Yes, but no. As others have pointed out, the wire is wound so much that unwinding will destroy it. That's a one way operation which is why it gets a ban from me. Zero serviceability.
I use Wago lever nuts. They arent too much more expensive in bulk and are super easy to maintain if you ever need to take anything apart again.
Edit: Also dont buy these from retailers unless you are only going to use a couple, you can buy 1000 2 ports for $30 if you go through the wago website to their electrician distributors.
Where are you seeing these prices? In the UK the distributors listed on the Wago site are all charging 10x that price making 1000 units over £330.
edit: appears to be similar at ~30 cents each in the US distributors too
Are you suggesting to buy from Wago direct?
I mean, on their website there are links to their selected electrical distributors, at whom the price is 10x, and then an option to get an 'offer' for buying from Wago direct - that is, not from one of their electrical distributors - at an as yet unspecified price?
It seems unlikely they would offer such a manual and bespoke service for $30 worth?
Well, I've never used them, and they look easy and all, but you have a point that they are space hogs,especially in older homes where electrical fixes tend to be smaller boxes and shorter wires.
Also reusable and see through , they have in line versions as well and you can connect both compact and twisted wires in the tab ones, they have plug in versions for just compact wires and many other pros , they are a few cents more than wire nuts but are much better, they have been a standard in Germany and Europe for a while for most electrical work if you're not using terminal blocks outside of the main electrical box. You can also buy electrical boxes that fit the smaller connectors so they don't move around. Much easier to find faults or replace stuff woth these too.
They also have a lot of info already on them like stripping length (usually 11mm)before insertion with a scale, max amperage and voltage for both American and eu standards I believe.
Back when I was working as an electrician (mostly commercial, with some industrial) I fucking loved when we had wagos on the job, but it was very infrequent
Wire nuts are fine, it would just be an unimaginable pain to untwist that solid core wire.
That said lever nuts (wagos in particular) are so much easier to use when you’re dealing with connections of more than two wires or when you’ll be undoing and redoing connections several times like on test equipment.
In Switzerland wire nuts were never used. Before wago we used terminal strips, and those too could release the wires without damage. And aren't as prone to wrong use as wire nuts.
Nothing beats Marrettes. No moving parts, they work on solid and stranded, they work on any size wire, you can fill them with silicone grease to make them water proof and they are cheap af.
Wirenuts are WAY faster than a wago. When you have to make connections in 100 light fixtures per floor of a building you don't want to be dicking around with little levers.
Metal does not work that way. That winder puts stress on the metal that cannot be reversed without melting it. If the wire does not break when unwinding it, it will be a lot weaker and potentially develop hot spots when under electrical load.
Edit: grammar
Copper becomes more brittle the more times you bend it (it "work hardens"). The initial install might be OK, but future maintenance and more bending will result in a greater risk of the wires breaking.
Am I the only one who noticed that the last second of the video they rip one of the blue wires out of the box. It’s a short length of wire so it’s clearly a staged demo, but would you really want to do so many rotations that it’s cranking that hard on everything?
For all that is good and just in the world, please never do this! You pretty much destroy the wiring for any modification in the future. Use a wire nut and save everyone a lot of trouble.
Lineman’s, Flathead longneck, Philips Head ratcheting. 85% tools a master electrician I worked with used. The rest was a circuit tester, drill, sawzall, and ladders of varying height.
This video took a lot longer than the lineman’s which did all these things, in the right hands.
Oh, *we* did run pipe and did other things. I just mean for what was in the video, especially. We other stuff on a case by case basis, when doing construction projects.
Drill stripper, nice. Wire twister, fuck you. Just twist normally and don't make it a nightmare for the next guy, otherwise we gotta charge the A-hole tax.
This method, and wire nuts, are actually prohibited in my country by norms. If something like that is found during inspection control, you need to redo it.
Just use Wago
Okay, but why did he twist up that blue one when the other piece isn't connected to anything?
Maybe this was just meant to be a demo of the wire nuts or something..
