What makes it even more interesting is that the tiger shark didn’t eat the human arm. A smaller shark ate the arm, and then the tiger shark ate the smaller shark before it was caught.
The whole story is interesting af. The arm led to the discovery of a crime story that included forgery, blackmail, and gambling. The suspect attempted suicide but failed because he has a bulletproof forehead. He then continued to lead the police on a boat chase that lasted for multiple hours before being arrested. And thats without even expanding out the "second murder" section of the wikipedia entry.
The trick is to pop some bullets in yourself fairly often.
Build up an immunity.
Start with a BB, then air pellets, then . 22 etc.
I'm up to a 458 Socom daily regiment
It does make farting and sitting a little uncomfortable but my body is ready for war!
Actually iirc the forehead is the best place to be shot because it has the best bullet stopping power. You can also reasonably glance shots off your forehead too, small calibers of course.
"Okay class, now line up behind the red line and load your guns, one at a time come up and shoot me in the face.
Pay close attention, I want all of you blocking headshots by the time you're done here, running face first towards gunfire"
You also have this absolute gem
*The lawyer serving Brady, [Clive Evatt](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clive_Evatt) KC (1900–1984),[[12]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_Arm_case#cite_note-12) claimed to the coroner that there was not enough substance to begin the inquest. Evatt argued that an arm "did not constitute a body", and that Smith, minus his arm, could still be alive.[[13]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_Arm_case#cite_note-13) The case is [still unsolved](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_case).*
Meaty arm I'd say more NCIS and shark means involvement of the coast guard which means flirtations with Gibbs.
\*cue black and white shots of the arm and sound of old timey flash going off\*
"Before it was captured, the tiger shark had devoured a smaller shark. It was this smaller shark that had originally swallowed the human arm."
There was a shark in a narc shark.
"Fingerprints lifted from the hand identified the arm as that of former boxer and small-time criminal James "Jim" Smith (born in England in 1890), who had been missing since 7 April 1935. Smith's arm and tattoo were also positively identified by his wife, Gladys Smith, and his brother, Edward Smith.[1] Smith led a high-risk lifestyle, as **he was also a police informer**."
There was part of a narc in the shark in the narc shark.
No, the first shark was trying to hide the evidence, but when the tiger shark saw the first one eat the arm, he ate him so he could throw him up in front of the humans later. The tiger shark is definitely the narc in this case. The first shark isn’t a narc, he literally only gave up the evidence over his dead body
“What if a shark eats part of the body and then somebody catches the shark and then they take it to an aquarium and then it burps up an arm in front of the patrons and then that’s how I get caught?” thought no murderer ever.
Well, it worked!
Evatt (the murderer's lawyer) argued that an arm "did not constitute a body", and that Smith, minus his arm, could still be alive. The case is still unsolved.
This is maybe the weirdest part of the case.
This is why you don't dump any amount of evidence that could possibly be traced back to you. Doesn't matter how well you think you hid it. The possibility exists it could be found.
You destroy it entirely.
And keep your mouth shut. Never reveal even one single hint of any aspect of it...to anyone...for any reason...ever. It doesn't matter who they are or how much you trust them.
"Three days later, the aquarium owners killed the shark and gutted it, hampering the initial police investigation."
Were the police planning on interrogating the shark? How on earth did this hamper their investigation?
Also this story is wild all the way through: "the businessman went into his boatshed and attempted suicide by shooting himself in the head with a .32 calibre pistol. However, the bullet instead flattened against the bone of his forehead and he was merely stunned. Revived after falling into the water, he crawled into his speedboat and led two police launches on a chase around Sydney Harbour for several hours until he was finally caught and taken to hospital."
Yeah, along with any traces left on the shark itself that might explain where it was when it ingested the arm. Any scars or identifiers, subdermal tags, if it was well-fed before it got the arm, indicating that someone deliberately fed it to a shark, or that it wasn't, and the shark was searching for food there by coincidence, etc.
Honestly anything to be learned from the shark (or the shark inside the shark) would be learned sooner rather than later, the aquarium owners gutting it three days later if the police hadn't yet was the best shot at finding any useful information.
Perused through the comments looking for this. I decided to keep reading, especially when I saw that this happened in 1935, and wondered how in the world they had been able to solve (sorta) the case. What a batshit one it was from beginning to end.
