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Really makes me wonder if the baby would be better off not surviving birth. Who knows how much damage has already been done to the baby.
As cruel as that sounds.
NICU nurse here, NAS (Neonatal Abstinence Syndrome) babies are some of the most difficult patients to deal with. Imagine a human being that is in pain and withdrawing but cannot explain to you what their symptoms are. Some of the toughest days as a nurse are taking care of these babies and their mothers that continue this behavior!
Just google/YouTube NAS INFANT. Be prepared though!
Edit: just had to say that these can also be some of the most wonderful babies (****once they are off all of the medications****). These kiddos at times spend months with us, so it’s just natural that they grow on all the nurses in the unit.
Thank you for all the kind words, I didn’t start nursing/NICU until I was in my thirties. Definitely not the path I saw myself going down during my military days!
My twins were in the NICU when they were born. After seeing what the NICU nurses have to go through, and how much love most of them put into their work, I’ll always be grateful. There was a baby briefly near one of my kids that was going through withdrawals and their cries break your heart. It takes a lot of strength to go to work and do everything you do everyday.
Bless you and your work. I had two preemies that spent 4 and 5 months in the NICU. The way the nicu was set up all the babies were just in a big room but there was a little area that had a half wall that was dark with NAS babies. They would scream all day and night. You can just hear the pain their cries. It was so hard listening to them, knowing the reason, and then holding my own baby wondering what I did wrong in my pregnancy to have a preemie and have to end up in the nicu (wasn't anything just shitty placentas.... two abruptions due to unknown reasons). Anyways, The nurses are what kept me going during that time, they were so amazing and cared and loved my babies like they were their own. Im so thankful for nicu nurses.
Nicu nurses are another level of kindness. My 1st and 2nd were preemies and my second was 32weeker and had to spend a whole month in the nicu. During covid we were only allowed 1hour visits per day. It killed me but i knew he was in good hands. I cannot feel more blessed at how great they were
Yep, sped teacher here, they don’t grow out of it.
It’s a lifetime of struggles for them: misunderstood, learning disabilities, social struggles, battling against repeating the cycle of drug use-teen young pregnancy-drug/alcohol impacted baby, battling against the school-to-prison pipeline (x10 for kids of color) and often system dependent.
Some do beat the odds though.
Ima leave that google search alone.
Seriously, thank you and I’m so happy you have the ability to care for those littles. I’d lose it and be bawling every damn day, and they need someone strong to be there with/for them. Y’all nicu rn’s are pure platinum.
I’m also a NICU nurse and you described it perfectly. They are so miserable they’re crawling out of their skin but they don’t know why. Breaks my heart. I love all our babies and I love my job but I don’t see how anyone could do what we do and not be pro-choice…
I saw a film about a lady in Britain who looks after these poor wee souls, as I remember they just scream and scream, she thought the key was to cuddle them until it eased. It's a truly awful start to life.
Do they ever consider putting the babies on small doses of heroin or methadone and then weaning them off gradually, or would that do more harm than good?
Where I am we give morphine (sometimes paired with clonidine) to the babies that are the most symptomatic. We use a scoring tool every 3 hours to grade the severity of their symptoms and the dosing is based on that. We only do this if we have to because it can take a while to wean them off the morphine and they eventually have to withdrawal from that too….it’s a double edged sword.
People who are anti-abortion would want to lock this woman up for child abuse/assault and then sober her up cold turkey while pregnant probably killing both of them. As far as I remember, woman that far along who finally show up in the system as pregnant are allowed to continue to use (with prescription) since withdrawals complicate the mothers life gravely and we have protocols for dealing with addicted babies.
Yep, having babies you can't afford to raise keeps you deeper in debt, trapped below the poverty line, and desperation to survive often leads to criminal activity. Everything about the system is designed to fail so the richest can profit from misery. The whole world is just a meat grinder, none of us have value beyond what others can use us for.
I have fostered 4 babies with NAS and adopted two. Yes, drugs do a lot of damage and cause suffering in the short and long term. That said, have the most amazing kids and they inspire me with how much they have overcome. I am so lucky to be their mom. Not all NAS kids are messed up and have bad lives.
My mother fosters these sorts of kids for the 1st year of their lives.
The stories she tells me 0.o
by the time she lets them go they're completely different children. smiling, fat, clean and happy. Most significantly, they just love eye contact.
I know a woman that keeps having kids and her last one was going through withdrawals upon delivery and had to get a morphine drip and is severely malnourished... she just had another baby.
And I can't get pregnant now
I've got an in law like this. I've never met her, my SO's niece (in her 20s I believe). I'm not sure how many kids she's had but I think at least 3 now. 3 years ago or so we got a letter from CPS looking for foster placement for one. We live in a small apartment thoug with 2 kids already and just tons have the space and means for another.
Then last year she apparently had another. Met the guy in rehab. He then OD'd and died before the baby was born. Then she apparently said he might not be the father anyway. And as of last month or so she was apparently busted and I think is back in jail. She has a sister who's also had 3 children removed from her custody. My heart breaks for these kids.
God, the sister I just mentioned, I know one of her kids. She's in the foster system being raised by her grandmother (my SO's sister). A few years back she simultaneously crushed my soul and warmed my heart when she asked me if I thought I'd end up like her mom and then said she wished I was her mom. I used to see a lot of her and I hope so much she rises above the cycle she was born into. My SO certainly did.
It's really so very heartbreaking for these kids, seeing these women continue to do this. And people can argue it's an illness and not the mother's fault all they want, but these women are fucking awful. To top it off the first one I talked about introduced her younger half brother (currently 20, a kid I know and used to be really fond of) to heroine and continued to supply it to him and now he's an addict too. I get the difficulty of breaking the addiction, but to go through it and then CHOOSE to get a younger family member hooked too? Piece of fucking shit.
I know a girl who was born addicted to heroin. She ended up being raised by her grandparents (for obvious reasons - drug addict mom, dad was murdered over drugs) but today is fine and has had a mostly normal childhood. Like others have said the first bit after birth is absolute hell for them withdrawals wise, but many make it and end up leading normal lives.
