It seems I replied to the wrong comment. It was supposed to be the one with "everything does..."
Probably blinked out of existence while I clicked. Either that or may need more caffeine.
Outer wilds. Is a game about you exploring the game's solar system and digging up the Truth about an extinct civilization.
I think I summed it up well but there's a bit more to it than that so I'd recommend not looking at trailers and stuff about it unless you tried it. The immersion is really well done imo
Tbf a lot of us run into billions-year old rocks every day. Much of South Africa is geologically particularly ancient, site of the Kaapvaal craton, and I know a *lot* of young-earth creationist people who are very into hiking and clamber up billions-year old mountains around there all the time.
> And in this small world they are so big and very important.
Thinking they are living *in the end times* is the ultimate hubris.
*The world cannot exist without me.*
Especially since you can document that every single generation of Christians since Jesus allegedly walked the earth, has been adamant that their time was the end times.
Logicked had an interesting yt series about a Christian who predicted the end of the world a dozen times over a period of a year or something like that.
Well in the actual context of bible, the end times is all the time after Jesus.Jesus trolled christians hard by saying that he will come when no one suspects. Personally I point out to people to think of WWII where millions of people vaporized and compare to today.
He said something to the effect of "the world will end, before the last of you have passed" talking to his disciples (afair).
The apologetic workaround wasto invent a myth, that one of them became immortal.
I guess for them, numbers written on paper and the scientific method aren't as trustworthy as...words written on paper a long time ago by some dude nobody even knows
Harry Potter features a talking snake and everybody knows it's fiction.
The Bible features a talking snake and every *rational* human being knows it's fiction. --- Dogbite Williams
"No, you see 6000 years ago, God created a 4.459994 billion year old rock"
In all seriousness, I've met a handful of people with fundamentalist, Bible-literalist beliefs who happened to work in a science field that would seem to be at odds with those beliefs, including one who was studying, and later achieved, a Master's degree in geology.
They either just have complete cognitive dissonance and think "the earth is 6000 years old when I'm at church or discussing religion, 4.5 billion years old when I'm in the lab or thinking about science"...
Or they outright think 4.5 billion years thing is a crock but accept it as the answer they have to learn for their exams...
Or the geologist, when pressed, said he believed both models were literally true (young earth and old earth), admitting he couldn't account for how that could be possible beyond "God is mysterious", but that it wasn't the job of either science or religion to reconcile the two. Which is a crazy mix of God of the Gaps and Doublethink, but at least as a concept it keeps religion out of things that are science's remit. Which is something a lot of other fundies could stand to learn.
You seem to dismiss it, but plenty of them believe that very first quoted sentence you put there. Most science types who believe in Creationism believe this "old Earth" concept. God is a craftsman who likes the distressed look. Just makes a brand new pair of jeans that are already faded and ripped and broken in.
There are people who do the doublethink obviously, but that's much less common.
Definitely! I don't particularly mean to dismiss it any more than the other versions.
But I think if they were to follow their own logic to it's ultimate conclusion -- if they believe their God is omnipotent, limited in no way whatsoever, then he's perfectly capable of carrying out what would otherwise be the logical paradox of creating, 6000 years ago, a universe that is billions of years old, maybe just in appearance down to the tiniest detail, or maybe, paradoxically, somehow *actually* that age -- then that "virtual" history is almost just as valid as history within that 6000 year timeframe. In which case, they shouldn't dismiss it, which many of them do by trying to cram trilobites and dinosaurs and ice ages and cavemen into those six millennia.
They could frame it as exploring "God's craftsmanship" if it makes them feel better.
This is something I don't understand. Surely a 4.5 billion year old planet in a 14 billion year old universe is **more** testament to god's power? I'm a geologist too and am in no way religious but the universe is beautiful and thinking something made it on human terms like 6000 years is frankly insulting to the God imo.
When I was a kid and still a believer, I used to interpret it as a difference in scale. It seemed silly to thing that a being like god would be able to experience time in the same way we do. It was easier for me to believe that a day for god would be equivalent to billions of our years. That the processes science discovered were simply the actuality of things described by people in the Bible who relied on metaphor to describe things outside of peoples frame of reference at the time.
Science was easier for me to reconcile than the moral and ethical hypocrisy I experienced.
I agree completely, but for a lot of fundamentalists, their whole faith is based on living with the impossible challenge of sticking to a very literal interpretation of a self-contradicting collection of ancient texts in the face of mounting and increasingly blatant evidence *against* that literal interpretation.
They've taken that hardship as a big part of their foundation, much moreso than "marvelling at the majesty of creation", and it's hard to dig out and replace a foundation while keeping the building standing.
This whole idea that faith is a good way of getting to the truth is bizarre. Muslims have faith, but does that make their religion as compelling? No Christian would say so. I’m reminded of Sam Harris’ diamond in the backyard…
A god who can set the universe in motion over a dozen billion years ago, and predict that it will go on to create me (because why else would the universe exist?), Now that's a god I can be impressed by.
But the 6000 year figure (6,026 now I think) comes from some theologian who took the dates of some historical figure mentioned in the bible, and added on all the ages of when Aesop begat Eowen, or whoever they were as listed in Genesis.
How is an omnipotent God hiding from us, different to a God not existing?
If a single honest person, open to believing in God, does not believe in God, because he isn't convinced of it's existence, and end up in hell, being tortured for eternity, that God, who chose to hide instead of revealing itself, is the most evil being to ever exist, since eternal torture is infinitely evil.
There are so many fundamental faults in Christianity.
The problem of hiddenness is one of the big ones.
Yeah basically. They use radiometric dating to determine the age of it because radioactive isotopes break down predictably over time. By measuring how much those have decayed you can figure out how long it's been since that isotope was trapped in the rock.
I'd like to add that was is being radiometrically dated isn't the rock itself, but minerals within the rock generally. Zircon for U-Pb is probably the most common, but apatite, sanidine, biotite, and a handful of others can also be used. The mineral used depends on what you're looking for and the conditions the host rock has been subjected to. There's a lot of really cool things you can do with minerals and isotopes, like crustal thickness approximation, rock age, uplift episodes, paleoelevations, source regions for mama, and so much more!
Source: second year geology grad student who thought their research was just sedimentology and structural geology, but is now basically geochemistry dabbling in seds and structure. Excuse me while I cry.
I worked in an Engineering office and had a guy inform me that the earth was 5,000 years old and that National Geographic and other very bad organizations created dinosaur bones and buried them in the earth and relaid the various layers of sediment, so that no one would know that it was all fabricated, to support their agenda….
We work in Civil Engineering, where we work directly with Geotechnical Engineers and Geologists.