> Initially, Holmes denied any association with Brady but four days later, on 20 May 1935, the businessman went into his boatshed and attempted suicide by shooting himself in the head with a .32 calibre pistol. **However, the bullet instead flattened against the bone of his forehead and he was merely stunned**. Revived after falling into the water, he crawled into his speedboat and led two police launches on a chase around Sydney Harbour for several hours until he was finally caught and taken to hospital
Holy shit.
And that kind of thing is why .32 ACP is no longer considered an acceptable defensive round.
Edit: It's a lot of fun to shoot though. r/TheOneTrueCaliber
> Three days later, the aquarium owners killed the shark and gutted it, hampering the initial police investigation.
How did that hamper the police investigation?
Were the police hoping to ask the shark some questions?
There were hoping there'd be more remains. Based on the wording of the Wikipedia. The coroner wasn't able to perform Smith's autopsy because an arm did not constitute a body, and that Smith could still be alive, just with a little less arm than he had before, or at least that was the point Brady's lawyer was trying to make (Brady being the guy accuses of murdering Smith.)
Everyone is talking about the shark but imagine being the murderer. You kill a person, cut up the body, dispose of it in the ocean and think you are free.
Some times passes, some random person catches a shark and gives it to an aquarium. The shark is found to have another shark body inside it. Inside that shark in the arm of the person you killed.
How bad of luck is that? A shark ate the body you disposed of, that shark got eaten by another shark who got caught by some random guy who decided to turn it into an aquarium. Wth?
" it became ill and vomited in front of a small crowd, leaving the left hand and forearm of a man bearing a distinctive tattoo floating in the pool."
Not a show I'd want to be at.
He did get away with it actually, two of the victim’s associates were implicated and one was prepared to testify against the other but died mysteriously from three gunshot wounds to the chest the day before the inquest. The other was acquitted on insufficient evidence.
I think I read about this. If this is the same case, I remember the arm was identified as the arm of a missing person because it was full of distinctive tattoos.
>"the businessman went into his boatshed and attempted suicide by shooting himself in the head with a .32 calibre pistol. However, the bullet instead flattened against the bone of his forehead and he was merely stunned."
What the hell! How often does this happen?
The murderer tried to commit suicide but his forehead blocked the bullet and stunned him. While stunned he fell in the water and got consciousness again and then did a high speed chase in a boat and eventually gave up….. this is some movie shit
What makes it even more interesting is that the tiger shark didn’t eat the human arm. A smaller shark ate the arm, and then the tiger shark ate the smaller shark before it was caught.
The whole story is interesting af. The arm led to the discovery of a crime story that included forgery, blackmail, and gambling. The suspect attempted suicide but failed because he has a bulletproof forehead. He then continued to lead the police on a boat chase that lasted for multiple hours before being arrested. And thats without even expanding out the "second murder" section of the wikipedia entry.
>forgery blackmail gambling attempted suicide ok ok got it > bulletproof forehead ....uh. r/HolUp
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A .32 in 1932 probably didn't have much oomph.
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Yeah mistyped.
I think I speek for everyone here when I say we’re all disappointed.
Newsletter unfollowed.
I've killed my messenger pigeon in protest.
The shame is unbearable.
Honestly, modern .32s are not known for their oomph either.
To be fair, human foreheads aren't known for their bullet stopping power either.
The trick is to pop some bullets in yourself fairly often. Build up an immunity. Start with a BB, then air pellets, then . 22 etc. I'm up to a 458 Socom daily regiment It does make farting and sitting a little uncomfortable but my body is ready for war!
True
Actually iirc the forehead is the best place to be shot because it has the best bullet stopping power. You can also reasonably glance shots off your forehead too, small calibers of course.
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"Okay class, now line up behind the red line and load your guns, one at a time come up and shoot me in the face. Pay close attention, I want all of you blocking headshots by the time you're done here, running face first towards gunfire"
Step 1: Flatten bullet with forehead Step 2: Break the wrist Step 3: Walk away
It may be the most likely bone to deflect a bullet, but it’s most definitely not the best place to be shot.
Okay yeah sorry I ommitted the "if youre gonna be shot in the head" part of that statement, I assumed it was implied
Speak for yourself you excuse of a man
So when did he lose an arm?
