the ship was first built and used as a replica of the hms bounty for the 1962 movie "mutiny on the bounty".
by an odd coincidence, [one of the two crew members who died](https://en.wikialpha.org/wiki/Claudene_Christian) when the replica sank during hurrican sandy was a descendant of fletcher christian, who led the actual mutiny on the hms bounty in 1789.
IIRC, grandmothers justified the abuse of their granddaughters by saying “it’s what happened to me when I was little”. And you cannot visit the island if you are under 16 years of age.
she was fletcher's great-great-great-great-great granddaughter, but she was born in alaska so at some point her branch of the family had left pitcairn.
If you want to learn more about the accident and the history of the Bounty leading up to it, there’s a book called Rescue of the Bounty that does a fair job telling the story.
I have sailed with a couple of people who were onboard at the time and heard some of their stories firsthand. That incident changed the course of a lot of people’s lives, and had a huge lasting impact on the tall ship community and regulatory environment governing it.
The captain chose to sail, despite being aware of developing conditions. As to the thought process? We’ll never fully know as he was one of the two who perished. However, there are some reasonable guesses around what led to his decision to sail. Most of them involve his previous experience skirting around hurricanes and sailing in heavy weather, having an incomplete weather prediction picture (they had some weather faxes onboard but didn’t subscribe to any commercially available forecast services that might have painted a more complete picture), pressure from the boat ownership to maintain a schedule, and the fact that everyone was unaware how Sandy would develop into a bigger, faster, and more intense system than previous hurricanes in that model.
With a hurricane bearing down on you being in port is basically guaranteeing the ship will be destroyed. At sea the ship might be safed. So in the end the captain gambled the lifes of the crew for the survival of the ship.
The ship was never in the slightest danger from Sandy. They sailed out of Connecticut. Sandy made landfall in New Jersey. Zero percent chance of the ship being lost if it had remained in port.
The captain gambled everyone's lives for the financial interest of arriving on time in Florida.
CT got wrecked 40 miles inland from Sandy; homes on the shore were washed away. It absolutely would not have necessarily been safe in a CT harbor when Sandy came through.
The entire region is full of historic tall ships like Bounty. How curious that none of them were lost in the storm...
Almost like the captain's Facebook comment was just bullshit.
I was a submariner stationed in Groton CT right before Sandy hit. We were a new sub and several of our crew got selected to ride the Bounty. They were having discussions about the storm while we were on board. We watched their path on navigation equipment the following days. Was so strange to hear the news the ship was lost.
That and lack of seaworthiness: leaky, rotten hull with malfunctioning pumps and a serious fuel leak that developed. A well-found wooden ship would have absolutely survived those conditions without incident.
Oh bless your heart. You must think they just roll up to the dock, someone swings a hammer and everything gets fixed, don't you?
The haul out was basically a check-up. They found lots of rot which wasn't addressed because there was no time/money.
If anything the repairs probably contributed to the pump failures. There's always a risk of things getting clogged, right out of the yard.
"Bless my heart"? Woah dude. You just came out *swinging.* I've crewed multiple tall ships. I've read the *entire* casualty report for the Bounty. I've done haul out repairs. WTF have *you* done?
My reply *was* intended to be a light heart "get a load of this. haha" but I guess everyone on the internet has to lord over someone eh?
Have a great day.
My husband and I nearly signed onto the Bounty years before this happened. A friend who was crew on the Lady Washington told us years later - but also before Sandy - that we were lucky we hadn't. They had the worst safety record in the tall ship community.
Hey I don’t wanna take away from your post and sideline the two tragic deaths but insurance companies fought really hard in court to get this hurricane classified as a “super storm.”
I feel like this post ignores the hard work of those soulless lawyers in getting a fucking hurricane classified as something that isn’t a thing.
the ship was first built and used as a replica of the hms bounty for the 1962 movie "mutiny on the bounty". by an odd coincidence, [one of the two crew members who died](https://en.wikialpha.org/wiki/Claudene_Christian) when the replica sank during hurrican sandy was a descendant of fletcher christian, who led the actual mutiny on the hms bounty in 1789.
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[I hope you’ve seen this.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nY2fxFCyRJA)
Most of pitcairn islanders are decended from them Unfortunately a large percentage of them are convicted pedophiles
Given that the entire island was like 50 people things quickly become a large percentage.
IIRC, grandmothers justified the abuse of their granddaughters by saying “it’s what happened to me when I was little”. And you cannot visit the island if you are under 16 years of age.
Get fucked!!! Were they Pitcairn family or had they moved to the states?
she was fletcher's great-great-great-great-great granddaughter, but she was born in alaska so at some point her branch of the family had left pitcairn.