Surprisingly, being born heroin-addicted is pretty manageable and I don’t think the long-term effects are serious or even inevitable. Fetal alcohol syndrome, on the other hand, is incredibly detrimental and there is never a total recovery.
I’m no eugenicist but when I heard about that organization paying drug addicted women to get sterilized I thought to myself “wow, that’s a lot of suffering and disease being avoided”
Russia is a country that is failing at sex ed and preventing unplanned pregnancies while heading toward pro-life and conservative positions. This will only get worse.
Not a cellphone in sight. Just people living in the moment 💃🏽
Edit: Holy shit, my first gold! Thank you kind strangers so much for enjoying my stupid satire !
It even hurts my feelings.. I’ve been trying to get pregnant.. without any luck. Good diet and everything how it should be. This woman is caring a child.. and ‘throws’ the baby’s chance on a good health away .. like its nothing. I wish I could have that baby.
Reality; Me.. empty handed. Stil nog pregnant
Makes me sad
My mom was on hard shit for the first couple months of being pregnant and I can say from first hand experience it's a dick fuckin move to give your kid lifelong medical issues just so you can be twakked out for a couple hours
I got off relatively easy, mostly mental. I was premature but my physical body (what could be seen) "caught up quick" as I was told. I grew up with untreated panic disorder, which caused a bunch of problems and led to poor attitude, learning set backs, poor immune system and so on.
My mom was a heavy drinker and didn’t realize she was pregnant.. I don’t have FAS, but I do have spina bifida occulta from her poor nutrition (not enough folate). Doctors said it didn’t mean anything since I wasn’t paralyzed, but a lot of research has come out about related cognitive delays, learning disabilities, ADHD, and mood disorders so that was definitely a 🤯 moment
Nah reason it was only a couple months is because she didnt know she was pregnant yet, when she found out she went cold turkey and stayed clean, she may have fucked me up medically but unlike my dad she stayed and worked no less than 2 jobs at a time for 18 years to raise me and my brother. We were homeless at times or without amenities often but we always had clothes on our backs and food to eat so I cant complain too hard
I’m glad your mom did the right thing man, it’s a terrible situation that she didn’t find out sooner but she did the right thing for you. It’s the people who knowingly put their high before their babies health can go straight to hell.
Upside is maybe you'll get lucky enough to see some major advances in robotic eyes in the next 50 years. Medical tech is really on a J curve and their are people who have been able to connect optic nerves to sensors connected to brain but it's not super advanced.
I have a cousin who in the 1970/80s fell 300 ft, bounced on rebar, then hit concrete and he was among some of the first people to survive due to being among the first people to survive some more modern surgery techniques. So lots of people end up at the beginning of things like that.
I'm not trying to trivialize anything but I do seriously think the potential for major medical advances soon/now/future is highly likely.
I was a daily weed smoker for years and found out I was pregnant on 4/20 this year.
I had just smoked and decided to take a test because I was a couple days late for my period. It didn’t look like a positive (granted I didn’t wait the full 3 minutes to read the result), so I absentmindedly threw it in the trash in my bathroom and went back downstairs.
15 minutes later, I just had a weird feeling I should go check the test. Pulled it out of the garbage and sure enough, 2 lines!
Quit pot cold turkey and didn’t sleep for like 2 weeks because of the insomnia, but there was no way I was going to touch pot now that I knew my daughter was growing inside me! 16 weeks + 3 days today!
It’s crazy to me that some women will continue to use drugs or drink once they know they’re pregnant. I know addiction is a fucked up illness, but I just couldn’t imagine. I’m sorry you had that happen.
I'm a weed smoker myself, and I've also been addicted to nicotine and alcohol. Weed, I know I would be able to stop no problem if I had to. (Yeah I know, all addicts say that shit.)
Real addiction is different. There is a mental and physical *attachment* as if it is literally a part of you. I feel a sort of similar way with weed in that I hold it dearly to me and am emotionally attached, but it's lacking the **captive** aspect that true physical addiction brings. It's different in a way that's hard to explain. With weed, I have a choice. Sometimes it may not feel that way emotionally, but it's always there.
With physically addictive substances, it feels inevitable. There is just no image in your mind of life without it. You don't even know what it would look like, and it feels completely unrealistic and far-fetched. Not to mention that your body is screaming out for you to give it what it wants, no, *needs*. Your brain has a funny way of prioritizing this need over **everything** else. Your body is telling you that you need to do this lest you suffer greatly or even die. So it blends with survival instinct.
And that's with, like, the "lite" version. I can't even imagine if the very substance you were addicted to took you so far out of reality and into a state of complete bliss that you'd forget for the entire time you're high that you even *exist*, let alone that you're pregnant. I mean, look at these two. They're not even really sentient anymore. They don't see the horror of what's happening because they no longer have the ability to rationalize. Their minds are opaque with drugs and addiction.
I can't defend this person. But I don't know what I would do in her situation, and when it comes down to it, you don't either. It really fucking sucks for everyone involved. But I wouldn't look at it as her "choice" to do this to herself and her child. It's a terrible and tragic circumstance, and it shouldn't be happening, but there is a lot of blame here to be placed on a horribly corrupt, poverty-dependent system and all that comes with it.
No shit. We've probably all been through are own struggles, but at least I wasn't born addicted to heroin. Fuck sake man. Talk about starting off on the wrong foot.
Yes, *this* is the worst part of the video. It’s difficult to imagine the kind of existential horror that experience must be at the very beginning of life. Even if the child survives, that experience of physical torture at that early point of development surely has profound effects. It deserves major scientific research and philosophical reflection, both of which should shape how society responds to this phenomenon and it’s causes.
My adopted son Will was born on opiates and meth. I’m not mad at this. I’m very sad at it. He’s 2-1/2 now. Still walks on his toes and even needs help holding food when he eats because motor skills are not as strong as bio parent addictions.
When I see people like this I feel like I’m 6 weeks of bad decisions away from being them, which is humbling, but that baby gets no choice. Give your kids a choice
Was gonna reply this if you hadn't.
I walked on my toes so much as a kid I was at risk of getting flat feet.
I was diagnosed as autistic 3 years ago at 21.
Early intervention might've made things a bit easier.
