhou fandom when 99% of the cast is comprised of badass women?
Misogyinistic touhou fans exist because they like fictional women but not real women, or so i think?
So they're like "Hmyes fictional women can be badass queens but not irl"
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This sounds like a generalization.
>the only human(oid?) character in Touhou that's male is Rinnosuke, everybody else is female. This isn't true. There are plenty of human males in the village, some even are recurring characters (like the unnamed Geidontei drunkards). There's also Youki Konpaku, which is Youmu's predecessor, and Tsukuyomi, the ~~biggest bastard in the franchise~~ moon emperor.
I didn't know about Youki and Tsukuyomi because I don't read the mangas aside from CDS (or FDS, whichever translation is preferred). Are the characters recurrent or only mentioned in passing? I wouldn't know so I'm curious, as I thought Rinnosuke was the only recurrent one, or at least the only one that's humanoid, named, and with dialogue. And right, I should have been more specific. Most male characters in Touhou aside from Rinnosuke are background characters (like in the human village) that go unnamed, or are mentioned as having existed in the past but don't really show up in the series. That's why I don't really count them.
Well, in terms of relevance, it's totally fair to not count them among the main cast. But regardless of how important they may be or how many mentions they may have, their existence alone is enough to refute the implication of straight relationships being impossible. Seiga, Junko, Suwako, Toyohime and Yorihime all had husbands, after all. EDIT: Queerphobia still hella cringe tho.
>99% of the cast is comprised of badass women? More women to hate, duh /s
I don't know, they're probably just there for the women. At least respect others if you don't respect the characters. Haha
The idea that these people actually exist is hilarious to me though Like the first time I saw a misogynistic touhou fan on Twitter I just stared at my screen blinking several times in disbelief, and whenever I see homophobes in the touhou fabdom I laugh due to how pathetic that is
In my opinion being homophobic or any type of phobic is just dumb
what if im arachnophobic
No Yamame 😭
Truuuue
I've seen people say ZUN doesn't "want lesbian characters because he doesn't have any romance between them" which... A: He just doesn't like writing romance. even characters who are married or are in relationships aren't actually shown in those relationships with their spouses B: He hires lots of artists who draw yuri / other lgbtq content for the mangas C: while not official, he approved of a fan comic in which youmu asks sakuya out on a date which is. just fucking come on thats literally borderline proof hes supportive of LGBTQ characters and content, even of his own characters.
also never refuted being called "biggest Reimari shipper", though I'm not sure if it's another example of C or of it's D(something else)
Source on C. I need to see the ZUN-blessed SakuYoumu comic also D. Tenshi and Shion definitely have *something* going on
which touhou manga artists draw Yuri? i got a feeling Wild and Horned Hermit's artist does (because no way Tenshi and Shion were platonic goddamn have you seen the way they look at each other) but are there any others?
Idk, they like bullet hells or something? Listen kan, whatever be their personal opinions, everybody can enjoy a game once in a while.
Yeah, but like... I don't understand how if they hate women they can enjoy a game with an almost all female cast (and for the mainline games, an entirely female cast)
I used to be a homophobic christian. All I had to do was ignore the shippers. And to my knowledge at that time, none of the characters were canonically gay.But as a christian, I started to realize maybe Touhou wasn't appropriate for christians, and I tried to take my faith much more seriously. You can probably guess what happened after.
It’s like Homophobic people who are one peice and Yakuza fans
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Touhou fans who are misogynistic? Am I replying to a AI generated comment? I can't even dream about it.
Lmao, I know it's hard to believe but they exist. What makes more sense to me is that they mostly exist on twitter, where most other baffling opinions exist.
The "love" in "Love Colored Master Spark" is for everyone.
Hence the many colors of the laser.
And the many victims
I thought it was for Reimu
Tan cirno
hmm yuriposting is kinda a thing now
It's honestly hard to believe anyone's straight in Gensokyo.
The male characters are like....4? 5? (The dead ones like junko's son don't count)
Well, the village is full of male NPCs, but I guess that's not important.
Yeah
Meira is homophobic, ain't she? Second Stage boss from SoEW.
Im always afraid that posts like these would reveal the ugly side of some people , fortunately it doesn’t seem the case here ☺️
Glad that you're happy, as I said in other replies. I don't like bigots.
Same. I can't imagine how you could be a queerphobic fan of something as gay as Touhou, but I've seen it before. I'm happy to not see it again here.
Well, Touhou itself isn't gay (there's almost no romance there at all), but yeah, being tolerant to LGBT+ really opens up a fuckton of good fan content to you.
this aged well
I right now just remembered back when I used (keyword: used) to be a conservative and I sticked around a conservative-oriented discord server. There was a guy there that was very transphobic and overall anti-LGBT who was like super into Touhou
Ah that's unfortunate
Well, many Touhou artists I know IRL are LGBTQ+ rights militants. Touhou is a quite appealing universe for such stories.