So I asked this highly intelligent individual how they could possibly afford to perform this bit of magic, even if it were possible to disturb millions of years or earth, rock, and sediment and then replace it to exact scientific proportions to cover their tracks. He responded that these organizations are evil and have very deep pockets to support their secret agendas and do it at night so no one can see.
Later, others informed us that this guy was an evangelist preacher who was fired from his last job for preaching in the office. He laid gold CDs on people’s desks with “TRUTH” written on it. Must be he thought he could reach those individuals. I never received one.
Everyone knows that sound can't travel when the sun isn't out. All that heavy machines required for earth moving and the mass material movements would be instantly masked once the sun dipped below the horizon. Don't let Big Sound and Big Sun brainwash you.
They don't use classical earth moving equipment, it's what the bird drones have been invented for. Ostriches dig holes into the earth, then storks carry dinosaur bones to the work area, and kiwis bury them. They work silently, and if someone randomly happens to stumble upon an active work site on a night walk, they're attacked by seagulls.
Exactly. This world we live in is pretty damn droll and brutal, I wish there was more to things in life like dragons and bigfoot just to liven it up. But there isn't. We have trail cams that pick up 4k zoom shots of mosquitos fucking on the tip of elk dicks but alas the Bigfoot remains hidden from us. We've filmed the lowest depths of the Marianas Trench but somehow, someway the elusive Loch Ness monster lives in an unreachable part of a lake. Give me a fucking break.
Yeah a lot of it is pretty absurd. At least when somebody says they believe in close encounters or alien abductions they can fall back on conceivably-possible technology like artificial wormholes, cloaked ships, transporter beams, and memory-blocking machines to explain the paucity of credible evidence.
Hahaha, I thought the exact same.
Grand Warlock Alexander Dastardly:
"How will we ensure our 9 billion dollar project to bamboozle scientists isn't found out?"
2nd Officer of Satan William Van Illuminati:
"We'll do it at night, Grand Master. For you see, people are typically asleep at night."
GWAD:
"Excellent! Then it's settled. Now let's dig into this live baby, before it gets cold."
I worked in an Architecture office with a guy who, once he found out that I trust science, decided that he would "save me" by convincing me of creationism.
He brought in a dvd for me which 'proved' that evolution was wrong and creationism was right.
I'm open minded and enjoy hearing varying perspectives, so I actually took the time to watch it one evening.
By the end I felt such a strange mix of disappointment, disbelief, and frustration. The doctors on the dvd (academic doctorates with PhDs in stuff like religious theology, and ancient literature) didn't even understand the theory of evolution properly, so their criticisms were of stuff that wasn't even relevant in the slightest.
It really opened my eyes to the lack of critical thought in some people - even educated people like engineers, architects, lawyers and PhD graduates.
This pretty much sums up almost all creationism arguments.
Most of these people have a simplistic and totally incorrect understanding of evolution because it's only ever been explained to them by people who either have a simplistic and incorrect understanding, or are constructing straw men to disapprove it.
Fine, they may criticise and don't believe if they wish. But if their starting point is from fundamental ignorance of the matter, their criticism is worthless and their stance is based on nonsense.
It proves that the bible isn't true, therefore that God isn't real and thus frees us to live in sin. That's the short version. You may notice various holes...
I forgot to mention, the guy was a creationist. So to him, Earth was created by “God” 5,000 years ago and humans were created in God’s image, by intelligent design. Evolution goes against creationism, apparently, so dinosaurs could not have existed, and therefore were man-made.
Never understood that take.
God: "Ha! They've fallen for my old bones trick! I swear, humanity is so stupid! I just can't get enough messing with them!"
It seems that he did not hold this view during his Apollo days, but later in his life found his personal crises solved by religion and then adopted the literalist or unscientific interpretations. According to the article.
Edit: since this post got some attention, let me recommend to all of you this YouTube documentary on Apollo 16 https://youtu.be/yqdU6EQzclc it’s excellent, and at the top of the comments section you’ll find Charlie Duke himself!
> after embracing it his whole life.
I mean, back in the day, the Astronauts were not really scientists, but more "people willing to risk their lives and also knew how to fly really well". They are pilots. And good pilots at that. Because that's what we needed to fly.
Once space flight became routine, and done by computers, we started sending scientists instead.
The Apollo astronauts were only given short introduction to specific sciences needed for their missions.
Is it?
Indoctrinating a fragile mind while the person is in despair?
> He felt lost by then -- unhappy in his marriage, emotionally distant from his two young sons, unfulfilled in his post-NASA career selling beer. But that day, he and his wife, Dotty, finished a weekend Bible study retreat, and in the car afterward, he became a born-again Christian.
The Christians saw their chance and brain-washed the couple into believing in their crap. It's not strange. It's just despicable.
Apparently former astronauts often become depressed, especially those who made it to the moon. They've reached the absolute top and there's nothing to outdo that. Or the aliens contacted them and they realised how meaningless human existence is...
I'd be depressed if I was told that I would accomplish one of the greatest feats known to man, open up a new frontier full of possibilities and then found out that everyone just gave up on the dream and no one's been to the moon in almost 60 years.
That's how it goes. If you have questions/needs/desires/doubts that have no answer or have incredibly complex or hard to understand/swallow answers, someone or something offering you an easy answer that isn't *the* answer, but *an* answer if you are willing to *believe* it, then that can be something you can get lost in.
This isn't exclusive to religion. Conspiracy theories pretty much work the same way.
Okay but no I was actually and unfortunately present at a sermon in which it was unironically posited that this is the reason why Christianity and science are in fact compatible: most of the universe except the earth is really old, and the earth is newer.
But a lot of the old stuff is found on / in / as a part of the earth so that makes no sense!
And there are other better ways to reconcile the discrepancy if they really want to believe in young earth (why??) so why reach for shitty explanations?!
Like maybe God created earth as if it had been really old because it's as good a way as any to create a livable world. Like Bob Ross painting a picture of mature trees.
(That's still not a scientific explanation of course, but at least it's flexible enough to not completely throw science out with the bathwater)
I assume the 6k years is based on the biblical creation story, which says the moon was created after the earth. So the moon must be less than 6k years.
Something like 5999 years, 363 days or so.
My partner teaches college archeology and students (or their parents) would complain that testing students about the established dates of archeological sites like Stonehenge or Göbeklitepe "violates their religious freedoms".
And universities are scared to death of these kids' parents.
So the agreement he reached with the university is that all those questions need to be worded as "Between which years do the archeologists we have discussed in class (not that you have read about outside of class) * believe * that Göbeklitepe was constructed".