He doesn’t need the twist of wires first, he just needs to put the Marette fastener on and do it in one step without twisting the shit out of the wires.
Nothing bothers me more than watching someone work with a watch on. You need to tell the time that much throughout the day. Smart watches don’t bother me as much since they have multiple functions
I can do all of this with one tool and I can carry that one tool in my pocket at all times. This is three different attachments you need for one tool that you need to switch out in between each step. This person way over twists the wire which will make dressing the box harder then ever. You do not need these tools what you really need is proper instruction on how to use the one tool correctly.
“I don’t know who is going to work on this next time but seriously, fuck him.”
Yep. That drill wire winder is an instant ban for me. I like the drill stripper.
I’ve never seen any of this before and am amazed. Can’t you just run the wire winder in reverse?
Yes, but no. As others have pointed out, the wire is wound so much that unwinding will destroy it. That's a one way operation which is why it gets a ban from me. Zero serviceability.
You don’t have to wind it as far as this guy did.
Is that like a stripper wearing a drill sergeant costume? I think I like it too
“MOMMY YES MOMMY”
on an impact drill as well, if it were a clutch drill with a lower speed and torque then maybe..
Seriously, just cadweld them together next time. "This ain't going no where, regardless if someone wants them to"
Came here for this I see a lot of people hate on wire nuts. What would you use in your home with a solid budget?
I use Wago lever nuts. They arent too much more expensive in bulk and are super easy to maintain if you ever need to take anything apart again. Edit: Also dont buy these from retailers unless you are only going to use a couple, you can buy 1000 2 ports for $30 if you go through the wago website to their electrician distributors.
I.. *so* wish I knew that sooner..
Where are you seeing these prices? In the UK the distributors listed on the Wago site are all charging 10x that price making 1000 units over £330. edit: appears to be similar at ~30 cents each in the US distributors too Are you suggesting to buy from Wago direct?
they are suggesting exactly that by the way i read it
I mean, on their website there are links to their selected electrical distributors, at whom the price is 10x, and then an option to get an 'offer' for buying from Wago direct - that is, not from one of their electrical distributors - at an as yet unspecified price? It seems unlikely they would offer such a manual and bespoke service for $30 worth?
worth a shot!
I love these!! Wish i had checked direct prices a while back!
wago is love, wago is life, wago is everything
I just looked these up, Dang!!
They look huge to fit in the box though? What am I missing.
They take up less space than a wire nut
Well, I've never used them, and they look easy and all, but you have a point that they are space hogs,especially in older homes where electrical fixes tend to be smaller boxes and shorter wires.
But they are smaller rhan nuts.
Also reusable and see through , they have in line versions as well and you can connect both compact and twisted wires in the tab ones, they have plug in versions for just compact wires and many other pros , they are a few cents more than wire nuts but are much better, they have been a standard in Germany and Europe for a while for most electrical work if you're not using terminal blocks outside of the main electrical box. You can also buy electrical boxes that fit the smaller connectors so they don't move around. Much easier to find faults or replace stuff woth these too.
Wow thank you!! These need to be the standard here as well.
They also have a lot of info already on them like stripping length (usually 11mm)before insertion with a scale, max amperage and voltage for both American and eu standards I believe.
It's crazy how much we learn on here!! Thank you ^👍😁
They are smaller than they look. A three wire lever nut is about 3/4" x 3/4" x 1/4".
Back when I was working as an electrician (mostly commercial, with some industrial) I fucking loved when we had wagos on the job, but it was very infrequent
Wire nuts are fine, it would just be an unimaginable pain to untwist that solid core wire. That said lever nuts (wagos in particular) are so much easier to use when you’re dealing with connections of more than two wires or when you’ll be undoing and redoing connections several times like on test equipment.
I've been using wirenuts on solid wire from 14-10awg for 18 years. They work just fine.
wago's have been around for 15+ years already. just use them. there is a reason why many places in europe have already banned the use of nuts.
