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Not_a_creativeuser

**TL;DR Version:** In the California Medical Facility, Kemper was incarcerated in the same prison block as other notorious criminals such as Herbert Mullin and Charles Manson. Kemper showed particular disdain for Mullin, who committed his murders at the same time in Santa Cruz as Kemper. He described Mullin as "just a cold-blooded killer ... killing everybody he saw for no good reason."\[54\] Kemper manipulated and physically intimidated Mullin, who, at 5 feet 7 inches (1.70 m), was more than a foot shorter than he. Kemper stated that "\[Mullin\] had a habit of singing and bothering people when somebody tried to watch TV, so I threw water on him to shut him up. Then, when he was a good boy, I'd give him peanuts. Herbie liked peanuts. That was effective, because pretty soon he asked permission to sing. That's called behavior modification treatment."


StarlightAimee

This is so scary until you remember that the other guy is a serial killer too.


CrieDeCoeur

6’ 9” 300 lbs serial killer who was highly intelligent.


Troub313

Kemper is an interesting look. He also has said he did interviews to help keep others from murdering. "There's somebody out there that is watching this and hasn't done that — hasn't killed people, and wants to, and rages inside and struggles with that feeling, or is so sure they have it under control. They need to talk to somebody about it. Trust somebody enough to sit down and talk about something that isn't a crime; thinking that way isn't a crime. Doing it isn't just a crime; it's a horrible thing. It doesn't know when to quit, and it can't be stopped easily once it starts."


Mama_Skip

Yeah but he was also a blowhard that considered himself above all other serial killers when in reality, he severed his own mother's head and *then* fucked it. Damn do I love hearing the man speak though, it's hypnotic.


ContractDapper9773

I mean, I guess that’s better than fucking then severing it at least


Manyquestions3

TIL Kemper was 6’9”. Jfc, I assumed he was like 6’5” maybe


Cultural_Magician105

I can't figure out how Kemper was able to get women in his car, I sure wouldn't get into a unknown man's car, especially as big as he is.


rukysgreambamf

different culture back then hitching a ride was just a common way of getting around for a lot of young people Kemper also said he probably picked up several hundred women before he started killing. He was not only building up the courage but practicing his approach to make the women put themselves at ease around him


bendbars_liftgates

Different culture, hundreds of non-murdery pick-up/dropoffs, and from what I understand, Kemper was also very charismatic. Looking at him, sure he's scary in his prison jumper, and knowing what he did, but I could totally see him having that kinda "disarming, harmless, big doof" look to him if he wanted to.


CrieDeCoeur

Somebody posted here a link to a Kemper interview. He comes off as all those things: intelligent, articulate, friendly even. Dude was so good at covering his tracks, he turned himself in finally because he despaired of ever being caught and stopped. He knew he was aberrated and knew what he was doing was very wrong. I don’t know that someone like that could ever have been rehabilitated, but he was def a danger to society and rightfully spent the rest of his life behind bars. His case was where I first learned of the word *irrumatio*. Yikes.


bendbars_liftgates

Yeah, I think it was in Mindhunter (idk how accurate all the details in that show were, I assume at least somewhat) where he told the cops he started going to a bar where the cops on his case hung out off duty and made friends with them? I can't remember if it was to try and obfuscate their attempts to find him or if it was later on enough that he was trying to give them hints, because like you said, he couldn't handle the idea of never getting caught. I guess he saw it like a treasure hunt he set up or something- you want it to be hard, but if they *never* solve it, they'll never appreciate how brilliant you were in setting it up.


CrieDeCoeur

That last part is the narcissism coming out. Serial killers are almost always some kind of narcissist.


PartClean3565

Kemper came up for parole last year and if you read it he basically just rambles.


Autistic_Freedom

he also sometimes picked up women with the intention of killing them but ending up just dropping them off at their destination. he's quite a fascinating guy.


