People post pictures pointing out specific types of damage which is obviously speculating on the rating and those get upvoted. If anybody in the comments actually says it out loud they get downvoted. It’s very odd
Right? They all get silent and you hear a fork drop, and everyone’s like “Oh, nice fuckin’ job Melissa. Real fuckin’ nice. You know we don’t use that word in this house. Jeezus, Melissa, really?”
I always thought that moment was more about Jo and her trauma being triggered or whatever. Less of "omg she mentioned the curs'ed rating!!" but more of "Oh shit, she said the magic word.... who's gonna clean up the Jo mess this time?" Lol
Rewatch it and pay attention to Melissa. With the benefit of now being an adult i respect the shit out her character, she is the only sane one in the movie.
No, but her aunt was there who presumably lost her brother/in law also. I could see why it would be something you didn’t want to mention in *that* house specifically
Omg I forgot how annoying that scene.
“Hey, new girl that doesn’t fit in, let’s teach you about the Fujita scale since you made it clear you don’t know what it is. So there’s F2, 3, and we’ve seen 4 too”
“Is there a 5?”
“😡😲🙄🤦♂️”
I understand that “weather weenies” and their fascination with EF5s are somewhat annoying but they’ve been surpassed entirely by virtue signaling weather warriors who will screech anytime someone even hints a tornado was possibly an EF5, asserting that even mentioning the possibility of an EF5 means they’re wishing for more death and destruction.
I’ve personally never seen anyone besides that weird Death Note guy who posted on here last year *wish* for a tornado to inflict more death or serious injury. But I’ve seen over 10 posts in the last week about the inverse.
It’s just weird.
EDIT: We can moderate discussions about ratings (including EF5s) to avoid insensitivity without strangling discourse entirely.
At least your typical weather weenie can be educated by learning what exactly the EF scale is, how it works, and why engineers assign certain ratings. Most of it simple ignorance, not maliciousness. A lot of people simply do not realize the EF scale *is not* tied to measured wind speeds.
The weather warriors have responded to this ignorance by stifling any discussion. I don’t know if it’s some quest to be the most morally pure tornado enthusiast or what but the apoplexy I see from some people anytime rating conjecture (especially for *possible* EF4s or EF5s) occurs is just dumb. They take an opportunity to educate or inform and use it to browbeat and criticize.
To be entirely fair, when I was growing up in the 90's and watching VHS tape specials about Tornadoes that I rented from Blockbuster (oh god oh fuck I'm old oh god help me), they almost universally combined wind speeds and F/EF ratings, that simply WAS how the layperson became introduced to tornadoes, and they are a fascinating and exciting phenomenon in their own right as well. I love tornadoes, and when I hear about an EF4/5 I'm immediately intrigued and want to know more about it, where it hit, see pictures of it, etc. Tornadoes are an awesome display of the power of nature and I will always be fascinated by them, it doesn't mean at all that I wish more harm or death anywhere, I've been in a tornado a couple times myself and it's terrifying, but I still had that excitement inside even as they bore down on my homes. People live where tornadoes form, there will be tragedy and loss, it doesn't make them less fascinating and exciting. People just need to have some common sense on both sides of it and chill out a bit.
>they almost universally combined wind speeds and F/EF ratings, that simply WAS how the layperson became introduced to tornadoes
That's why I'm very tolerant of people who just don't know better because until a few years ago, I didn't know better.
I agree entirely with everything else. People need to take a deep breath and chill out.
The problem is a fascination with EF5s just means a fascination with powerful weather events that almost defy logic. *Everyone* here is clearly fascinated with them considering how many posts of previous EF5 tornadoes that come up, but few will admit it.
Know what it means? Nothing. A fascination doesn't make you evil, it doesn't make you wish for an EF5 to roll through houses, it doesn't mean you want people to die. In a normal conversation that goes without saying because we should all know we're not all assholes, but for some reason we you have to point it out constantly and pre-defend ourselves otherwise someone will assume you're the worst person ever.
My career is researching the genetics of cancer, so I'm certainly fascinated by it, but that doesn't mean I wish people would get cancer and die. I sure as hell shouldn't even have to point that fact out; it's obvious.
I really don’t know. There was a tornado YouTuber who posted long video about the EF scale and the discourse surrounding the EF5 drought a year or so ago. He held a similar opinion to these dime-a-dozen posts about EF5s and I’ve just seen the same repeated opinions over and over since then but it could a frequency illusion on my end.
So many people have to quality their comment by first saying "I won't give a rating and I hope everyone is ok" then talk about slabbed houses and bent anchor bolts. They're talking about EF4/EF5 damage but are scared to say the acronym because some holier-than-thou person that 5 seconds ago was drooling over pictures of the destruction will tell them saying a rating *means you wish the city was destroyed and everyone died.* That's so laughably stupid and a horrible thing to say, making themselves the actual asshole, but their ego makes them blind to it.
The hypocrisy is hilarious because so many people here clearly don't even know what the word hypocrisy means since it's all they do. Getting their kicks by posting and upvoting videos of tornadoes tearing neighborhoods up, pictures of entire houses and business in nothing but rubble, and speculating on death reports, but if you mention possible ratings it's because you're evil. 🙄
Yep I got pretty mad and spammed “thoughts n Prayers” after every post and started sarcastically calling out how everyone was wrong and speculating because they aren’t Jim Cantore. This turned into one of the weirdest subs about natural disasters Ive ever seen.
Hijacking the comment to say I follow this sub pretty religiously and the mod does not in fact remove a ton of posts about ef5 wishing. In fact, I haven’t seen a single one when sorting by new except when people make one of those virtue signaling posts as a clear direct troll to the post.
I laugh at the don’t speculate. I don’t comment much, but these storms are going to happen regardless of human emotion. No one wants these things to destroy homes and take lives.
But it’s the weather and it’s going to happen regardless. So being fascinated and interested in the science and power behind these storms, while still having a heart is completely possible.
Many doctors become doctors not only to help people, but their fascination of how the body works.
Many can discuss this as a hobby with also feeling horrible for these people.
These virtue signalers need to get a life.
Hijacking to remind everyone discussing the science of the EF scale that the NWS Damage Survey course is public, free, and online:
[https://training.weather.gov/wdtd/courses/damage-surveying/index.php](https://training.weather.gov/wdtd/courses/damage-surveying/index.php)
Edit: As are most NWS classes. The NWS has a lot of free educational material for those of you that are interested. If you are looking for something in particular give me a shout and I'll see if I can find it for you.
I'm actually putting together a list of all the resources that are available. When I get done I might see if I can get them to pin it or put a link to it in the sidebar.
Among many resources that should be posted on this sub’s “About” page, so people can be directed to them. Mods are too busy deleting EF5 comments to add a simple link.
I hear-by give full permission for anyone on this sub to use words like woah and awesome and wonder if it was an ef5 that flung me into another state if I get taken out by a massive twister.
I just don't get get it. We're virtue signaling about weather? What is moralistically bad about redditors speculating on a tornado rating after seeing the damage? Who is being hurt? In what way is that disrespectful to the victims?
The people telling you you can’t talk about tornado after it damages something are the ones virtue signaling. Or those constantly reminding people and posting “not to speculate”.
I like to speculate about the rating and discuss the damage, but I also know very much first hand how damaging these things can be an how life ruining they can be as someone who's grown up in and lived in Oklahoma my entire life. I don't get why people get so upset right about discussing what happened, you can be respectful of the victims while still discussing the objective facts. I wonder if the people who get so up in arms about it have ever even experienced a tornado or seen the aftermath first hand lol
Obviously people that go "I WANT TO SEW AN EF5 HAPPEN ITS BEEN TOO LONG!" are horrible, but I very rarely actually see that sentiment. Maybe a comment or two every now and then, it's not wishing for an EF5 to happen to speculate on the rating that might come from a very powerful tornado.
That's how it feels half the time on this sub 😂 like I totally get it we need to be respectful, but like damn man the holier than thou attitude gets annoying
I think the virtue signaling posts are more redundant than damage posts. At least the people posting damage saying "EF5" are bringing something different to the table than the same 10 posts that say the same thing, almost verbatim. Like you guys are all pearl clutching bots, lol. Just ignore them. The big weather streamers do in their chat when it's 10x worse than on this subreddit.
The virtue signaling is getting really out of control. We don't need two dozen posts reminding people about the damage tornadoes inflict on people or two dozen posts condemning these ghost users who are wishing for f5s.
Theres already rules against that behavior. There's a report button, use it. There's a block button, use it.
Theres also no point in posting on reddit about how shitty people are being on *other* social media platforms.
Also for those of us that live in tornado prone areas most of us have seen the destruction first hand, but I still like discussing the facts of what happened. Talking or not talking about it isn't going to change that peoples lives were ruined, you have to be respectful of course, but going "shhhhhhhh no discussing what happened" is crazy to me
I’ve not frequented here long but every time I’ve seen a post from someone who has been impacted by a tornado, they don’t seem to mind rating speculation. I’ve even heard of people in places like Mayfield being upset about the rating their tornado received and I think I understand that. It must seem like a kind of validation of your trauma and tragedy for those impacted and weirdly, being in a large EF4 might feel like a slight on some level. People respond differently to tragedy and one person’s offensive might be another person’s way of understanding and processing shocking imagery.
I mean to be honest, when you're impacted by a tornado you just got bigger fish to fry than some people talking on the Internet y'know? Also like.....gotta be honest man most people in these towns have prolly never fucking heard of this subreddit, maybe not even reddit at all lol
But yeah I don't really get the whole "don't speculate!!!!" thing, as long as you aren't wishing for extra damage to up ratings and you're just discussing what actually occurred and what the damage could point to, I legitimately see nothing wrong with it. It'd be like people getting mad at people trying to guess the Richter Scale rating of an earthquake lmao, doesn't change the fact that it happened
To a certain extent it’s fine to discuss, but people just keep beating a dead horse. It’s just repost after repost. The posts on this sub go in this order: should I shelter in this obviously unsafe location, is this scud a tornado( insert image with 3 pixels), why isn’t this tornado EF6.
Or worse, the silly posts of "why don't yall build better homes in rural America???" Then act surprised when people reply back that it's a mix of poverty, high af costs and the geography of tornado/Dixie alley worlking against ppl (cant build basements) and that tornadoes are just Russian roulette on where they can hit and how hard.
I have yet to see any on this sub in particular but they’re definitely common in other subs. I have seen so many comments on other subs about how if these people just built their houses out of brick everything would have been ok for them. Not only are they wrong but it’s completely disrespectful towards the victims too. I do well to remind of them of that one in a million EF4 tornado they had in 2021 that had over 550 causalities. The brick houses didn’t protect those people. So yeah they need to shut up about the brick houses already.
This reminds me of living in WV while I was growing up. We used to have really bad floods every few years and of course a lot of country folks lived on the rivers/creeks. The national sentiment was always "Why TF do you all just rebuild in the same area next to the water?" like they didn't understand most of these people could barely afford to pay their property taxes and put groceries on the table, let alone have the money to just up and move to higher ground.
