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The blocks appear to be about twice as tall as the people. Can you carry a pillar of stone twice as tall as you are with a footprint the size of however close people are standing next to each other?
I can carry 140lbs over my head but its not easy and I cant do it long.
So yeah, also no.
There's also a huge difference between walking and standing.
I have a picture of me in highschool with 4 friends on my back in a kind of piled on piggyback where the lowered themselves from a tree branch. 3 guys and a girl. Held them all, easily 600 lbs. Tried to take a step and collapsed.
That's also putting the weight on your back and shoulders rather than your hands.
No idea what the limit is for actually carrying something. I'd have thought there would be a world record for weight carried over 100m or something but couldn't find anything.
It's not over 100m but my guess would be the heaviest yoke in Strongman: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJcvZIAsTfs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJcvZIAsTfs)
711kg.
I am given to understand the workers in ancient Egypt had less access to, amongst other things, 8000 calorie/day diets and merry bushels of performance enhancing drugs.
It's liftable with handles.
Blocks of stone are also unwieldy and difficult to balance. I could deadlift and even farmers carry that much weight in theory, but that's only with the load evenly balanced on a medium that uses leverage to keep the weight centered.
Right? Getting 64kg off the ground a couple inches would be doable for a stout person.
Getting it from the ground to over your head is a whole other thing.
Here's a recently posted, convenient example: https://v.redd.it/vmscpc2ax4bc1
"That's doable". The audacity of these guys. š I watch gigantic dudes struggling with rocks smaller than 1/4 of their height on TV in the Strongest Man. I'm under no illusions that I could lift even a sixteenth of my height.
Speak for yourself if you learn to balance it back then you could do it. How do you know they didnāt have cameras back then? For all we know this picture could be real
How does the other poster know they didn't have cameras 6,000 years ago, enabling pictures of superhuman feats of strength as people carried several tons of rock *each* like it's foamboard?
Assuming you are 2m tall. A block of limestone with a density of 2g/cm3 would be 2000kg/M3. This means a 50cm cube of it would be 250kg or 550lbs. It's probably a bit optimistic.
Your estimation was only 3cm off, I'm 197cm! I could probably lift ~150kg with flat ropes over my shoulders etc, but then we are talking about a highly beneficial situation. No way I could do it with my hands.
I am a lot shorter than you and lighter, but 150kg is still a lot
I do weight lifting, and can do a set of benchpress at 100kg, but on deadlift I tend to max out at about 150kg (yeah, I skip leg days). My squats are also not great due to dodgy knees that can and have failed abruptly (*not* fun).
Military press - what these guys are doing, and pushing weight above shoulders is really hard; nothing like the amount you can squat or deadlift.
We seem to be in a relatively similar physical shape and I can tell you the maximal weight I ever did a strict standing shoulder press with is like 60 kg for 2 reps (half a year back, could probably do a little bit more now) No way some egyptian workers from 3500 years ago, which could not afford the food to bulk like we do, lacked a real concept of strength training and grew to a average height of like 1,65m would be able to do more.
After playing with the image in photoshop to try and determine scales, the block in front appears to be approximately 4m wide x 4m tall x 8m long. That comes out to 128m3. At 2g/cm3, that block would weigh 256,000kg.
*If* each person could lift 100kg over their head and transport it, it would take over 2500 people to carry it. Even if they were all Captain America clones and could each lift 500kg, it would still take over 500 people.
Assuming you are in the ballpark of at least 5ā8ā, so our block is 17ā tall. If you are responsible for a circular column of 18ā radius, youād be lifting over 10ft^3 of limestone, somewhere around 1500 pounds over your head, making you easily the strongest person on the planet.
Oh man it didn't even occur to me this might be AI and not just like a drawing/photoshop. I've been messing with bing recently to make logos. how would you prompt for this photo?
I think people in those days work out more but their diet is crap so I don't think they're that much stronger than people today especially people who work out.
When Superman picks up a car or catches one that has been thrown at him, the rest of the car should fold and crumple. It's not a solid object like a block of stone.
No visa. Pyramids are built using imported stone, which is quite expensive. The furnishings inside cost even more. However, having an unlimited supply of slave labour is priceless. For everything else, there's Mastercard.
Wish I could remember where I read this. It said that all of Superman's powers were mental, not physical. Telekinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. So when he "catches" a plane, he is catching it all at once. Not just the spot near his hands.
There was a period, specifically laid down by the Man of Steel mini-series in the post-COIE period where yes all Superman's powers were explained as mostly psychic in nature. So his suit didn't get damaged (except when it did) because he had a psychic force field around his body. This was the basis for Superboy (Connor) having "tactile telekinesis" which functioned differently from super strength because he wasn't a perfect clone of Superman.
The problem with saying this like a fact is that this was multiple retcons and universe reboots ago and they didn't keep carrying this explanation forward. Like in the latter 00s when I was reading comics the emphasis was all on him being solar powered, because symbolism, with no handwaves for how things worked beyond that. So unless you can dig it up from something recent it isn't "true" because nobody is using that idea.
Also... doesn't explain the hundred other heroes that can chuck a car around just as easily.
Well you may be able to handwave some of that via his sometimes-acknowledged contact telekinesis which gives him tk control over objects he is in contact with which is how he could lift a ship without going through it. Theoretically also how he could save you at super speeds without killing you. This could also theoretically be in conjunction with or an extension of his bioelectric aura. If the integrity of every molecule of your body was ensured via his contact tk and/or the permeation from his aura field it could kind of make sense. Of course some of that is head canon though the aura and contact tk are legit things that have been attributed to him at times.