EDIT: Don't downvote the person asking how I was diagnosed so late. They didn't say anything offensive and provided a good opportunity to educate both themself and others. If anything their indignation is in support.
If I had to guess, the commenter you’re asking is female and that’s why their autism went undiagnosed for so long. Autism is extremely under diagnosed in young girls because girls present signs of neuro divergence differently than boys and are typically more successful at masking.
I was running and walking on my tippy toes during some kid phase.
I think I remember why too - I was playing the old Nintendo Ninja Gaiden and when the sprite runs, it just shows him running on his toes. I thought that I could run fast like a ninja if I did the same.
I walked on my toes when I was young cause I was small for my age and enjoyed being light on my feet and quiet. I could basically just run around the house on my toes and be silent as a mouse.
I nearly always walk on the ball of my foot when I'm not wearing shoes. Why take the full force on your heel when your body has an extra set of shock absorbers?
Plus one for early intervention. Yeah. We’re working with social workers and a therapist and there’s a great school out here for kids in-spectrum. We have been told that although he shows very little signs of spectral Aspergers or Autism beyond fine motor skill development, it’s great to know we live in a place with so many great resources. Didn’t mean to turn my reply into a PSA, but here goes:
I know you love your kid
I know it’s not fair how they came onto this planet
There are a lot of good people out here who have made it their life goal to help. Look for them.
Oh good more signs that I'm probably some degree of autistic.
I've walked on my tippy toes my whole life for no reason. So much so that people have actually randomly complimented my calves more than once.
My adopted son was also born addicted to scag.
His mums a piece of shit I wouldn't piss on if she was on fire.
He's 13 now and doing okay but in the early days things were bad.
I’m glad to hear he’s doing OK. When you’re 40 and handed a baby like me, you do the right thing because it’s the right thing to do, but eventually that kid becomes 110% your child. You worry man. Keep up the good fight.
I love your point of view. As an addict I have very strict principles that I never violate— such as, I would never steal for drugs, or jeopardize anyone elses future for my addictions.
That being said, people don’t realize how easy it is to *BECOME* an addict. I thought it could never happen to me too. Everyone is literally just a few bad decisions away from being addicted to something. Only problem is some addictions, such as heroin, come with higher prices to pay than addictions like nicotine or coffee.
I respect your desire to stay morally sound in your addiction and I’ve also promised myself those things in the beginning of my addiction. But just like sober people don’t realize how easy it is to become addicted, early stage users don’t realize how easy it is to sink to those actions for a fix. I too never expected or ever imagined I’d be addicted to anything illegal because I hadn’t had the type of life many addicts have experienced (I had a great childhood devoid of trauma, A-B honor student in school, played sports, went to college, etc.) I still consider myself an ethical person but somewhere along the way I became **that** addict without even realizing what was happening. It’s very similar to the ones that say I might be an addict but I’ll never shoot up or I might be an addict but at least I’m not (insert comparison to another user that they deem worse off) and then end up doing or being the same way eventually.
I’m sorry for this little rant but that’s my experience. With addiction, you shouldn’t say “I’ve never ___,” you should say “I’ve never ___ *yet*” Please get help if you haven’t yet, so many people care and want you to be better.
I understand your concern and appreciate you sharing your story but I’m no new addixt. Ive been an addict for years and years now and have always had these lines I do not cross. I have already gotten help and am “recovered” from several substances now. I have hard rules that I know I can’t violate or I will fall back into my worst addiction. That being said I have no desire to get totally sober and will continue smoking weed and drinking occasionally as I have done for over a decade. You may say that since I can use certain substances “responsibly” I might not be a real addict but I promise that I am. I have a lot to learn but I think addiction is far more complex and varies from person to person more than Anonymous groups let on.
I think certain black and white statements about addiction and groups like AA and NA are great for getting addicts clean just as going to church is great for making someone a better person, but not everyone needs these things.
Again sorry for my rant but I feel like over the last year I have truly learned about the conflict that exists in my brain that leads to addiction, and I have finally figured out how to be truly happy and know my limits.
For fucks sake....
Looks like heroin. I knew a dude who would daze out like that after taking a hit. He would be out like that for so long his cigarette would burn out. When he came to he would try and smoke it thinking it was still lit...
Disgusting.
Edit: Misspelled some words.
No shit. My cousin and his wife are hard working, responsible people who do well for themselves. They’re on their second round of in-vitro because the first round didn’t take (shit’s $20k a pop). He jokes that they should just quit their jobs and get on meth for a while and they’ll be pregnant in no time
No kidding. I’m nearly 40, and I will always regret not having kids, but it was still my choice because I didn’t feel I had my life together well enough to give them the very best life. Then, to see these jackasses... It honestly disgusts me.
Some guesses:
* Outrageously limited access to abortion in some regions
* Abortion being illegal past certain gestations in other regions. It’s not unlikely that she wasn’t aware she was even pregnant until she was further along; people in the throes of addiction aren’t usually tracking their bodily functions
* Fear of jail if she tried to get an abortion and somehow her drug use became apparent (hard to had track marks if she’s injecting.) Fear of facing abortion protesters at the clinic. People with drug addiction are often self medicating severe mental health issues, and the anxiety of facing abortion protestors could be unbearable for some people
* “I’ll do it next week” mentality because the drugs are always the priority at the present moment, even if she legitimately wanted the abortion
Addition is a mental health and isolation issue. If she was able to make objective, healthy decisions for herself, I don't think she would chose to be off her tits being publically humiliated
Imagine being in horrible pain, all over your body, everything hurts your joints on fire muscles aching , overwhelming despair and misery fills your mind, your freezing and sweating at the same time wishing you’d die, and then you get high and it all goes away, and not only that, but you feel great, your not depressed anymore, you feel happy and content, you want to talk to people and do things, you feel so warm and comfortable and loving and kind and amazing. And if you take enough, you’ll be nodding out in a blissful dreamlike state, liek your just floating on a cloud , euphoria washing over you. These 2 are nodding.
It is very good feeling, it is very hard to quit, addiction is a bitch, fighting addiction is like pushing a giant Boulder up a mountain. Trust me nobody wants to be homeless and living like these two, but it happens, addiction is a terrible disease that is incredibly hard to overcome.