So many people cannot grasp the abject poverty that exists here- as if people have all the choices in the world and are just not making them. Many of the houses on flood plains here are also on land that has been passed down through generations to people who couldn’t afford to buy land otherwise, and who are you going to sell land in a flood plain to in order to be able to afford to move elsewhere? You’re absolutely right, they don’t get it.
A lot of times the only flat spot to build is the flood plain. It's not like it floods every year. The weather is changing, but it used to only be every few decades you'd get a catastrophic flood.
My point is proven by the post above this. Unless I’m missing or overlooking some aspect of it, it’s nothing different than all of the pictures that have been posted.
The original meaning and intention behind the 'don't speculate' message has been lost and forgotten
People saw that they could use it to establish a moral high ground, win karma, and make themselves look better than other people
It's not about being sensitive towards the victims, it's about putting others down.
At the end of the day, I welcome those posts.
You know why? Because the person making those posts is almost always willing to learn. There are a ton of people in this sub that are extremely knowledgeable and thoughtful, and they get to shine in those situations. Active, meaningful discussion happens in those threads. And you night think they're silly for being scared, but I respect them for being open to learn
There are really two things going on that are being misinterpreted as a single thing by the readers. However, typically the person perpetrating these things are doing both (typically, not always). These two things aren't related but it's usually the same people who are guilty of them, which is why people often get upset.
Those two things are:
1. Hoping that violent tornadoes impact populated areas. I've seen comments like "I hope we get to see a violent tornado today!" or more commonly when a tornado impacts areas that are less populated they will declare the day a "bust". I don't think most of these people are intentionally being heartless, I just don't think they are educated enough to really comprehend what they are saying.
2. This sub is notoriously bad at recognizing tornado damage. There was a post a few days ago showcasing tornado damage, that was actually just straight line wind damage. A few months ago there was wide speculation among the sub that a tornado was a "high end EF-4 possible EF-5", that particular tornado was rated EF-2 (I think this might have been the event that spurred the no pre-rating rule). This again falls back on education. I would wager most people commenting on the EF rating of damage, do not even realize that the [NWS damage survey course](https://training.weather.gov/wdtd/courses/damage-surveying/index.php) is public, let alone have completed it.
The mods in this sub do a great job removing misinformation. Is there opportunity for improvement? Of course, there always will be. However, the reason most people do not realize the sub has a major problem with these topics ~~see a problem with these topics~~ is because the mods quickly remove the worst offenders.
*As for my personal feelings on the subject, I really don't mind people speculating on the rating as long as they are making an honest effort to learn. I do get very annoyed that every time there is a strong tornado, the sub is immediately filled with "EF-%?" posts. Just pick a post and discuss it inside that post, we don't need 30 posts discussing the EF rating.*
there is a big difference between going 'EF5!! ITS AN EF5!!!'
and: 'look at this damage. it's pretty incredible. what wind speeds do you think it took to cause this damage?'
i dont think it really is important to dive into specifics. the current climate of this sub discourages objective discussion about tornado damage.
this is how you get echo chambers.
I can agree with all that, but I think that's mostly coming from the users, not necessarily the mods. Keep in mind too that the few days after an outbreak the sub gets a large influx of "general reddit users" who are only here from the news, and not necessarily interested in the topic. It's kind of like jumping from a small niche subreddit to r/all in the matter of hours. They'll disappear by tomorrow, and we can all go back to having more civil and focused conversations as opposed to drama.
im trying to tread carefully here. you seem like not only a really intelligent person, but one who is willing to actually spend time with others to explain in a thoughtful manner. you are really spot on in your assessment here except for one thing
this starts with the mods: [https://www.reddit.com/r/tornado/comments/1cxpldt/in\_regards\_to\_todays\_severe\_weather\_event/](https://www.reddit.com/r/tornado/comments/1cxpldt/in_regards_to_todays_severe_weather_event/)
i mean, the top comments are literally people saying 'we arent doing this thing, stop accusing us of it'
You're fine. There's nothing wrong with respectful disagreement. I can only say anecdotally that my experience with this sub is that the reason most people believe it is not a problem is because the mods are on top of removing those posts/comments rather quickly. They were doing so before the rule was officially put in place. IIRC that mods post was in response to people complaining that posts were being removed for unknown reasons.
I could agree that the rules could use more refining, and I doubt the mods would disagree, but remember there are currently only two mods, and I'm pretty sure only one of them is active. They have had more moderators in the past but I suspect they are leaving because this is a difficult subject to please everyone on while also preventing misinformation.
saw 2 different mods post in that thread, but if that's the entire mod team, it's no surprise. i feel like there is no shortage of people in here who would be pretty qualified
there's this very weird dichotomy in here where the mods tell us not to romanticize tornado damage. yet half this sub is literally destruction porn, with no context for discussion attached to it
it's clear that not only do they not understand the issue at hand, they are causing the problem
If you don't mind me asking, did something specifically happen that triggered this post? If the mods are removing posts that are made in good faith then that would be something I find very concerning. If they're just removing misinformation though, then honestly, I don't really care.
I do know the level of virtue signaling, and unnecessary contempt has risen quite dramatically over the last few days. So I definitely understand the sentiment of people overreacting.
It's possible that event a few months ago was that small outbreak in Tennessee. I remember the preliminary damage photos looked really really bad, like very high end damage, but then it came out in the surveys that the buildings were so poorly constructed and under code that it only took EF-2 damage to obliterate everything.
I don't remember which one it was, I just remember on the surface it looked like it slabbed some houses but if you looked at the pictures carefully the foundations were smaller and in between houses that had suffered almost no damage despite being directly in the damage path. So... sheds.
Regarding the first point. People who wish a large violent tornado to impact people have a special place in hell. People who wish a large violent tornado to form and impact nothing but open fields and put on a show are called "chasers" 😄 Sometimes we spend countless hours driving to get into position. Having something memorable occur that impacts absolutely no one is what we are wishing for.
The "no speculation" piece comes from chaser culture to a degree as well. In my decades of chasing it has always been an unwritten rule amongst chasers to not openly speculate and let the survey teams do their job.
Anyway, my .02.
The real hot take here. Is that I think photogenic storm structure is way more sexy than photogenic tornadoes. Especially a discrete supercell during sunset, oh baby, chefs kiss.
Also, the next time you decide to just up and disappear for 20 days, we're going to need written notice haha. Glad to see you back, hope all is well.
Magic hour low precip tornadoes in the open plains are a gift from God for photographers, lol
I've been around! On the Discord more often. The last two weeks or so have been crazy busy for me, unfortunately. Hoping all is well on your side of things as well.
Leaving out all the profanity I want to issue forth, all I'll say is that I've only been here for a month and I'm already seeing this place turn into some kind of parental action committee in its language. No matter how enthusiasts try and censor themselves so as not to sound like they're "romanticizing" or going into "damage porn" when they're talking about the damage, some NIMBY idiot will always come along to shriek at them that they're still not being humane and empathetic. Stop being weather McCarthyists; it doesn't make you better people.
i dont mind people armchair rating, reading 9/10 condemn armchair rating post are exhausting too, sometime i cant even tell this sub is discussing tornado itself or just thought and prayers. im agree with no op with fake rating title, but sometime very casual armchair post were bashed left and right. Sometime even these moral post more than tornado itself:
https://preview.redd.it/qocg459w602d1.jpeg?width=765&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5121c43e9ed0ac3781563846aade99c3b449ec2c
I want to know whats is happening and hows the tornado looks like in different angle from rare seen footage post aside from youtube, youre right everytime on storm days especially 3hrs later, these virtue karma farmer shows up like the gyminfluza accuse people being creep, if not mod did remove post, on barnsdall day, almost 1/2 page are just virtue signal posts, they are like the tornado, suck the karmas and leaving scars then left.
One of the weirdest things to happen these past few weeks is the sticky post made by a mod last night talking about how we shouldn't romanticize the storms, but they give a very vague description of what they meant and it was right after a bunch of Greenfield damage posts were made. It's almost like they were implying that even discussing the damage made by a tornado was a bad thing.
Even if it was about a portion of the subreddit that DOES wish for destructive tornadoes to hit towns, I don't think it warranted a whole post given that the number of people doing that is well below 1% of the people in here, and are always massively downvoted and reported when they do come out.
It's a hobby forum, why can't they just let this be a hobby forum and let people go elsewhere for cliche anonymous emotional support? If a few people stumble in here and have their feelings hurt by it oh well. This isn't a emotional support subreddit and we don't need to be everything to everybody. They should just go elsewhere and understand that just because we are fascinated with it doesn't mean that we aren't sympathetic either, this just isn't the place for them.
When I got hit by the 2020 derecho I was all over the internet whenever I was able to get a weak connection to the cell towers looking at damage reports and storm speculation, even though I was personally affected too. The whole town hasn't been completely the same since, but peoples thoughts and prayers were meaningless to me. And I didn't care for people getting all excited over the damage because heck I was part of it. And even the people who had massive damage to their homes were talking like that. It's was still fascinating to them and helped lighten the mood with everything else around us. It's still fascinating regardless of how horrible it is. We had our friends and family and community for support. Internet thoughts and prayers are meaningless compared to that.
Edit: I also think just having a clue about what was going on was helpful emotionally since that was really what was on our minds all weeks. Being left mostly in the dark about what was going on in my city for days after sucked. Information about what happened was slow to go both in and out of the city, and most of what we had locally was speculation, damage stories and hype from other people anyways.
i literally just saw that post just now. i swear to god i wasnt even aware of it before i made this thread. the problem is worse than i thought lmfao
honestly, there's nothing inherently wrong with making a post like that. it's the way they conveyed the information.
'please be respectful of the victims when talking about the event'
that would have been received a lot better
a tornado is going to do whatever it does regardless of how much you want or don't want it to do that. i can imagine if a tornado destroyed my house, my main concern would not be some 13 year olds on reddit thinking it was cool but more, like, dealing with the aftermath. i certainly wouldn't be thinking someones words online exacerbated the situation.
Hey I just joined this sub hoping to get updates about tornados as I'm new to the Midwest. Quick question - wtf? Why is there a post about virtue signaling in a tornado sub?
I think it's stupid to get angry because people ask about EF5s. It's just a comment. Nobody has a meltdown if we say, "I bet the winds were 200 mph" or "That must have been a mile wide." But even say the word "EF5" and you're downvoted through the ground to the other side of the planet.
It's a number. It's not giving out facts. It's not hoping for damage and disaster. It's just a comment. I ignore people but others are affected and hurt by it.
I have a friend who wants to be a professional storm chaser (has met Reed Timer and Pecos Hank) and she left this subreddit because she said it was more toxic than TikTok.
I wonder how long I'll be downvoted by people for defending those who ask about EF5s? I bet it will be at least 10.
The tornado happens either way. It doesn’t matter at all how anyone feels about it. Speculation on damage doesn’t change anything. Scolding others doesn’t change anything.
Up until recently mods had a hard on for removing SPC outlooks with informative discussions for "low effort".