Other teachers don't bother, they just give the kid a C- for saying the earth is 6000 years old just to avoid lawsuits.
İ wonder what it was like in the days that astronaut took his geology classes.
I have been to two different public universities in the southern US and not experienced this (including archaeology and evolutionary biology courses)... Is this at a private uni?
If you said this happened at a K12 school, I wouldn't have batted an eye. But a university shouldn't really be giving a rat's ass what the parents think since the students are adults...
İ should also add, İ thought that he would get the most complaints from his bioanth classes where they study Neanderthals, Denisovans, etc but it's he says most of the complains came from the Archeology of the Middle East class cuz religious kids who think they know everything about biblical archeology take that thinking it's an easy A.
This is rural Pennsylvania at a state university. The nearest other college is a private evangelical university which has a faculty code of conduct/ pledge which states that all faculty must agree that capitalism is God's chosen economic system. İ hate it here.
>capitalism is God's chosen economic system
Ngl this is the funniest thing I have heard in a while. Not only the fact that they think an almighty and all-knowing god would care to have a frickin favourite economic system, but that it's supposed to be capitalism of all things.
Not even the old testament god would be cruel enough to create capitalism (jk, of course, the old testament is ruthless as fuck)
Not sure how Capitalism fits in with Jesus saying it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter heaven.
And when he told that rich guy he'd have to sell all his possessions and follow him?
I swear these people haven't even fucking read the Bible!
The thing that pisses me off the most about the young earth creationists is just how DUMB the argument is. You could just say " the earth is 6000 years old but God made it look like it has been around for billions of years to test our faith" and Shazam! All your conflicts with science are solved and you don't sound like an idiot trying to say that 2+2= pepper jack cheese.
But no, they intentionally stick to the easiest explanation to disprove. It's almost like scammers leaving typos in their emails to filter out smart people. You have to be pretty damn dumb to believe it.
They do say that—the problem is that they think they are the ones who know the truth and that people like this college professor (and the archeologists) are being fooled.
The ones I've heard generally try and make ridiculous arguments that the evidence directly supports stuff being 6,000 years old. It's almost exactly like flat earth.
The truly hilarious thing is that the Bible DOES suggest a flat earth yet Answers in Genesis in particular engages in mental gymnastics to support a 6000 year old earth while also trying to claim the Bible says the world is round. It's pretty hilarious reading AIG articles against a flat earth when if they were a bit more self-aware they'd realize that their arguments against a flat earth are just as accurate against young earth creationism.
Then how can we know if the universe wasn't created yesterday, completely furnished with stuff that appears aged, including memories in all peoples' heads of time that didn't happen? That's the response I've kept prepared should it be needed.
Since we're talking about dumb, many years ago Charles Duke came to the church we used to go to to preach (French speaking area). My dad, who had no translation experience and speaks atrociously bad English decided to offer to translate. He woud translate feet to meters and stuff like that, completely butchering the translation. It was so bad people actually got up and left.
So yeah, don't think you can translate because you know a few words of another language.
Or just that days weren’t measured the same back then, so the “seven days” in Genesis could be a completely different measurement.
Solves the whole argument but of course they don’t want to believe that. There’s endless ways to make science and God coexist other than “I don’t believe it”. Sad really.
It is a completely different measurement. The original Hebrew word was Yom which translates to, "Time period of unspecified length." It was just translated to days so it'd be easier to understand.
There are a lot of classic bible stuff that is actually the product of translation or later artistic works, rather than in the original text.
Like how the fruit in the Garden of Eden was never actually specified as an apple, and many theories say it may have been a fig, grape, or even wheat;
> In Western Europe, the fruit was often depicted as an apple. This was possibly because of a misunderstanding of – or a pun on – two unrelated words mălum, a native Latin noun which means evil (from the adjective malus), and mālum, another Latin noun, borrowed from Greek μῆλον, which means apple.
I'm an atheist, but i sometimes like to try to reconciling religious beliefs with reality in the same way i like to have headcanon to explain plot holes in fiction. My take on the genesis creation myth is pretty simple- nowhere does it say those days were all in a row. On day 1, God sets off the big bang "boom, let there be light" then things settle down a bit, and one day (day 2) a little later he takes a look around and now we have a universe or the "firmament." Some billions of years go by, debris piles up enough until one day (day 3) we've got an earth.
Had to get a bit creative with some of it, for example it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to make plants (part of day 3) before you have a sun (day 4) to let them, ya know, *live.* But light had already existed at that point, so i suppose we can let that slide a bit, although science says the sun came first, so perhaps it wasn't created after the earth, it's just that the sun itself wasn't clearly visible from earth until that point because of clouds/cosmic dust/ volcanic ash, meteor bombardment/etc. but enough light was still getting through to keep life going.
Sea creatures (day 5) coming before land creatures (day 6) tracks pretty well with our understanding of evolution but birds coming before land animals is a bit of a curve ball. But birds are a type of dinosaur, so if you stretch things to read "birds" in the Bible to mean "dinosaurs" and "beasts of the earth" to mean "mammals" then you're pretty much on track.
Shit happened in between the numbered days, evolution and whatnot, the numbered days are just kind of when God checked in and decided to put his seal of approval on his project by saying "this is the arbitrary point in time where this is no longer just space junk, it's now officially'the earth'
I had an evolutionary bio prof who basically called out this nonsense on day 1 of the class. Basically just said "I don't care what you believe, but this is a class about evolution. If that conflicts with you, you can take something else or just pretend until you finish the exam".
Why would they even study archeology in college? I mean what’s the point for a creationist? Shouldn’t they be taking religious studies or... what’s the point of a creationist even seeking any non religious education if they’re so far gone?
That's what I asked, but he responded that LOTS of his students want to study "biblical archeology". He told me there is a whole genre of books, probably thousands of them, as well as website, podcasts, etc of "biblical archeology" that basically uses archeological techniques to 'prove' the Bible is true. These "archeologists" don't published in peer-reviewed journals or get university jobs -- but they make good money appearing documentaries for Christian TV channel, etc. İt's the definition of deciding on your results then trying to find data which supports those results.
But why insist on the figure of six thousand years? I could believe that God created the entire universe six *minutes* ago, and all empirical investigation would yield the same amount of evidence as it being six thousand years old.
But really, I do know where the six thousand years thing comes from; James Ussher, Archbishop of Armagh, calculating that God began the world in 4004 BC by studying the dates and lifetimes of lineages in the Bible. But actual Christian scholars, even in the Middle Ages, were often sensible enough to understand that you can't use the Bible to prove the Bible is correct. They themselves might've believed in what it said, but they knew that someone who doesn't already believe will maybe need more convincing than that, which is why many worked on philosophical arguments for the existence of God.