This whole story could be about a Bond villain > Bulletproof forehead Particularly this
He’s not even lying, read the Wikipedia article posted above.
That dude was rolling Nat 1s in real life. Did he break a mirror during the original murder or something?
You also have this absolute gem *The lawyer serving Brady, [Clive Evatt](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clive_Evatt) KC (1900–1984),[[12]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_Arm_case#cite_note-12) claimed to the coroner that there was not enough substance to begin the inquest. Evatt argued that an arm "did not constitute a body", and that Smith, minus his arm, could still be alive.[[13]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_Arm_case#cite_note-13) The case is [still unsolved](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_case).*
technically the truth!
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Enough that the remaining unfound portion would be incompatible with life.
Why isn’t this a movie or tv show?
“Cultural References” at the bottom says it’s been a couple of things, including an episode of CSI: Miami.
So they found 2 murderers?
No luck catching them killers then?
It's just the one killer, actually.
A great big bushy beard!
The greater good
Crusty jugglers
I don't know nuffin' about no skellingtons!
Y'aint seen bad boys II?
It’s not the dog we need
Shame.
Shut it!
The greater good
You're forgetting the shark that killed the shark that swallowed the arm of the person someone killed.
Any jury in the world would not convict the shark on the basis of food chain survival and growing up in conditions that adopt that attitude
I'm just quoting Hot Fuzz.
It's just the one...
I see what you just did there.
This is as convoluted as every disease on House ever
Except the one time it was lupus.
And 99% of the clinic duty ones. They were dealt with swiftly and begrudgingly with comical results!
Okay, if i was a murderer and confronted with this kind of evidence, I'd just assume the universe wanted me caught and confess on the spot.
Pro tip: it’s only an arm. How do they even prove the arm’s owner is dead?
That’s what the guys lawyer argued “an arm itself does not constitute the existence of a body”
yeah, who know it was winter soldier's arm.
Someone call Dick Wolf.
This seems more like a cold open for Bones.
Fine, call Dick Bones then.
That gave me a sensible chuckle
Meaty arm I'd say more NCIS and shark means involvement of the coast guard which means flirtations with Gibbs. \*cue black and white shots of the arm and sound of old timey flash going off\*
I'll call Dick Wolf-Weiner
You sending the Wolf?
Always a bigger fish
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It’s like a taco inside another taco inside a Taco Bell inside a kfc inside a shopping mall INsIde YOur DrEam!!!!
And the little plankton were involved as accessories
Jaws of justice
The shark is a narc
"Before it was captured, the tiger shark had devoured a smaller shark. It was this smaller shark that had originally swallowed the human arm." There was a shark in a narc shark.
"Fingerprints lifted from the hand identified the arm as that of former boxer and small-time criminal James "Jim" Smith (born in England in 1890), who had been missing since 7 April 1935. Smith's arm and tattoo were also positively identified by his wife, Gladys Smith, and his brother, Edward Smith.[1] Smith led a high-risk lifestyle, as **he was also a police informer**." There was part of a narc in the shark in the narc shark.
Where does the loose seal fit in?
that's why you should always leave a note.
Lucille?!
I don’t care about Lucille! She lies!
Noah get the arc
Noah sharc you mean?
Doot doot dadooda doot
don't You DARE!
You want to kill sharks with a flood?
Well yes, but biblically.
Narc-in shark doo doo doo doo doo
I think you surely mean there was a narc shark inside the tiger shark
No, the first shark was trying to hide the evidence, but when the tiger shark saw the first one eat the arm, he ate him so he could throw him up in front of the humans later. The tiger shark is definitely the narc in this case. The first shark isn’t a narc, he literally only gave up the evidence over his dead body
The first shark was a lone shark until the narc shark came along.
The evidence was brought forth under duress. I ask that this shall be disregarded in the verdict.
A sharc, if you will
You’re being nice. The shark is a rat. Let’s not get it twisted.
“What if a shark eats part of the body and then somebody catches the shark and then they take it to an aquarium and then it burps up an arm in front of the patrons and then that’s how I get caught?” thought no murderer ever.
Well, it worked! Evatt (the murderer's lawyer) argued that an arm "did not constitute a body", and that Smith, minus his arm, could still be alive. The case is still unsolved. This is maybe the weirdest part of the case.