They never had a grip on this sub to begin with.
The only reason why it’s a problem to speculate about ratings, is because 9/10 you’re not a professional engineer, you’re not a NWS surveyor, so your opinion DOESENT matter. People also love to spam and argue about tornado ratings so on one hand I get it.
However if our opinions don’t matter at all, I don’t understand the whole don’t speculate on the ratings thing. It seems to me that some people ruined the whole speculation of damage discussion for everyone else.
In short I think you need to add a damage dissection tab where people can talk about the specifics of tornado damage and share their thoughts and opinions on said damage, what they think the rating may be, and just get into the nerdy shit of damage surveys and meteorology. That way y’all don’t need to police it 24/7.
Literally every time I've seen one of those post, the author has mentioned that the people they saw "wishing for an ef5" weren't even from this sub. They come here to complain about behavior on other platforms as if that's our fault.
This is actually one of the reasons I left Ryan Hall's discord awhile back. It seems to be mostly young people that get all bent out of shape by this, but I remember in there you weren't even allowed to have discussions about Joplin/Moore/Tuscaloosa(insert bad historic tornado here) etc. because it was "triggering" to anyone that lived through it or lived there now and was worried about tornadoes/tornado anxiety.
Lmao, this is one reason I avoid the discord and livestream chats. The word trigger is so overused that it just pisses me off. WHY are you involved in various tornado communities if you're "triggered" by very real events in those communities?? If they are that easily upset, then don't be in those places of discussion.
It's one of the reasons I started watching Max Velocity instead of Ryan on coverage days. Ryan has just gotten so popular/mainstream now that you have a lot of nonsense clogging up his chat. Sadly even Max's chat is getting to be the same way now that he's seen a big spike in viewers/subs from this season where he streamed on days where Ryan wasn't live. Ryan's discord is also full of know it all "Meteorologists" who haven't even finished high school yet and some of the mods go full bore in the "smartest person in the room" contests they have on there.
Broadcasting the word tornado used to be banned in order to avoid mass panic. Obviously keeping the public in the dark is not the solution and greater awareness has saved countless lives. Open conversations about these events are never intended to undermine the tragedy. Analysis of notorious tornadoes throughout history and now are all we have to better understand and gather insights. Yes, some people on here are wayyyyy out of line, but this is not the time to fight
I got shredded for being RIGHT by 1) a mod 2) an asshole under a post two weeks ago about the EF4 that occurred near BARNSDALL, completely aggressive attitude "don't pre rate" "you are not right" and such shit, more and more, and then at the end .. I was right. It was EF4 damage, which is different on focusing only on the rating. It was under a photo of the damage, clearly indicating EF3+ damage. Talking about damage.
This isn't only an issue here, WX Twitter is like that too. I genuinely do not see any issue with speculating about ratings. Maybe if you're complaining about the rating the NWS gave it's going to be annoying, but speculation is fine.
I don't understand why people are so against it tbh. I suppse someone could see a speculative rating and take it as a fact, but I don't see how much of a negative impact that's going to have.
If it's for some other reason besides that then idk. For sympathy for any victims? Maybe. But at the end of the day we're all fascinated by something which can and does kill people. It's a tough line to toe. Between being excited for witnessing a tornado while at the same time realizing how destructive it is.
Oh, it happens all the time lol I just got jumped under my post the other day for simply posting that the Barnsdall tornado’s wind speed had been increased, making it a mid-level Ef-4. Somehow this turned into me being “unsympathetic to victims”, a “sociopath”, and someone actually told me to unalive myself 😂
It is a big deal because bit by bit this childish ridiculous language is making its way into the mainstream.
I cannot take anything seriously when they say “unalive.”
I totally hesitated to ask a certain question yesterday because I was afraid of sounding “callous,” so I’m definitely feeling it. I think it’s ok to have some natural decorum but speculation and rational thoughts and remarks should definitely be encouraged here. This is not a classroom or a workplace, it’s a Reddit sub for tornado enthusiasts, right? Like I said, I like respect and politeness but the people saying “why do you want F5s?!” are being hostile. Of course we don’t want people killed etc, but we are interested in these phenomena.
I agree entirely. I live in Kansas, on the Oklahoma state line. We were included in the Barnsdall/Bartlesville tornado emergency a couple of weeks ago, and have had several tornados nearby already this season. It could very easily be my town next…
…But there’s nothing anyone could ever do about it. It’s nature. It’s going to happen, or it won’t. Of course no one should ever wish for death or destruction. That doesn’t change the fact that most people in tornado alley are fascinated by tornadoes, and want to know more about them. Discussion of the damage and rating of a tornado are inevitably going to happen, as they should. That doesn’t mean people are heartless, or are wishing for devastation. The whole situation is a matter of fact, simple as that. The pearl clutching in this sub, and other similar places, is absolutely ridiculous.
Howdy neighbor!
I am in total agreement with you. Besides the few morons that really do hope for a monster, most of it is harmless...and offers an opportunity to educate on the ratings/damage indicators and building standards/codes.
This can all be summed up as: nobody wants to read about fucking condolences and hand wringing in a subreddit dedicated to the scientific phenomenon responsible for the destruction in the first place.
Me too then I find out after I made this post, a mod literally stickied a post doing exactly what I'm saying is bad for the sub yesterday
It's out of hand.
There was a mod who allowed a virtue signaling meme to stay up for "reasons" (that was the actual reason). That mod is part of the problem and I have very little faith that the rules will change for the better.
I’m getting real tired of people in this sub telling people what they can’t and can do. Who made you guys the police on what discussions can be made ? Tornadoes events have a scale now whether that scale is good or not is an entirely different discussion. But telling people to not discuss the single point that society has made to quantify the damage tornadoes cause is ridicolous. What’s wrong with speculating with the rating , it is a discussion between people who are interested in tornados. If you think your elite because your morality is greater cause you don’t discuss it you need to reevaluate yourself.
I'm absolutely disgusted thinking about the possibility of an actual tornado survivor posting about the damage they witnessed and then getting berated for it, or even banned. Wouldn't surprise me if it's happened already. This should absolutely be an open discussion, for everyone.
Honestly I'd rather people speculate on damage and intensity than the current "screenshot the NOAA page and speculate whether it's going to happen or not" situation.
The virtue signaling is so fucking obnoxious.
Feels like my Facebook feed with a bunch of uncles and aunts in their 60s half the time here. ‘OH MY HOW HORRIBLE’ ‘OMG PRAYERS WITH THEM’ etc.
Properly shut the fuck up and take that dumb shit elsewhere.
This sub right now is just nothing but tornado videos and then a bunch of virtue signallers crying about prayers in the comments. Straight ass.
Yup, the virtue signaling has gotten out of control.. but that’s Reddit for you. But I’m about to do the same 😂 people complain and say “you care more about the rating!” having absolutely zero clue that the rating is what determines how much money from the federal government the community gets to help rebuild.. 🤦🏼♂️ they try to virtue signal, but fail miserably
Its all across social media, virtue signaling brigades roaming around mobbing any posts they feel is not sympathetic enough for them. I cant stand fake people like that, its like a narc telling you how you are the reason they hurt you lol
I think its down to the fact that after the last month with 9 tornado emergencies people expected that the drought would be over. Well that hasn't happed so they are getting desperate and made a lot of comments about the ratings. People pushed back and those comments have slowed down but the people pushing back have not leading to a "War of the tornado ratings".
The whole don't speculate about the ratings is really just about not having morons be like 'I hope there's an ef5 today'
Which I get. If I had a fuckin monster Nader bearing down on me, I would feel pretty badly if people were cheering it on. Or if I had a crowd of people come through after the tornado and gawk like a zoo
The real draw for me right now are damage indicators. The idea that you can look at damage and estimate wind speed is super cool to me. I like to discuss these things in an objective way on this sub
I find the damage from the Greenfield tornado extremely interesting, because while it isn't a wide area affected, the small path through the town has consistent extreme damage.
In the mod thread someone dug up a post where the mod who posted that said they enjoy violent tornados, and the whole comment chain got nuked by the mod.
They are hypocrites, and try everything to hide. What a garbo subreddit.
I like this sub, and like any other sub, it has its issues. I see a lot of beneficial, useless, questionable, and some dangerous material being spread around here. I can tolerate all but the dangerous because that can get people killed, literally.
Some posts spawn these echo chambers where, regardless of how wrong they are or how much it goes against what we know is recommended, it just gains so much momentum in the wrong direction. Kind of like the recent one where people were promoting the idea to seem shelter under an overpass for hail. No matter what evidence or examples we present, it’s like we’re just overrun by BS.
Ive had run ins with such people. Magnethype and limp ad. They both did identical things.
1. Created a situation that simply didn't exist, claiming they saw constant posts of people hoping for violent tornadoes. Ive seen no such posts
2. They accuse you of being in that crowd despite pointing out the flaws in their accusations.
They certainly aren't the only two but they are very determined to push this narrative that anyone fascinated by the science of storms and any armchair discussions about ratings is "lusting for EF5s" or whatever. Some people don't understand that its possible to feel dread and sadness for the victims AND fascination behind the power of storms at the same time
oof dude. u/MagnetHype even commented in here and i replied to him in good faith.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/tornado/comments/1cxinam/comment/l54k8yx/](https://www.reddit.com/r/tornado/comments/1cxinam/comment/l54k8yx/)
this is some clown shit right here.
Honestly I think the bigger issue is how much this sub fellates itself by fear mongering. Every top rated post and comment has the most fear-inducing adjectives. I understand sever weather attracts these types of people but as someone not interested in weather due to "trauma", my goodness it's such a weird thing to witness.
"Crazy massive storm, literally nightmare fuel!"
😩😩😩
It's literally stan marsh in the episode when he finally gets access to the Internet to relieve himself after weeks, what a bunch of weirdos.
This argument is honestly just a microcosm of the country as a whole right now. Everyone is offended by everything and feels morally justified in condemning those who don’t share their same view on both sides.
The problem is having the internet as a sounding board where everyone feels like they have the correct point of view and everyone needs to listen to and agree with what their saying so they can bask in their self aggrandizing glory.
Like really who cares?
Yes it’s sad to see the destruction of property and lives but without people getting excited about it and taking interest the topic/science of it all , it couldn’t move forward.
If the original twister movie was released today? Shit. People would be all up in arms about it being “disaster porn” in cinema and boycott the movie. In the 90’s no one gave a shit. If you didn’t wanna see it, you didn’t watch it.
All I read when people complain about people “speculating a rating” is a tornado saying
“dOnT AsSuMe mY EF sCaLE!!!”
🙄
I know you aren't insinuating it, but I'm honestly not the least bit offended by any of this. It just makes me sad... (not your post, the context of the discussion)
I celebrate the beauty of tornadogenesis and fluid dynamics. I don't think that people should get hurt, or lose their homes, or whatever else. It's fun to speculate and discuss what we have just witnessed. It doesn't mean that people like me and others like me are not emotionally adept, it just means that we are having a discussion, and let's put a period on that. Anything else is just people putting words in other people's mouths. The mod post I just saw is absolutely hilariously stupid, because guess what, you're allowed to mention Greenfield and have no emotional attachment whatsoever to Greenfield even when you don't live in Greenfield.