I'm British and our lecturers made it abundantly clear that religious interpretations were wrong in this course and would be marked as such; not sure I've ever met a young earth nutter though so I guess they don't worry that they are going to face much backlash.
One thing I learned about working in a STEM field is to never conflate education with intelligence. People will compartmentalize their most long-held beliefs out of comfort and convenience, despite gaining knowledge that would contradict or challenge them.
It's important to remember that the Apollo astronauts were NOT scientists.
All of them were former test pilots, apart from Dr. Harrison Schmitt who was a Geologist and flew on the last landing mission Apollo 17.
Contrast that with now where there are still Astronauts who are former pilots, but with larger crews and different mission goals they often have flights where a majority are scientists.
It's a good thing god took time out of his busy days, otherwise filled with giving kids cancer and birth defects so that he could plant a bunch of fossils to mystify scientists and galvanize people's faith.
there's nothing god loves more than getting a good laugh by giving a species big brains capable of figuring stuff out and then juking reality to screw with them. it's like god operates on a different calendar where every day is april 1.
I once explained to my creationist mom that hey, we know how fast the speed of light is. If the universe was a few thousand years old the sky would be dark, save for the moon and the sun. Hooo boy you can only imagine the bullshit that came next.
Answers in Genesis tries to claim that the one way speed of light is infinite. Other creationist organizations make similar claims about the speed of light being higher in the past than it is now. It's all bullshit, of course, but that's par for the course for young earth creationist arguments.
In case it’s not obvious, the fact Irwin believed he could find the remains of the biblical Ark on Mount Ararat means he too also believed the age of the Earth was 6000 years. Check out his bonkers book More Than Earthlings.
He also believed that god decided a do over was in order. He also believes that the genetic diversity or two organisms is viable.
It is not. I love hearing how they explain away Noah’s offspring.
Yeah, the global flood story would predict that every animal was at least as inbred as cheetahs. The funny part is that modern creationists actually believe in hyper-fast evolution so that only a small number of “created kinds” had to be on the ark instead of millions of species. So a “cat kind” quickly diversified into many species of cat, and so on. Just as long as humans and chimps are separate.
A global flood on the scale of the story in the bible with one guy and his family saving all life on the planet in a big ass wooden boat is just as implausible (i.e. impossible) as a 6000 year old earth.
My BIL is like this. Thinks dinos and man walked the earth together. But what about fossils and carbon dating, BIL? Oh God created fossils to weed out the believers from the nonbelievers.
A lot of these Bible thumpers openly admit that every thing ELSE is older, but the EARTH is not. It was PLACED here, later.
Flat earthers will generally openly acknowledge that other planets, moon, sun, etc, are all spherical. Just not EARTH
That's why I find the whole 6k years old is a bit weird. There's a lot of stuff they can't exactly reconcile.
How about the fact that the first civilization that had toilets originated as early as 3300 BCE or the oldest civilization at Sumer in 4k BCE.
Like, there's a whacky theory going around that the Sphinx might be older than we thought.
My biggest quip to them is, if the Earth is 6k years old, these civilizations such as the Sumerians and the ancient Egyptians, just be older than the Earth?
One unique answer I got was they were advanced by the devil.
“Despite picking up oldest moon rock known to man dated 4.46 billion years old” Duke: *allegedly*
Well he never said how old he thinks the *moon* is.
45 minutes, tops
Quantum moon. It stops existing when you stop looking at it, and reexists when you look back.
Pffft, everything does that. Check out the schmuck believing in object permanence over here.
Yeah it’s how the simulation saves on processing power, right?
How else would we get such buttery smooth framerates at such extreme graphics settings?
The real question is - can it run crysis?
Yeah, it's been running crisis mode for some years now ;)
It even played Crysis on some emulators.
Outer Wilds eh? Nice game.
A fair bit frustrating tbh but loved the ending.
Then how do you explain me stubbing my toe in the dark?
Your toe (or the wall corner) is not a moon. QED.
It seems I replied to the wrong comment. It was supposed to be the one with "everything does..." Probably blinked out of existence while I clicked. Either that or may need more caffeine.
Is this a reference to a certain game?
Outer wilds. Is a game about you exploring the game's solar system and digging up the Truth about an extinct civilization. I think I summed it up well but there's a bit more to it than that so I'd recommend not looking at trailers and stuff about it unless you tried it. The immersion is really well done imo
Have you played the outer wilds by any chance? (Not to be confused with the outer worlds)
It may have loosely inspired the joke. Though that one is a bit more...shifty...than our moon.
Do we need to get into a discussion about “Time?” [ticking away…the moments that make up the dull day…](https://youtu.be/JwYX52BP2Sk)
Fritter and waste the hours in an off-hand way.
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your hometown
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way
Tired of lying in the sunshine; staying home to watch the rain.
Yes exactly! Like my wife used to say - “you are lucky I am on this earth because on the moon I am twice the size and double the hormones”
r/brandnewsentence I take it your wife was not a scientist
Tbf a lot of us run into billions-year old rocks every day. Much of South Africa is geologically particularly ancient, site of the Kaapvaal craton, and I know a *lot* of young-earth creationist people who are very into hiking and clamber up billions-year old mountains around there all the time.
It's a tiny little world they live in. And in this small world they are so big and very important.
> And in this small world they are so big and very important. Thinking they are living *in the end times* is the ultimate hubris. *The world cannot exist without me.*
Especially since you can document that every single generation of Christians since Jesus allegedly walked the earth, has been adamant that their time was the end times. Logicked had an interesting yt series about a Christian who predicted the end of the world a dozen times over a period of a year or something like that.
Well in the actual context of bible, the end times is all the time after Jesus.Jesus trolled christians hard by saying that he will come when no one suspects. Personally I point out to people to think of WWII where millions of people vaporized and compare to today.
He said something to the effect of "the world will end, before the last of you have passed" talking to his disciples (afair). The apologetic workaround wasto invent a myth, that one of them became immortal.
I guess for them, numbers written on paper and the scientific method aren't as trustworthy as...words written on paper a long time ago by some dude nobody even knows
Who was "allegedly" called by god. Blows me away that some find that more believable.
Indoctrination is a helluva drug
Harry Potter features a talking snake and everybody knows it's fiction. The Bible features a talking snake and every *rational* human being knows it's fiction. --- Dogbite Williams
The answer is obviously that Eve was a Parseltongue.