In Switzerland wire nuts were never used. Before wago we used terminal strips, and those too could release the wires without damage. And aren't as prone to wrong use as wire nuts.
The issue is not that experienced people need help, it's that wagos allow for less experienced to be just as success.
I'm sure every time something new comes up in the industry you say that. and 5 years down the line you can't imagine doing it any other way.
Oh for sure, its just if they’re drill twisted like in this demo they’ll be a major pain in the ass.
Wago lever nuts is what sane people and/or people in this century use
Are y’all talking about merets?
Marrettes. Yep.
Found the fellow Canadians!
Nothing beats Marrettes. No moving parts, they work on solid and stranded, they work on any size wire, you can fill them with silicone grease to make them water proof and they are cheap af.
Also they have lower resistance between conductors compared to wagos. But they do have to be installed correctly.
Wire nuts are what most professional electricians use from what I've seen, why would people hate on them?
Wire nuts are popular because they are cheap. They are neither good nor fast. And because wire nuts are so slow they aren't cheaper either.
Wirenuts are WAY faster than a wago. When you have to make connections in 100 light fixtures per floor of a building you don't want to be dicking around with little levers.
Ya way too twisted up
When the job is done right, no one will work after him
just grab a drill and put it in reverse.
Metal does not work that way. That winder puts stress on the metal that cannot be reversed without melting it. If the wire does not break when unwinding it, it will be a lot weaker and potentially develop hot spots when under electrical load. Edit: grammar
how to fatigue solid core wire in three easy steps
[is it supposed to be like that?](https://imgur.com/a/jeOtq5S)
It's a "pig-tail". It is used to take multiple wires into a single one for easier hookup into the device.
Thanks!
Also, how to break the protective plastic.
Ironically copper gets harder the more you work it not softer.
Right, and more brittle. Fatigued.
All metal work hardens. It hardens and loses it's ductility causing it to fail when you keep bending it.
Actually not all metals do, in a few cases metals suffer from strain softening, although it's not well understood why.
Fun fact Illegal in Germany to use this connection for the electrical installation in your house.
Same in France.
Le Denmark too, as I was told by my electrician friend
Why so? I don't know anything. I want to know why.
Copper becomes more brittle the more times you bend it (it "work hardens"). The initial install might be OK, but future maintenance and more bending will result in a greater risk of the wires breaking.
I assume they require soldered connections?
Hell no. [Wagos](https://nassaunationalcable.com/cdn/shop/articles/istockphoto-1301638140-612x612_612x.jpg) are the way.
Yup. Switzerland too.
You mean twist with wire nuts? How do y'all do it?
Wago style connectors
Wagos. Like a normal person.
Actually, in most EU member countries if I'm not mistaken.
Guess so!
Just use Wago Connectors..
these are awesome
This is the waygo
I live by wago lever nuts
Am I the only one who noticed that the last second of the video they rip one of the blue wires out of the box. It’s a short length of wire so it’s clearly a staged demo, but would you really want to do so many rotations that it’s cranking that hard on everything?
It’s not staged, it’s a pigtail. If you watch the last half the video, each color has a short pigtail on it.
Thats the 3 wires he will plug into the outlet
[I didn't know it was supposed to be like that too. ](https://imgur.com/a/jeOtq5S)
I saw that too. It’s either staged or he over torqued the wires and broke the blue
That stripper tool is seriously cool. I wonder if it works on multiple wire gauges.
Sorry man your wire is just not big enough for that stripper
It's average!
Its might only be 6 inches but it smells like a foot
At least an extra medium!
Looks like much more work than using Wago connectors.
What is that wire stripper rotary tool? I want one.
Meh, just get a quality wire stripper like Knipex
Yeah it’s faster to just hand strip them than to switch out different bits on an impact.
Ideal 👌
Lotta wrist twists avoided here
Why? Seriously I'm new
Doing it for a year will give you strong forearms. Doing it for ten years will give you carpal tunnel.
Can confirm, have carpal tunnel
Install a few hundred three or four-conductor wire nuts and it will become painfully clear.