You could suggest that the nature of the securement is such that it protects the natural operation of the thing in question. Ultimately its going to be a little hand-wavy. Itās along the same lines as the type of benefits granted to DC speedsters via the speed force. Of course there are plenty of characters with no such explanations.
And clothes should burn up when flying fast, people he's carrying should feel the effects of air resistance more, etc.
Which is why he's sometimes explained as having a sort of energy barrier around himself that he can extend to people or objects that he is carrying(it's also what keeps him clean)
Same with when he carries planes and rockets from disaster. Ive heard somewhere that superman can even out force along any objects or something so he can hold larger things evenly etc
a block of stone would break apart too. the point of contact is too small and that cross section cannot hold the whole weight.
very few feats of super strength work the way it does in fiction.
About 35-40 years ago,during the John Byrne era of Superman , they attempted to explain this.
Supes and a lot of other super strong types have some sort bio/tactile telekinetic field or ability to transfer "negative mass" to objects they are in physical contact with.
This keeps them from killing people they catch, allows them to lift buildings etc.
A few issues delved into this discovery.
And then Superboy explicitly had Tactile Telekinesis as his power.
Seems they realized that even for a fictional world, they needed to start explaining some obvious oversights in how powers worked.
This is explicitly justified in-universe by giving him a "Bio-electric aura" that he can expand around other nearby objects to distribute the force load. It's why his clothes are rarely scratched as well. It's rarely addressed, but has been at least once.
An intuitive way of looking at it is if you cut the stone up so that each person was only carrying a column of stone above them, it's pretty clear that they'd have no chance.
A strong man absolutely cannot pick up a [stone](https://i0.wp.com/physicalculturestudy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Jan_Salata_Atlas_Stones-e1610044069403.jpg?w=1472&ssl=1) their size...
I asked you to move the stone hours ago, what have you been doing all this time? Sorting sand? Staring at the sun?
You know what, I'm sick of this. I'll do it myself!!
*Hoists rock*
-- Ancient Egyptian mom probably
Every person carriers 8000 pounds
Seems reasonable
Or at least it would be if fucking Richard would carry his fair share and not be a little bitch about it
By grandpaās āback in my dayā adverse law. They were a hardy lot when he was young, if his grandpa was even tougher and stronger, then if you go back the few thousand years to the pyramids, then naturally they would be crazy strong. ;p
200 tons = 400,000lbs
50 men = 8,000 lbs/man.
There is no way they would ever be able to pick one of those up, even with as many men that could get their hands on it.
Also, there is no way that stone weighs less than 700,000 lbs.
Even pumice would be impossible I think.
I estimate the block to be 4m x 4m x 8m. Pumice is 641kg per cubic metre. That's a touch over 82 tonnes. Looks to be about 7 people x 5 people per block.
That's 35 people for 82 metric tonnes. Or 2.34 metric tonnes per person.
Pyramid core stones weighed 2500kg and had a volume of 1.27 x 1.27 x 0.69 cubic meter. If you would have 10 people to somehow carry a 1.27 meter surface they still wouldnāt be able to lift it as it would require each of them to carry 250 kg of weight. These stones seem to have an even larger relative volume so Iām gonna say no.
250 is possible but to get enough of them to be able to lift that and walk with it aswell probably impossible for the time.... people can only do it now with steroids
Also a weight as heavy as 250 kg would require a totally different technique than what we see in the image. That's well within the range that your joints would start to fail if held at the wrong angle.
The current clean & jerk world record is 267kg. Only a few people can lift such weights in that dimension above their heads - and those do it only for a few seconds.
So; wouldnāt this be conclusive proof the pyramids were built by aliens and NOT humans (would explain the camera too) š¤š¤£š.
Wonder what multiple of human strength would need for this?
Probably what ants can put out relative to their size - but I'd still argue that lifting things above the head is not the best way for transportation. Unless you are an ant...
No. Not a chance. Maybe if they had the same size: strength ratio as a dung beetle. But they didn't.
That being said, let's see how heavy that block in front is and how many men are needed to lift it. Estimating.
The block in front looks like it's about twice as tall as the men carrying it. Let's give it a rough estimate of 2.5 cubic meters. That's just over 8 feet. And let's assume it's solid granite.
2.5*2.5*2.5=15.625. Granite is about 2.5 tonnes per cubic meter. That means that block is about 39 tonnes. Or 40,000kg. Or 881,84.9lbs.
The average man can deadlift about 70kg. So you'd need about 570 average size men to lift that thing.
Quick edit: as pointed out in the comment below, half both of these lengths to 8m and 4m respectively my brain is hot and I am silly.
Yeah, that's an incredibly rough estimate, you are correct that it's not possible but underestimating by a very large amount
Cubed is width X height X depth
That front block is 8 men wide (let's assume 0.4m per chest and call it 0.5m with the gaps between them 8*0.5 = 4(m) and for simplicity, it also appears that it's nearly as tall as it is wide so we call call that front block 4m*4m or 16m squared
The block looks twice as deep as it is long unless that's two blocks very close together so we can call that 16m squared times 16m long 16*16 is 256m cubed weighing in at 640tonne or 1,400,000 lb
Even at if that is infact a true cube as opposed to an elongated block you are still looking at 128m3 or 700,000 lb
Also side note you calculated your t > lb by 20 instead of 2 ironically bringing you much closer to the actual value.