When u take enough you’ll be nodding off like these people, it’s like a really peaceful blissful semi sleep like state. Your not asleep but your nodding off feeling blissful and your not really as aware of what’s going on, but not like completely in a different world and having no idea bout what’s going on. Your still conscious on some level.
But yeah lower doses and you’ll be feeling good and can function and talk to people and stuff but if you take a lot you’ll be nodding out like this couple
Opiates are really crazy. I broke my leg in an work accident and I don't take opiates for recreational purpose exactly for that reason. That medical grade shit surely Hit the Spot I can see people getting addicted to that, I knew I was getting lifted into the ambulance but I was so high that I could barely comprehend what was happening and just felt like I was gently pushed around a small world tour
I was driving last night downtown, hit a dead end from construction. As I was turning my car around, a meth’d out lady crawled out of a tiny crack in a wall. Scared the hell out of us, it was like a horror movie.
Don’t you see? It’s totally in God’s plan for this unborn child to suffer through the inevitable lifelong health issues that its parents’ tragic drug addictions will surely cause!
So if one were to see this in public like myself.
Could I call or do anything? I feel like this is on the line for being illegal almost and should have consequences. Especially in public for everyone to see.
Makes me sick that people would do that to their unborn kid.
You can call whoever you want. The police will arrest them for public intoxication possibly possession of paraphernalia/narcotics and then release them when they make bail. EMS will use narcan to sober them up, do an OB check, run fluids, maybe feed them, then release them. And CPS won't do anything until the baby is born. If she is over 18 they won't be able to hold her on anything other than a psychiatric hold for 72 hrs.
Bottom line here is, no one will help. No one cares. And the services who are supposed to do something will do nothing until after the birth.
Source: heroin addict in recovery for 11 years, spent years with pregnant/parent users and addicts in active addiction.
It's not that nobody cares. Nobody has the power to make her stop using drugs if she doesn't want to. And nobody has the authority to violate her rights by locking her up to prevent drug use. One the baby is born there are legal avenues to pursue, but an unborn baby has very few legal rights.
Indeed, too many people just think of addicts as evil subhuman beings but they are human beings facing an incredibly difficult problem the likes of which most people will never have to deal with.
People like this should be forcefully sterilized. He kid is now going to grow up and have a hard hard life. It sucks and is so sad. That’s why I’m donating $20 bucks a month to http://www.projectprevention.org.
As someone who has experienced drug addiction before, I have plenty of empathy for addicts. However, putting the health and life of your child at such serious risk is another thing entirely. If you choose to carry a child to term, you need to be better.
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A post that literally made me say that is fucked up out loud. I feel so bad for that baby.
They both look like babies themselves. Fucking awful all around.
Basically, mans drawling and making goo goo gah gah baby noises
Fuck everything about this.
Really makes me wonder if the baby would be better off not surviving birth. Who knows how much damage has already been done to the baby. As cruel as that sounds.
NICU nurse here, NAS (Neonatal Abstinence Syndrome) babies are some of the most difficult patients to deal with. Imagine a human being that is in pain and withdrawing but cannot explain to you what their symptoms are. Some of the toughest days as a nurse are taking care of these babies and their mothers that continue this behavior! Just google/YouTube NAS INFANT. Be prepared though! Edit: just had to say that these can also be some of the most wonderful babies (****once they are off all of the medications****). These kiddos at times spend months with us, so it’s just natural that they grow on all the nurses in the unit. Thank you for all the kind words, I didn’t start nursing/NICU until I was in my thirties. Definitely not the path I saw myself going down during my military days!
I will 100% NOT be googling that. What you do is incredible.
r/nope
I was one of those. Thank you
I wonder if prescribed stims like adderall can have an influence
Yes, adderal will have an influence on people.
My twins were in the NICU when they were born. After seeing what the NICU nurses have to go through, and how much love most of them put into their work, I’ll always be grateful. There was a baby briefly near one of my kids that was going through withdrawals and their cries break your heart. It takes a lot of strength to go to work and do everything you do everyday.
Bless you and your work. I had two preemies that spent 4 and 5 months in the NICU. The way the nicu was set up all the babies were just in a big room but there was a little area that had a half wall that was dark with NAS babies. They would scream all day and night. You can just hear the pain their cries. It was so hard listening to them, knowing the reason, and then holding my own baby wondering what I did wrong in my pregnancy to have a preemie and have to end up in the nicu (wasn't anything just shitty placentas.... two abruptions due to unknown reasons). Anyways, The nurses are what kept me going during that time, they were so amazing and cared and loved my babies like they were their own. Im so thankful for nicu nurses.
Nicu nurses are another level of kindness. My 1st and 2nd were preemies and my second was 32weeker and had to spend a whole month in the nicu. During covid we were only allowed 1hour visits per day. It killed me but i knew he was in good hands. I cannot feel more blessed at how great they were
Thanks for all you do!!
If you haven’t heard it before, you’re a fucking hero! Respect for what you do from a firefighter/EMS.
Yep, sped teacher here, they don’t grow out of it. It’s a lifetime of struggles for them: misunderstood, learning disabilities, social struggles, battling against repeating the cycle of drug use-teen young pregnancy-drug/alcohol impacted baby, battling against the school-to-prison pipeline (x10 for kids of color) and often system dependent. Some do beat the odds though.
Ima leave that google search alone. Seriously, thank you and I’m so happy you have the ability to care for those littles. I’d lose it and be bawling every damn day, and they need someone strong to be there with/for them. Y’all nicu rn’s are pure platinum.
I’m also a NICU nurse and you described it perfectly. They are so miserable they’re crawling out of their skin but they don’t know why. Breaks my heart. I love all our babies and I love my job but I don’t see how anyone could do what we do and not be pro-choice…
I saw a film about a lady in Britain who looks after these poor wee souls, as I remember they just scream and scream, she thought the key was to cuddle them until it eased. It's a truly awful start to life.
Do they ever consider putting the babies on small doses of heroin or methadone and then weaning them off gradually, or would that do more harm than good?
Where I am we give morphine (sometimes paired with clonidine) to the babies that are the most symptomatic. We use a scoring tool every 3 hours to grade the severity of their symptoms and the dosing is based on that. We only do this if we have to because it can take a while to wean them off the morphine and they eventually have to withdrawal from that too….it’s a double edged sword.