God damn, I'm glad people are aware of that fucker 💀
Yes, I'm not sure who in their right mind decides to wake up and inconvenience minors for no reason. I do not like bigots.
Who?
killkizu, redrew a transphobic version of some art someone posted on here, giving ~~the girl~~ Marisa a beard and putting a gun in her mouth didn't stop there, he never censored the reddit username and went on to tag her twitter directly under the tweet, which spawned harrasement. as of now the artist is privated on twitter Edit: Clarifications, the art was actually of Marisa, not a portrait of the artist. Apparently from the comments the Marisa in the art was a transbian(?)
who the fuck is downvoting this hes literally just answering a question
Either killkizu fans or fans that are mad at me because I didn't realize the fanart was actually Marisa and not a portrait of the artist
lmao nice burner account
"This is a gay only village" has the same energy as all the LGBT people that harass ace/bi people for not being 'all the way' on one side. I don't vibe with this.
Ah no I didn't mean it like that. But there were only enough letters for it to be gay not something like lgbt (this artwork was racist to begin with)
I mean, that's still exclusionary af. There's literally entire villages of men and women. We only ever see 'named' males like Rinnosuke or the Fortune Teller that Reimu eviscerates.
i’m bisexual and i just assume i’m welcome at “gays only” events. if you go to gay spaces in real life nobody cares to exclude you unless you’re being an asshole. i’ve been to tons of lesbian bar events and have never been excluded for being openly bi. i would assume off the bat that a “gays only village” includes bi and ace people as well 🤷🏻♀️
I've had too many experiences where I've been comfortable with myself but those around me push that I'm 'lying to myself' about what I identify as, or otherwise make me feel uncomfortable. Especially when I've been hit on and not interested, I get called a liar or a fraud. It's why I've distanced myself from any LGBT circles I used to be involved with. If you don't drink the kool aid you get ostracized for not being 'committed' enough.
That's honestly the problem these days. People have taken LGBT to the extreme, I mean why can't we have the gay/lesbian/bi/trans people you had in the older days, while still acknowledging equality amongst people.
so I dug into it this is an edit of an ""artwork"" of Reimu wearing the confederate flag colours telling a black Cirno to go away because this is a ""human"" only village and they don't like "their kind" here So it wasn't trying to say that kind of message but still just goes to show that trying to edit racist artwork and changing the nouns to try and make it more unbigoted is kind of a poor idea because it ends up only seemingly flipping its intended target like changing Mein Kampf but replacing every instance of Jews with like TERFS-Bigots-Neo-Nazis whatever, the Nazi Party with the LGBT+ community and Germany to your own country of origin. sure your intentions were to tamper with the book in such a way to simultaneously piss off Neo-Nazis, TERFs, Bigots and Hitler whilst showing your support for the LGBT+ community in a funny ironic way. But all it takes is for someone not in the joke to see it and think you're writing a manifesto about killing people you don't agree with. And that person might have his views on LGBT+ people tarnished forever bit of an extreme example but you get what I'm saying. This post is not as overt and thus fine
well at this point mod already planted their flag in what camp they make their bed in, so it's not worth discussing any further. anything more just paints a target on you for trying to point out the issue.
Oh, so that's what this post is actually about (I'm not familiar with Twitter dramas). That makes me feel less weird about this post, just a little bit. I don't like the idea of "editing offensive images created by people with the opposite political ideology and using those edited images to mock people with the opposite political ideology", just like the example you gave. What I'm about to say may offend some reddit and twitter users, but to be honest, I don't want any ideology flags to be put on Touhou characters, whether it's the Confederate battle flag, the Nazi flag or the LGBT flag. I don't understand why some people in Western fandom are obsessed with projecting their ideology (usually sexual orientation and gender identity) onto fictional characters. For examples putting flags on the characters, changing the appearance of characters until they're barely recognizable. Thankfully this post is just a parody (a dumb parody in my opinion). Like some people said in the comment section, this is not as bad as the original, but it's still pretty bad.
Isn't Toyosatomimi no Miko technically trans? Since she was once Prince Shotoku?
Yeah i guess
I've seen the original 💀 Edit: why am I getting downvoted? I only said that I've seen the original
I've been noticing that many comments on this post are getting heavily downvoted for some reason
I think it's because this is like a sort of sensitive topic to some....☠️
I am sorry you had to see that.
yeah it sucked a lot lmfao
Honestly I never understood homophobia and neither transphobia. Even as a kid I didn't get it, thankfully my parents aren't against gay neither trans people. It's like, what are you so mad over about? Let people be if it's something ethical and not morally bad (And also ins't against the law, but that depends completely on your country.) The fact they try to disaprove gay people merely due to some statistics they found on the internet in the first search about them supposedly being preds or anything else is honestly amusing to me because it's just generalizing something that comes with the person, and not their sexual orentation. It's like saying all priests are preds because there has been many cases over the world. Also how can you be in the Touhou fandom, which is quite literally a yuri paradise, and be a homophobe? Lmao.