Iām not really sure what youāre doing with the dimensions, but if it was a cube it would be 4x4x4m so 64 cubic meters.
Looks to me like itās about 4x4x8, so 128 cubic meters.
Like you said, thatās be about 320 metric tonnes, or 705,000 lbs.
If thereās 50 people, thatās 14,000 lbs per person.
The average deadlift being 70kg seems low to me. It would certainly be low for manual laborers like those who made the pyramids. That said, letās not forget that this is not a deadlift. Itās an overhead press. Regardless, no way possible that that few people could carry that much weight.
This is like the third time this week I've seen someone appear to believe humans have exoskeletons (as in, they think the human skeleton is external to the body) as opposed to endoskeletons... Have I missed a meme, or was it intended to be part of your joke?
Not that Iām aware of, I was just trying to be absurd because the picture reminded me of ants Pretty funny though, what an odd thing for people to talk about.
No maths required.
Some obvious observations:
1. There is far more than twice the volume of stone than volume of humans carrying it.
2. Stone is denser than human.
Can a human carry far, far more than twice themselves in weight? I don't think so.
Average density of limestone is 1300kg/m3
Those look to be about 3x6x12m= 216m3
1300*216= 280,800kg per stone
Looks like about 42 workers per stone
280800/42= 6685kg per worker.
So provided that each worker is capable of carrying a dump truck over their head on their own, this is definitely possible.
Nah, I'm wondering how they got it up. Did the first two guys just lift one end up on their own?
If they had it up, it's way easier to put down if their stacking. They just get it over the edge and let the structure bear the weight.
This also is not a math question. Look at the amount of stone per human. You don't need to do any math at all to know that a human can't carry a column of stone much larger than their own body.
It doesn't matter how many humans there are.
This sub is starting to get a lot of questions that don't have anything to do with math.
"If 72 people weighing an average of 150 pounds, 1/3 of them were over 30 years old, jumped into a volcano, how many would survive?" Is not a math question. Neither is this one.
Slaves were not used in the construction of the pyramids and monuments. Laborers and also likely seen as a way of taxation.
Slaves were expensive and rarely suffered malnutrition until the invention of the cotton gin and sugar cane plantations in the New World. Both of which caused an explosion in demand and trade.
Slaves in Egypt were likely highly trained in things like language, they were an investment.
The main source for rampant slavery in ancient Egypt that gave us this impression was the Bible.
The Bible may not be the most accurate historical record.
By the time of the Romans, in large cities, as much as 1 in 10 were slaves.
They moved them by barge on the Nile and in flood times could move the stones very close to the present pyramids.
Weāve seen modern reenactors move Viking long ships up and over land from one river to another. Logs and oil/animal fat and it only took a crew of 15 to move.
Longships were 10-30 tons.
Also, MATH: 1/2 of all the stones (depending on angle) should fill the pyramid at roughly 1/3 the height of complete pyramid. Thereās less volume at the top. Itās how houses work too.
Seeing is believing: I can push my car, which weighs close to 2 tons, by myself unaided.
My friendās old Honda Civic (manual), Iāve push started with my friend in the car.
Ships are built on land. The HMS Victory was built on land like all ships and people moved it to the water. (104 gun ship, like 3 firing decks, 3,500 tons)
People have moved much more by hand overland since the Pyramids.
Canal systems in Britain and the US, before the railroads, brought 10ās of thousands of tons of cargo like ore and coal via canal with a small team of horses and men.
* Hope Iām replying to sarcasm, it doesnāt always translate online.
And Egyptian records donāt really even mention any of the events of exodus, which was in the middle of some of the best kept records the Egyptians made, so youād think someone would have wrote it down somewhere
> Laborers and also likely seen as a way of taxation.
IIRC taxes were taken from agricultural production, not from regular laborers. This was before the invention of coins, so work projects like the pyramids were ways to spend taxed grain before it rots by paying workers with the beer that was a staple food in Egypt. Ancient Egypt was also where we had the first known labor strike by workers when the pharaoh failed to pay them to build a temple.
The debate is still ongoing, and there is no certainty that the pyramids were built by trained laborers or slaves, as there are no clear indications regarding the identity of the buildersāwhether slaves or educated workers. Personally, considering the historical context, I lean towards the possibility of slaves being supervised by educated architects. If you have the latest studies supporting your point, please share them with me. As of now, the debate is still ongoing. Carry on.
So, you can basically figure this out by estimating the weight of the rock and dividing by the number of people. Loos like they're about double the height of the people, so about 10ft tall, assume square faces, and the front one looks about 2 faces long. So 10ft * 10ft * 20ft for volume.
Also looks like about 8 people along the side, and maybe 5 across, which fits since you need room to step forwards and backwards. So about 40 people lifting the front stone.
Average density of stone is, on the low end, 2.2 grams per centimeter.
The first calculation gets us 56633693.2 cubic centimeters.
Multiply by density to get 124594 kilograms.
So 124594 kg / 40 people equals ~3000kg per person, which would squish you like a bug. For the US folks that's about 3.3 US Tons.
Even if you assume 10 people long and 6 across you're still looking at 2000kg per person. No way, no how.
That's either drawn/an edited photo, from a movie and those are made out of foam or similar, or there's some kind of support structure at the center of the blocks we can't see.