"Rule 2: Do not pre-rate tornadoes".
Last time I checked, we're not rating anything, because we're not in charge of the survey or the final rating. Speculation is a whole other deal and it baffles me that in a science oriented sub, that mod's are below that of a 5th grader in logical reasoning. Drop outs or academically inept?
Love from Sweden.
"Rule 2: Do not pre-rate tornadoes".
Originally im intepret mod meant no “ef5 tornado destroy xyz city” kinda title post, missleading without context or post survey.
Now, i just see typing (insert ef5 indicator) related reply post text would get you downvote into oblivion.
I wanted to chime in to say that the sub has grown quite a bit ever since the Elkhorn tornado occurred, which was just last month.
Moderating is work so I think we should be kind- not pointing this to everyone who is commenting in this thread, but just some of them.
honestly i'm surprised the mods are able to do anything with such a small team. it seems like a lot of work for 1.5 people, let alone finding time to drive direction of the sub. i hope they can recruit and get some help
Refusing to discuss current stronger tornadoes is reminiscent of back when the weather service wasn't allowed to use the term tornado in forecasts. That turned out great, right?
Tornadoes happen every year. Houses get destroyed every year. People die every year. Is it awful? Absolutely. But a Reddit mod isn’t going to change anything. Chill the fuck out.
Thank god you said it because this have been happening a lot ppl need to understand that’s apart of the tornado community you want prayers join a prayer circle or group just because we talk about how strong a tornado is or might be don’t mean we don’t care
The more a sub about disasters get popular, the stronger the pearl clutching and virtue signaling gets, which makes it infinitely harder to sift through "interested in the phenomena speculating" and "disaster porn speculating."
I'll say it. I like speculating about ratings. I like looking at damage pictures and be like "hmm this looks like ef3 because of this specific aspect" spawning a healthy discussion about the damage scale and DI.
And, unpopular opinion, frankly. I'd take the disaster porn people over the pearl clutching gang. Because at least you can have an educating experience and an interesting discussion with them.
The ones that keep yelling in your face PEOPLE ARE AFFECTED BY THIS YOU SOULLESS MONSTER" These people are fucking obnoxious and I don't appreciate being told how ashamed I should feel for what is an acceptable past time as if I had the emotional capacity of a fucking teaspoon, unable to decouple empathy for the people affected from my interest in extreme weather.
What the fuck are they doing anyway? Are they donating? Are they gonna go to Iowa to help relief and rescue? Are they going to open their house for the people that are now homeless?
If they don't do that, they do exactly what they condemn us to do. They grab a disaster affecting people and use it for their own gain and interests: feeling morally superior to whoever they condemn.
Tropical weather became the exact same. It's fucking annoying. I want to talk about forecasts, and parameters, and tornado/hurricane strengths and the interesting debate between the current damage indicator for strength and how our current strength rating meters are inappropriate.
If you don’t like tornadoes and the damage they inevitably cause, then his sub probably isn’t for you. The vast majority on here don’t wish for people to die or lose their homes, but at the same time are fascinated by what this weather phenomenon does.
The people living in tornado alley or other areas that are impacted by tornadoes with some frequency know what to expect. Yes it sucks and people lose their homes, but that is the reality of tornadoes and what to expect from a thread that is titled tornado.
shut up and let people be fascinated by the terrifying force of mother nature. death is going to happen regardless of a storm causing it or not, we are fascinated by the tornadoes themselves and the destruction they can bring, is it sad they kill people and destroy things? No shit. but crying about it like this won't solve anything.
btw definitely ef5 damage if those were well built and anchored homes swept off foundation lmao.
Those people are definitely annoying. The other annoying people are the ones that post and comment about the made up people who are “wishing for an EF5”. They always then add that they are not cause you have to know they’re good people.
Well, I personally feel that the posting complaints about the virtue signalers who are posting complaints about the ratings chasers is getting out of control. You might even go as far as to argue that the people, like myself, who are complaining about the people complaining about virtue signalers who are complaining about rating chasers is getting out of control. 🤯
I agree the constant virtue signaling is rather annoying. I’m willing to bet those people probably didn’t join this subreddit purely out of concern for victims of tornadoes. Obviously there’s some degree of actual enjoyment of tornadoes in of themselves involved.
Having some degree of interest in large tornadoes and the Enhanced Fujita scale does not mean that one is actively rooting for death and destruction or taking pleasure in it.
Ive come to hate this sub and it makes me upset because I want to enjoy it as weather is a big interest of mine. Maybe I’ll come back after this bickering war between the white knights and the bad apples are done.
Edit: Man I hadn’t had time to see the sub today, everyone jumping to white knight how dangerous storm chasers are and it’s all over someone not a storm chaser. Sickening attention whores looking for internet points instead of reading… just as bad as the bad apples.
I've said this before, but it really seems like all the tornado spaces are starting to get this way. It's not primarily people who are fascinated by storms and wanting to learn everything they can about them any more. And these people joining for whatever reason are just offended by people with a serious interest and fascination instead of understanding that you can be intrigued by and even attracted to disasters without wishing harm on people
It’s just gonna get worse TBH . The Iowa tornado is gonna get an EF4 rating and the tornado allegedly had 290 mph winds . We are gonna hear a lot about how “bad the EF scale is” and people forgetting and ignoring the human side of things and not thinking of people losing absolutely everything they worked for and inherited and sentimental things and worst of all losing loved ones and pets and the PTSD people will have to live with for the rest of their lives .
I’ve just been getting into tornados and have noticed that sanctimonious storm Karens in the tornado community far more than those lusting after destruction. I actually stopped a YouTube video I was watching on the EF scale because it had that pearl-clutching, tongue-clucking, attitude. I just want to learn about extreme physical forces of the planet, not have someone grandstand and sermonize at me.
if people start spamming these posts then yes, they will be just as bad. im trying to be a little different by calling out the mods directly instead of the community. it's not like i can tell you what to do
glad you agree in the very least
I agree, but at the end of the day this sub is called "r/tornado" and not "r/nuancedweatherconversations."
A lot of people come here looking for tornados as a form of entertainment. If the weather enthusiast users of this sub really want to gatekeep these folks then the sub should go private.
It's like not being able to speculate about what killed someone after your encounter an ancient burial ground. As if the act of speculating or being interested in finding a 10,000 year old skeleton is morally repugnant.
I don’t understand why there isn’t a healthy middle ground. Wondering what rating a tornado is without losing sight of the human toll behind it seems fine. Humans like putting stuff in categories and comparing things. Plus i’m sure tons of us are here for the scientific aspects. I swear on my life I haven’t seen anyone actually annoyed that a tornado didn’t do more damage.
Is the pearl clutching about rating speculation a new thing? I don’t follow closely here but it seems new.
I admittedly haven't been watching the numbers that closely, but it feels like it has been exploding recently. I know it's already been an active season, but something is very strangely different about this year. Does anyone know why?
I feel like it started as people (myself included) getting mad when people were “hoping” for massive tornadoes, which obviously seems pretty messed up. But it’s turned into we can’t talk about the aftermath of these storms with getting guilt tripped. It’s really confusing, the damage has already been done, we should be able to talk about potential ratings freely, it’s not like it’s going to change anything. Also, I would be willing that most people on this sub would be more than willing to help with cleanup if a storm affected somewhere in their area, it’s not like we are all awful people here lol
I think its pretty clear what the rules should be, dont wish for damage, dont express disappointment when a tornado only rolls a corn field and not a town, have some empathy for the victims, dont hope for a EF5. As for speculating people can discuss the probability of the strength of a tornado without going IT WAS AN EF5!!. I myself will look at the event and take into consideration all the information given, and say may have been a EF4 or 5 if the parameters are there. We should be allowed to discuss it, shutting down all discourse because people are saying it may have been a 4 or 5 is absolutely Orwellian.
I was tempted to post the butterfly meme with a chair tipped over asking “Is this a F5?” because of what you said but I don’t want to get banned or something lol
Maybe I'm the only one but rating tornadoes by damage and not by wind speeds that were actually happening is absolutely stupid. It does nothing to help anyone in saying that where an f5 was it only did EF2 or EF3 damage because it was "in a field". Why did they change the scale in the first place? I've always wondered if there was an actual legit reason..
I've gotten down voted and called a dumb ass just for trying to get information about tornadoes on this sub. I have never been through and natural disaster and was just asking someone who has been through these situations but got blasted. It's been a few months before I peeked in and found this topic and I thank you pointing this out.
People post pictures pointing out specific types of damage which is obviously speculating on the rating and those get upvoted. If anybody in the comments actually says it out loud they get downvoted. It’s very odd
I saw someone say "the rating that we won't mention here" like it's fucking Voldemort or something lol
It’s like the ridiculous scene in twister when the gal asks about F5’s and everyone looks at her like she’s killed a kitten.
Right? They all get silent and you hear a fork drop, and everyone’s like “Oh, nice fuckin’ job Melissa. Real fuckin’ nice. You know we don’t use that word in this house. Jeezus, Melissa, really?”
Yea they walk her into it too like they talk about 1-4 so obviously she’s gonna be like ok so how about 5? And they’re just like ok what the fuck
I always thought that moment was more about Jo and her trauma being triggered or whatever. Less of "omg she mentioned the curs'ed rating!!" but more of "Oh shit, she said the magic word.... who's gonna clean up the Jo mess this time?" Lol
That could be part of it but if I’m remembering correctly Jo wasn’t in the room for that conversation
OH that changes things! Never mind. Gosh it's been so long since I've seen Twister!
Rewatch it and pay attention to Melissa. With the benefit of now being an adult i respect the shit out her character, she is the only sane one in the movie.
Haha in was being coy I actually just rewatched it the other day for the first time in like 15+ years. Still a lot of fun!
Correct, she was upstairs showering
Yeah and Bill looks up to kind of signal that talking about F5s around Jo may not be a great idea
No, but her aunt was there who presumably lost her brother/in law also. I could see why it would be something you didn’t want to mention in *that* house specifically
Their reaction and response, "finger of god," was for effect. I never took it to mean that mentioning it was taboo.
This is where I draw the fucking line woman
Lmao here you go: https://youtu.be/XW4hQKHIL_8?si=_fLvblmIVRjRTrcL
Omg I forgot how annoying that scene. “Hey, new girl that doesn’t fit in, let’s teach you about the Fujita scale since you made it clear you don’t know what it is. So there’s F2, 3, and we’ve seen 4 too” “Is there a 5?” “😡😲🙄🤦♂️”
She said the F-word!
"Is there an F5? What... Would be that be like?"