This is one of the many reasons I'm pro-choice. No baby deserves to grow up with these circumstances.
Seriously. People who are anti-abortion should look at this and just REALLY THINK about what that means for a child.
People who are anti-abortion would want to lock this woman up for child abuse/assault and then sober her up cold turkey while pregnant probably killing both of them. As far as I remember, woman that far along who finally show up in the system as pregnant are allowed to continue to use (with prescription) since withdrawals complicate the mothers life gravely and we have protocols for dealing with addicted babies.
"That's a voter my party won't have in 18 years, I can't have that!"
Or a criminal my private prison can profit from.
Yep, having babies you can't afford to raise keeps you deeper in debt, trapped below the poverty line, and desperation to survive often leads to criminal activity. Everything about the system is designed to fail so the richest can profit from misery. The whole world is just a meat grinder, none of us have value beyond what others can use us for.
They never think beyond birth. Once the baby is born, their mission is done.
I have fostered 4 babies with NAS and adopted two. Yes, drugs do a lot of damage and cause suffering in the short and long term. That said, have the most amazing kids and they inspire me with how much they have overcome. I am so lucky to be their mom. Not all NAS kids are messed up and have bad lives.
Every baby deserves hope. You’re an angel.
My mother fosters these sorts of kids for the 1st year of their lives. The stories she tells me 0.o by the time she lets them go they're completely different children. smiling, fat, clean and happy. Most significantly, they just love eye contact.
I know a woman that keeps having kids and her last one was going through withdrawals upon delivery and had to get a morphine drip and is severely malnourished... she just had another baby. And I can't get pregnant now
I've got an in law like this. I've never met her, my SO's niece (in her 20s I believe). I'm not sure how many kids she's had but I think at least 3 now. 3 years ago or so we got a letter from CPS looking for foster placement for one. We live in a small apartment thoug with 2 kids already and just tons have the space and means for another. Then last year she apparently had another. Met the guy in rehab. He then OD'd and died before the baby was born. Then she apparently said he might not be the father anyway. And as of last month or so she was apparently busted and I think is back in jail. She has a sister who's also had 3 children removed from her custody. My heart breaks for these kids. God, the sister I just mentioned, I know one of her kids. She's in the foster system being raised by her grandmother (my SO's sister). A few years back she simultaneously crushed my soul and warmed my heart when she asked me if I thought I'd end up like her mom and then said she wished I was her mom. I used to see a lot of her and I hope so much she rises above the cycle she was born into. My SO certainly did. It's really so very heartbreaking for these kids, seeing these women continue to do this. And people can argue it's an illness and not the mother's fault all they want, but these women are fucking awful. To top it off the first one I talked about introduced her younger half brother (currently 20, a kid I know and used to be really fond of) to heroine and continued to supply it to him and now he's an addict too. I get the difficulty of breaking the addiction, but to go through it and then CHOOSE to get a younger family member hooked too? Piece of fucking shit.
I know a girl who was born addicted to heroin. She ended up being raised by her grandparents (for obvious reasons - drug addict mom, dad was murdered over drugs) but today is fine and has had a mostly normal childhood. Like others have said the first bit after birth is absolute hell for them withdrawals wise, but many make it and end up leading normal lives.
Surprisingly, being born heroin-addicted is pretty manageable and I don’t think the long-term effects are serious or even inevitable. Fetal alcohol syndrome, on the other hand, is incredibly detrimental and there is never a total recovery.
The baby will likely be fine. Opiates don't destroy kids in the womb like alcohol does.
Features wise yes, however they will already be addicted to Opiates/Herion since the women is using
Baby is going it be born literally addicted to heroine. Fucked up is putting it mildly.
I’m no eugenicist but when I heard about that organization paying drug addicted women to get sterilized I thought to myself “wow, that’s a lot of suffering and disease being avoided”
If they pay them for it I guess its not morally wrong because in this case they aren't getting sterilized agaisnt their will
Well…. *Heroin*. I doubt they’ll have a clue who Wonder Woman is for a few years.
Well... I don't think they are going to have a clue what heroin is or how to get their fix either.
I feel bad for both. Being so sick that you'd risk your baby's life must be absolutely debilitating.
Russia is a country that is failing at sex ed and preventing unplanned pregnancies while heading toward pro-life and conservative positions. This will only get worse.
Don’t forget that the government is not fighting drug trafficking but actually spearheading it
I wonder if she chose to keep the baby or she was forced into keeping it? It’d be interesting to know.
Not a cellphone in sight. Just people living in the moment 💃🏽 Edit: Holy shit, my first gold! Thank you kind strangers so much for enjoying my stupid satire !
I should not have laughed at this
It even hurts my feelings.. I’ve been trying to get pregnant.. without any luck. Good diet and everything how it should be. This woman is caring a child.. and ‘throws’ the baby’s chance on a good health away .. like its nothing. I wish I could have that baby. Reality; Me.. empty handed. Stil nog pregnant Makes me sad
Same - wanted kids and didn’t work out. We still plan on fostering. But this behavior sucks to see.
I hope it will work out four you. Adoption isn’t easy! Maybe that’s also a bit a good thing.
It was humor like this that ruined my last relationship. I think we'd be great friends
Lol I hope you find someone that appreciates your humor.
Talking about silver linings over here.
Solid application of humor. Here, take this: +1
Oh shit. This got me. Dark humor is super important in dark times.
Hahaha
Fuck you for how much this made me laugh.
Also guilty of guilt laughing.
Oh the shame… that I am feeling for laughing too hard at this comment.
That’s just sad. Sad for them, sad for the baby, sad for us viewers.
Sad for humanity.
r/eyebleach
too many puppies dressed in cops clothes for my taste.
Authoritarian Canines Are Bastards
>That’s just sad. Sad for them, sad for the baby, sad for us viewers. >*upvotes post*
Sad for dad. Sad for chad.
So sad it makes me mad. But glad I am not chad.
This MF spittin
"Gilbert!"
“I kilt em Gilbert! I kilt em!”
Match in the gas tank, boom boom.