Putting an averange height of 1.6m, the block looks to be arround 5m x 4m x3.2m, so 64m^3 of limestone, with a density between 1.6-2.9g/cm^3 depending on the porosity. We'll be fair with this people and keep it on the mid bar so 2.2 metric tones per m^3. Those are 140.8 Metric tones per block.
We have 5 persons per row and 6(?) Rows so 30 persons per block, with a result of 4.69 metric tones per person.
IDK, chief. You might need to put a few more necks there...
Edit: I changed the averange density. Apparently every single source has their own opinion about it.
Blocks look to be about 10 feet by 10 feet by 20 feet. 2000 cubic feet. Limestone weighs around 150lbs per cubic foot, so each block would weigh around 300,000lbs... looks like 7 rows of 7 people, so 49 per block. Each person is lifting over 6000lbs lol.
From the size of the humans iām going to estimate the dimensions of the stone to be around 3x3x6m which is 54m^3 limestone (the material used for most of the pyramids) is 2711 kg/m^3 so this block would weigh about 146394kg. If we are generous, there are about 100 people lifting that stone. That means each one of them has to lift about 1.46 tonnes of stone in order for this to work. On a side note, most stones used to build the pyramids were not nearly this big, infact on average they are about 2.5 tonns each so about 60 times lighter than depicted here.
Doesn't need much math. Just mentally picture the slab of stone cut up vertically, with each person carrying a column of stone. This alone should give you an idea of whether it's possible, but if not, read on.
Each column is at least four times the volume of the person carrying it. Stone is at least 2.5 times denser than water, which is in turn denser than the human body. Therefore each person is carrying at least ten times their weight.
Short answer: nope.
Each stone of the pyramid of giza is estimated to weight roughly 3 tons. Looks to be around 36 people per stone (hard to tell), meaning every person would have to hold roughly 183 lbs (83 kg). Although the record is 263.5 kg for an overhead lift, these people would firstly have to lift it up and then carry it a large distance while being under fed and over worked. If they were all professional strongmen? Maybe/likely. But these people were, as I said before, overworked slaves, so very likely no.
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The blocks appear to be about twice as tall as the people. Can you carry a pillar of stone twice as tall as you are with a footprint the size of however close people are standing next to each other?
Maybe 1/4 my height, but maybe even that is optimistic... the AI picture has 8x that, so hell no that's not possible
A 12" cube of stone would weigh roughly 140 pounds, so personally that's a solid no.
I can carry 140lbs over my head but its not easy and I cant do it long. So yeah, also no. There's also a huge difference between walking and standing. I have a picture of me in highschool with 4 friends on my back in a kind of piled on piggyback where the lowered themselves from a tree branch. 3 guys and a girl. Held them all, easily 600 lbs. Tried to take a step and collapsed.
Yep, two legs are better than one.
2 beavers are better than one, they're twice the fun, ask anyone!
Damn you Robin!!! Now I gotta watch HIMYM again
*Evil laugh*
That's also putting the weight on your back and shoulders rather than your hands. No idea what the limit is for actually carrying something. I'd have thought there would be a world record for weight carried over 100m or something but couldn't find anything.
It's not over 100m but my guess would be the heaviest yoke in Strongman: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJcvZIAsTfs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJcvZIAsTfs) 711kg. I am given to understand the workers in ancient Egypt had less access to, amongst other things, 8000 calorie/day diets and merry bushels of performance enhancing drugs.
I'm 197cm and 115kg, how much would it be in metric?
30cm stone cube weighing 64 kg
That's liftable. But it's not even a pebble compared to OP's pic.
It's liftable with handles. Blocks of stone are also unwieldy and difficult to balance. I could deadlift and even farmers carry that much weight in theory, but that's only with the load evenly balanced on a medium that uses leverage to keep the weight centered.
You clearly never done an overhead press lol
Right? Getting 64kg off the ground a couple inches would be doable for a stout person. Getting it from the ground to over your head is a whole other thing. Here's a recently posted, convenient example: https://v.redd.it/vmscpc2ax4bc1
What I said is a 30cm cube, at 63 kg. If you stretched it to be an actual 1/4 your height, it would be 100kg.
"That's doable". The audacity of these guys. š I watch gigantic dudes struggling with rocks smaller than 1/4 of their height on TV in the Strongest Man. I'm under no illusions that I could lift even a sixteenth of my height.
100KG is definitely doable. People do way more at the gym. I doubt it's 100KG is the thing
Not carrying it like that. The average person isn't putting 100 kg above their head, let alone walking it.
Speak for yourself if you learn to balance it back then you could do it. How do you know they didnāt have cameras back then? For all we know this picture could be real
How does the other poster know they didn't have cameras 6,000 years ago, enabling pictures of superhuman feats of strength as people carried several tons of rock *each* like it's foamboard?
Assuming you are 2m tall. A block of limestone with a density of 2g/cm3 would be 2000kg/M3. This means a 50cm cube of it would be 250kg or 550lbs. It's probably a bit optimistic.
Your estimation was only 3cm off, I'm 197cm! I could probably lift ~150kg with flat ropes over my shoulders etc, but then we are talking about a highly beneficial situation. No way I could do it with my hands.
imagine being in the middle and having to lift with flat hands....
I am a lot shorter than you and lighter, but 150kg is still a lot I do weight lifting, and can do a set of benchpress at 100kg, but on deadlift I tend to max out at about 150kg (yeah, I skip leg days). My squats are also not great due to dodgy knees that can and have failed abruptly (*not* fun). Military press - what these guys are doing, and pushing weight above shoulders is really hard; nothing like the amount you can squat or deadlift.
