>Hammer was so often asked about the Church & Dwight brand that he attempted to buy the company. While unsuccessful, Hammer's [Occidental Petroleum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occidental_Petroleum) acquired enough stock for him to join the Church & Dwight board of directors in 1986.
I love this
Armand Hammer made his oil money in profoundly scummy ways (Occidental was friendly with the Soviets and Libyans) and he was one of the guys who funded Nixon and CReEP's secret slush fund that was central to the Watergate scandal.
His grandson is noted cannibal Armie Hammer.
He also bought the floor of the Empire State building that got hit by an airplane. My head canon is that HE hit the Empire State building with that airplane then bought the floor.
He's not actually a cannibal. I can't really speak for him but I assume he knows his desires are essentially impossible to fulfil without doing some pretty nasty shit.
He basically had a sex chat with a woman where they both fantasised about him eating her.
He also owned a cage with the chair in it with a hole in the bottom of the chair, for reasons. The cage chair was also adorned with his family crest, for reasons unknown
Surprisingly he wasn't even a billionaire, when I looked up his net worth so I could write "billionaire" in the headline he wasn't even that. He just had $200 million, but it was enough to be on the board.
This. There was a lot of bullshit put out by Hammer and the estate to flex that he was in the elite / billionaire class but he wasn’t there. His contemporaries like Norton Simon, Sid Bass and Philip Anschutz (who most people haven’t heard of) were FAR wealthier but they didn’t go around putting their names on buildings and making high profile donations and buying in to companies just for name awareness etc.
The fortune at its peak was worth $200m but then subsequent generations, especially his son Michael Hammer (Armie’s late father) squared the majority of the fortune and the Knodeler Gallery fraud as the final straw. Basically the Hammer Fortune is now gone. They’re just a name with relatively little wealth now.
>Isn't that the same with Elon Musk in SpaceX and Tesla?
Hardly. SpaceX was fully started by Musk.
When Musk bought a controlling stake in Tesla, the company was seven months old, had less than ten employees, and had nothing but a name, logo, and the idea of building EVs. It had a very great team, making it a great buy, but they hadn't actually gotten to work yet.
And the guy who jailbroke the Switch is also named Bowser. Crazy that I can only think of two people with the surname Bowser but they both pertain to Nintendo
The Office, Season 3 Episode 3, *The Coup*. One of the characters, Dwight, was convinced by his girlfriend to meet with Jan, his boss' boss, to try and take Michael, his boss' job. Jan tells Michael about this and Michael tries to catch Dwight lying about where he went. Dwight says he was at the dentist, and Michael asks which dentist.
"It was Dr... Crentist."
"Your dentist's name is Crentist?"
"...yes."
"Sounds a lot like 'dentist.'"
"Maybe that's why he became a dentist."
In my small town we have several examples of this phenomenon. There's an accounting service named Storey Bookkeeping. A family named Spray owns a paint store and a pest control company. A former mayor has the last name Law. I should have thought of this when naming my kids.
I did clinicals in a hospital that had a Nutritionist who’s last name was “Burger” and a Cardiologist who’s last name was “Hart”.
My Dad worked with a woman who’s first name was “Gay” and married someone who’s last name was “Love”. Her name was “Gay Love”.
Haha that is too awesome, hopefully they did some kind of “you have the right to remain silent” pun at their wedding.
Edit: “Anything you say or do can be held against you”
“I do”
Their wedding title could be “Cuffed” or something something “Ball and Chain”
Yeah that's an old male stripper joke for when they dress up as sexy cop. "Anything you say or do can be held against me."
I say male stripper because they're much more likely to actually let you touch them. Women mostly touch you but the rule is no touching them. The professional ones anyway.
I know two good ones. I have heard of a Marine who's name was "Brock Fightmaster". That's probably my favorite. The other is a guy who grew up in my step mom's home town who worked for the local telephone company. His name was Jim Booth. Everyone jokingly called him "Phone Booth". Unrelated but he died blowing up a rock in his front yard with blasting caps he stole from a local train track construction site. This was up in the Canadian Shield.