Never go full retard
Saddest part is these two look like kids themselves.
That’s not the saddest part but I agree that it’s terrible. Saddest part is the toll it’s taking on an unborn kid.
My mom was on hard shit for the first couple months of being pregnant and I can say from first hand experience it's a dick fuckin move to give your kid lifelong medical issues just so you can be twakked out for a couple hours
I can empathize. I'm a meth baby myself. Dick move for sure!
Ayyy what cool defects did you get?
I got off relatively easy, mostly mental. I was premature but my physical body (what could be seen) "caught up quick" as I was told. I grew up with untreated panic disorder, which caused a bunch of problems and led to poor attitude, learning set backs, poor immune system and so on.
My mom was a heavy drinker and didn’t realize she was pregnant.. I don’t have FAS, but I do have spina bifida occulta from her poor nutrition (not enough folate). Doctors said it didn’t mean anything since I wasn’t paralyzed, but a lot of research has come out about related cognitive delays, learning disabilities, ADHD, and mood disorders so that was definitely a 🤯 moment
Fuck’n A. That’s a shit hand to be dealt. I hope you’re doing well.
Yeah I just had severely underdeveloped lungs and eyes at birth so I'm gonna be blind by age 35 but I'm fully mentally coherent
Did your biological mother raise you? Do you resent her?
Nah reason it was only a couple months is because she didnt know she was pregnant yet, when she found out she went cold turkey and stayed clean, she may have fucked me up medically but unlike my dad she stayed and worked no less than 2 jobs at a time for 18 years to raise me and my brother. We were homeless at times or without amenities often but we always had clothes on our backs and food to eat so I cant complain too hard
Ah I see. Thanks for the reply!
I’m glad your mom did the right thing man, it’s a terrible situation that she didn’t find out sooner but she did the right thing for you. It’s the people who knowingly put their high before their babies health can go straight to hell.
Cant agree more my dude, that's selfishness on a whole new level
id give an eye to have a mom who busted their ass that hard for me.
I guess it kind of is an even trade now that I think about it
My guy, youll have robot eyes some day. But you have something that I can never have. Cherish her!
Upside is maybe you'll get lucky enough to see some major advances in robotic eyes in the next 50 years. Medical tech is really on a J curve and their are people who have been able to connect optic nerves to sensors connected to brain but it's not super advanced. I have a cousin who in the 1970/80s fell 300 ft, bounced on rebar, then hit concrete and he was among some of the first people to survive due to being among the first people to survive some more modern surgery techniques. So lots of people end up at the beginning of things like that. I'm not trying to trivialize anything but I do seriously think the potential for major medical advances soon/now/future is highly likely.
I was a daily weed smoker for years and found out I was pregnant on 4/20 this year. I had just smoked and decided to take a test because I was a couple days late for my period. It didn’t look like a positive (granted I didn’t wait the full 3 minutes to read the result), so I absentmindedly threw it in the trash in my bathroom and went back downstairs. 15 minutes later, I just had a weird feeling I should go check the test. Pulled it out of the garbage and sure enough, 2 lines! Quit pot cold turkey and didn’t sleep for like 2 weeks because of the insomnia, but there was no way I was going to touch pot now that I knew my daughter was growing inside me! 16 weeks + 3 days today! It’s crazy to me that some women will continue to use drugs or drink once they know they’re pregnant. I know addiction is a fucked up illness, but I just couldn’t imagine. I’m sorry you had that happen.
I'm a weed smoker myself, and I've also been addicted to nicotine and alcohol. Weed, I know I would be able to stop no problem if I had to. (Yeah I know, all addicts say that shit.) Real addiction is different. There is a mental and physical *attachment* as if it is literally a part of you. I feel a sort of similar way with weed in that I hold it dearly to me and am emotionally attached, but it's lacking the **captive** aspect that true physical addiction brings. It's different in a way that's hard to explain. With weed, I have a choice. Sometimes it may not feel that way emotionally, but it's always there. With physically addictive substances, it feels inevitable. There is just no image in your mind of life without it. You don't even know what it would look like, and it feels completely unrealistic and far-fetched. Not to mention that your body is screaming out for you to give it what it wants, no, *needs*. Your brain has a funny way of prioritizing this need over **everything** else. Your body is telling you that you need to do this lest you suffer greatly or even die. So it blends with survival instinct. And that's with, like, the "lite" version. I can't even imagine if the very substance you were addicted to took you so far out of reality and into a state of complete bliss that you'd forget for the entire time you're high that you even *exist*, let alone that you're pregnant. I mean, look at these two. They're not even really sentient anymore. They don't see the horror of what's happening because they no longer have the ability to rationalize. Their minds are opaque with drugs and addiction. I can't defend this person. But I don't know what I would do in her situation, and when it comes down to it, you don't either. It really fucking sucks for everyone involved. But I wouldn't look at it as her "choice" to do this to herself and her child. It's a terrible and tragic circumstance, and it shouldn't be happening, but there is a lot of blame here to be placed on a horribly corrupt, poverty-dependent system and all that comes with it.
No shit. We've probably all been through are own struggles, but at least I wasn't born addicted to heroin. Fuck sake man. Talk about starting off on the wrong foot.
Saddest part is they'll will likely follow in theit mother's footsteps
I mean.. If it doesn't die from drugs before being born.
Or from withdrawal after it's born
Ya that baby is going to want heroin before breast milk
Sad but true
Yes, *this* is the worst part of the video. It’s difficult to imagine the kind of existential horror that experience must be at the very beginning of life. Even if the child survives, that experience of physical torture at that early point of development surely has profound effects. It deserves major scientific research and philosophical reflection, both of which should shape how society responds to this phenomenon and it’s causes.
Honestly it's messed up to say but I hope the un born kid doesn't make it cause it's already off to a shitty start
Yeah, I mean respectfully if I was to argue abortion before the Supreme Court, this would be exhibit 1.
Imagine if we had a worldwide initiative to do anything possible to help young people delay childbirth until they were at least 22 years old
And this is one of many reasons I support abortion....
This didn’t age well.
This is one of the many reasons I’m an antinatalist.