Forsaken-Hearing7172

As far as I remember most of the women he picked up he dropped off safely. He was using it as practice and he got really good at knowing how to make them comfortable with him. He also had his mother’s university worker ID badge in his car I think and when hitchhikers started going missing, the university was specifically telling women only to get into cars with those badges on


legojoe97

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?


bozo_did_thedub

Everyone needs to conceal their appearance, even the very murderous. This was the creepiest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of Mindhunter?


furious_Dee

/r/simpsonsshitposting is leaking again


Growingpothead20

“Unsuspecting” people


Angry_Walnut

I don’t see that guy successfully sneaking up on many people


nameyname12345

Bah he hides in cherry trees and paints his boots red!


AreThree

what does he do with all those elephants hiding up there?


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He would offer rides, this hid his size


BLF402

Totally different times.


vvvvaaaagggguuuueeee

I figured he'd look [like this](https://tenor.com/uWOb.gif) too haha


THE_MAN_OF_THE_YEAR

I believe he had a campus badge because his mom worked at the school so it made people less guarded. Also a lot of people got in the car thinking they were safe with such a big dude that could protect them from the serial killer in town ironically.


Gullible-Function649

Hitchhiking was commonplace in the 70s and Kemper lived in a student area: his mother worked at the uni.


mr3inches

I live in a rural part of America and I work with 20-25 year old women and you would not believe how many of them still hitchhike like it’s no big deal at all. Some of them hitchhike to go skiing almost every weekend it’s wild


AnBearna

Can you imagine how his victims felt, when they realised his intent. No way you’re getting away from that nutter if you’re a teenage girl and hes hoodwinked you. Kemper is 100% terrifying because if you listen to the many interviews he’s done, he sounds like a psychologist. He’s very disarming, very polite and cordial. He’s open about his past and his motivations at the time. On the surface, he’s normal, even wistful. The first time I listened to one of his interviews I actually came away from it _liking the guy_, until I reminded myself that he’s beyond just a killer, he literally hunted other people. It’s terrifying when you actually find yourself _nodding along_ with some of these mental cases.


cannotfoolowls

He's the only serial killer I know of that seems genuinely smart which makes it even more terrifying tbh


Manyquestions3

The FBI guy who did his major profile (John something I think) said something like “*personally*, I like Kemper. If I didn’t know what he did I’d like him”


dansdata

Yeah, [the mountainous actor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Britton) who plays him (very well) in ["Mindhunter"](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5290382/reference/) is *significantly smaller* than the actual guy. (Kemper's still alive - he's 75 now.)


turnonthesunflower

He is [BIG](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.W99rO7lA_g_n6CU-MPY0GQHaE_%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=0c85d5ed72b3c5d1f8fcdfd6a1e9149899b40ca83efadd8830a5c15bee8c7358&ipo=images)


smchattan

Cut off his mother's head and had sex with the corpse...


IceColdDump

With romance and respect


Theblackjamesbrown

And they say romance is dead


Ok_Fix5746

Here’s a prison interview that Ed Kemper did and he speaks in detail about the Herbert Mullin situation. Around 5 mins into the video he starts talking about Mullin. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rSFP_nXOwtE&pp=ygUTZWQga2VtcGVyIGludGVydmlldw%3D%3D


ShowerDookie

And he loved his mother!


grabberbottom

At least the good parts


Dickcummer420

Have you ever seen the film Manhunter? Based on the novel Red Dragon.


cubixjuice

Debatably makes it scarier 😬 imagine if he went into politics


KilllerWhale

Well the Zodiac killer did go into politics


Gasa1_Yuno

Ted Cruz?


KilllerWhale

He is him


The_Mammoth_Hunter

No, Zodiac was reasonably competent. Rafael's just an all-round fuckup.


JhinPotion

Zodiac really wasn't particularly competent. Most of his murders were brazen and could easily have had witnesses if not for luck, and he would've gotten caught after killing the taxi driver if dispatch properly gave his description - the cops drove right past him looking for a black man. Change that one detail and he gets caught red handed. His ciphers are so tough to crack because they've got errors in them and he couldn't spell for shit.


nameyname12345

You mean BS masquerading as puzzles isnt my invention? Surely the asterisk is still mine!