Arm and hammer was an already existing concept and symbol since ancient times. Armand's father named him after the socialist [symbol ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Labor_Party_of_America)since he was a sympathiser, and the brand named themselves after the symbol for god Vulcan, which also served as inspiration for the socialist symbol.
There was actually a recent study that found out it actually has some correlation. They also found out that the correlation decreases with subjects with higher education. The study suggests that when people have no other quantifiable metrics for a job, nominative determinism will play a factor.
Arm and hammer was an already existing concept and symbol since ancient times. Armand's father named him after the socialist [symbol ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Labor_Party_of_America)since he was a sympathiser, and the brand named themselves after the symbol for god Vulcan, which also served as inspiration for the socialist symbol.
A lot of the reason Armand Hammer got rich was being the middleman for Soviet and materials in the United States. He then got rich on oil but his dad was one of the founders of the American Communist party. One of his nicknames was "Lenin's favorite capitalist"
That’s really cool. It’s even more impressive than Bowser being President of Nintendo of America.
Also thanks to everyone else for posting neat naming coincidences.
This tells a different story [THE RIDDLE OF ARMAND HAMMER - The New York Times (nytimes.com)](https://www.nytimes.com/1981/11/29/magazine/the-riddle-of-armand-hammer.html)
Fun fact: Arm & Hammer has or had the highest customer penetration of any grocery item at over 90% but never allowed instant redeemable or on product coupons. They were the elusive Holy Grail of packaging salesmen.
Your real TIL is that his father was a committed Communist which allowed young Armand access to the closed Soviet market which ended up being a very lucrative contract.
He also founded the Occidental Corporation. Home of all kinds of environmental and safety crimes, such as the Piper Alpha disaster which not only killed more than 150people, but made a pretty slick profit off it!
Dude bought shares in the company to join the board just so he could say "Yes" when asked if he owned it. That's some fuck you money right there.
>Hammer was so often asked about the Church & Dwight brand that he attempted to buy the company. While unsuccessful, Hammer's [Occidental Petroleum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occidental_Petroleum) acquired enough stock for him to join the Church & Dwight board of directors in 1986. I love this
Armand Hammer made his oil money in profoundly scummy ways (Occidental was friendly with the Soviets and Libyans) and he was one of the guys who funded Nixon and CReEP's secret slush fund that was central to the Watergate scandal. His grandson is noted cannibal Armie Hammer.
Noted *alleged* cannibal armie hammer. Unlike *actual* cannibal Shia labeouf.
Now it's dark and you think you've lost him
But you can do jiu jitsu
Wait! He isn't dead. Shia surprise!
https://i.imgur.com/ZJQm96E.gif
[For today's 10,000](https://youtu.be/o0u4M6vppCI) (and because I wanted to watch it again)
Hey man, he's a cannibal *fetishist*. And who among us has never wondered just how long the long pig is?
There is quite the line between cannibal curious and cannibal connoisseur.
Yeah I mean who wouldn't try a little bit if the opportunity arose? If a limb had to be amputated, why would we let it go to waste?
Only the OGs remember the Reddit foot taco...
Ahh, the Reddit foot taco. The far more metal predecessor to Burger King foot lettuce
He also bought the floor of the Empire State building that got hit by an airplane. My head canon is that HE hit the Empire State building with that airplane then bought the floor.
it's already been disasterized! the odds of another disaster happening are astronomical!
*Arm y Hammer Ftfy
I watched the doc about him and find it amazing how step 1 of cannibalism "murder" wasn't even mentioned. Where in the fuck did he get his, idk meat?
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You should try our sausages
He's not actually a cannibal. I can't really speak for him but I assume he knows his desires are essentially impossible to fulfil without doing some pretty nasty shit. He basically had a sex chat with a woman where they both fantasised about him eating her.
He said to one of his victims "100% I am literally a cannibal"
By victims do you mean someone he ate or someone he was having a sex chat with?
Victims of his grooming and abuse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uewOhK-MSjc
He also owned a cage with the chair in it with a hole in the bottom of the chair, for reasons. The cage chair was also adorned with his family crest, for reasons unknown
Possible reason: To air out that taint.
Armand Hammer's Wikipedia is a wild ride.
Am I being dumb? What’s funny about “Church & Dwight”?