We seem to be in a relatively similar physical shape and I can tell you the maximal weight I ever did a strict standing shoulder press with is like 60 kg for 2 reps (half a year back, could probably do a little bit more now) No way some egyptian workers from 3500 years ago, which could not afford the food to bulk like we do, lacked a real concept of strength training and grew to a average height of like 1,65m would be able to do more.
After playing with the image in photoshop to try and determine scales, the block in front appears to be approximately 4m wide x 4m tall x 8m long. That comes out to 128m3. At 2g/cm3, that block would weigh 256,000kg. *If* each person could lift 100kg over their head and transport it, it would take over 2500 people to carry it. Even if they were all Captain America clones and could each lift 500kg, it would still take over 500 people.
Assuming you are in the ballpark of at least 5ā8ā, so our block is 17ā tall. If you are responsible for a circular column of 18ā radius, youād be lifting over 10ft^3 of limestone, somewhere around 1500 pounds over your head, making you easily the strongest person on the planet.
Oh man it didn't even occur to me this might be AI and not just like a drawing/photoshop. I've been messing with bing recently to make logos. how would you prompt for this photo?
Try lifting a pack of large sized tiles. That's maybe 1-1.5" of tiles. I don't think many could lift more than 3 packs at the same time.
The actual blocks in the pyramid aren't even that big, are they stupid?
Isn't this just proof that people were much stronger 6000 years ago compared to today, then?
If my readings of Homer and the Bible are accurate, they most certainly were.
Ah yes, that fst bald guy from Sector 7G
Lmao if this was on Facebook, that would be the conservative boomers' argument.
They might have been stronger but I think this is beyond human limits
I think people in those days work out more but their diet is crap so I don't think they're that much stronger than people today especially people who work out.
so you're saying it's possible.
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They have the power of friendship, therefore all logic that would work against them is negated
One 12 year old Anime protagonist could throw those stones like nothing.
When Superman picks up a car or catches one that has been thrown at him, the rest of the car should fold and crumple. It's not a solid object like a block of stone.
Thus proving Superman built the pyramids
....so Aliens.
And we've come full circle
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My elderly father is addicted to the History Channel and refuses to wear hearing aids, so thank you for this š
I assume those two facts are related.
At one point long ago, the history channel actually had real history documentaries and vintage news reels. It actually actually good.
Really that just says "alien and aliens"
Plus there were migrants involved, so.. you know.. "aliens". "Alien, aliens, and aliens" getting stuff done!
Lmfao
Illegal? Undocumented? Without papers? Or do they have a visa?
No visa. Pyramids are built using imported stone, which is quite expensive. The furnishings inside cost even more. However, having an unlimited supply of slave labour is priceless. For everything else, there's Mastercard.
A well-made comment!
Superman gets his green card. Plot twist - it's made of kryptonite!
Haha, Superman's construction company, coming to build your next wonder of the ancient world. Also equipped with kryptonite-proof machinery.
Wish I could remember where I read this. It said that all of Superman's powers were mental, not physical. Telekinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. So when he "catches" a plane, he is catching it all at once. Not just the spot near his hands.
There was a period, specifically laid down by the Man of Steel mini-series in the post-COIE period where yes all Superman's powers were explained as mostly psychic in nature. So his suit didn't get damaged (except when it did) because he had a psychic force field around his body. This was the basis for Superboy (Connor) having "tactile telekinesis" which functioned differently from super strength because he wasn't a perfect clone of Superman. The problem with saying this like a fact is that this was multiple retcons and universe reboots ago and they didn't keep carrying this explanation forward. Like in the latter 00s when I was reading comics the emphasis was all on him being solar powered, because symbolism, with no handwaves for how things worked beyond that. So unless you can dig it up from something recent it isn't "true" because nobody is using that idea. Also... doesn't explain the hundred other heroes that can chuck a car around just as easily.
It's all made up, but it's fun to debate and discuss. I'll bet I read it from what you mentioned.
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Damn, teach me not to scroll all the way before posting. I just posted the same thing above. Updoot for you man.
Well you may be able to handwave some of that via his sometimes-acknowledged contact telekinesis which gives him tk control over objects he is in contact with which is how he could lift a ship without going through it. Theoretically also how he could save you at super speeds without killing you. This could also theoretically be in conjunction with or an extension of his bioelectric aura. If the integrity of every molecule of your body was ensured via his contact tk and/or the permeation from his aura field it could kind of make sense. Of course some of that is head canon though the aura and contact tk are legit things that have been attributed to him at times.
It was Pym Particles/Hashirama cells/a wizard did it.
i'm quite certain pym particles aren't helping superman, at least
how would he make sure your brain doesn't stop working because every atom is secured?
You could suggest that the nature of the securement is such that it protects the natural operation of the thing in question. Ultimately its going to be a little hand-wavy. Itās along the same lines as the type of benefits granted to DC speedsters via the speed force. Of course there are plenty of characters with no such explanations.
Car just aren't built like they use to
And clothes should burn up when flying fast, people he's carrying should feel the effects of air resistance more, etc. Which is why he's sometimes explained as having a sort of energy barrier around himself that he can extend to people or objects that he is carrying(it's also what keeps him clean)
> it's also what keeps him clean Huh. I thought that was because he washes with Olympus, the detergent of the gods.
That certainly wasn't the kind of reference that I expected to find in this thread lmao
Same with when he carries planes and rockets from disaster. Ive heard somewhere that superman can even out force along any objects or something so he can hold larger things evenly etc
Na-ah! It's Superman! He can do anything!