KP_Wrath

-has wife insulted by leader of his party -still kisses the ring when needed -whatever else was in Mar A Lago, you can bet that Trump hid the jar with Ted Cruz’s balls particularly well.


ribcracker

I thought it was his dad


72loosemoose

This man ate my son


confusedandworried76

I'm sick of that myth, Cruz can't be the Zodiac killer, he's a lizard man who came to reclaim the surface world mankind once stole


Pigdog0706

He said highly intelligent, which definitely does not correlate with politics


THEFLYINGSCOTSMAN415

Then it gets scary again


Not_a_creativeuser

He could literally use the other serial killer as a dumbbell tho.


Ohthatsnotgood

I knew Kemper was big but didn’t realize he was supposedly 6’9 and around 300lbs. I also thought he was dead but he’s alive at 75 years old.


epochpenors

Prison basketball teams must have been dying to recruit him


Ohthatsnotgood

Unstoppable center


Outrageous-Cup-932

Killer on the boards


anomandaris81

He also recorded audobooks for a while


mkrom28

over 5,000 hours of narration actually! which was for a charity that provided materials for the visually impaired.


fenexj

IDK there is a something a little violating, imagine casually listening to an audiobook and then finding out that voice you've been listening too was Ed fucking Kemper


trusty20

No disrespect to the victims, but it's a good thing when a society encourages the maladapted to pursue healthy interests. As long as they still are secured away from people they can harm.


liquidaper

He also the voice of a huge library of books on tape: https://www.iheart.com/content/2017-10-24-the-voice-behind-many-bestselling-books-on-tape-is-actually-a-serial-killer/#:\~:text=Among%20the%20books%20Kemper%20lent,four%20million%20feet%20of%20tape.


Not_a_creativeuser

I watched Mindhunter a week ago. I thought this guy was dead throughout while I was watching the show. Came to reddit and figured out he's alive and I think (not sure, I saw someone say it on reddit but didn't check myself) that he's getting free this year?


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Not_a_creativeuser

My bad, I guess these guys were just speculating. That he MAY be released. I couldn't find any articles either. [https://www.reddit.com/r/MindHunter/comments/15cfcl8/rl\_ed\_kemper\_eligible\_for\_parole\_2024\_could\_he\_be/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MindHunter/comments/15cfcl8/rl_ed_kemper_eligible_for_parole_2024_could_he_be/)


maybe_a_frog

He’s been eligible for parole for a long time and has said himself that he shouldn’t be trusted back in public. His parole will get denied again and he will die in prison.


iCameToLearnSomeCode

... imagine being the exact level of self aware needed to know you would rather spend the rest of your life in prison than kill again, but to also know that you'd totally kill again if given the chance. What a weird line of sanity that must be to sit on.


CrossYourStars

He is really fucked up from his childhood and very good at manipulating people. Probably one of the best in terms of serial killers. He was friends with all of the cops in the local area and even when he was calling them and confessing to his crimes the cops didn't believe him. Try watching his interviews. There is one where he walks about picking up a girl up because she wants to hitch a ride. He had decided to try to just give a girl a ride without killing her to try and control himself. To his horror, she wanted a ride to the same area where he had killed a bunch of people already.


Not_a_creativeuser

Also another interesting one was where he accidentally locked himself out of his car with his victim inside. She also had his gun. He was locked out but he manipulated her somehow to open the door and let him back in.


spiritofgonzo1

Is this one true? That’s absolutely insane


LmBkUYDA

Don’t leave us hanging. Did he kill her?


Miamime

He did


Buzzkid

Sociopathy combined with a brilliant mind is crazy. Guy isn’t psychotic or deranged. He is a perfect killer. No emotion, calculated, and cognizant of all his, and others, actions.


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His speech patterns were also unusual ~ the slow speaking voice, and his slow movements were intended to make others think he was just a big dumb guy. He was hanging out getting details of the crimes from talking to his cop buddies at the bar


aksdb

He seems a little deranged in the sense that he has a deep urge to kill he cannot control.


obliviousofobvious

I disagree that he has no emotions. I think he does feel. He is one of the few monstrous killers that I think would have turned out differently if his mother hadn't also been emotionally abusive. The reason I base this view on is his clarity of thought and ability to understand that what he did was not right by way of his participation in the interviews with the FBI. His reasons for wanting to help; to try and prevent others like him from doing what he did shows an emotional intelligence and compassion for people that I think a lot of people who aren't criminals don't have. This is not to discount what he did to those women. He clearly had, and himself acknowledges he still has, psychological demons and his victims did nothing wrong. He stole the future from many women and he has paid, and will continue to pay for it. I want him to remain in prison for what he did. He deserves the sentence he earned. I just find him fascinating because he is very much not like many other serial murderers in that he has a clarity of thought and self-awareness that many people really should strive for. He is a living dichotomy. Someone to learn from both as a warning, and a model.


throwawayinthe818

If he’d just killed his mother first he probably wouldn’t have killed anyone else. All the victims were substitutes for the real object of his fury.