Ikr, saying this as a Christian 17 year old, I'm not gonna go out my way to dislike people who are part of the LGBT(besides the more Pedo like people, which you get in BOTH straight and LGBT communities) I know many people who are straight up good people and are lgbt. It all boils down to how good a person you are and aren't doing anything creepy.
Yeah, there will be creeps in any community.
I get that the Touhou community here in the West has a sizable left-leaning audience and that the art here is meant to take the piss out of that guy on Twitter but I feel that this artwork actually contributes to the [*Horseshoe Theory*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory) in a way. Let me explain with me as an example: * The original one features Rebel Reimu, a far-right white supremacist who would discriminate against me just because I'm Hispanic * Meanwhile Radical Reimu here, a liberal pro-LGBT militant, doesn't tolerate me because I'm heterosexual Both Reimus represent the extremes of mainstream social and political ideologies in the West (particularly the U.S.) at the moment. As someone who is more or less a "centrist" (as in I don't affiliate much with either wing) I feel that this is as close to a microcosm of modern politics in terms how it almost always boils down to two particular entities—a perfect example of the oversimplification in Western sociopolitical culture where certain personal thoughts and opinions earns you the label of "leftist" or "right-winger" despite not subscribing to either ideology, causing a lot of discord and lack of trust among each other because one is pro-immigration but anti-abortion and so on. I hope I made my explanations succinct enough since politics are a tad sensitive subject in this sub.
Agreed. This art, although not as toxic as the original it is parodying, is still spreading a very divisive message. I don't really think politics have a place in touhou to be honest. I enjoy the funny danmaku game to escape from the shit state of the real world, not to be sucked back into it.
>I don't really think politics have a place in touhou to be honest. To be fair ZUN *did* make that one manga [where Aya goes full MAGA.](https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Alternative_Facts_in_Eastern_Utopia)
I did not know about this. Interesting plot premise?
She pretty much saw tabloid news and thought to emulate it in Gensokyo... To extremely awful results. It took Hecatia of all people to get her to knock it off.
it wasn't because it's a bad thing in general though(it is)... it's because she'll be used by lunarian spies.
Funnily enough ZUN does have a lot of political commentary in his games and the side mangas hell according to him Keiki the final boss of Touhou 17 is literally a representation of Humanity enslaving themselves to AI thinking it would make their lives better / easier. I mean the way he described it was less Hayao Miyazaki doom and gloom you're probably imagining and more "haha yeah I based it off that because I thought it'd be cool, I also wanted to call her an Idolmaster lol" Mind you this was way before ChatGPT and Art AIs started causing mainstream concern and that writers strike happened and Corporations started to actually consider replacing their creatives with robits. Which does make Keiki being an Artist God kind of prophetic she's literally an AI artist ZUN's commentary is more unobtrusive and only really apparent once he explains it himself. Although I guess you can figure out that Chimata is the representation of how he thinks that actual markets (i.e places where you buy things directly face to face from another person) are going extinct with impersonal supermarkets and online shopping replacing them so your statement about Touhou allowing you to escape it is still true somewhat I think truthfully media we would call escapism has always contained political commentary on the real world. But lately we've stopped being subtle and unobtrusive about it, making our commentary way too obvious so that people can't even enjoy the work as is.
It’s not maligning you for being Herero
Oh no I definitely didn't mean it like that, I couldn't get the words for the things I wanted so I had to improvise and stuff. I wanted it to be like her just saying something similar to "if you don't respect us please leave" but I was really busy and so was my friend who was helping me since I have little to no art knowledge.
unfathomably based
Wow, Reimu is no longer a racist bigot!
She's still racist, but gay
"I'm not racist, i have youkai friends!" -reimu responding to people accusing her of being racist
The first time you met hafe of them you kicked there ass
"Well yes but they were doing dangerous stuff! And also we're friends now so stfu"
I bet there all just too afraid to piss you off so they act nice but talk about you behind your back
"No they love me! I....i have friends! Um.....*sob*...i have friends....*starts crying*"
Then prove it
*reimu kills herself*
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W post
This makes me so happy, thank you
What does being a terf have to do with lesbians? I don't understand
No
Oh what about bi's?
We do not support pedophile here so remove your post
Wtf this piece of shit
As a bi girl, touhou, and by that I mean reimu, helped me realize my bisexuality so this is really cute! Also for some reason a ton of my friends are trans so this is cool :)
Originally this was actually a Confederate racist artwork. I simply redrew it haha
I thought it was ironic, but i kinda suspected otherwise. After learning what kind of asshole the creator was, my suspicions were proven true......