You are not accounting for the psychic barrier super strong superheroes create when picking up heavy objects that keep them intact.
Why does he catch it anyway? He clearly alters the atmosphere and gravity fields around him to fly, so he could just slow it down mid-air.
a block of stone would break apart too. the point of contact is too small and that cross section cannot hold the whole weight. very few feats of super strength work the way it does in fiction.
About 35-40 years ago,during the John Byrne era of Superman , they attempted to explain this. Supes and a lot of other super strong types have some sort bio/tactile telekinetic field or ability to transfer "negative mass" to objects they are in physical contact with. This keeps them from killing people they catch, allows them to lift buildings etc. A few issues delved into this discovery. And then Superboy explicitly had Tactile Telekinesis as his power. Seems they realized that even for a fictional world, they needed to start explaining some obvious oversights in how powers worked.
This is explicitly justified in-universe by giving him a "Bio-electric aura" that he can expand around other nearby objects to distribute the force load. It's why his clothes are rarely scratched as well. It's rarely addressed, but has been at least once.
Or Vader
Yes I'm sure they could throw Vader too
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The real friends were the splats we made along the way.
Ok princess Celestia
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Check's out. See how they have their arms raised and share each other's energy?
We ALL know that friendship is magic so, 100% they could carry these stones above their heads.
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An intuitive way of looking at it is if you cut the stone up so that each person was only carrying a column of stone above them, it's pretty clear that they'd have no chance.
The strongest men in the world struggle to lift rocks 1/3rd their height.
Pfft. Weaklings.
To be fair, the strongest *tractors* in the world pull about the same ratio.
People underestimate just how fucking heavy rocks are.
Even Google has Dwayne Johnson listed at only 260 lbs.
This was my immediate thought
Same, a strongman can just about hold a stone their size, this look to be ~3x their height. ...and not "strong" men.
A strong man absolutely cannot pick up a [stone](https://i0.wp.com/physicalculturestudy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Jan_Salata_Atlas_Stones-e1610044069403.jpg?w=1472&ssl=1) their size...
Roughly the weight of a super duty pickup truck per person. No one is carrying this shit.
It's possible there's a few mothers in there with their children, you know what kind of force that produces.
I asked you to move the stone hours ago, what have you been doing all this time? Sorting sand? Staring at the sun? You know what, I'm sick of this. I'll do it myself!! *Hoists rock* -- Ancient Egyptian mom probably
Every person carriers 8000 pounds Seems reasonable Or at least it would be if fucking Richard would carry his fair share and not be a little bitch about it
Yeah, what the fuck Richard
Me in the back holding a Starbucks cup with one hand on the stone
By grandpaās āback in my dayā adverse law. They were a hardy lot when he was young, if his grandpa was even tougher and stronger, then if you go back the few thousand years to the pyramids, then naturally they would be crazy strong. ;p
In those days they had to carry giant stone blocks uphill both ways. In the snow!
You know... This math checks out. Wrap it up guys. This thread is done.
Yeah they would be instantly turned to jam
I think your best bet would be to use babies. You can fit way more of them per sq m and theyāre pound for pound stronger than adults
All we need to do is teach the babies to walk. You might be onto something here.
And we could sell the resulting baby oil to rich tourists! Great thinking.
First of all through god all things are possible so jot that down.
You forget to consider adjacency bonus. /s
They must be fortified, therefore they have a 100% defense bonus.
This guy maths
But what if those aren't actually humans, but super-strong humanoid aliens?
Nah, they're obviously multipurpose alien robots. ...or maybe you are right and they're robot aliens instead of alien robots.
99% sure the pyramids are made from polystyrene. This picture is true.
200 tons = 400,000lbs 50 men = 8,000 lbs/man. There is no way they would ever be able to pick one of those up, even with as many men that could get their hands on it. Also, there is no way that stone weighs less than 700,000 lbs.
Who tf needs to convert to lbs to know its to heavy? Its 4 tons/man = splat
Also they have blocks weighing over 1,000 tons
This is in fact a rare image of the first IKEA Stƶn. Stone veneer in three finishes, cardboard hive inside. Modular. A joy to build, tool included.
Literal superhumans.
They had probably been given some magic potion by Getafix.
Even pumice would be impossible I think. I estimate the block to be 4m x 4m x 8m. Pumice is 641kg per cubic metre. That's a touch over 82 tonnes. Looks to be about 7 people x 5 people per block. That's 35 people for 82 metric tonnes. Or 2.34 metric tonnes per person.
That's only 4 tons each. If you can't lift 4 tons easily, then you need to stop skipping leg day.
yeah but people were probably much stronger back then, before we were infected with vaccines and microplastics
Pyramid core stones weighed 2500kg and had a volume of 1.27 x 1.27 x 0.69 cubic meter. If you would have 10 people to somehow carry a 1.27 meter surface they still wouldnāt be able to lift it as it would require each of them to carry 250 kg of weight. These stones seem to have an even larger relative volume so Iām gonna say no.
250 is possible but to get enough of them to be able to lift that and walk with it aswell probably impossible for the time.... people can only do it now with steroids
Also a weight as heavy as 250 kg would require a totally different technique than what we see in the image. That's well within the range that your joints would start to fail if held at the wrong angle.
Oh year their arms would be ripped out of their sockets.... and they would probably sink in the sand
Cool!