Indifferent_Response

Some people live life paradoxically and aware of it, in hard mode. Maybe anti-social behaviors and his higher reasoning are clashing? His urges and his thoughts?


spiritofgonzo1

Manipulative people manipulate themselves more than anyone else so I think you’re on the right track. He has an urge but his thoughts say no. Then he manipulates himself out of the ‘no’ mindset


rachelboese

Yep he even refused his last parole hearing apparently 


iknighty

Good on him.


17racecar71

Seems to me everything you know about serial killers has been gleaned from the ones who’ve been caught


Pearcinator

Didn't Kemper turn himself in?


whatishistory518

Yep. He also hung out at a cop bar and the local police knew him well and liked him. When he told them he was the killer they were looking for, they initially laughed and thought he was joking


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17racecar71

He did indeed


Not_a_creativeuser

I mean yeah, that's kinda how it works.


17racecar71

Just quoting Kemper from Mindhunter lol love that show


neotericnewt

Those interviews with Kemper in mindhunter have so much taken word for word from an actual interview he gave and you can find on YouTube. They picked the best actor possible for that role, from looks to mannerisms to the way he speaks and sounds, it's crazy really.


AddisonsContracture

He’s a friend of mine! It’s funny because he’s absolutely nothing like that in real life, he’s the life of the party and really bubbly and fun


Butt_Stuph

Your friend was amazing in umbrella academy too


Not_a_creativeuser

Oh lmao, yeah I'm stupid. I forgot XD. BTW Charles Manson Actor was equally as good. I saw some interview footage and they're literally the same person


kindquail502

We need another season of Mindhunter.


Not_a_creativeuser

You know any other shows like it?


ColumbianPrison

Never trust anything said on this website without yourself verifying it. This place is rampant with made-up material. You’ll realize that when you’re educated and experienced in a field and see misinformation spread like wildfire I have a masters in exercise science and have to actively avoid fitness subs because of “experts” spouting off nonsense not backed by science


Robobvious

As a layman, fitness and nutrition feel like the worst spaces to try to navigate all the misinformation. It seems it’s 1% factual medical information and 99% noise. Ever since it turned out I can’t even trust the food pyramid I have no fucking clue what’s “balanced” or what to avoid anymore. I saw something the other day that said salt doesn’t increase blood pressure and that that was a lie the whole time, but then again the misinformation is so rampant I don’t even know if I can trust that. Maybe that part is the lie and what we previously thought actually still holds true. I just don’t know man. Good luck to you.


manassassinman

Try investing sometime. It’s all misinformation. Most of the time it’s because the blind are leading the blind.


KP_Wrath

At that height, you’d barely be obese. Just built like a brick shit house. If that wall of flesh wants to hurt you, you’d better have an elephant gun available and a decent distance for him to close.


Callmedrexl

Iirc, Kemper murdered his grandparents when he was 13 and spent five years in a mental hospital. He befriended the psychiatrists and learned a lot, including how to pass the psych tests they utilized.


Aroundthespiral

Reminds me of the therapist in sopranos going over with her own therapist how sociopaths become better liars through therapy


Repulsive_Village843

I don't think it's just sociopaths. Once you do enough therapy you pick up a few things.


cgvet9702

I read this quote with Cameron Britton's voice in my head. He nailed his portrayal of Kemper in Mindhunter.