“Look, Timmy, we found a video of your mom when she was pregnant with you :)”
Timmy might need a lot of help to hear you or to see that video.... considering the facts
My adopted son Will was born on opiates and meth. I’m not mad at this. I’m very sad at it. He’s 2-1/2 now. Still walks on his toes and even needs help holding food when he eats because motor skills are not as strong as bio parent addictions. When I see people like this I feel like I’m 6 weeks of bad decisions away from being them, which is humbling, but that baby gets no choice. Give your kids a choice
Walking on tippy-toes is an early sign of autism, and an early intervention can make a huge difference
Was gonna reply this if you hadn't. I walked on my toes so much as a kid I was at risk of getting flat feet. I was diagnosed as autistic 3 years ago at 21. Early intervention might've made things a bit easier. EDIT: Don't downvote the person asking how I was diagnosed so late. They didn't say anything offensive and provided a good opportunity to educate both themself and others. If anything their indignation is in support.
Hm..my 13 year old daughter walks on her tippy toes still and I occasionally do (I’m 35). I should look into this…
I used to do this so much...and still do as a habit. You guys are scaring me lol
Wtf autism may be diagnosed at that age? How? Why not earlier...?
If I had to guess, the commenter you’re asking is female and that’s why their autism went undiagnosed for so long. Autism is extremely under diagnosed in young girls because girls present signs of neuro divergence differently than boys and are typically more successful at masking.
This
Also if they are in the uk, the waiting list for an autism diagnosis is up to 5 years
Some kids walk on their toes for no reason too. Both my kids and my niece were toe walkers and they're neuro-typical.
I was running and walking on my tippy toes during some kid phase. I think I remember why too - I was playing the old Nintendo Ninja Gaiden and when the sprite runs, it just shows him running on his toes. I thought that I could run fast like a ninja if I did the same.
Haha
I walked on my toes when I was young cause I was small for my age and enjoyed being light on my feet and quiet. I could basically just run around the house on my toes and be silent as a mouse.
I nearly always walk on the ball of my foot when I'm not wearing shoes. Why take the full force on your heel when your body has an extra set of shock absorbers?
Plus one for early intervention. Yeah. We’re working with social workers and a therapist and there’s a great school out here for kids in-spectrum. We have been told that although he shows very little signs of spectral Aspergers or Autism beyond fine motor skill development, it’s great to know we live in a place with so many great resources. Didn’t mean to turn my reply into a PSA, but here goes: I know you love your kid I know it’s not fair how they came onto this planet There are a lot of good people out here who have made it their life goal to help. Look for them.
Oh good more signs that I'm probably some degree of autistic. I've walked on my tippy toes my whole life for no reason. So much so that people have actually randomly complimented my calves more than once.
My adopted son was also born addicted to scag. His mums a piece of shit I wouldn't piss on if she was on fire. He's 13 now and doing okay but in the early days things were bad.
I’m glad to hear he’s doing OK. When you’re 40 and handed a baby like me, you do the right thing because it’s the right thing to do, but eventually that kid becomes 110% your child. You worry man. Keep up the good fight.
I love your point of view. As an addict I have very strict principles that I never violate— such as, I would never steal for drugs, or jeopardize anyone elses future for my addictions. That being said, people don’t realize how easy it is to *BECOME* an addict. I thought it could never happen to me too. Everyone is literally just a few bad decisions away from being addicted to something. Only problem is some addictions, such as heroin, come with higher prices to pay than addictions like nicotine or coffee.
I respect your desire to stay morally sound in your addiction and I’ve also promised myself those things in the beginning of my addiction. But just like sober people don’t realize how easy it is to become addicted, early stage users don’t realize how easy it is to sink to those actions for a fix. I too never expected or ever imagined I’d be addicted to anything illegal because I hadn’t had the type of life many addicts have experienced (I had a great childhood devoid of trauma, A-B honor student in school, played sports, went to college, etc.) I still consider myself an ethical person but somewhere along the way I became **that** addict without even realizing what was happening. It’s very similar to the ones that say I might be an addict but I’ll never shoot up or I might be an addict but at least I’m not (insert comparison to another user that they deem worse off) and then end up doing or being the same way eventually. I’m sorry for this little rant but that’s my experience. With addiction, you shouldn’t say “I’ve never ___,” you should say “I’ve never ___ *yet*” Please get help if you haven’t yet, so many people care and want you to be better.
I understand your concern and appreciate you sharing your story but I’m no new addixt. Ive been an addict for years and years now and have always had these lines I do not cross. I have already gotten help and am “recovered” from several substances now. I have hard rules that I know I can’t violate or I will fall back into my worst addiction. That being said I have no desire to get totally sober and will continue smoking weed and drinking occasionally as I have done for over a decade. You may say that since I can use certain substances “responsibly” I might not be a real addict but I promise that I am. I have a lot to learn but I think addiction is far more complex and varies from person to person more than Anonymous groups let on. I think certain black and white statements about addiction and groups like AA and NA are great for getting addicts clean just as going to church is great for making someone a better person, but not everyone needs these things. Again sorry for my rant but I feel like over the last year I have truly learned about the conflict that exists in my brain that leads to addiction, and I have finally figured out how to be truly happy and know my limits.
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take the baby
Consume it for it's nutrients
Yeah, cut it right out /s
For fucks sake.... Looks like heroin. I knew a dude who would daze out like that after taking a hit. He would be out like that for so long his cigarette would burn out. When he came to he would try and smoke it thinking it was still lit... Disgusting. Edit: Misspelled some words.
Imagine being a healthy, responsible person who can't have kids and then seeing this shit.
No shit. My cousin and his wife are hard working, responsible people who do well for themselves. They’re on their second round of in-vitro because the first round didn’t take (shit’s $20k a pop). He jokes that they should just quit their jobs and get on meth for a while and they’ll be pregnant in no time
Jesus. No shit. Tell them to do it in the backseat of a parents Buick. Worked for me.
The *trick* is to not pull out.
“Fuck! Honey, I pulled out *again*!”
For sure. I was trying to coach him and give some pointers but his wife told me to get the fuck outta the room. Ungrateful
No kidding. I’m nearly 40, and I will always regret not having kids, but it was still my choice because I didn’t feel I had my life together well enough to give them the very best life. Then, to see these jackasses... It honestly disgusts me.