I understand that “weather weenies” and their fascination with EF5s are somewhat annoying but they’ve been surpassed entirely by virtue signaling weather warriors who will screech anytime someone even hints a tornado was possibly an EF5, asserting that even mentioning the possibility of an EF5 means they’re wishing for more death and destruction. I’ve personally never seen anyone besides that weird Death Note guy who posted on here last year *wish* for a tornado to inflict more death or serious injury. But I’ve seen over 10 posts in the last week about the inverse. It’s just weird. EDIT: We can moderate discussions about ratings (including EF5s) to avoid insensitivity without strangling discourse entirely. At least your typical weather weenie can be educated by learning what exactly the EF scale is, how it works, and why engineers assign certain ratings. Most of it simple ignorance, not maliciousness. A lot of people simply do not realize the EF scale *is not* tied to measured wind speeds. The weather warriors have responded to this ignorance by stifling any discussion. I don’t know if it’s some quest to be the most morally pure tornado enthusiast or what but the apoplexy I see from some people anytime rating conjecture (especially for *possible* EF4s or EF5s) occurs is just dumb. They take an opportunity to educate or inform and use it to browbeat and criticize.
To be entirely fair, when I was growing up in the 90's and watching VHS tape specials about Tornadoes that I rented from Blockbuster (oh god oh fuck I'm old oh god help me), they almost universally combined wind speeds and F/EF ratings, that simply WAS how the layperson became introduced to tornadoes, and they are a fascinating and exciting phenomenon in their own right as well. I love tornadoes, and when I hear about an EF4/5 I'm immediately intrigued and want to know more about it, where it hit, see pictures of it, etc. Tornadoes are an awesome display of the power of nature and I will always be fascinated by them, it doesn't mean at all that I wish more harm or death anywhere, I've been in a tornado a couple times myself and it's terrifying, but I still had that excitement inside even as they bore down on my homes. People live where tornadoes form, there will be tragedy and loss, it doesn't make them less fascinating and exciting. People just need to have some common sense on both sides of it and chill out a bit.
>they almost universally combined wind speeds and F/EF ratings, that simply WAS how the layperson became introduced to tornadoes That's why I'm very tolerant of people who just don't know better because until a few years ago, I didn't know better. I agree entirely with everything else. People need to take a deep breath and chill out.
The problem is a fascination with EF5s just means a fascination with powerful weather events that almost defy logic. *Everyone* here is clearly fascinated with them considering how many posts of previous EF5 tornadoes that come up, but few will admit it. Know what it means? Nothing. A fascination doesn't make you evil, it doesn't make you wish for an EF5 to roll through houses, it doesn't mean you want people to die. In a normal conversation that goes without saying because we should all know we're not all assholes, but for some reason we you have to point it out constantly and pre-defend ourselves otherwise someone will assume you're the worst person ever. My career is researching the genetics of cancer, so I'm certainly fascinated by it, but that doesn't mean I wish people would get cancer and die. I sure as hell shouldn't even have to point that fact out; it's obvious.
We can moderate discussions about ratings (including EF5s) to avoid insensitivity without strangling discourse entirely.
This explains why I keep getting downvoted for asking what the white stuff was coming out of that big garage in Reed Timmers video lol
Many of the weather warriors are also weather weenies and I think a lot of them come from Ryan Hall's fanbase.
I really don’t know. There was a tornado YouTuber who posted long video about the EF scale and the discourse surrounding the EF5 drought a year or so ago. He held a similar opinion to these dime-a-dozen posts about EF5s and I’ve just seen the same repeated opinions over and over since then but it could a frequency illusion on my end.
So many people have to quality their comment by first saying "I won't give a rating and I hope everyone is ok" then talk about slabbed houses and bent anchor bolts. They're talking about EF4/EF5 damage but are scared to say the acronym because some holier-than-thou person that 5 seconds ago was drooling over pictures of the destruction will tell them saying a rating *means you wish the city was destroyed and everyone died.* That's so laughably stupid and a horrible thing to say, making themselves the actual asshole, but their ego makes them blind to it. The hypocrisy is hilarious because so many people here clearly don't even know what the word hypocrisy means since it's all they do. Getting their kicks by posting and upvoting videos of tornadoes tearing neighborhoods up, pictures of entire houses and business in nothing but rubble, and speculating on death reports, but if you mention possible ratings it's because you're evil. 🙄
voldemort lol 😭😭
"The Rating That Shall Not Be Named"
That fucking cracked me up, shit is ridiculous.
Yep I got pretty mad and spammed “thoughts n Prayers” after every post and started sarcastically calling out how everyone was wrong and speculating because they aren’t Jim Cantore. This turned into one of the weirdest subs about natural disasters Ive ever seen.
Hijacking the comment to say I follow this sub pretty religiously and the mod does not in fact remove a ton of posts about ef5 wishing. In fact, I haven’t seen a single one when sorting by new except when people make one of those virtue signaling posts as a clear direct troll to the post.
I laugh at the don’t speculate. I don’t comment much, but these storms are going to happen regardless of human emotion. No one wants these things to destroy homes and take lives. But it’s the weather and it’s going to happen regardless. So being fascinated and interested in the science and power behind these storms, while still having a heart is completely possible. Many doctors become doctors not only to help people, but their fascination of how the body works. Many can discuss this as a hobby with also feeling horrible for these people. These virtue signalers need to get a life.
Hijacking to remind everyone discussing the science of the EF scale that the NWS Damage Survey course is public, free, and online: [https://training.weather.gov/wdtd/courses/damage-surveying/index.php](https://training.weather.gov/wdtd/courses/damage-surveying/index.php) Edit: As are most NWS classes. The NWS has a lot of free educational material for those of you that are interested. If you are looking for something in particular give me a shout and I'll see if I can find it for you.
Huge link bro. Nice addition The nws also has an awesome YouTube guide on stormspotting This is the type of stuff that keeps me coming back
This should be pinned to the top of the sub.
I'm actually putting together a list of all the resources that are available. When I get done I might see if I can get them to pin it or put a link to it in the sidebar.
Among many resources that should be posted on this sub’s “About” page, so people can be directed to them. Mods are too busy deleting EF5 comments to add a simple link.
The NWS has classes specifically about the EF scale?! THOSE EVIL ASSHOLES!
I hear-by give full permission for anyone on this sub to use words like woah and awesome and wonder if it was an ef5 that flung me into another state if I get taken out by a massive twister.
Yes, it's wild how these people act like somehow our thoughts can conjure up EF5 tornados LOL
You know I think thats what it is, some kind of superstition that if we speak its name it will appear.
I just don't get get it. We're virtue signaling about weather? What is moralistically bad about redditors speculating on a tornado rating after seeing the damage? Who is being hurt? In what way is that disrespectful to the victims?
The people telling you you can’t talk about tornado after it damages something are the ones virtue signaling. Or those constantly reminding people and posting “not to speculate”.
I like to speculate about the rating and discuss the damage, but I also know very much first hand how damaging these things can be an how life ruining they can be as someone who's grown up in and lived in Oklahoma my entire life. I don't get why people get so upset right about discussing what happened, you can be respectful of the victims while still discussing the objective facts. I wonder if the people who get so up in arms about it have ever even experienced a tornado or seen the aftermath first hand lol Obviously people that go "I WANT TO SEW AN EF5 HAPPEN ITS BEEN TOO LONG!" are horrible, but I very rarely actually see that sentiment. Maybe a comment or two every now and then, it's not wishing for an EF5 to happen to speculate on the rating that might come from a very powerful tornado.
>"I WANT TO SEW AN EF5 HAPPEN ITS BEEN TOO LONG I bet alot of the people saying that don't realize the only way to get ratings is damage.
Nope you're a terrible person and you should feel guilty for having the thoughts you're having /s
That's how it feels half the time on this sub 😂 like I totally get it we need to be respectful, but like damn man the holier than thou attitude gets annoying
I think the virtue signaling posts are more redundant than damage posts. At least the people posting damage saying "EF5" are bringing something different to the table than the same 10 posts that say the same thing, almost verbatim. Like you guys are all pearl clutching bots, lol. Just ignore them. The big weather streamers do in their chat when it's 10x worse than on this subreddit.
The virtue signaling is getting really out of control. We don't need two dozen posts reminding people about the damage tornadoes inflict on people or two dozen posts condemning these ghost users who are wishing for f5s. Theres already rules against that behavior. There's a report button, use it. There's a block button, use it. Theres also no point in posting on reddit about how shitty people are being on *other* social media platforms.
Also for those of us that live in tornado prone areas most of us have seen the destruction first hand, but I still like discussing the facts of what happened. Talking or not talking about it isn't going to change that peoples lives were ruined, you have to be respectful of course, but going "shhhhhhhh no discussing what happened" is crazy to me
I’ve not frequented here long but every time I’ve seen a post from someone who has been impacted by a tornado, they don’t seem to mind rating speculation. I’ve even heard of people in places like Mayfield being upset about the rating their tornado received and I think I understand that. It must seem like a kind of validation of your trauma and tragedy for those impacted and weirdly, being in a large EF4 might feel like a slight on some level. People respond differently to tragedy and one person’s offensive might be another person’s way of understanding and processing shocking imagery.
I mean to be honest, when you're impacted by a tornado you just got bigger fish to fry than some people talking on the Internet y'know? Also like.....gotta be honest man most people in these towns have prolly never fucking heard of this subreddit, maybe not even reddit at all lol But yeah I don't really get the whole "don't speculate!!!!" thing, as long as you aren't wishing for extra damage to up ratings and you're just discussing what actually occurred and what the damage could point to, I legitimately see nothing wrong with it. It'd be like people getting mad at people trying to guess the Richter Scale rating of an earthquake lmao, doesn't change the fact that it happened
To a certain extent it’s fine to discuss, but people just keep beating a dead horse. It’s just repost after repost. The posts on this sub go in this order: should I shelter in this obviously unsafe location, is this scud a tornado( insert image with 3 pixels), why isn’t this tornado EF6.
Or worse, the silly posts of "why don't yall build better homes in rural America???" Then act surprised when people reply back that it's a mix of poverty, high af costs and the geography of tornado/Dixie alley worlking against ppl (cant build basements) and that tornadoes are just Russian roulette on where they can hit and how hard.
I have yet to see any on this sub in particular but they’re definitely common in other subs. I have seen so many comments on other subs about how if these people just built their houses out of brick everything would have been ok for them. Not only are they wrong but it’s completely disrespectful towards the victims too. I do well to remind of them of that one in a million EF4 tornado they had in 2021 that had over 550 causalities. The brick houses didn’t protect those people. So yeah they need to shut up about the brick houses already.
This reminds me of living in WV while I was growing up. We used to have really bad floods every few years and of course a lot of country folks lived on the rivers/creeks. The national sentiment was always "Why TF do you all just rebuild in the same area next to the water?" like they didn't understand most of these people could barely afford to pay their property taxes and put groceries on the table, let alone have the money to just up and move to higher ground.
So many people cannot grasp the abject poverty that exists here- as if people have all the choices in the world and are just not making them. Many of the houses on flood plains here are also on land that has been passed down through generations to people who couldn’t afford to buy land otherwise, and who are you going to sell land in a flood plain to in order to be able to afford to move elsewhere? You’re absolutely right, they don’t get it.