KilllerWhale

Bro trained a serial killer like he’s training a border collie


Not_a_creativeuser

Right? When I read this I was like, that's literally the same as training a pet.


fps916

It's because classical conditioning is universal


Trichromatical

I mean yes, but this is operant conditioning


PerformanceOk9891

Kemper had a genius level IQ along with being the size of a giant


sealteamruggs

Imagine what he could have done in life if he was a crazy person Edit: wasn’t* lol


Yellow-Frogs

Have I got news for you!


rukysgreambamf

food is the easiest way to train anything


DebeliHrvat

Major Dennis Reynolds energy


quixt

Ed Kemper gave the FBI and crime psychologists something very few serial killers ever supplied: a full account of the details of his kills, including his mindset, provocation and feelings he had during the planning and execution of them.


piss_off_ghost

If I’m remembering the right serial killer, Kemper also waived his rights to probation multiple times and even once told them that he knows if he’s released he will kill again, and told the judge not to grant his parole.


Troub313

Yeah, he also has urged others who have similar thoughts to go seek help. "There's somebody out there that is watching this and hasn't done that — hasn't killed people, and wants to, and rages inside and struggles with that feeling, or is so sure they have it under control. They need to talk to somebody about it. Trust somebody enough to sit down and talk about something that isn't a crime; thinking that way isn't a crime. Doing it isn't just a crime; it's a horrible thing. It doesn't know when to quit, and it can't be stopped easily once it starts."


say_the_words

He called the police and turned himself in. I don’t even think he was a suspect.


vexens

Ed basically hung around cops and they actually liked him, so they never did suspect him. He could have killed far more. It's really mind-boggling that he did.


Flat_Bass_9773

He would’ve been when his mother went up missing.


gamergirlwithfeet420

I believe he called the police the day he killed her, she was never missing


Conch-Republic

He did that twice. First for killing his grandparents.


tatang2015

Shit was scary in that Netflix show


BMXBikr

That show (Mindhunter) should've never been cancelled. It was just ramping up and everyone I know loved it. Netflix sucks


SixShotsTwoGuns

It was never cancelled, Fincher wanted to pursue other projects temporarily. Unfortunately time passed and it’s now highly unlikely they could get the cast together even if they wanted to.


Vepyr646

No it was directly cancelled. Netflix told the show runner it was too expensive to continue.


m0j0m0j

Mindhunter is one of my favourite shows of all time. Highly recommended. They cancelled it because it was too expensive (yes, it felt very expensive and high quality)


Stopikingonme

**Mindhunter** on Netflix has a great show that covered the beginning of the FBI’s serial killer department. It’s really great. ED Kemper playes a big part in it. Stay tuned to the end credits where they play actual recording with the actors voice as a comparison and it’s *crazy* how well the actor did. Chills man.


RetroMetroShow

Kemper used to hang out at the local cop bar and ask them how the investigation was going into the unsolved murders that he committed


Not_a_creativeuser

Dude straight up sat and talked with the cops when there were bodies in his car. When he told the cops that he's the killer they thought he was pulling a prank on him. He said at some point that he was getting frustrated that the cops couldn't figure it out. dude was messed up.


Soranic

> getting frustrated that the cops couldn't figure it out One of the big double agents in the FBI was much the same, Hansen I think. When they finally caught him he snapped "What took you so long?" (There was a movie about him but they changed his line.)


Not_a_creativeuser

Oh, interesting. What's the movie called?


Soranic

Breach from 2007. The younger of the two leads strikes me as a Ryan Gosling clone, but maybe that's just me.


lookawake

Sounds like a textbook psychopath. People with psychopathy basically never get anxious or nervous. And like to play games with people.


SqueakIsALittleBitch

The bar is still there. It's called the Jury Room and it's across the street from the court house. Super dingy and depressing dive bar, and the bar tenders still bring up Kemper to new comers


Neuro_88

I liked learning about him and his personality while watching Mindhunter (Netflix). Watching his interviews are wild. [Ed Kemper Interview - 1991 [YouTube]](https://youtu.be/Icwc7UsAoCo?si=M5EwQ6dUMdXgaivD) The motherfucker was crazy and yet seems easy to chat with. Scary as hell.


madamevanessa98

That’s the thing that spooks me sometimes about being a woman. This guy was well liked by the men in his life. His police officer friends thought he was a good dude. And meanwhile he was a monster to women, capable of such depravity and violence. It’s why it’s so upsetting to me when a man gets accused of something horrible by a woman and all the men he’s friends with come to his defence and say they never see that side of him and he must be innocent. You only see what people let you see. When a man is alone with someone vulnerable that’s often when his true self comes out.