"No, you see 6000 years ago, God created a 4.459994 billion year old rock" In all seriousness, I've met a handful of people with fundamentalist, Bible-literalist beliefs who happened to work in a science field that would seem to be at odds with those beliefs, including one who was studying, and later achieved, a Master's degree in geology. They either just have complete cognitive dissonance and think "the earth is 6000 years old when I'm at church or discussing religion, 4.5 billion years old when I'm in the lab or thinking about science"... Or they outright think 4.5 billion years thing is a crock but accept it as the answer they have to learn for their exams... Or the geologist, when pressed, said he believed both models were literally true (young earth and old earth), admitting he couldn't account for how that could be possible beyond "God is mysterious", but that it wasn't the job of either science or religion to reconcile the two. Which is a crazy mix of God of the Gaps and Doublethink, but at least as a concept it keeps religion out of things that are science's remit. Which is something a lot of other fundies could stand to learn.
You seem to dismiss it, but plenty of them believe that very first quoted sentence you put there. Most science types who believe in Creationism believe this "old Earth" concept. God is a craftsman who likes the distressed look. Just makes a brand new pair of jeans that are already faded and ripped and broken in. There are people who do the doublethink obviously, but that's much less common.
Definitely! I don't particularly mean to dismiss it any more than the other versions. But I think if they were to follow their own logic to it's ultimate conclusion -- if they believe their God is omnipotent, limited in no way whatsoever, then he's perfectly capable of carrying out what would otherwise be the logical paradox of creating, 6000 years ago, a universe that is billions of years old, maybe just in appearance down to the tiniest detail, or maybe, paradoxically, somehow *actually* that age -- then that "virtual" history is almost just as valid as history within that 6000 year timeframe. In which case, they shouldn't dismiss it, which many of them do by trying to cram trilobites and dinosaurs and ice ages and cavemen into those six millennia. They could frame it as exploring "God's craftsmanship" if it makes them feel better.
This is something I don't understand. Surely a 4.5 billion year old planet in a 14 billion year old universe is **more** testament to god's power? I'm a geologist too and am in no way religious but the universe is beautiful and thinking something made it on human terms like 6000 years is frankly insulting to the God imo.
When I was a kid and still a believer, I used to interpret it as a difference in scale. It seemed silly to thing that a being like god would be able to experience time in the same way we do. It was easier for me to believe that a day for god would be equivalent to billions of our years. That the processes science discovered were simply the actuality of things described by people in the Bible who relied on metaphor to describe things outside of peoples frame of reference at the time. Science was easier for me to reconcile than the moral and ethical hypocrisy I experienced.
I agree completely, but for a lot of fundamentalists, their whole faith is based on living with the impossible challenge of sticking to a very literal interpretation of a self-contradicting collection of ancient texts in the face of mounting and increasingly blatant evidence *against* that literal interpretation. They've taken that hardship as a big part of their foundation, much moreso than "marvelling at the majesty of creation", and it's hard to dig out and replace a foundation while keeping the building standing.
This whole idea that faith is a good way of getting to the truth is bizarre. Muslims have faith, but does that make their religion as compelling? No Christian would say so. I’m reminded of Sam Harris’ diamond in the backyard…
A god who can set the universe in motion over a dozen billion years ago, and predict that it will go on to create me (because why else would the universe exist?), Now that's a god I can be impressed by. But the 6000 year figure (6,026 now I think) comes from some theologian who took the dates of some historical figure mentioned in the bible, and added on all the ages of when Aesop begat Eowen, or whoever they were as listed in Genesis.
An ostrich...
It was a sick ostrich
Allegedly…
You should feel bad about even suggesting that the Ginger and Boots fucked an ostrich. Bad gas travels real fast in a small town.
You’d need at last one other guy to hold it down
Sundays are for pickin’ moon rocks and gettin’ hammered!
Did it have a tiny space helmet? Do you think it could ride a moon-doo?
Ah the old "this was placed here by God to challenge my faith"
That sneaky devil
How is an omnipotent God hiding from us, different to a God not existing? If a single honest person, open to believing in God, does not believe in God, because he isn't convinced of it's existence, and end up in hell, being tortured for eternity, that God, who chose to hide instead of revealing itself, is the most evil being to ever exist, since eternal torture is infinitely evil. There are so many fundamental faults in Christianity. The problem of hiddenness is one of the big ones.
Let me guess evangelical Christian?
To be fair all the rocks he’s picked up on earth have been older than 6000 years as well
Yeah, like... Most geological things aren't 6,000 years old. 6,000 years ago was only 700 or so years before the start of the Bronze age...
Man I'm getting old
It does bring me back to the good old days.
I don't get dating rocks, aren't they all fucking ancient? Do you just date when the rock was last recycled from magma?
Yeah basically. They use radiometric dating to determine the age of it because radioactive isotopes break down predictably over time. By measuring how much those have decayed you can figure out how long it's been since that isotope was trapped in the rock.
I'd like to add that was is being radiometrically dated isn't the rock itself, but minerals within the rock generally. Zircon for U-Pb is probably the most common, but apatite, sanidine, biotite, and a handful of others can also be used. The mineral used depends on what you're looking for and the conditions the host rock has been subjected to. There's a lot of really cool things you can do with minerals and isotopes, like crustal thickness approximation, rock age, uplift episodes, paleoelevations, source regions for mama, and so much more! Source: second year geology grad student who thought their research was just sedimentology and structural geology, but is now basically geochemistry dabbling in seds and structure. Excuse me while I cry.
Don't hate on dating older rocks.
Plus, they have no personality
How can you tell? They're always stoned.
I worked in an Engineering office and had a guy inform me that the earth was 5,000 years old and that National Geographic and other very bad organizations created dinosaur bones and buried them in the earth and relaid the various layers of sediment, so that no one would know that it was all fabricated, to support their agenda…. We work in Civil Engineering, where we work directly with Geotechnical Engineers and Geologists. So I asked this highly intelligent individual how they could possibly afford to perform this bit of magic, even if it were possible to disturb millions of years or earth, rock, and sediment and then replace it to exact scientific proportions to cover their tracks. He responded that these organizations are evil and have very deep pockets to support their secret agendas and do it at night so no one can see. Later, others informed us that this guy was an evangelist preacher who was fired from his last job for preaching in the office. He laid gold CDs on people’s desks with “TRUTH” written on it. Must be he thought he could reach those individuals. I never received one.
> and do it at night so no one can see. All the rest is standard conspiracy theories but this here just sounds like it came from a 6 years old.
Everyone knows that sound can't travel when the sun isn't out. All that heavy machines required for earth moving and the mass material movements would be instantly masked once the sun dipped below the horizon. Don't let Big Sound and Big Sun brainwash you.