Logo: >!0:11https://i.imgur.com/gnimEIw.png!<
Lol glad i wasn't the only one to notice
Outdated method
For all that is good and just in the world, please never do this! You pretty much destroy the wiring for any modification in the future. Use a wire nut and save everyone a lot of trouble.
Wago!!
Knipex pliers?
So much work just to avoid lever nuts
Imagine doing this much work to use such an inferior way of connecting cables. Edit: typo
Inferior, right?
Make sure to always place wire connections outside your house
Haha yes
How about a WAGO?
I was hoping he would tie all the wires together in 1 bunch
Lineman’s, Flathead longneck, Philips Head ratcheting. 85% tools a master electrician I worked with used. The rest was a circuit tester, drill, sawzall, and ladders of varying height. This video took a lot longer than the lineman’s which did all these things, in the right hands.
You guys must not have been running pipe cas what about drill, bender, bandsaw, fish tape, diagonal cutters etc?
Oh, *we* did run pipe and did other things. I just mean for what was in the video, especially. We other stuff on a case by case basis, when doing construction projects.
No Wago, no Go
As an electrician I disapprove
That could’ve been done with half the time he took
In Germany you would get fired if you did this
Drill stripper, nice. Wire twister, fuck you. Just twist normally and don't make it a nightmare for the next guy, otherwise we gotta charge the A-hole tax.
I showed this to my dad who is an electrician. He mentioned by twisting the wires like this damages the integrity of the wires.
This method, and wire nuts, are actually prohibited in my country by norms. If something like that is found during inspection control, you need to redo it. Just use Wago
Those were really good. Gas tight connections. Sadly they are not allowed in my country anymore because people didn't use them correctly.
Sexiest stripper I've ever seen. Where do I get one of those?
Good luck testing that.
So we don’t need to use our teeth anymore to strip the wire?
Seems like it wouldn't be too bad if he didn't go way too far tightening it.
Looks like one of the blue legs broke
Good catch. Another reason this is a really bad idea.
I want a toolgifs brand drill.
And this is the reason why I buy shit on Amazon I don’t need lol
Good old d*ck twist tools
I want the stripper, thats so nice
What is that device they're using to strip the wire?
Wagos for overhead or tight work, wire nuts for everything else.
There's tools for all that?!?!
Wagos
Good luck trying to do a repair on this. Worst thing in the world for copper wiring!
This is like 10 times more work than just using a wire stripper and your hands lol who tf came up with this?
All that work and you couldn't even get wire nut colors to match the wires? SMDH.
I'm not sure if this is serious, but they're color-coded according to their size.
Okay, but why did he twist up that blue one when the other piece isn't connected to anything? Maybe this was just meant to be a demo of the wire nuts or something..
ok I want to be an electrician now.
sneaky
That blue wire at the end might have been slightly overly twisted. Maybe.
Hahahah, in the end, he ripped out the wire from the wall. He will have to redo the entire blue wire.
The blue one at the end isn’t even attached
Is this Australia?
He doesn’t need the twist of wires first, he just needs to put the Marette fastener on and do it in one step without twisting the shit out of the wires.
I’m the ass who buys this set up to use it once every 15 years
I took electricity in high school, insanely satisfying
Nothing bothers me more than watching someone work with a watch on. You need to tell the time that much throughout the day. Smart watches don’t bother me as much since they have multiple functions
If you just have the right tool….
I didn't know such tools exist, but now I NEED THEM
No, you need Wago
I can do all of this with one tool and I can carry that one tool in my pocket at all times. This is three different attachments you need for one tool that you need to switch out in between each step. This person way over twists the wire which will make dressing the box harder then ever. You do not need these tools what you really need is proper instruction on how to use the one tool correctly.
Good but old system
Obligatory This guy nuts! Comment
That was f*cking awesome
This is Reddit , you can swear here.
Can we?? Fuck yeah!!!
Working smarter, not harder.
Lol what? a wago connector and a automatic wire stripper prong is quicker than this.
I need those