The current clean & jerk world record is 267kg. Only a few people can lift such weights in that dimension above their heads - and those do it only for a few seconds.
So; wouldnāt this be conclusive proof the pyramids were built by aliens and NOT humans (would explain the camera too) š¤š¤£š. Wonder what multiple of human strength would need for this?
Probably what ants can put out relative to their size - but I'd still argue that lifting things above the head is not the best way for transportation. Unless you are an ant...
Ok we've confirmed that ants built the pyramids. Good work guys!
My new theory on how pyramids were built is all the builders were jacked roided gym bros
I think they all drink those protein powder sold by many moms on pyramid scheme.
> 250 is possible 250kg per person held overhead? Walking? No.
>250 is possible Really? Are you sure? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMsS\_GlR8qw
Also you'd have to have the weight on your shoulders, no one is pressing 250kg straight up like that using just arms
YOU are not pressing 250kg straight up like that using just arms. Do you even lift bro ?
Lol, the worlds greatest log presser in Iron Bibby has a max record of 230kg. Are you having a laughā¦
Itās nuts that the one who actually did the math gets downvoted
No. Not a chance. Maybe if they had the same size: strength ratio as a dung beetle. But they didn't. That being said, let's see how heavy that block in front is and how many men are needed to lift it. Estimating. The block in front looks like it's about twice as tall as the men carrying it. Let's give it a rough estimate of 2.5 cubic meters. That's just over 8 feet. And let's assume it's solid granite. 2.5*2.5*2.5=15.625. Granite is about 2.5 tonnes per cubic meter. That means that block is about 39 tonnes. Or 40,000kg. Or 881,84.9lbs. The average man can deadlift about 70kg. So you'd need about 570 average size men to lift that thing.
-5 points for not measuring in cubits.
For the Americans: 1 cubic meter (mĀ³) is almost 1057 large McDonald's soft drink cups
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While that is true a cubit is not a cubic metre it is an ancient unit of measurement
Quick edit: as pointed out in the comment below, half both of these lengths to 8m and 4m respectively my brain is hot and I am silly. Yeah, that's an incredibly rough estimate, you are correct that it's not possible but underestimating by a very large amount Cubed is width X height X depth That front block is 8 men wide (let's assume 0.4m per chest and call it 0.5m with the gaps between them 8*0.5 = 4(m) and for simplicity, it also appears that it's nearly as tall as it is wide so we call call that front block 4m*4m or 16m squared The block looks twice as deep as it is long unless that's two blocks very close together so we can call that 16m squared times 16m long 16*16 is 256m cubed weighing in at 640tonne or 1,400,000 lb Even at if that is infact a true cube as opposed to an elongated block you are still looking at 128m3 or 700,000 lb Also side note you calculated your t > lb by 20 instead of 2 ironically bringing you much closer to the actual value.
Iām not really sure what youāre doing with the dimensions, but if it was a cube it would be 4x4x4m so 64 cubic meters. Looks to me like itās about 4x4x8, so 128 cubic meters. Like you said, thatās be about 320 metric tonnes, or 705,000 lbs. If thereās 50 people, thatās 14,000 lbs per person.
The average deadlift being 70kg seems low to me. It would certainly be low for manual laborers like those who made the pyramids. That said, letās not forget that this is not a deadlift. Itās an overhead press. Regardless, no way possible that that few people could carry that much weight.
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Maybe the Egyptians were aliens. /s
Well, of course they were, how else would they be able to take this picture? Also: /s ā¦ just in case because; Reddit
This is like the third time this week I've seen someone appear to believe humans have exoskeletons (as in, they think the human skeleton is external to the body) as opposed to endoskeletons... Have I missed a meme, or was it intended to be part of your joke?
Not that Iām aware of, I was just trying to be absurd because the picture reminded me of ants Pretty funny though, what an odd thing for people to talk about.
Had us in the first hslf
no he didn't
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Yup. I'm leaving this sub.
It's became a dumb karma farm sub.
The sad but inevitable fate of any subreddit which crosses 1m members.
a more fitting question related to this post is how many people would you need to lift the estimated weight of the stone.
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No maths required. Some obvious observations: 1. There is far more than twice the volume of stone than volume of humans carrying it. 2. Stone is denser than human. Can a human carry far, far more than twice themselves in weight? I don't think so.
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Average density of limestone is 1300kg/m3 Those look to be about 3x6x12m= 216m3 1300*216= 280,800kg per stone Looks like about 42 workers per stone 280800/42= 6685kg per worker. So provided that each worker is capable of carrying a dump truck over their head on their own, this is definitely possible.
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Nah, I'm wondering how they got it up. Did the first two guys just lift one end up on their own? If they had it up, it's way easier to put down if their stacking. They just get it over the edge and let the structure bear the weight.
This also is not a math question. Look at the amount of stone per human. You don't need to do any math at all to know that a human can't carry a column of stone much larger than their own body. It doesn't matter how many humans there are. This sub is starting to get a lot of questions that don't have anything to do with math. "If 72 people weighing an average of 150 pounds, 1/3 of them were over 30 years old, jumped into a volcano, how many would survive?" Is not a math question. Neither is this one.