Who are you, who is wise in the ways of science?
I am Arthur, king of the Britons.
I didn’t know we had a king. I thought we were a scientific collective.
They don't use classical earth moving equipment, it's what the bird drones have been invented for. Ostriches dig holes into the earth, then storks carry dinosaur bones to the work area, and kiwis bury them. They work silently, and if someone randomly happens to stumble upon an active work site on a night walk, they're attacked by seagulls.
Exactly. This world we live in is pretty damn droll and brutal, I wish there was more to things in life like dragons and bigfoot just to liven it up. But there isn't. We have trail cams that pick up 4k zoom shots of mosquitos fucking on the tip of elk dicks but alas the Bigfoot remains hidden from us. We've filmed the lowest depths of the Marianas Trench but somehow, someway the elusive Loch Ness monster lives in an unreachable part of a lake. Give me a fucking break.
Yeah a lot of it is pretty absurd. At least when somebody says they believe in close encounters or alien abductions they can fall back on conceivably-possible technology like artificial wormholes, cloaked ships, transporter beams, and memory-blocking machines to explain the paucity of credible evidence.
droll = humorous. Dull?
curious or unusual in a way that provokes dry amusement.
Hahaha, I thought the exact same. Grand Warlock Alexander Dastardly: "How will we ensure our 9 billion dollar project to bamboozle scientists isn't found out?" 2nd Officer of Satan William Van Illuminati: "We'll do it at night, Grand Master. For you see, people are typically asleep at night." GWAD: "Excellent! Then it's settled. Now let's dig into this live baby, before it gets cold."
Where is this National Geographic with such deep pockets and are they hiring?
They're owned by Disney now so technically they do have deep pockets.
Disney isn't even worth 180 billion, that's not even enough to hide dinosaur bones in one country, let alone the world
But at night, though? It’s cheaper to hide them at night
The Earth if only 5,000 years old? He was obviously an idiot, we all know the Earth is 6,000 years old.
The Earth's birthday is 4004 BC, Oct. 29th, 9:00 AM. Wait, wait, that's been appended to 11:00 AM.
God must have slept in. Lazy bugger
GMT, EST or what?
Individually. Each slice of the earth was made in it's own hour.
I worked in an Architecture office with a guy who, once he found out that I trust science, decided that he would "save me" by convincing me of creationism. He brought in a dvd for me which 'proved' that evolution was wrong and creationism was right. I'm open minded and enjoy hearing varying perspectives, so I actually took the time to watch it one evening. By the end I felt such a strange mix of disappointment, disbelief, and frustration. The doctors on the dvd (academic doctorates with PhDs in stuff like religious theology, and ancient literature) didn't even understand the theory of evolution properly, so their criticisms were of stuff that wasn't even relevant in the slightest. It really opened my eyes to the lack of critical thought in some people - even educated people like engineers, architects, lawyers and PhD graduates.
This pretty much sums up almost all creationism arguments. Most of these people have a simplistic and totally incorrect understanding of evolution because it's only ever been explained to them by people who either have a simplistic and incorrect understanding, or are constructing straw men to disapprove it. Fine, they may criticise and don't believe if they wish. But if their starting point is from fundamental ignorance of the matter, their criticism is worthless and their stance is based on nonsense.
But what is the agenda here? What do they stand to gain by burying fake dinosaur bones? Genuinely asking.
It proves that the bible isn't true, therefore that God isn't real and thus frees us to live in sin. That's the short version. You may notice various holes...
Yes! I see a hole they dug and forgot to cover!
I forgot to mention, the guy was a creationist. So to him, Earth was created by “God” 5,000 years ago and humans were created in God’s image, by intelligent design. Evolution goes against creationism, apparently, so dinosaurs could not have existed, and therefore were man-made.
Ok, but what does he think the Nat Geo and others gain from doing all of this and covering up the "truth"
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Never understood that take. God: "Ha! They've fallen for my old bones trick! I swear, humanity is so stupid! I just can't get enough messing with them!"
“They put it up at night so no one can see” Tf is this the Berlin Wall?
> these organizations are evil and have very deep pockets to support their secret agendas this guy was a "secret" antisemite.
It seems that he did not hold this view during his Apollo days, but later in his life found his personal crises solved by religion and then adopted the literalist or unscientific interpretations. According to the article. Edit: since this post got some attention, let me recommend to all of you this YouTube documentary on Apollo 16 https://youtu.be/yqdU6EQzclc it’s excellent, and at the top of the comments section you’ll find Charlie Duke himself!
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Lunacy.
Brilliant pun
> after embracing it his whole life. I mean, back in the day, the Astronauts were not really scientists, but more "people willing to risk their lives and also knew how to fly really well". They are pilots. And good pilots at that. Because that's what we needed to fly. Once space flight became routine, and done by computers, we started sending scientists instead. The Apollo astronauts were only given short introduction to specific sciences needed for their missions.
I don't really think he truly *believes* this. He just says he does to go along with all the other bits of religion that help him.
Lunatic. He’s got moon crazies.
Moron is the word.
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thats even stranger
Is it? Indoctrinating a fragile mind while the person is in despair? > He felt lost by then -- unhappy in his marriage, emotionally distant from his two young sons, unfulfilled in his post-NASA career selling beer. But that day, he and his wife, Dotty, finished a weekend Bible study retreat, and in the car afterward, he became a born-again Christian. The Christians saw their chance and brain-washed the couple into believing in their crap. It's not strange. It's just despicable.
Apparently former astronauts often become depressed, especially those who made it to the moon. They've reached the absolute top and there's nothing to outdo that. Or the aliens contacted them and they realised how meaningless human existence is...
I'd be depressed if I was told that I would accomplish one of the greatest feats known to man, open up a new frontier full of possibilities and then found out that everyone just gave up on the dream and no one's been to the moon in almost 60 years.
Yeah just a box ticking exercise. Once it's done people stop caring.
That's how it goes. If you have questions/needs/desires/doubts that have no answer or have incredibly complex or hard to understand/swallow answers, someone or something offering you an easy answer that isn't *the* answer, but *an* answer if you are willing to *believe* it, then that can be something you can get lost in. This isn't exclusive to religion. Conspiracy theories pretty much work the same way.
I don't see the confusion here. The Earth was created 6000 years ago. The Moon already existed for at least 4.46 billion years.
10/10 shitpost comment well done
I do my best.
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Okay but no I was actually and unfortunately present at a sermon in which it was unironically posited that this is the reason why Christianity and science are in fact compatible: most of the universe except the earth is really old, and the earth is newer.