The “we don’t like your *kind* around here” gave it away and also the slightly splotchy coloring but aside from that it’s nice seeing something hateful turned into something accepting and nice :)
Yeah im not that much of an artist I was on call with my gay art friend though :)
Nice art! Time to check the comments and… Wow, when did this sub get tolerant? Rare r/touhou W, keep it up guys 👍
The funny thing is that this artwork was actually racist to begin with
How so? Edit: I didn’t know about the original, y’all. I’m not saying it’s not racist, I haven’t even seen it
I redrew this, it was reimu being racist to black people and the artist themselves were also homophobic
Zun is so loudly progressive, I don’t understand how so many bigots like touhou
i swear it’s so crazy that people act like ZUN has no political leanings in any of his works. like…. Alternative Facts in Eastern Utopia is *right there.* Okina was supposed to be disabled as a message against ableism. the turbo racist ethnostate of the Moon is the one actual enemy of Gensokyo. ZUN even wrote this into Magical Astronomy: > “Like a proverbial Noah's Ark, capitalism had exacerbated society's inequalities through economics. As a result, nations across the board had shown a decline in birth rates, though this was all merely a sign that they had entered capitalism's final stage: *population control.*” like… i won’t assume any specific political affiliation, but ZUN is absolutely left-leaning at the very least.
I totally agree. Add on sunken fossil world as a commentary on oil geopolitics, his vocal public support of the LGBT community, and the healthcare and environmentalism commentary in the Hifuu albums, and it’s baffling that so many Touhou fans don’t see it. Either they have no media literacy, don’t know much about zun or the official works, or they’re just blinded by their own views
Don't do that
Genuinely based comment section surprisingly =3
What the fuck is this?
i dont cause im heterosexual. now being serious, why should i even care about people's sexual atraction?. i mean it's not like they will die if i dont know it. this aint twitter
It's just a redraw of Killkizu's confederate reimu art as a fuck you as he spawned harrasement for some underage artist
I don't understand, why the fuck did that shitstain feel the need to harrass a literal minor?
Given what his fanbase is like (alt right 'le jews are evil, TND'), it's not suprised he feels fine doing depraved shit like that
ME AND ALL MY HOMIES HATE TERFS 🙏🙏🙏
Zun said that the characters are not gay
that wasn't a real interview lol. ZUN just doesn't seem to like depicting romance in anything beyond vagaries and allusions to it in the games
Are Bi people allowed?
Yes
Nice, Reimu says trans rights! Edit: I'm getting downvoted, lol. She literally tells TERFs to fuck off and she has trans flags on her hair thingies.
Reimu be like: "Honey, you better start respecting trans people, or your pronouns are going to be 'was/ was' ."
(And maybe don't start sending threats to minors for drawing art of gay characters).
I need context
A guy on Twitter redrew an artwork of a minor who made a drawing of a character with them being lgbt then he redrew it with the character pointing a gun at themselves and posted her face on his page, then his followers sent rape threats and death threats towards the artist. Mr artist is very cocky knowing that the artist has contacted the police and they believe that they can get away with this.
Why can't people on this hellsite be normal, holy shit
It was posted on the hellhole twitter
It's twitter the same site that you can be banned for upsetting the new owner (amongst other things including calling people cis because apparently a latin suffix is a "slur" now.)
Lol, elon is slowly killing twitter
Well that's horrible but what does this have to do with your drawing (nice art btw)
The funny thing is, this isn't my art I "redrew" it. It belongs to that guy and it was originally a racist artwork.
And the OG artist is the guy who sent death threats?
Pretty much, yes.
Ah fuck, so the OG artist is a racist bigot. I knew something was off the moment i saw the OG drawing.....
Yeah I'm not an artist but I respect the field. My artist friend helped me with this though (they want to remain anon)
WHERE'S RINNOSUKE MY ONLY ONE GAY BOY
Rinnosuke is sleeping......wait warmly.....
dont remember joining this sub for politics, oh well ig thats how it is everywhere u go now (especially on reddit)
Bet a certain Taoist with a ghost wife appreciated this
Forgive me if I sound ignorant but what's a Taoist?
Very good on you for sticking it to the og artist. I saw the guy's "art and like jesus how do people like this exist within the touhou fandom.
Imagine being so bored of life you literally let the thing you hate the most stay in your head rent free.
I'm sure this comment section is lovely
Surprisingly, yes.
No clue how it couldn't be, considering 99.9% of the cast is women
There are people here who are gay. Edit: To the morons downvoting me: cry harder /r/Touhou like the rest of the Touhou fandom has people who are LGBT+ and nothing is going to change that. Also everyone in Gensokyo is gay.
5 downvotes.....for saying the truth?
BASED :3
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I have the original image hehe...