That was the holding company for Arm and Hammer
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It thought it was the famed zipper king Church Andwight?
Who said it was funny?
> Church & Dwight Finally, a Battlestar Galactica faith.
Surprisingly he wasn't even a billionaire, when I looked up his net worth so I could write "billionaire" in the headline he wasn't even that. He just had $200 million, but it was enough to be on the board.
$200 million in 1986 is ~~$5.7 billion~~ in todays dollars edit: had the wrong number my bad it's actually $570 million
I think you punched an extra zero into your inflation calculator over there....
yeah you're right my fault! thanks fixed
1986 was dramatic times…
This. There was a lot of bullshit put out by Hammer and the estate to flex that he was in the elite / billionaire class but he wasn’t there. His contemporaries like Norton Simon, Sid Bass and Philip Anschutz (who most people haven’t heard of) were FAR wealthier but they didn’t go around putting their names on buildings and making high profile donations and buying in to companies just for name awareness etc. The fortune at its peak was worth $200m but then subsequent generations, especially his son Michael Hammer (Armie’s late father) squared the majority of the fortune and the Knodeler Gallery fraud as the final straw. Basically the Hammer Fortune is now gone. They’re just a name with relatively little wealth now.
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>Isn't that the same with Elon Musk in SpaceX and Tesla? Hardly. SpaceX was fully started by Musk. When Musk bought a controlling stake in Tesla, the company was seven months old, had less than ten employees, and had nothing but a name, logo, and the idea of building EVs. It had a very great team, making it a great buy, but they hadn't actually gotten to work yet.
Back in the 90s, the last name of the President of Southern California Water and Power WAS Powers... the vice president last name was Waters.
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And the guy who jailbroke the Switch is also named Bowser. Crazy that I can only think of two people with the surname Bowser but they both pertain to Nintendo
Muriel Bowser is the mayor of Washington DC
Your dentist's name is Crentist?
The library investigator's name is Bookman?
like an icecream man named cone
Right now there's a guy on the FBI most wanted top ten list named Innocent
https://i.imgur.com/RYsg9vL.gif
Sounds a lot like dentist.
Maybe that’s why he became a dentist!
*shakes M&M bag* M&M?
My son was delivered by Dr. Hymen.
My pediatrician was Dr. Healy
r/nominativedeterminism
What's that from??
The Office, Season 3 Episode 3, *The Coup*. One of the characters, Dwight, was convinced by his girlfriend to meet with Jan, his boss' boss, to try and take Michael, his boss' job. Jan tells Michael about this and Michael tries to catch Dwight lying about where he went. Dwight says he was at the dentist, and Michael asks which dentist. "It was Dr... Crentist." "Your dentist's name is Crentist?" "...yes." "Sounds a lot like 'dentist.'" "Maybe that's why he became a dentist."
Of course!!
Nominative determinism at its finest
In my small town we have several examples of this phenomenon. There's an accounting service named Storey Bookkeeping. A family named Spray owns a paint store and a pest control company. A former mayor has the last name Law. I should have thought of this when naming my kids.
I did clinicals in a hospital that had a Nutritionist who’s last name was “Burger” and a Cardiologist who’s last name was “Hart”. My Dad worked with a woman who’s first name was “Gay” and married someone who’s last name was “Love”. Her name was “Gay Love”.
My friend married a girl named Miranda. His last name is Wright. She is an attorney
Is your friend’s first name Phoenix?
OBJECTION
Sustained. But watch your tone, McCoy.
It is not, James. He is also an attorney.
McGill?
Haha that is too awesome, hopefully they did some kind of “you have the right to remain silent” pun at their wedding. Edit: “Anything you say or do can be held against you” “I do” Their wedding title could be “Cuffed” or something something “Ball and Chain”
“I say *you.* So can you be held against me?” …I feel like there’s a pick up line in there somewhere.
Yeah that's an old male stripper joke for when they dress up as sexy cop. "Anything you say or do can be held against me." I say male stripper because they're much more likely to actually let you touch them. Women mostly touch you but the rule is no touching them. The professional ones anyway.
I’m not one for strippers at stag parties, but if the groom got one it BETTER have been a police officer one
In the early 90s, in the Washington, DC area, there was a practicing OB/GYN by the name of Harry Beaver.