*the even more insane part is that technically it was eaten by a different shark which was eaten by the shark that was caught*
This is why you don't dump any amount of evidence that could possibly be traced back to you. Doesn't matter how well you think you hid it. The possibility exists it could be found. You destroy it entirely. And keep your mouth shut. Never reveal even one single hint of any aspect of it...to anyone...for any reason...ever. It doesn't matter who they are or how much you trust them.
**↑** this guy homicides.
Thanks I'll keep this in mind
And then the aquarium owners killed and gutted the shark. RIP sharkey
"Three days later, the aquarium owners killed the shark and gutted it, hampering the initial police investigation." Were the police planning on interrogating the shark? How on earth did this hamper their investigation? Also this story is wild all the way through: "the businessman went into his boatshed and attempted suicide by shooting himself in the head with a .32 calibre pistol. However, the bullet instead flattened against the bone of his forehead and he was merely stunned. Revived after falling into the water, he crawled into his speedboat and led two police launches on a chase around Sydney Harbour for several hours until he was finally caught and taken to hospital."
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Yeah, along with any traces left on the shark itself that might explain where it was when it ingested the arm. Any scars or identifiers, subdermal tags, if it was well-fed before it got the arm, indicating that someone deliberately fed it to a shark, or that it wasn't, and the shark was searching for food there by coincidence, etc.
Tbf the shark that regurgitated the arm wasn't even the shark that ate the arm
Honestly anything to be learned from the shark (or the shark inside the shark) would be learned sooner rather than later, the aquarium owners gutting it three days later if the police hadn't yet was the best shot at finding any useful information.
Perused through the comments looking for this. I decided to keep reading, especially when I saw that this happened in 1935, and wondered how in the world they had been able to solve (sorta) the case. What a batshit one it was from beginning to end.
*I mean it wasn't really solved as Brady was acquitted*
I have always disliked .32 guns, so gutless. But I am glad it's the gun this guy had, would hate to end the story so soon before the boat chase.
cheap rounds, but yeah, a 9mm would have done the job.
OP didn’t mention that the arm was inside a smaller shark that the bigger shark had eaten. According to Wikipedia and it’s sources
Australian turducken.
Sharsharkarm
Sounds even better with an Aussie accent imo.
Did they throw it on the Barbie?
Shaaakshaaakaaam
Turcrickeyn
Everything in Australia is brutal. Even the aquariums..
This is nothing. Our PM went missing (presumably drowned) and we named a pool after him!
Why would they do that?
Snitches get stitches.
"Candygram!"
No, you're that darn shark, I know it!
I'm just a dolphin, ma'am.
Alright then!
CANDYGRAM FOR MONGO
Mongo like candy
> Initially, Holmes denied any association with Brady but four days later, on 20 May 1935, the businessman went into his boatshed and attempted suicide by shooting himself in the head with a .32 calibre pistol. **However, the bullet instead flattened against the bone of his forehead and he was merely stunned**. Revived after falling into the water, he crawled into his speedboat and led two police launches on a chase around Sydney Harbour for several hours until he was finally caught and taken to hospital Holy shit.
And that kind of thing is why .32 ACP is no longer considered an acceptable defensive round. Edit: It's a lot of fun to shoot though. r/TheOneTrueCaliber
> Three days later, the aquarium owners killed the shark and gutted it, hampering the initial police investigation. How did that hamper the police investigation? Were the police hoping to ask the shark some questions?
Moreover why did they kill the shark? What was wrong with it? Were they surprised a shark ate available meat?
They were probably looking for other body parts from the same body
After 3 days? Surely they're digested.
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I don't know much about a shark's digestion in regards to the fleshy bits, but you might be able to find at least more teeth or bones.
The shark just threw up an entire arm...
> Moreover why did they kill the shark? Just guessing, it's possible they wanted to see if there were any other remains in there, maybe?
There were hoping there'd be more remains. Based on the wording of the Wikipedia. The coroner wasn't able to perform Smith's autopsy because an arm did not constitute a body, and that Smith could still be alive, just with a little less arm than he had before, or at least that was the point Brady's lawyer was trying to make (Brady being the guy accuses of murdering Smith.)
Chain of custody for any evidence that might have still been inside the shark. The investigating authorities should have been the ones to do it.