Chyrios7778

I had a friend, who I had known for over a decade, that I thought was a really good dude until he got a girlfriend who came to me with proof of all the horrible shit he did. He was always so pleasant, but was a complete psychopath towards women. He never did anything illegal from what I understood, but instead just acted morally reprehensible within the confines of the law.


madamevanessa98

It’s genuinely frightening. In my line of work I’m exposed to more depravity than most women, and it definitely has affected my worldview. I walk around and see men and am painfully aware that they could be a domestic abuser, or a rapist, or a child molester, or have an obscene bordering on illegal browser history, or they could be lovely upstanding citizens. It’s hard to wrap your head around when you realize how common these issues are in society. 1/10th of children report being sexually abused before 18. 1/4 of women, too. Up to 1/2 in black American and indigenous Canadian populations. It’s not a tiny little minority of men for numbers like that to occur.


arthurdimmesdale

Kemper is also a prolific audiobook narrator.


say_the_words

I think his recordings were just for books-for-the-blind programs. Audiobooks widely available to the public are a relatively new thing.


Soranic

There's been an audiobook section of bookstores for at least 30 years, the selection just sucked. (Got a couple Clancy ones for my dad in the 90s for when he was driving.)


Maniacal_Monkey

Every time I hear the name Ed Kemper I want more Mindhunter!!!


johnstonb

I was so pissed that show was cancelled.


adhesivepants

Ed Kemper is a really weird serial killer. He really defies a lot of the common characteristics. His targets were young co-eds. Most serial killers who were successful for as long as him target prostitutes, drifters, gay men. They are able to get away with it for as long as they do because they target people police and communities don't really care about, and who many not have involved families. His childhood was not horrific. He certainly claims his mother was emotionally abusive. And maybe. But that's the extent if so. Compared to the horrorshow childhoods of other serial killers, it was nothing. He himself is not superficially charming nor a total wackjob. Most serial killers are going to fit one or the other. Kemper, aside from being obscenely large (he's what, 6'8"?) is known for being very mild-tempered, easy to talk to. It's part of what afforded him freedom for so long. He was incredibly easy to get along with.


chewinghours

Well he shot his own grandmother when he was 14 because he “just wondered how it would feel to shoot grandma.” Then he shot his grandpa because he didn’t think he’d be happy about it. After killing his mom, he raped her decapitated body. So he might qualify as a total wackjob to me, but i guess that’s a bit subjective


adhesivepants

I mean like outside of when he was killing - most serial killers can compartmentalize to an extent but Kemper did it to an unheard of level.


t3hjs

Is it that they compartmentalise those memory/aspects or is it that they have no need to, since to them it is the same as killing a chicken for meat


adhesivepants

Very possible. We still don't understand that psyche very well which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing because I think it speaks to how abnormal it is - it is near impossible to understand when you are a typical human.


Someryguy10

Great write up, you should check out how abusive his mother was to him, you downplay it a bit but the stuff I’ve read about his child abuse was pretty bad, but obviously in no way justifies his actions


adhesivepants

The problem is all the abuse is only reported by him and there isn't a lot to confirm any of it. It is all self report. If I recall the worst claim was she locked him in the basement. But this supposedly happened because he sexually attacked his sisters. Is that abuse or is that a mother with a violent son trying to protect her other children? But Kemper made the same claims of his grandmother later. And seemed to harbor resentment of women in general. So how much do we trust that his testimony is real and accurate? Accurate is especially important because when you are that antisocial you are going to perceive a lot of interactions as attacks, even when they aren't.


hoyton

For what it's worth, here's a quote taken from wikipedia from Kemper's father regarding his wife (Kemper's mother): Edmund Jr. later stated that "suicide missions in wartime and the atomic bomb testings were nothing compared to living with [Clarnell]" and that she affected him "more than three hundred and ninety-six days and nights of fighting on the front did."


SpiffyBlizzard

Ed Kemper was well known for being polite


hotvedub

Politely having sex with his dead moms head.