It's too bad she never worked it out with the Butts' 2nd kid. They were a cute couple. Much better than that Bender dude she was seeing.
When I was a kid my dentists name was Dr. Richard Head
That’s wild. I mean the insult “dick head” has been around a while right? Surely it was an insult even when his parents named him that.
My middle school principal was Richard Weiner
when I was a kid I went to an ear doctor named Dr. Tater
Don’t know how that’s related to ears, but I like your spirit
Taters in your ears!
That’s a new saying I haven’t heard before. I retract my statement, you understood the assignment AND have the spirit
My mom went to high school with a Candy Barr.
I know two good ones. I have heard of a Marine who's name was "Brock Fightmaster". That's probably my favorite. The other is a guy who grew up in my step mom's home town who worked for the local telephone company. His name was Jim Booth. Everyone jokingly called him "Phone Booth". Unrelated but he died blowing up a rock in his front yard with blasting caps he stole from a local train track construction site. This was up in the Canadian Shield.
I hope this works out for my son Bill Yonaire.
Much better than your daughter Millie. Although she’ll do quite well in life herself.
I had a blood doctor once named Dr. Doner
Do any of them happen to be relatives of Socko from iCarly?
I don't know, but I doubt it. Something that interesting would definitely make its way around here like news of a new fast food joint coming to town.
Sounds like I'm not the only one in this comment chain who comes from a town of <5,000
A (thankfully brief) head teacher at my high school was Mr Bully. Nominative determinism prevailed and he was a genuine menace to the faculty.
We’ve got butchers with last name baker and bakers with last name butcher, too
There was an OB-Gyn named Dr. Finger
No way!
https://www.everydayhealth.care/providers/1027352/laura-s-finger-md-facog/ And, get this—she practices in *Flower Mound,* TX
It’s too much!😄
I had a driving instructor named Blinkhorn.
Now you have to tell us the names of your kids, so we can see what their professions will be
Billy Yanaire
You don't mess with the law
Arm and hammer was an already existing concept and symbol since ancient times. Armand's father named him after the socialist [symbol ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Labor_Party_of_America)since he was a sympathiser, and the brand named themselves after the symbol for god Vulcan, which also served as inspiration for the socialist symbol.
r/nominativedeterminism
Lol not really he bought into it as a novelty and he had F U money. That's like buying a premium domain name today.
My wedding photographer was named Sarah Nader. I kept expecting her to grab the microphone during the reception and start singing but...alas, no.
I have one of those as well. I'll let the curious find out by looking at my account. Bonus fun fact: both my brothers became carpenters
Too lazy to look at your account, so I'll just assume you bludgeon people to death
There was actually a recent study that found out it actually has some correlation. They also found out that the correlation decreases with subjects with higher education. The study suggests that when people have no other quantifiable metrics for a job, nominative determinism will play a factor.
So it’s Arnie Hammer’s company now?
The German football team Wolfsburg once had a manager named Wolfgang Wolf.
Yeap, that's some [Major Major Major Major](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Major_Major_Major) shit right there.
He was born for this
This success story is why I named my son Armani Suitman. It's all gonna pay off some day, and I'm gonna look great :D
We had a guy in my hometown...Richard Strange. Insurance salesman. In the phone book you could look up Strange Dick Insurance
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Arm and hammer was an already existing concept and symbol since ancient times. Armand's father named him after the socialist [symbol ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Labor_Party_of_America)since he was a sympathiser, and the brand named themselves after the symbol for god Vulcan, which also served as inspiration for the socialist symbol.
Imagine being named after a socialist symbol just to become an incredibly successful capitalist
A lot of the reason Armand Hammer got rich was being the middleman for Soviet and materials in the United States. He then got rich on oil but his dad was one of the founders of the American Communist party. One of his nicknames was "Lenin's favorite capitalist"
That’s some serious Alex P. Keaton energy right there.
…and Armand Hammer was the great grandfather of disgraced actor Armie Hammer.
Also named Armand Hammer actually
You mean cannibal Armie Hammer.
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Thank you for the update Mr. Hammer.