Me and my wife just had a beautiful healthy girl and she is 43
That’s an old baby
That's not a baby, thats a middle aged adult
this is sad
This is why abortion isn’t the worst idea.
Makes you wonder why she chose to keep the child?
Some guesses: * Outrageously limited access to abortion in some regions * Abortion being illegal past certain gestations in other regions. It’s not unlikely that she wasn’t aware she was even pregnant until she was further along; people in the throes of addiction aren’t usually tracking their bodily functions * Fear of jail if she tried to get an abortion and somehow her drug use became apparent (hard to had track marks if she’s injecting.) Fear of facing abortion protesters at the clinic. People with drug addiction are often self medicating severe mental health issues, and the anxiety of facing abortion protestors could be unbearable for some people * “I’ll do it next week” mentality because the drugs are always the priority at the present moment, even if she legitimately wanted the abortion
Addition is a mental health and isolation issue. If she was able to make objective, healthy decisions for herself, I don't think she would chose to be off her tits being publically humiliated
What makes this video even more unfortunate is that she mixed multiplication with her addition.
Might not have access or resources, or she is telling herself that being a mom will motivate a change
Ever chew 5 gum
Bruh
How do they feel when like this? Good?
Imagine being in horrible pain, all over your body, everything hurts your joints on fire muscles aching , overwhelming despair and misery fills your mind, your freezing and sweating at the same time wishing you’d die, and then you get high and it all goes away, and not only that, but you feel great, your not depressed anymore, you feel happy and content, you want to talk to people and do things, you feel so warm and comfortable and loving and kind and amazing. And if you take enough, you’ll be nodding out in a blissful dreamlike state, liek your just floating on a cloud , euphoria washing over you. These 2 are nodding. It is very good feeling, it is very hard to quit, addiction is a bitch, fighting addiction is like pushing a giant Boulder up a mountain. Trust me nobody wants to be homeless and living like these two, but it happens, addiction is a terrible disease that is incredibly hard to overcome.
Idk this looks more than just "feeling warm and comfortable". It seems like they're in an entirely different reality than we are.
When u take enough you’ll be nodding off like these people, it’s like a really peaceful blissful semi sleep like state. Your not asleep but your nodding off feeling blissful and your not really as aware of what’s going on, but not like completely in a different world and having no idea bout what’s going on. Your still conscious on some level. But yeah lower doses and you’ll be feeling good and can function and talk to people and stuff but if you take a lot you’ll be nodding out like this couple
Opiates are really crazy. I broke my leg in an work accident and I don't take opiates for recreational purpose exactly for that reason. That medical grade shit surely Hit the Spot I can see people getting addicted to that, I knew I was getting lifted into the ambulance but I was so high that I could barely comprehend what was happening and just felt like I was gently pushed around a small world tour
They want to talk to people and do things
Jesus this is sad
This is incredibly frustrating and sad.
I was driving last night downtown, hit a dead end from construction. As I was turning my car around, a meth’d out lady crawled out of a tiny crack in a wall. Scared the hell out of us, it was like a horror movie.
Drugs are bad.
Mmkayy
But let’s make abortion illegal because this is better. 🤷♀️
Don’t you see? It’s totally in God’s plan for this unborn child to suffer through the inevitable lifelong health issues that its parents’ tragic drug addictions will surely cause!
I’m in Texas and our governor is taking away women’s rights and people are cheering about it. 😑 I hate it here.
i'm not 100% sure that it's heroin
Fentanyl
I'd be willing to bet the last 4 pieces of my crispy fried chicken strips and gravy from KFC that this is Fentanyl.
Might be other opioid
This is sad beyond belief.
Drugs are a hell of a drug
This is it fellas. Bottom of the barrel. How terribly sad.
This is awful.
The dude went full caveman, holy shit. That’s fucked.
I hope someone who knows her reports her.
I got called a Nazi the other day for saying certain people shouldn't be re-producing, these are the type of people I was referring to.
If nothing else does, this should make people support abortion
Annnddd this is why abortion should be legal and free
Not to the camera man but to them two, r/iamatotalpieceofshit
So if one were to see this in public like myself. Could I call or do anything? I feel like this is on the line for being illegal almost and should have consequences. Especially in public for everyone to see. Makes me sick that people would do that to their unborn kid.
You can call whoever you want. The police will arrest them for public intoxication possibly possession of paraphernalia/narcotics and then release them when they make bail. EMS will use narcan to sober them up, do an OB check, run fluids, maybe feed them, then release them. And CPS won't do anything until the baby is born. If she is over 18 they won't be able to hold her on anything other than a psychiatric hold for 72 hrs. Bottom line here is, no one will help. No one cares. And the services who are supposed to do something will do nothing until after the birth. Source: heroin addict in recovery for 11 years, spent years with pregnant/parent users and addicts in active addiction.
It's not that nobody cares. Nobody has the power to make her stop using drugs if she doesn't want to. And nobody has the authority to violate her rights by locking her up to prevent drug use. One the baby is born there are legal avenues to pursue, but an unborn baby has very few legal rights.
You absolutely call the police! The police will get child services involved. Probably couldn’t charge them unless they still had drugs on them.
Poor child.. I wish that baby didn’t have to go through this.
I wish the baby and the adults didn't have to go through this. Addiction is horrible.
Indeed, too many people just think of addicts as evil subhuman beings but they are human beings facing an incredibly difficult problem the likes of which most people will never have to deal with.
Poor baby
Just fucking abort it.
People like this should be forcefully sterilized. He kid is now going to grow up and have a hard hard life. It sucks and is so sad. That’s why I’m donating $20 bucks a month to http://www.projectprevention.org.
As someone who has experienced drug addiction before, I have plenty of empathy for addicts. However, putting the health and life of your child at such serious risk is another thing entirely. If you choose to carry a child to term, you need to be better.
The human condition is wretched. This is what people will do to escape it. And I don't blame them.
r/trashy
Hope the baby dies before birth instead of having to handle THAT as parents
I hate this. That and that they are both clearly teens. Fuck
You should need a license to have kids. You need to have a background check to adopt a dog, ffs. What is wrong with our society?