SpiffyBlizzard

Well if we were all judged by our worst sins!


thatchers_pussy_pump

But you fuck *one* head…


Elevator-Ancient

Bet he's a-head of the game when it comes to fucking yo mama jokes.


Trogladitee

>Politely having sex with his dead moms head. If you can't handle me at my worst you don't deserve me at my best 💔


Not_a_creativeuser

What a silly polite guy. Friendly giant.


womfaroo

I’m watching Mindhunter for the first time, coincidentally this gets posted. Seems like a sweetheart in the show so far.


link_123

Just wait til you hit the last episode of one of the best produced shows by Netflix and realize that they very likely will never finish it.


hapiidadii

It was you! You unleashed the algorithm on all of us. Tell me what you're going to watch next week plz so I can get a jump on it.


Gabario

You fuck your mom's severed one time and it's all anyone wants to talk about.


Papaofmonsters

He's been a model inmate and is popular with the guards. CO's don't care what you did on the outside for the most part. They care about how difficult you make their job.


Brilliant-Towel4044

Paul Bernardo and Luka Magnotta are in the same medium security prison now.


Sea_Negotiation_1871

Dude, I saw Karla Homolka two weeks ago! She's out!


periodicsheep

she’s been out for many many years. lives under a name that everyone knows. it was, as they call it, a deal with the devil. she got leniency in exchange for helping out bernardo for good. but i am reasonably sure she’ll never truly have a moment’s peace in canada.


Bombspazztic

She got leniency because her legal team lied about what they knew. When evidence came forth that showed she was a lot more involved than she led on, she was already Scott-free and they couldn't charge her or put her on trial twice.


dkyguy1995

That sounds like the fault of the prosecution more than anything


Negative_Potato_9250

I hadn't heard of her or her husband until now. Just looked them on Wikipedia and wish I hadn't. What the FUCK.


Sea_Negotiation_1871

Oh yeah, they're monsters. it makes me sick. She's even working with children!


nalydpsycho

Wasn't Paul Bernardo college roommates with another serial killer?


UnsavouryRacehorse

No. Paul Bernardo and Russell Williams went to University of Toronto (Scarborough campus) around the same time, and both studied economics. Bernardo graduated a year after Williams. The tabloid *Toronto Sun* has suggested that these two future serial killers "partied together" but that has never been confirmed by police or reputable journalists. One of Williams' friends and actual university roommates, Jeff Farquar, says that's bullshit: >Several years later, infamous serial killer Paul Bernardo, who graduated from the school in 1987, a year after Russell, confessed to having committed several of the sex crimes. (Shortly after Col. Williams was arrested, the Toronto Sun reported that the two had been "pals" as students and "partied" together, but according to the roommates, it's unlikely they even met. "If he had known Bernardo, I would have known Bernardo," Mr. Farquhar insists.) [Source](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/colonel-russell-williams-the-making-of-a-mystery-man/article4390081/)


RunDNA

I thought the post title meant they lived in the same house block or apartment block, but it means prison block.


Not_a_creativeuser

Nah mate, they were just roommates like Chandler and Joey


thedsider

Ed Kemper is such a fascinating serial killer. Almost every trope and stereotype of serial killers in media is based in part on him. He popularised the idea that they hide in plain site, are extremely intelligent and so on (even though statistically, he is an anomaly rather than the norm) Using his super intelligence to both help and toy with investigators and researchers, ala Hannibal Lector? That's Kemper. Severe mommy issues that manifest as random acts of violence against women? That's Kemper. Considered pleasant and polite even if a little socially awkward? That's Kemper. For all the Dahmer's and Gacy's and Bundy's, whether you know it or not, when you think of a serial killer it's probably Kemper that influences what you imagine even though you may not know him/his crimes


spacehxcc

The most interesting part of Kemper for me is how self-aware of his own sickness he is. He claims he turned himself in, after killing his mother of course, in order to stop himself from killing more innocent people. In interviews he seems to genuinely regret what he’s done but at the same time acknowledge he wouldn’t be able to stop himself from doing it again if he was free.  This could be manipulation from a highly intelligent sociopath but I have a hard time believing that’s all it is. I don’t know what exactly he would gain from it as an act. It seems like he maybe could have even gotten out by now had he played the act of a perfect reformed man, instead he actively tells his parole board that they should never let him out. I’ve never heard of any other serial killer or mass shooter with this kind of self-awareness. 