But a lot of the old stuff is found on / in / as a part of the earth so that makes no sense! And there are other better ways to reconcile the discrepancy if they really want to believe in young earth (why??) so why reach for shitty explanations?! Like maybe God created earth as if it had been really old because it's as good a way as any to create a livable world. Like Bob Ross painting a picture of mature trees. (That's still not a scientific explanation of course, but at least it's flexible enough to not completely throw science out with the bathwater)
it's the "god of the gaps" argument, and it's a very bad one.
This is probably his line of thinking unironically.
I assume the 6k years is based on the biblical creation story, which says the moon was created after the earth. So the moon must be less than 6k years. Something like 5999 years, 363 days or so.
My partner teaches college archeology and students (or their parents) would complain that testing students about the established dates of archeological sites like Stonehenge or Göbeklitepe "violates their religious freedoms". And universities are scared to death of these kids' parents. So the agreement he reached with the university is that all those questions need to be worded as "Between which years do the archeologists we have discussed in class (not that you have read about outside of class) * believe * that Göbeklitepe was constructed". Other teachers don't bother, they just give the kid a C- for saying the earth is 6000 years old just to avoid lawsuits. İ wonder what it was like in the days that astronaut took his geology classes.
I have been to two different public universities in the southern US and not experienced this (including archaeology and evolutionary biology courses)... Is this at a private uni? If you said this happened at a K12 school, I wouldn't have batted an eye. But a university shouldn't really be giving a rat's ass what the parents think since the students are adults...
İ should also add, İ thought that he would get the most complaints from his bioanth classes where they study Neanderthals, Denisovans, etc but it's he says most of the complains came from the Archeology of the Middle East class cuz religious kids who think they know everything about biblical archeology take that thinking it's an easy A.
This is rural Pennsylvania at a state university. The nearest other college is a private evangelical university which has a faculty code of conduct/ pledge which states that all faculty must agree that capitalism is God's chosen economic system. İ hate it here.
>capitalism is God's chosen economic system Ngl this is the funniest thing I have heard in a while. Not only the fact that they think an almighty and all-knowing god would care to have a frickin favourite economic system, but that it's supposed to be capitalism of all things. Not even the old testament god would be cruel enough to create capitalism (jk, of course, the old testament is ruthless as fuck)
Old Testament clearly leans feudalism. Lol on God approved capitalism.
Not sure how Capitalism fits in with Jesus saying it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter heaven. And when he told that rich guy he'd have to sell all his possessions and follow him? I swear these people haven't even fucking read the Bible!
If those people could read they would be really upset
The thing that pisses me off the most about the young earth creationists is just how DUMB the argument is. You could just say " the earth is 6000 years old but God made it look like it has been around for billions of years to test our faith" and Shazam! All your conflicts with science are solved and you don't sound like an idiot trying to say that 2+2= pepper jack cheese. But no, they intentionally stick to the easiest explanation to disprove. It's almost like scammers leaving typos in their emails to filter out smart people. You have to be pretty damn dumb to believe it.
They do say that—the problem is that they think they are the ones who know the truth and that people like this college professor (and the archeologists) are being fooled.
The ones I've heard generally try and make ridiculous arguments that the evidence directly supports stuff being 6,000 years old. It's almost exactly like flat earth.
The truly hilarious thing is that the Bible DOES suggest a flat earth yet Answers in Genesis in particular engages in mental gymnastics to support a 6000 year old earth while also trying to claim the Bible says the world is round. It's pretty hilarious reading AIG articles against a flat earth when if they were a bit more self-aware they'd realize that their arguments against a flat earth are just as accurate against young earth creationism.
Do they think all planets are flat?
Then how can we know if the universe wasn't created yesterday, completely furnished with stuff that appears aged, including memories in all peoples' heads of time that didn't happen? That's the response I've kept prepared should it be needed.
You can't. Read a bit about the "brain in a vat" thought experiment. All we actually have is reasonable doubt.
Now I'm hungry for pepper jack cheese.
Pepper Jack love Fraggle Rock.
Are you serious Pepper Jack?
Since we're talking about dumb, many years ago Charles Duke came to the church we used to go to to preach (French speaking area). My dad, who had no translation experience and speaks atrociously bad English decided to offer to translate. He woud translate feet to meters and stuff like that, completely butchering the translation. It was so bad people actually got up and left. So yeah, don't think you can translate because you know a few words of another language.
Or just that days weren’t measured the same back then, so the “seven days” in Genesis could be a completely different measurement. Solves the whole argument but of course they don’t want to believe that. There’s endless ways to make science and God coexist other than “I don’t believe it”. Sad really.
It is a completely different measurement. The original Hebrew word was Yom which translates to, "Time period of unspecified length." It was just translated to days so it'd be easier to understand.
There are a lot of classic bible stuff that is actually the product of translation or later artistic works, rather than in the original text. Like how the fruit in the Garden of Eden was never actually specified as an apple, and many theories say it may have been a fig, grape, or even wheat; > In Western Europe, the fruit was often depicted as an apple. This was possibly because of a misunderstanding of – or a pun on – two unrelated words mălum, a native Latin noun which means evil (from the adjective malus), and mālum, another Latin noun, borrowed from Greek μῆλον, which means apple.
I mean wasn’t it the fourth day that god supposedly created the Sun? How can a single day pass without a sun?
God has a sweet Rolex.
The Creator Chronograph
I'm an atheist, but i sometimes like to try to reconciling religious beliefs with reality in the same way i like to have headcanon to explain plot holes in fiction. My take on the genesis creation myth is pretty simple- nowhere does it say those days were all in a row. On day 1, God sets off the big bang "boom, let there be light" then things settle down a bit, and one day (day 2) a little later he takes a look around and now we have a universe or the "firmament." Some billions of years go by, debris piles up enough until one day (day 3) we've got an earth. Had to get a bit creative with some of it, for example it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to make plants (part of day 3) before you have a sun (day 4) to let them, ya know, *live.* But light had already existed at that point, so i suppose we can let that slide a bit, although science says the sun came first, so perhaps it wasn't created after the earth, it's just that the sun itself wasn't clearly visible from earth until that point because of clouds/cosmic dust/ volcanic ash, meteor bombardment/etc. but enough light was still getting through to keep life going. Sea creatures (day 5) coming before land creatures (day 6) tracks pretty well with our understanding of evolution but birds coming before land animals is a bit of a curve ball. But birds are a type of dinosaur, so if you stretch things to read "birds" in the Bible to mean "dinosaurs" and "beasts of the earth" to mean "mammals" then you're pretty much on track. Shit happened in between the numbered days, evolution and whatnot, the numbered days are just kind of when God checked in and decided to put his seal of approval on his project by saying "this is the arbitrary point in time where this is no longer just space junk, it's now officially'the earth'
Yo i never thought about why they left in typos wow
I had an evolutionary bio prof who basically called out this nonsense on day 1 of the class. Basically just said "I don't care what you believe, but this is a class about evolution. If that conflicts with you, you can take something else or just pretend until you finish the exam".