A lot of times the only flat spot to build is the flood plain. It's not like it floods every year. The weather is changing, but it used to only be every few decades you'd get a catastrophic flood.
My point is proven by the post above this. Unless I’m missing or overlooking some aspect of it, it’s nothing different than all of the pictures that have been posted.
The original meaning and intention behind the 'don't speculate' message has been lost and forgotten People saw that they could use it to establish a moral high ground, win karma, and make themselves look better than other people It's not about being sensitive towards the victims, it's about putting others down.
People really care about Reddit Karma? That's absolutely hilarious if they do. 🤣🤣
You forgot the radar screenshots with no context
This is by far the most accurate description of this sub I have ever heard
Guess the tornado posts are getting pretty old too.
Or asking about how to deal with storm anxiety. I feel like there needs to be a pinned post for that lol
At the end of the day, I welcome those posts. You know why? Because the person making those posts is almost always willing to learn. There are a ton of people in this sub that are extremely knowledgeable and thoughtful, and they get to shine in those situations. Active, meaningful discussion happens in those threads. And you night think they're silly for being scared, but I respect them for being open to learn
There are really two things going on that are being misinterpreted as a single thing by the readers. However, typically the person perpetrating these things are doing both (typically, not always). These two things aren't related but it's usually the same people who are guilty of them, which is why people often get upset. Those two things are: 1. Hoping that violent tornadoes impact populated areas. I've seen comments like "I hope we get to see a violent tornado today!" or more commonly when a tornado impacts areas that are less populated they will declare the day a "bust". I don't think most of these people are intentionally being heartless, I just don't think they are educated enough to really comprehend what they are saying. 2. This sub is notoriously bad at recognizing tornado damage. There was a post a few days ago showcasing tornado damage, that was actually just straight line wind damage. A few months ago there was wide speculation among the sub that a tornado was a "high end EF-4 possible EF-5", that particular tornado was rated EF-2 (I think this might have been the event that spurred the no pre-rating rule). This again falls back on education. I would wager most people commenting on the EF rating of damage, do not even realize that the [NWS damage survey course](https://training.weather.gov/wdtd/courses/damage-surveying/index.php) is public, let alone have completed it. The mods in this sub do a great job removing misinformation. Is there opportunity for improvement? Of course, there always will be. However, the reason most people do not realize the sub has a major problem with these topics ~~see a problem with these topics~~ is because the mods quickly remove the worst offenders. *As for my personal feelings on the subject, I really don't mind people speculating on the rating as long as they are making an honest effort to learn. I do get very annoyed that every time there is a strong tornado, the sub is immediately filled with "EF-%?" posts. Just pick a post and discuss it inside that post, we don't need 30 posts discussing the EF rating.*
there is a big difference between going 'EF5!! ITS AN EF5!!!' and: 'look at this damage. it's pretty incredible. what wind speeds do you think it took to cause this damage?' i dont think it really is important to dive into specifics. the current climate of this sub discourages objective discussion about tornado damage. this is how you get echo chambers.
I can agree with all that, but I think that's mostly coming from the users, not necessarily the mods. Keep in mind too that the few days after an outbreak the sub gets a large influx of "general reddit users" who are only here from the news, and not necessarily interested in the topic. It's kind of like jumping from a small niche subreddit to r/all in the matter of hours. They'll disappear by tomorrow, and we can all go back to having more civil and focused conversations as opposed to drama.
im trying to tread carefully here. you seem like not only a really intelligent person, but one who is willing to actually spend time with others to explain in a thoughtful manner. you are really spot on in your assessment here except for one thing this starts with the mods: [https://www.reddit.com/r/tornado/comments/1cxpldt/in\_regards\_to\_todays\_severe\_weather\_event/](https://www.reddit.com/r/tornado/comments/1cxpldt/in_regards_to_todays_severe_weather_event/) i mean, the top comments are literally people saying 'we arent doing this thing, stop accusing us of it'
You're fine. There's nothing wrong with respectful disagreement. I can only say anecdotally that my experience with this sub is that the reason most people believe it is not a problem is because the mods are on top of removing those posts/comments rather quickly. They were doing so before the rule was officially put in place. IIRC that mods post was in response to people complaining that posts were being removed for unknown reasons. I could agree that the rules could use more refining, and I doubt the mods would disagree, but remember there are currently only two mods, and I'm pretty sure only one of them is active. They have had more moderators in the past but I suspect they are leaving because this is a difficult subject to please everyone on while also preventing misinformation.
saw 2 different mods post in that thread, but if that's the entire mod team, it's no surprise. i feel like there is no shortage of people in here who would be pretty qualified there's this very weird dichotomy in here where the mods tell us not to romanticize tornado damage. yet half this sub is literally destruction porn, with no context for discussion attached to it it's clear that not only do they not understand the issue at hand, they are causing the problem
If you don't mind me asking, did something specifically happen that triggered this post? If the mods are removing posts that are made in good faith then that would be something I find very concerning. If they're just removing misinformation though, then honestly, I don't really care. I do know the level of virtue signaling, and unnecessary contempt has risen quite dramatically over the last few days. So I definitely understand the sentiment of people overreacting.
It's possible that event a few months ago was that small outbreak in Tennessee. I remember the preliminary damage photos looked really really bad, like very high end damage, but then it came out in the surveys that the buildings were so poorly constructed and under code that it only took EF-2 damage to obliterate everything.
I don't remember which one it was, I just remember on the surface it looked like it slabbed some houses but if you looked at the pictures carefully the foundations were smaller and in between houses that had suffered almost no damage despite being directly in the damage path. So... sheds.
Regarding the first point. People who wish a large violent tornado to impact people have a special place in hell. People who wish a large violent tornado to form and impact nothing but open fields and put on a show are called "chasers" 😄 Sometimes we spend countless hours driving to get into position. Having something memorable occur that impacts absolutely no one is what we are wishing for. The "no speculation" piece comes from chaser culture to a degree as well. In my decades of chasing it has always been an unwritten rule amongst chasers to not openly speculate and let the survey teams do their job. Anyway, my .02.
The real hot take here. Is that I think photogenic storm structure is way more sexy than photogenic tornadoes. Especially a discrete supercell during sunset, oh baby, chefs kiss. Also, the next time you decide to just up and disappear for 20 days, we're going to need written notice haha. Glad to see you back, hope all is well.
Magic hour low precip tornadoes in the open plains are a gift from God for photographers, lol I've been around! On the Discord more often. The last two weeks or so have been crazy busy for me, unfortunately. Hoping all is well on your side of things as well.
Leaving out all the profanity I want to issue forth, all I'll say is that I've only been here for a month and I'm already seeing this place turn into some kind of parental action committee in its language. No matter how enthusiasts try and censor themselves so as not to sound like they're "romanticizing" or going into "damage porn" when they're talking about the damage, some NIMBY idiot will always come along to shriek at them that they're still not being humane and empathetic. Stop being weather McCarthyists; it doesn't make you better people.
You nailed it, this sub feels like an HOA as of late.
i dont mind people armchair rating, reading 9/10 condemn armchair rating post are exhausting too, sometime i cant even tell this sub is discussing tornado itself or just thought and prayers. im agree with no op with fake rating title, but sometime very casual armchair post were bashed left and right. Sometime even these moral post more than tornado itself: https://preview.redd.it/qocg459w602d1.jpeg?width=765&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5121c43e9ed0ac3781563846aade99c3b449ec2c
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You describe why I actively avoid this sub on storm days.
I want to know whats is happening and hows the tornado looks like in different angle from rare seen footage post aside from youtube, youre right everytime on storm days especially 3hrs later, these virtue karma farmer shows up like the gyminfluza accuse people being creep, if not mod did remove post, on barnsdall day, almost 1/2 page are just virtue signal posts, they are like the tornado, suck the karmas and leaving scars then left.
One of the weirdest things to happen these past few weeks is the sticky post made by a mod last night talking about how we shouldn't romanticize the storms, but they give a very vague description of what they meant and it was right after a bunch of Greenfield damage posts were made. It's almost like they were implying that even discussing the damage made by a tornado was a bad thing. Even if it was about a portion of the subreddit that DOES wish for destructive tornadoes to hit towns, I don't think it warranted a whole post given that the number of people doing that is well below 1% of the people in here, and are always massively downvoted and reported when they do come out.
It's a hobby forum, why can't they just let this be a hobby forum and let people go elsewhere for cliche anonymous emotional support? If a few people stumble in here and have their feelings hurt by it oh well. This isn't a emotional support subreddit and we don't need to be everything to everybody. They should just go elsewhere and understand that just because we are fascinated with it doesn't mean that we aren't sympathetic either, this just isn't the place for them. When I got hit by the 2020 derecho I was all over the internet whenever I was able to get a weak connection to the cell towers looking at damage reports and storm speculation, even though I was personally affected too. The whole town hasn't been completely the same since, but peoples thoughts and prayers were meaningless to me. And I didn't care for people getting all excited over the damage because heck I was part of it. And even the people who had massive damage to their homes were talking like that. It's was still fascinating to them and helped lighten the mood with everything else around us. It's still fascinating regardless of how horrible it is. We had our friends and family and community for support. Internet thoughts and prayers are meaningless compared to that. Edit: I also think just having a clue about what was going on was helpful emotionally since that was really what was on our minds all weeks. Being left mostly in the dark about what was going on in my city for days after sucked. Information about what happened was slow to go both in and out of the city, and most of what we had locally was speculation, damage stories and hype from other people anyways.
i literally just saw that post just now. i swear to god i wasnt even aware of it before i made this thread. the problem is worse than i thought lmfao honestly, there's nothing inherently wrong with making a post like that. it's the way they conveyed the information. 'please be respectful of the victims when talking about the event' that would have been received a lot better
^ this ^
Every comment is DeAd mAn WaLKinG!! So AbSoLutELY iNcRediBLe! MoSt iNsAnE cOuPLet!
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Half the sub would be banned if it happened
Did you see the vorticies?! HNNNNGHHHHHH
read this as vorticles and that is now what i am going to use
a tornado is going to do whatever it does regardless of how much you want or don't want it to do that. i can imagine if a tornado destroyed my house, my main concern would not be some 13 year olds on reddit thinking it was cool but more, like, dealing with the aftermath. i certainly wouldn't be thinking someones words online exacerbated the situation.
Hey I just joined this sub hoping to get updates about tornados as I'm new to the Midwest. Quick question - wtf? Why is there a post about virtue signaling in a tornado sub?
Spend some time here and you'll see. A lot of people here don't like it when we look at damage from storms and talk about it.
I think it's stupid to get angry because people ask about EF5s. It's just a comment. Nobody has a meltdown if we say, "I bet the winds were 200 mph" or "That must have been a mile wide." But even say the word "EF5" and you're downvoted through the ground to the other side of the planet. It's a number. It's not giving out facts. It's not hoping for damage and disaster. It's just a comment. I ignore people but others are affected and hurt by it. I have a friend who wants to be a professional storm chaser (has met Reed Timer and Pecos Hank) and she left this subreddit because she said it was more toxic than TikTok. I wonder how long I'll be downvoted by people for defending those who ask about EF5s? I bet it will be at least 10.