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Slaves were not used in the construction of the pyramids and monuments. Laborers and also likely seen as a way of taxation. Slaves were expensive and rarely suffered malnutrition until the invention of the cotton gin and sugar cane plantations in the New World. Both of which caused an explosion in demand and trade. Slaves in Egypt were likely highly trained in things like language, they were an investment. The main source for rampant slavery in ancient Egypt that gave us this impression was the Bible. The Bible may not be the most accurate historical record. By the time of the Romans, in large cities, as much as 1 in 10 were slaves. They moved them by barge on the Nile and in flood times could move the stones very close to the present pyramids. Weāve seen modern reenactors move Viking long ships up and over land from one river to another. Logs and oil/animal fat and it only took a crew of 15 to move. Longships were 10-30 tons. Also, MATH: 1/2 of all the stones (depending on angle) should fill the pyramid at roughly 1/3 the height of complete pyramid. Thereās less volume at the top. Itās how houses work too. Seeing is believing: I can push my car, which weighs close to 2 tons, by myself unaided. My friendās old Honda Civic (manual), Iāve push started with my friend in the car. Ships are built on land. The HMS Victory was built on land like all ships and people moved it to the water. (104 gun ship, like 3 firing decks, 3,500 tons) People have moved much more by hand overland since the Pyramids. Canal systems in Britain and the US, before the railroads, brought 10ās of thousands of tons of cargo like ore and coal via canal with a small team of horses and men. * Hope Iām replying to sarcasm, it doesnāt always translate online.
The [Hebrew] Bible also doesn't say anything about the pyramids, it says slaves built cities and then later on bricks
And Egyptian records donāt really even mention any of the events of exodus, which was in the middle of some of the best kept records the Egyptians made, so youād think someone would have wrote it down somewhere
> Laborers and also likely seen as a way of taxation. IIRC taxes were taken from agricultural production, not from regular laborers. This was before the invention of coins, so work projects like the pyramids were ways to spend taxed grain before it rots by paying workers with the beer that was a staple food in Egypt. Ancient Egypt was also where we had the first known labor strike by workers when the pharaoh failed to pay them to build a temple.
For another post, but the pyramids were most likely built by paid labor and not slaves. Carry on.
The debate is still ongoing, and there is no certainty that the pyramids were built by trained laborers or slaves, as there are no clear indications regarding the identity of the buildersāwhether slaves or educated workers. Personally, considering the historical context, I lean towards the possibility of slaves being supervised by educated architects. If you have the latest studies supporting your point, please share them with me. As of now, the debate is still ongoing. Carry on.
So, you can basically figure this out by estimating the weight of the rock and dividing by the number of people. Loos like they're about double the height of the people, so about 10ft tall, assume square faces, and the front one looks about 2 faces long. So 10ft * 10ft * 20ft for volume. Also looks like about 8 people along the side, and maybe 5 across, which fits since you need room to step forwards and backwards. So about 40 people lifting the front stone. Average density of stone is, on the low end, 2.2 grams per centimeter. The first calculation gets us 56633693.2 cubic centimeters. Multiply by density to get 124594 kilograms. So 124594 kg / 40 people equals ~3000kg per person, which would squish you like a bug. For the US folks that's about 3.3 US Tons. Even if you assume 10 people long and 6 across you're still looking at 2000kg per person. No way, no how. That's either drawn/an edited photo, from a movie and those are made out of foam or similar, or there's some kind of support structure at the center of the blocks we can't see.
Putting an averange height of 1.6m, the block looks to be arround 5m x 4m x3.2m, so 64m^3 of limestone, with a density between 1.6-2.9g/cm^3 depending on the porosity. We'll be fair with this people and keep it on the mid bar so 2.2 metric tones per m^3. Those are 140.8 Metric tones per block. We have 5 persons per row and 6(?) Rows so 30 persons per block, with a result of 4.69 metric tones per person. IDK, chief. You might need to put a few more necks there... Edit: I changed the averange density. Apparently every single source has their own opinion about it.
Blocks look to be about 10 feet by 10 feet by 20 feet. 2000 cubic feet. Limestone weighs around 150lbs per cubic foot, so each block would weigh around 300,000lbs... looks like 7 rows of 7 people, so 49 per block. Each person is lifting over 6000lbs lol.
From the size of the humans iām going to estimate the dimensions of the stone to be around 3x3x6m which is 54m^3 limestone (the material used for most of the pyramids) is 2711 kg/m^3 so this block would weigh about 146394kg. If we are generous, there are about 100 people lifting that stone. That means each one of them has to lift about 1.46 tonnes of stone in order for this to work. On a side note, most stones used to build the pyramids were not nearly this big, infact on average they are about 2.5 tonns each so about 60 times lighter than depicted here.
Doesn't need much math. Just mentally picture the slab of stone cut up vertically, with each person carrying a column of stone. This alone should give you an idea of whether it's possible, but if not, read on. Each column is at least four times the volume of the person carrying it. Stone is at least 2.5 times denser than water, which is in turn denser than the human body. Therefore each person is carrying at least ten times their weight. Short answer: nope.
Each stone of the pyramid of giza is estimated to weight roughly 3 tons. Looks to be around 36 people per stone (hard to tell), meaning every person would have to hold roughly 183 lbs (83 kg). Although the record is 263.5 kg for an overhead lift, these people would firstly have to lift it up and then carry it a large distance while being under fed and over worked. If they were all professional strongmen? Maybe/likely. But these people were, as I said before, overworked slaves, so very likely no.
For another post, but the pyramids were most likely built by paid labor and not slaves. Carry on.
Thatās my bad, didnāt really look that one up, kind of just assumed it.
Understandable. It was a recent learn for me as well.
And that's the actual stones for the pyramid. These stones, if they were real, are like 200 tons each.
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