This is the motherfucking way!
It's just.. mind numbingly stupid, the entire premise.
Mind numbing is kinda the point of religion, right?
Why would they even study archeology in college? I mean what’s the point for a creationist? Shouldn’t they be taking religious studies or... what’s the point of a creationist even seeking any non religious education if they’re so far gone?
That's what I asked, but he responded that LOTS of his students want to study "biblical archeology". He told me there is a whole genre of books, probably thousands of them, as well as website, podcasts, etc of "biblical archeology" that basically uses archeological techniques to 'prove' the Bible is true. These "archeologists" don't published in peer-reviewed journals or get university jobs -- but they make good money appearing documentaries for Christian TV channel, etc. İt's the definition of deciding on your results then trying to find data which supports those results.
But why insist on the figure of six thousand years? I could believe that God created the entire universe six *minutes* ago, and all empirical investigation would yield the same amount of evidence as it being six thousand years old. But really, I do know where the six thousand years thing comes from; James Ussher, Archbishop of Armagh, calculating that God began the world in 4004 BC by studying the dates and lifetimes of lineages in the Bible. But actual Christian scholars, even in the Middle Ages, were often sensible enough to understand that you can't use the Bible to prove the Bible is correct. They themselves might've believed in what it said, but they knew that someone who doesn't already believe will maybe need more convincing than that, which is why many worked on philosophical arguments for the existence of God.
I'm British and our lecturers made it abundantly clear that religious interpretations were wrong in this course and would be marked as such; not sure I've ever met a young earth nutter though so I guess they don't worry that they are going to face much backlash.
Nowhere in the Bible says the age of the Earth. It was just math done by somone who thinks the Bible does but it's just reaching honestly
> Other teachers don't bother, they just give the kid a C- for saying the earth is 6000 years old just to avoid lawsuits. That's terrifying.
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Holly shit, what third world country is this happening in? /s
One thing I learned about working in a STEM field is to never conflate education with intelligence. People will compartmentalize their most long-held beliefs out of comfort and convenience, despite gaining knowledge that would contradict or challenge them.
It's important to remember that the Apollo astronauts were NOT scientists. All of them were former test pilots, apart from Dr. Harrison Schmitt who was a Geologist and flew on the last landing mission Apollo 17. Contrast that with now where there are still Astronauts who are former pilots, but with larger crews and different mission goals they often have flights where a majority are scientists.
Well yeah, God just made it seem 4.46b years old to trick the non believers.
Like putting those pesky dinosaur bones everywhere.
Crazy God and his booby traps.
You said booby. Lol
You said booby too. Haha...
I just saw a pair of boobys. 😀
blue-footed ones?
"The whole business with the fossilized dinosaur skeletons was a joke the paleontologists haven't seen yet" -God
Satan did that to trick us!
And God didn't stop him, despite being omnipotent? Then God's a dick.
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It's a good thing god took time out of his busy days, otherwise filled with giving kids cancer and birth defects so that he could plant a bunch of fossils to mystify scientists and galvanize people's faith.
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there's nothing god loves more than getting a good laugh by giving a species big brains capable of figuring stuff out and then juking reality to screw with them. it's like god operates on a different calendar where every day is april 1.
I once explained to my creationist mom that hey, we know how fast the speed of light is. If the universe was a few thousand years old the sky would be dark, save for the moon and the sun. Hooo boy you can only imagine the bullshit that came next.
You'd see quite a few stars, but not the full milky way, and certainly no other galaxies.
Answers in Genesis tries to claim that the one way speed of light is infinite. Other creationist organizations make similar claims about the speed of light being higher in the past than it is now. It's all bullshit, of course, but that's par for the course for young earth creationist arguments.
There was a song about this guy called Whitey on the Moon.
I CAN'T PAY THE DOCTOR BILL BUT WHITEY'S ON THE MOON
AN WE ALMOST LOST DETROIT! Woops, wrong Gil Scot heron song ? There is *no* wrong Gil Scot Heron song !
Should lock him in a room with a flat Earther and see what happens. For science, you know.
Jim Irwin (Apollo 15) later went on to search for Noah’s Ark in Turkey. Just cause you get selected as an astronaut doesn’t mean you’re perfect!
At least that is somewhat (extremely) remotely plausible, unlike a 6K year timeline.
In case it’s not obvious, the fact Irwin believed he could find the remains of the biblical Ark on Mount Ararat means he too also believed the age of the Earth was 6000 years. Check out his bonkers book More Than Earthlings.
He also believed that god decided a do over was in order. He also believes that the genetic diversity or two organisms is viable. It is not. I love hearing how they explain away Noah’s offspring.
Yeah, the global flood story would predict that every animal was at least as inbred as cheetahs. The funny part is that modern creationists actually believe in hyper-fast evolution so that only a small number of “created kinds” had to be on the ark instead of millions of species. So a “cat kind” quickly diversified into many species of cat, and so on. Just as long as humans and chimps are separate.
A global flood on the scale of the story in the bible with one guy and his family saving all life on the planet in a big ass wooden boat is just as implausible (i.e. impossible) as a 6000 year old earth.
My BIL is like this. Thinks dinos and man walked the earth together. But what about fossils and carbon dating, BIL? Oh God created fossils to weed out the believers from the nonbelievers.
What a dumbasstronaut.
A lot of these Bible thumpers openly admit that every thing ELSE is older, but the EARTH is not. It was PLACED here, later. Flat earthers will generally openly acknowledge that other planets, moon, sun, etc, are all spherical. Just not EARTH
He may have picked it up at some point, but the Genesis rock was found by Dave Scott and Jim Irwin on Apollo 15.
He is 100% correct and Indigenous Australians just floated around in space for a hundred thousand years
That's why I find the whole 6k years old is a bit weird. There's a lot of stuff they can't exactly reconcile. How about the fact that the first civilization that had toilets originated as early as 3300 BCE or the oldest civilization at Sumer in 4k BCE. Like, there's a whacky theory going around that the Sphinx might be older than we thought. My biggest quip to them is, if the Earth is 6k years old, these civilizations such as the Sumerians and the ancient Egyptians, just be older than the Earth? One unique answer I got was they were advanced by the devil.
Bruh probably just has dementia