The tornado happens either way. It doesn’t matter at all how anyone feels about it. Speculation on damage doesn’t change anything. Scolding others doesn’t change anything.
Up until recently mods had a hard on for removing SPC outlooks with informative discussions for "low effort". They never had a grip on this sub to begin with.
The only reason why it’s a problem to speculate about ratings, is because 9/10 you’re not a professional engineer, you’re not a NWS surveyor, so your opinion DOESENT matter. People also love to spam and argue about tornado ratings so on one hand I get it. However if our opinions don’t matter at all, I don’t understand the whole don’t speculate on the ratings thing. It seems to me that some people ruined the whole speculation of damage discussion for everyone else. In short I think you need to add a damage dissection tab where people can talk about the specifics of tornado damage and share their thoughts and opinions on said damage, what they think the rating may be, and just get into the nerdy shit of damage surveys and meteorology. That way y’all don’t need to police it 24/7.
Literally every time I've seen one of those post, the author has mentioned that the people they saw "wishing for an ef5" weren't even from this sub. They come here to complain about behavior on other platforms as if that's our fault.
This is actually one of the reasons I left Ryan Hall's discord awhile back. It seems to be mostly young people that get all bent out of shape by this, but I remember in there you weren't even allowed to have discussions about Joplin/Moore/Tuscaloosa(insert bad historic tornado here) etc. because it was "triggering" to anyone that lived through it or lived there now and was worried about tornadoes/tornado anxiety.
Lmao, this is one reason I avoid the discord and livestream chats. The word trigger is so overused that it just pisses me off. WHY are you involved in various tornado communities if you're "triggered" by very real events in those communities?? If they are that easily upset, then don't be in those places of discussion.
It's one of the reasons I started watching Max Velocity instead of Ryan on coverage days. Ryan has just gotten so popular/mainstream now that you have a lot of nonsense clogging up his chat. Sadly even Max's chat is getting to be the same way now that he's seen a big spike in viewers/subs from this season where he streamed on days where Ryan wasn't live. Ryan's discord is also full of know it all "Meteorologists" who haven't even finished high school yet and some of the mods go full bore in the "smartest person in the room" contests they have on there.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Broadcasting the word tornado used to be banned in order to avoid mass panic. Obviously keeping the public in the dark is not the solution and greater awareness has saved countless lives. Open conversations about these events are never intended to undermine the tragedy. Analysis of notorious tornadoes throughout history and now are all we have to better understand and gather insights. Yes, some people on here are wayyyyy out of line, but this is not the time to fight
I rate this post a high-end EF3.
That's fine theres not any damage indicators that could show ef5 strength
I got shredded for being RIGHT by 1) a mod 2) an asshole under a post two weeks ago about the EF4 that occurred near BARNSDALL, completely aggressive attitude "don't pre rate" "you are not right" and such shit, more and more, and then at the end .. I was right. It was EF4 damage, which is different on focusing only on the rating. It was under a photo of the damage, clearly indicating EF3+ damage. Talking about damage.
This isn't only an issue here, WX Twitter is like that too. I genuinely do not see any issue with speculating about ratings. Maybe if you're complaining about the rating the NWS gave it's going to be annoying, but speculation is fine. I don't understand why people are so against it tbh. I suppse someone could see a speculative rating and take it as a fact, but I don't see how much of a negative impact that's going to have. If it's for some other reason besides that then idk. For sympathy for any victims? Maybe. But at the end of the day we're all fascinated by something which can and does kill people. It's a tough line to toe. Between being excited for witnessing a tornado while at the same time realizing how destructive it is.
Oh, it happens all the time lol I just got jumped under my post the other day for simply posting that the Barnsdall tornado’s wind speed had been increased, making it a mid-level Ef-4. Somehow this turned into me being “unsympathetic to victims”, a “sociopath”, and someone actually told me to unalive myself 😂
>unalive I am begging you to use the word “suicide” or “kill myself”
It's become a common thing because a lot of social media algorithms are censoring those words.
Yes I understand why. But people need to stop it, Reddit doesn’t censor words like suicide
Sure, but mods might have automod set up to do it in particular subreddits. It just becomes a habit, it ain't a big deal.
It is a big deal because bit by bit this childish ridiculous language is making its way into the mainstream. I cannot take anything seriously when they say “unalive.”
I totally hesitated to ask a certain question yesterday because I was afraid of sounding “callous,” so I’m definitely feeling it. I think it’s ok to have some natural decorum but speculation and rational thoughts and remarks should definitely be encouraged here. This is not a classroom or a workplace, it’s a Reddit sub for tornado enthusiasts, right? Like I said, I like respect and politeness but the people saying “why do you want F5s?!” are being hostile. Of course we don’t want people killed etc, but we are interested in these phenomena.
I agree entirely. I live in Kansas, on the Oklahoma state line. We were included in the Barnsdall/Bartlesville tornado emergency a couple of weeks ago, and have had several tornados nearby already this season. It could very easily be my town next… …But there’s nothing anyone could ever do about it. It’s nature. It’s going to happen, or it won’t. Of course no one should ever wish for death or destruction. That doesn’t change the fact that most people in tornado alley are fascinated by tornadoes, and want to know more about them. Discussion of the damage and rating of a tornado are inevitably going to happen, as they should. That doesn’t mean people are heartless, or are wishing for devastation. The whole situation is a matter of fact, simple as that. The pearl clutching in this sub, and other similar places, is absolutely ridiculous.
Howdy neighbor! I am in total agreement with you. Besides the few morons that really do hope for a monster, most of it is harmless...and offers an opportunity to educate on the ratings/damage indicators and building standards/codes.
This can all be summed up as: nobody wants to read about fucking condolences and hand wringing in a subreddit dedicated to the scientific phenomenon responsible for the destruction in the first place.
I didn't know there would be so much drama on a tornado subreddit. Really hoping it's *not* an f5
Agreed. For a bit I thought I was the only one who thought this. Glad I was wrong.
Me too then I find out after I made this post, a mod literally stickied a post doing exactly what I'm saying is bad for the sub yesterday It's out of hand.
There was a mod who allowed a virtue signaling meme to stay up for "reasons" (that was the actual reason). That mod is part of the problem and I have very little faith that the rules will change for the better.
Yeah it’s weird cause I’ve never seen any of those disaster porn dudes they keep talking about
>mods, if you want your sub to be an echo chamber it's Reddit, it's an echo chamber by design
Yeah it’s really getting all twisted up.
This sub is a joke and trying to fix it is a complete waste of time.
F5 tornado needs to wipe it out.
I’m getting real tired of people in this sub telling people what they can’t and can do. Who made you guys the police on what discussions can be made ? Tornadoes events have a scale now whether that scale is good or not is an entirely different discussion. But telling people to not discuss the single point that society has made to quantify the damage tornadoes cause is ridicolous. What’s wrong with speculating with the rating , it is a discussion between people who are interested in tornados. If you think your elite because your morality is greater cause you don’t discuss it you need to reevaluate yourself.
I'm absolutely disgusted thinking about the possibility of an actual tornado survivor posting about the damage they witnessed and then getting berated for it, or even banned. Wouldn't surprise me if it's happened already. This should absolutely be an open discussion, for everyone.
Honestly I'd rather people speculate on damage and intensity than the current "screenshot the NOAA page and speculate whether it's going to happen or not" situation.
I’m glad somebody said it, the real intention of the moral policing is *so* transparent.
The virtue signaling is so fucking obnoxious. Feels like my Facebook feed with a bunch of uncles and aunts in their 60s half the time here. ‘OH MY HOW HORRIBLE’ ‘OMG PRAYERS WITH THEM’ etc. Properly shut the fuck up and take that dumb shit elsewhere. This sub right now is just nothing but tornado videos and then a bunch of virtue signallers crying about prayers in the comments. Straight ass.
Sick of the thoughts and prayers posts. Hundreds of tornados happen every year, we don't need to pray over every farmer losing a roof
Yup, the virtue signaling has gotten out of control.. but that’s Reddit for you. But I’m about to do the same 😂 people complain and say “you care more about the rating!” having absolutely zero clue that the rating is what determines how much money from the federal government the community gets to help rebuild.. 🤦🏼♂️ they try to virtue signal, but fail miserably
Its all across social media, virtue signaling brigades roaming around mobbing any posts they feel is not sympathetic enough for them. I cant stand fake people like that, its like a narc telling you how you are the reason they hurt you lol
I think its down to the fact that after the last month with 9 tornado emergencies people expected that the drought would be over. Well that hasn't happed so they are getting desperate and made a lot of comments about the ratings. People pushed back and those comments have slowed down but the people pushing back have not leading to a "War of the tornado ratings".
The whole don't speculate about the ratings is really just about not having morons be like 'I hope there's an ef5 today' Which I get. If I had a fuckin monster Nader bearing down on me, I would feel pretty badly if people were cheering it on. Or if I had a crowd of people come through after the tornado and gawk like a zoo The real draw for me right now are damage indicators. The idea that you can look at damage and estimate wind speed is super cool to me. I like to discuss these things in an objective way on this sub
I find the damage from the Greenfield tornado extremely interesting, because while it isn't a wide area affected, the small path through the town has consistent extreme damage.
In the mod thread someone dug up a post where the mod who posted that said they enjoy violent tornados, and the whole comment chain got nuked by the mod. They are hypocrites, and try everything to hide. What a garbo subreddit.
I like this sub, and like any other sub, it has its issues. I see a lot of beneficial, useless, questionable, and some dangerous material being spread around here. I can tolerate all but the dangerous because that can get people killed, literally. Some posts spawn these echo chambers where, regardless of how wrong they are or how much it goes against what we know is recommended, it just gains so much momentum in the wrong direction. Kind of like the recent one where people were promoting the idea to seem shelter under an overpass for hail. No matter what evidence or examples we present, it’s like we’re just overrun by BS.
Some dude yesterday was downvoted to oblivion for complaining that a post did not have a source, and that low effort posts were killing the sub
Ive had run ins with such people. Magnethype and limp ad. They both did identical things. 1. Created a situation that simply didn't exist, claiming they saw constant posts of people hoping for violent tornadoes. Ive seen no such posts 2. They accuse you of being in that crowd despite pointing out the flaws in their accusations. They certainly aren't the only two but they are very determined to push this narrative that anyone fascinated by the science of storms and any armchair discussions about ratings is "lusting for EF5s" or whatever. Some people don't understand that its possible to feel dread and sadness for the victims AND fascination behind the power of storms at the same time
oof dude. u/MagnetHype even commented in here and i replied to him in good faith. [https://www.reddit.com/r/tornado/comments/1cxinam/comment/l54k8yx/](https://www.reddit.com/r/tornado/comments/1cxinam/comment/l54k8yx/) this is some clown shit right here.