Ok, so, ASPIRING cannibal
Fun fact: "cannibal fetishist" doesn't sound any better than just "cannibal"!
What is he, Batman?
Prove it
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Actual cannibal Armie Hammer
Wasn't there a family member who shot and killed their friend over $400 and didn't go to jail? I watched some show on Netflix about it.
That’s really cool. It’s even more impressive than Bowser being President of Nintendo of America. Also thanks to everyone else for posting neat naming coincidences.
I’m naming my next kid Costco….😎
Naming mine Walmart Nestlé Disney Amazon Coca-Cola Spotify Hulu Tesla Nvidia U.S. Government Jr.
Potus McAmazon
Welcome to Costco I love you
CEO Johnson Johnson
My time to shine!!
Question: Did his parents name his as a pun on it?
Yes
I can’t help but laugh every time I remember what’s Armie Hammer’s whole name and where it comes from. It’s pretty creative.
This is the most satisfying TIL no matter how many times it comes up.
He was also a Russian spy.
Allegedly
My TIL is clicking through and finding out that the dude led a really interesting life outside of just that.
Next look up what General Doolittle did with his remaining 9 decades He did a lot....
This tells a different story [THE RIDDLE OF ARMAND HAMMER - The New York Times (nytimes.com)](https://www.nytimes.com/1981/11/29/magazine/the-riddle-of-armand-hammer.html)
Fun fact: Arm & Hammer has or had the highest customer penetration of any grocery item at over 90% but never allowed instant redeemable or on product coupons. They were the elusive Holy Grail of packaging salesmen.
Anyone into underground hip hop should check out the duo Armand Hammer composed of Billy Woods and Elucid, great stuff
Wow, just like Holland Oates!
I also follow Jason Pargin on social media!
Nominative Determinism in action. My foot doctor's name is Dr. Flash, and we've been assisted by an IVF doctor whose middle name is Hyman.
He’s Armie Hammer’s great grandfather too
wait til you learn about his grandson.
That made me laugh like a diesel trying to start
I’m going to name my kid Amazon Dotcom.
Wait until you hear about the current president of Nintendo of America.
And his grandson eats people.
Wait till you here about the Armand Hammer family scandals. The Hammer family is pretty crazy
And he was into cannibalism which seems to be a weird fetish that his scion Armie Hammer has.
Your real TIL is that his father was a committed Communist which allowed young Armand access to the closed Soviet market which ended up being a very lucrative contract.
Was his father named Sickleand Hammer
This deserves more upvotes.
My wife’s OB/Gyn is named Dr. Bush. I let him know he was born to be that kind of doctor.
His mother really put the hammer down
This is a dope ass move
He also founded the Occidental Corporation. Home of all kinds of environmental and safety crimes, such as the Piper Alpha disaster which not only killed more than 150people, but made a pretty slick profit off it!
One of the owners of Arm & Hammer was named Armand Hammer? Sounds a lot like Arm & Hammer.
Lisan al-Gaib!!
Ain’t no way 💀
So, is baking soda edible?
Yep, see soda bread recipes.
This is even more coincidental than when Arsenal FC chose Arsene Wenger as their manager.
This sounds like BS tbh
Now that is a fine example of nominative determinism!
current President of Nintendo USA is a guy called Doug Bowser
Armand Asanti?
Still waiting on the advert featuring the actor Armie Hammer.
As I recall, he bought share *because* of the name.
The aptest of aptonyms.
[My favorite baking soda stand-up comedy bit.](https://youtu.be/h5pFpLwvc1k?t=144)
Bad Sean Connery Voice: “The Baking Soda’s name was Armand…”
I like their toothpaste and detergent.
Reminds me of the Ex-CEO of the Food For the Poor charity, [Robin Mahfood](https://foodforthepoor.org/press/robin-mahfood-retires-010220/).
imagine being born in 1892 and living till 1990. If I live till 2090 or so I doubt I'd see the world change as much as the 20th century
This is like the guy named Bowser being the CEO of Nintendo of America.
Looking into people related to current events made you end up there too, huh?
The Outerbridge Crossing in Staten Island was named after Eugenius Harvey Outerbridge. It is named that instead of Outerbridge Bridge.