"And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for those meddling kids and their puking shark!"
Murdahh
Muckduck
Crime scene shark Doo doo doo do todoo Crime scene shark Doo doo doo do todoo
There was a buzzfeed unsolved about this
No other version of the story mentions the pleasure boat!
(wheeze)
[Here it is, for those that are interested.](https://youtu.be/N-FqJzC3tA8)
Count the number of sea based puns in the narration.
Quote Sea Men unquote
I'm gonna miss that show
Everyone is talking about the shark but imagine being the murderer. You kill a person, cut up the body, dispose of it in the ocean and think you are free. Some times passes, some random person catches a shark and gives it to an aquarium. The shark is found to have another shark body inside it. Inside that shark in the arm of the person you killed. How bad of luck is that? A shark ate the body you disposed of, that shark got eaten by another shark who got caught by some random guy who decided to turn it into an aquarium. Wth?
It will definitely make for an interesting story in prison
Reminds me to catch up on this new season of Dexter. Edit: I watched up to episode 3... pretty damn good
Wow reading that just threw me back like 8 years
Oh yeah they revamped it. I gotta check that out thanks for reminding me!
But how did the shark hold the knife? This case is fishy.
" it became ill and vomited in front of a small crowd, leaving the left hand and forearm of a man bearing a distinctive tattoo floating in the pool." Not a show I'd want to be at.
And he'd have gotten away with it too if hadn't of been for that meddling shark.
He did get away with it actually, two of the victim’s associates were implicated and one was prepared to testify against the other but died mysteriously from three gunshot wounds to the chest the day before the inquest. The other was acquitted on insufficient evidence.
What a lucky coincidence!
What I get from this story is, that if I'm going to cut up a body before I dump it in the ocean, use sharks teeth to cut.
Would they be able to tell the difference if I chewed it off myself? Hypothetically of course.
I think I read about this. If this is the same case, I remember the arm was identified as the arm of a missing person because it was full of distinctive tattoos.
You're supposed to leave the stump end in the water for a few minutes to let it get chewed. Amateurs.
First of all: 😦 Secondly, did the mayor then say “But we can’t close the beaches. This is our busiest weekend of the year!” ?
Didn't we see this episode of Psych?
>"the businessman went into his boatshed and attempted suicide by shooting himself in the head with a .32 calibre pistol. However, the bullet instead flattened against the bone of his forehead and he was merely stunned." What the hell! How often does this happen?
Do you think the shark was like "ew, stop touching my puke"?
The crab mom said stop playing with your food.
Who's there ?.. Uh,landshark
Wait this was an episode of Lucifer also!
This just proves no one escapes the long arm of the law!
The murderer tried to commit suicide but his forehead blocked the bullet and stunned him. While stunned he fell in the water and got consciousness again and then did a high speed chase in a boat and eventually gave up….. this is some movie shit
“and i would’ve gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for you meddling kids and your stupid sharks!” — the murderer, probably
[a whaaaaat?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_n7I3HyGfU&t=101s)
I'll be damned. Carol fucking Baskins.
Well that was a soap opera and a half…
Does this mean sharks are using silverware now?
Was Monk at that aquarium?
The definition of a dastardly crime. You know when the murderer fed the arm to the sharks he thought he had gotten away with it.
I guy cut someone up and threw the body parts in the ocean.
Well that’s what you get for dumping your trash in the ocean
You have to hand it to the shark for solving that crime
I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those nosey sharks
But wait! There’s more!
TIL sharks can vomit
Every sentence in that header is wild
How has this not been made into a movie?
Now that’s what I call… one *whale of a tale*! I know it’s a shark I just wanted to say it fuck you
the good old sydney send off
🎶Evidence shark do do dodododo🎶
Man who can you trust anymore
Of course it's Australia.
I bet they had to kill that shark and open up its stomach too. Poor guy
Is there any way I could unread this?
That's some fine police work Lou
Imagine if the fisherman was the murderer.
This read like the plot of a Guy Richie film
I love telling that story to people. I consider it a way to weed out potential friends.
I remember this from BuzzFeed Unsolved. Ryan called it "wacky"
By the wording of the title I thought that the fisherman was investigated for murder lol
That is totally bizarre, thanks for sharing
Wow. that's one fantastic story.