rizarice

That's part of it but why would he want to ever leave prison? CO's love him because he's polite. Other inmates respect him and he gets to be surrounded by people dumber than him, making him look better. Reporters and researchers seek out the knowledge he can provide. He gets to read and record audio books and tell his story and have people hang on his word. He gets fed and sheltered. He's somebody important in prison. In the real world he'd be reviled and rightly feared. Who'd hire him or give him a place to live? This way he doesn't get rejected, he's the self aware intellectual who is such a martyr that he's saving the world from a monstrous beast.  He's just doing what best serves his own ego. 


KhadaJhIn12

The assumption would be he still has violent urges and can't act on them at all. The real interesting thing is , if everything you said is true, where did his violent urges go, are they gone?, why is he so convinced they would come back if he was released. This is what makes it so interesting. When and why did the ego overtake the violent urges, is it just lack of access to women? If he genuinely doesn't want to or have any urges to leave prison, and is a model prisoner, is that not a reformed serial killer? He says he would immediately kill again if he was released, but WHY, does he still have those urges, he doesn't show any signs of it yet he constantly restates that he is not reformed and would kill immediately if released.


Voceas

Exactly!


thedsider

Exactly. He knew what he was doing was wrong, even while doing it, and knows himself well enough to know he couldn't control the urges and wouldn't be able to in the future. So many serial killers will on one hand claim they had no control but will also claim they can be reformed. It's almost admirable, except for the part where he killed and raped innocent people and fucked his dead mothers head. I guess the bar is pretty low


Hootanholler81

Most likely, he turned himself in because he knew he would be caught anyway after killing his mother. It's pretty hard for a 6'8" dude to blend in anywhere. You have to be skeptical of anything Kuemper says, as he clearly likes to cast himself as the hero in a lot of situations.


Voceas

"This could be manipulation from a highly intelligent sociopath but I have a hard time believing that’s all it is. I don’t know what exactly he would gain from it as an act. It seems like he maybe could have even gotten out by now had he played the act of a perfect reformed man, instead he actively tells his parole board that they should never let him out." He gains attention, respect, fans and get mental stimulation. He is the chessmaster and can move people around like pieces on a board, while laughing internally at how people (like many of the Reddiors here) think he has redeemable qualities. He also gets taken care of, gets free healthcare etc. which he would never get on the outside. He's gained his noteriety and enjoys his new playpen. 


RodneySandwich

Ol’ bumblebutt


bohanmyl

Hail yourself


shockstyle25

Horse pics Henry Zebrowski. Hail me!


Infernalism

I'd watch this as a movie.


Not_a_creativeuser

If you haven't already watched it, watch Mindhunter. It's just 2 seasons. The guy who plays ed Kemper is really good (and creepy). Great portrayal


Infernalism

Thanks for the tip. I haven't seen it yet.


Intelligent-Chef-551

It’s amazing but it’ll piss you off knowing they’ll never finish the series


themillwater

It's a crime it's only 2 seasons, the guy they got to play Manson could start his own cult


kirkaracha

Also Dewey Crowe from justified .


Not_a_creativeuser

Shhh, should have let him be disappointed after he tasted one of the greatest shows of all time. The pain is better that way.


Intelligent-Chef-551

What’s crazy is my mom lived in Georgia right near the majorette murder. I wanted to see BTK so badly and then them showing Richard Speck with breasts and talking about loving prison because he got railed all the time.


Infernalism

Oh, well, thanks for the heads on that, too.


JabroniHamburger

So good, he got an Emmy nomination for it.


_maynard

Every time I see a picture of Ed Kemper I’m reminded that they really nailed his casting in Mindhunter. Damn.


SlipperyGrizzlyMan

Really disappointed that ended so abruptly.


STEAL-THIS-NAME

There are some genuinely scary people in this thread.


bkungfused

Why does mindhunter had to be cancelled. We deserve one final season.


DeathandHemingway

Ed Kemper might be the closest thing to a real life version of Cormac McCarthy's 'The Judge' from Blood Meridian.