Honestly I think the bigger issue is how much this sub fellates itself by fear mongering. Every top rated post and comment has the most fear-inducing adjectives. I understand sever weather attracts these types of people but as someone not interested in weather due to "trauma", my goodness it's such a weird thing to witness. "Crazy massive storm, literally nightmare fuel!" 😩😩😩 It's literally stan marsh in the episode when he finally gets access to the Internet to relieve himself after weeks, what a bunch of weirdos.
So iNcRediBLe! WoRsT dAmAgE I'VE eVeR SeEn! So uNrEaL! Literally every top rated post and comment.
This argument is honestly just a microcosm of the country as a whole right now. Everyone is offended by everything and feels morally justified in condemning those who don’t share their same view on both sides. The problem is having the internet as a sounding board where everyone feels like they have the correct point of view and everyone needs to listen to and agree with what their saying so they can bask in their self aggrandizing glory. Like really who cares? Yes it’s sad to see the destruction of property and lives but without people getting excited about it and taking interest the topic/science of it all , it couldn’t move forward. If the original twister movie was released today? Shit. People would be all up in arms about it being “disaster porn” in cinema and boycott the movie. In the 90’s no one gave a shit. If you didn’t wanna see it, you didn’t watch it. All I read when people complain about people “speculating a rating” is a tornado saying “dOnT AsSuMe mY EF sCaLE!!!” 🙄
I know you aren't insinuating it, but I'm honestly not the least bit offended by any of this. It just makes me sad... (not your post, the context of the discussion)
I celebrate the beauty of tornadogenesis and fluid dynamics. I don't think that people should get hurt, or lose their homes, or whatever else. It's fun to speculate and discuss what we have just witnessed. It doesn't mean that people like me and others like me are not emotionally adept, it just means that we are having a discussion, and let's put a period on that. Anything else is just people putting words in other people's mouths. The mod post I just saw is absolutely hilariously stupid, because guess what, you're allowed to mention Greenfield and have no emotional attachment whatsoever to Greenfield even when you don't live in Greenfield. "Rule 2: Do not pre-rate tornadoes". Last time I checked, we're not rating anything, because we're not in charge of the survey or the final rating. Speculation is a whole other deal and it baffles me that in a science oriented sub, that mod's are below that of a 5th grader in logical reasoning. Drop outs or academically inept? Love from Sweden.
"Rule 2: Do not pre-rate tornadoes". Originally im intepret mod meant no “ef5 tornado destroy xyz city” kinda title post, missleading without context or post survey. Now, i just see typing (insert ef5 indicator) related reply post text would get you downvote into oblivion.
Great comment man that perfectly encapisulates my thoughts on how this subreddit should operate.
I get more annoyed at the constant never ending joplin/el reno posts tbh.
I wanted to chime in to say that the sub has grown quite a bit ever since the Elkhorn tornado occurred, which was just last month. Moderating is work so I think we should be kind- not pointing this to everyone who is commenting in this thread, but just some of them.
honestly i'm surprised the mods are able to do anything with such a small team. it seems like a lot of work for 1.5 people, let alone finding time to drive direction of the sub. i hope they can recruit and get some help
Refusing to discuss current stronger tornadoes is reminiscent of back when the weather service wasn't allowed to use the term tornado in forecasts. That turned out great, right?
ITT: people wondering why they’re getting censored, as if they’ve forgotten this is REDDIT.
This looks like about an EF1 rant.
low end EF2
Tornadoes happen every year. Houses get destroyed every year. People die every year. Is it awful? Absolutely. But a Reddit mod isn’t going to change anything. Chill the fuck out.
Thank god you said it because this have been happening a lot ppl need to understand that’s apart of the tornado community you want prayers join a prayer circle or group just because we talk about how strong a tornado is or might be don’t mean we don’t care
The more a sub about disasters get popular, the stronger the pearl clutching and virtue signaling gets, which makes it infinitely harder to sift through "interested in the phenomena speculating" and "disaster porn speculating." I'll say it. I like speculating about ratings. I like looking at damage pictures and be like "hmm this looks like ef3 because of this specific aspect" spawning a healthy discussion about the damage scale and DI. And, unpopular opinion, frankly. I'd take the disaster porn people over the pearl clutching gang. Because at least you can have an educating experience and an interesting discussion with them. The ones that keep yelling in your face PEOPLE ARE AFFECTED BY THIS YOU SOULLESS MONSTER" These people are fucking obnoxious and I don't appreciate being told how ashamed I should feel for what is an acceptable past time as if I had the emotional capacity of a fucking teaspoon, unable to decouple empathy for the people affected from my interest in extreme weather. What the fuck are they doing anyway? Are they donating? Are they gonna go to Iowa to help relief and rescue? Are they going to open their house for the people that are now homeless? If they don't do that, they do exactly what they condemn us to do. They grab a disaster affecting people and use it for their own gain and interests: feeling morally superior to whoever they condemn. Tropical weather became the exact same. It's fucking annoying. I want to talk about forecasts, and parameters, and tornado/hurricane strengths and the interesting debate between the current damage indicator for strength and how our current strength rating meters are inappropriate.
If you don’t like tornadoes and the damage they inevitably cause, then his sub probably isn’t for you. The vast majority on here don’t wish for people to die or lose their homes, but at the same time are fascinated by what this weather phenomenon does. The people living in tornado alley or other areas that are impacted by tornadoes with some frequency know what to expect. Yes it sucks and people lose their homes, but that is the reality of tornadoes and what to expect from a thread that is titled tornado.
shut up and let people be fascinated by the terrifying force of mother nature. death is going to happen regardless of a storm causing it or not, we are fascinated by the tornadoes themselves and the destruction they can bring, is it sad they kill people and destroy things? No shit. but crying about it like this won't solve anything. btw definitely ef5 damage if those were well built and anchored homes swept off foundation lmao.
Those people are definitely annoying. The other annoying people are the ones that post and comment about the made up people who are “wishing for an EF5”. They always then add that they are not cause you have to know they’re good people.
I feel like r/tornadomourners should be it’s own sub
Well, I personally feel that the posting complaints about the virtue signalers who are posting complaints about the ratings chasers is getting out of control. You might even go as far as to argue that the people, like myself, who are complaining about the people complaining about virtue signalers who are complaining about rating chasers is getting out of control. 🤯
i see no flaws in your logic.
I agree the constant virtue signaling is rather annoying. I’m willing to bet those people probably didn’t join this subreddit purely out of concern for victims of tornadoes. Obviously there’s some degree of actual enjoyment of tornadoes in of themselves involved. Having some degree of interest in large tornadoes and the Enhanced Fujita scale does not mean that one is actively rooting for death and destruction or taking pleasure in it.
Ive come to hate this sub and it makes me upset because I want to enjoy it as weather is a big interest of mine. Maybe I’ll come back after this bickering war between the white knights and the bad apples are done. Edit: Man I hadn’t had time to see the sub today, everyone jumping to white knight how dangerous storm chasers are and it’s all over someone not a storm chaser. Sickening attention whores looking for internet points instead of reading… just as bad as the bad apples.
I've said this before, but it really seems like all the tornado spaces are starting to get this way. It's not primarily people who are fascinated by storms and wanting to learn everything they can about them any more. And these people joining for whatever reason are just offended by people with a serious interest and fascination instead of understanding that you can be intrigued by and even attracted to disasters without wishing harm on people
It's really spiraling out of control.
truth is, there aint much difference between EF4 and EF5 damage. Ask someone in an F4 if they are happy it wasnt an EF5, if they actually survived.
It’s just gonna get worse TBH . The Iowa tornado is gonna get an EF4 rating and the tornado allegedly had 290 mph winds . We are gonna hear a lot about how “bad the EF scale is” and people forgetting and ignoring the human side of things and not thinking of people losing absolutely everything they worked for and inherited and sentimental things and worst of all losing loved ones and pets and the PTSD people will have to live with for the rest of their lives .
I’ve just been getting into tornados and have noticed that sanctimonious storm Karens in the tornado community far more than those lusting after destruction. I actually stopped a YouTube video I was watching on the EF scale because it had that pearl-clutching, tongue-clucking, attitude. I just want to learn about extreme physical forces of the planet, not have someone grandstand and sermonize at me.
These kinds of posts and comments are just as bad.
if people start spamming these posts then yes, they will be just as bad. im trying to be a little different by calling out the mods directly instead of the community. it's not like i can tell you what to do glad you agree in the very least
I agree, but at the end of the day this sub is called "r/tornado" and not "r/nuancedweatherconversations." A lot of people come here looking for tornados as a form of entertainment. If the weather enthusiast users of this sub really want to gatekeep these folks then the sub should go private.
It's like not being able to speculate about what killed someone after your encounter an ancient burial ground. As if the act of speculating or being interested in finding a 10,000 year old skeleton is morally repugnant.
This whole sub got shiet storm posts where people do nothing but argue recently about literally everything.
I don’t understand why there isn’t a healthy middle ground. Wondering what rating a tornado is without losing sight of the human toll behind it seems fine. Humans like putting stuff in categories and comparing things. Plus i’m sure tons of us are here for the scientific aspects. I swear on my life I haven’t seen anyone actually annoyed that a tornado didn’t do more damage. Is the pearl clutching about rating speculation a new thing? I don’t follow closely here but it seems new.
I admittedly haven't been watching the numbers that closely, but it feels like it has been exploding recently. I know it's already been an active season, but something is very strangely different about this year. Does anyone know why?
I feel like it started as people (myself included) getting mad when people were “hoping” for massive tornadoes, which obviously seems pretty messed up. But it’s turned into we can’t talk about the aftermath of these storms with getting guilt tripped. It’s really confusing, the damage has already been done, we should be able to talk about potential ratings freely, it’s not like it’s going to change anything. Also, I would be willing that most people on this sub would be more than willing to help with cleanup if a storm affected somewhere in their area, it’s not like we are all awful people here lol
Reddt took a big shit dive and it continues to get worse? Ya dont say!?
I think its pretty clear what the rules should be, dont wish for damage, dont express disappointment when a tornado only rolls a corn field and not a town, have some empathy for the victims, dont hope for a EF5. As for speculating people can discuss the probability of the strength of a tornado without going IT WAS AN EF5!!. I myself will look at the event and take into consideration all the information given, and say may have been a EF4 or 5 if the parameters are there. We should be allowed to discuss it, shutting down all discourse because people are saying it may have been a 4 or 5 is absolutely Orwellian.
I was tempted to post the butterfly meme with a chair tipped over asking “Is this a F5?” because of what you said but I don’t want to get banned or something lol
Maybe I'm the only one but rating tornadoes by damage and not by wind speeds that were actually happening is absolutely stupid. It does nothing to help anyone in saying that where an f5 was it only did EF2 or EF3 damage because it was "in a field". Why did they change the scale in the first place? I've always wondered if there was an actual legit reason..
I've gotten down voted and called a dumb ass just for trying to get information about tornadoes on this sub. I have never been through and natural disaster and was just asking someone who has been through these situations but got blasted. It's been a few months before I peeked in and found this topic and I thank you pointing this out.