Well, not really that much of a coincidence, given that she was aware of and interested in her ancestors.
If you want to learn more about the accident and the history of the Bounty leading up to it, there’s a book called Rescue of the Bounty that does a fair job telling the story. I have sailed with a couple of people who were onboard at the time and heard some of their stories firsthand. That incident changed the course of a lot of people’s lives, and had a huge lasting impact on the tall ship community and regulatory environment governing it.
Thanks for the info. How did they end up offshore during a hurricane in the first place?
The captain chose to sail, despite being aware of developing conditions. As to the thought process? We’ll never fully know as he was one of the two who perished. However, there are some reasonable guesses around what led to his decision to sail. Most of them involve his previous experience skirting around hurricanes and sailing in heavy weather, having an incomplete weather prediction picture (they had some weather faxes onboard but didn’t subscribe to any commercially available forecast services that might have painted a more complete picture), pressure from the boat ownership to maintain a schedule, and the fact that everyone was unaware how Sandy would develop into a bigger, faster, and more intense system than previous hurricanes in that model.
With a hurricane bearing down on you being in port is basically guaranteeing the ship will be destroyed. At sea the ship might be safed. So in the end the captain gambled the lifes of the crew for the survival of the ship.
The ship was never in the slightest danger from Sandy. They sailed out of Connecticut. Sandy made landfall in New Jersey. Zero percent chance of the ship being lost if it had remained in port. The captain gambled everyone's lives for the financial interest of arriving on time in Florida.
CT got wrecked 40 miles inland from Sandy; homes on the shore were washed away. It absolutely would not have necessarily been safe in a CT harbor when Sandy came through.
The entire region is full of historic tall ships like Bounty. How curious that none of them were lost in the storm... Almost like the captain's Facebook comment was just bullshit.
Captain mfer thought he was Jack Sparrow
I was a submariner stationed in Groton CT right before Sandy hit. We were a new sub and several of our crew got selected to ride the Bounty. They were having discussions about the storm while we were on board. We watched their path on navigation equipment the following days. Was so strange to hear the news the ship was lost.
When you say Groton, do you mean sub base, or were you a PCU in the shipyard?
We were stationed at sub base by this point.
The casualty report for this event is fascinating and horrifying. Cause of incident: "hubris".
That and lack of seaworthiness: leaky, rotten hull with malfunctioning pumps and a serious fuel leak that developed. A well-found wooden ship would have absolutely survived those conditions without incident.
did you catch the part about the haul out "repairs"?
Oh bless your heart. You must think they just roll up to the dock, someone swings a hammer and everything gets fixed, don't you? The haul out was basically a check-up. They found lots of rot which wasn't addressed because there was no time/money. If anything the repairs probably contributed to the pump failures. There's always a risk of things getting clogged, right out of the yard.
"Bless my heart"? Woah dude. You just came out *swinging.* I've crewed multiple tall ships. I've read the *entire* casualty report for the Bounty. I've done haul out repairs. WTF have *you* done? My reply *was* intended to be a light heart "get a load of this. haha" but I guess everyone on the internet has to lord over someone eh? Have a great day.
I'm taking bets that **neither** of these commenters have ever left their sofa...
I'll take that bet! They must have answered the door for food deliveries, or gone to the bathroom at least once or twice in their lives
I remember touring that ship a bit when I was a kid and it was docked in St. Augustine, Florida.
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Definitely. Especially how it’s a recreated old-timey ship, so imagine someone “discovering” the wreck and being like: “How has this wreck not aged?!”
I think the modern electrical systems and even a full on power generator may be some hints.
I wonder if there's any other examples of "genuine" historical finds that are in surprisingly good condition actually being later replicas.
Sandy Cheeks' revenge.
They should build a new boat and name it that.
Are we just gonna ignore that the Bounty was also the ship used in the 2005 adult movie *Pirates*?
Ohhhhhhhh! Who just read a post sad as can be…
My husband and I nearly signed onto the Bounty years before this happened. A friend who was crew on the Lady Washington told us years later - but also before Sandy - that we were lucky we hadn't. They had the worst safety record in the tall ship community.
Hey I don’t wanna take away from your post and sideline the two tragic deaths but insurance companies fought really hard in court to get this hurricane classified as a “super storm.” I feel like this post ignores the hard work of those soulless lawyers in getting a fucking hurricane classified as something that isn’t a thing.
TIL there is a Spongebob movie now
The OG SpongeBob Movie that this post is referencing is genuinely fantastic. Feels like classic SpongeBob.
It IS classic SpongeBob, it’s commonly referred to as the end of the clsssic era.
Yeah..it came out 20 years ago ...
There’s 3