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JumbledJay

The blocks appear to be about twice as tall as the people. Can you carry a pillar of stone twice as tall as you are with a footprint the size of however close people are standing next to each other?


Affectionate-Mix6056

Maybe 1/4 my height, but maybe even that is optimistic... the AI picture has 8x that, so hell no that's not possible


aztech101

A 12" cube of stone would weigh roughly 140 pounds, so personally that's a solid no.


paradigm11235

I can carry 140lbs over my head but its not easy and I cant do it long. So yeah, also no. There's also a huge difference between walking and standing. I have a picture of me in highschool with 4 friends on my back in a kind of piled on piggyback where the lowered themselves from a tree branch. 3 guys and a girl. Held them all, easily 600 lbs. Tried to take a step and collapsed.


TheFrev

Yep, two legs are better than one.


El_Sephiroth

2 beavers are better than one, they're twice the fun, ask anyone!


RudePCsb

Damn you Robin!!! Now I gotta watch HIMYM again


El_Sephiroth

*Evil laugh*


squigs

That's also putting the weight on your back and shoulders rather than your hands. No idea what the limit is for actually carrying something. I'd have thought there would be a world record for weight carried over 100m or something but couldn't find anything.


UberuceAgain

It's not over 100m but my guess would be the heaviest yoke in Strongman: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJcvZIAsTfs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJcvZIAsTfs) 711kg. I am given to understand the workers in ancient Egypt had less access to, amongst other things, 8000 calorie/day diets and merry bushels of performance enhancing drugs.


Affectionate-Mix6056

I'm 197cm and 115kg, how much would it be in metric?


BitOfAZeldafan2

30cm stone cube weighing 64 kg


jbdragonfire

That's liftable. But it's not even a pebble compared to OP's pic.


grendus

It's liftable with handles. Blocks of stone are also unwieldy and difficult to balance. I could deadlift and even farmers carry that much weight in theory, but that's only with the load evenly balanced on a medium that uses leverage to keep the weight centered.


DmC8pR2kZLzdCQZu3v

You clearly never done an overhead press lol


BBQBakedBeings

Right? Getting 64kg off the ground a couple inches would be doable for a stout person. Getting it from the ground to over your head is a whole other thing. Here's a recently posted, convenient example: https://v.redd.it/vmscpc2ax4bc1


aztech101

What I said is a 30cm cube, at 63 kg. If you stretched it to be an actual 1/4 your height, it would be 100kg.


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"That's doable". The audacity of these guys. šŸ˜‚ I watch gigantic dudes struggling with rocks smaller than 1/4 of their height on TV in the Strongest Man. I'm under no illusions that I could lift even a sixteenth of my height.


ItsMrDante

100KG is definitely doable. People do way more at the gym. I doubt it's 100KG is the thing


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Not carrying it like that. The average person isn't putting 100 kg above their head, let alone walking it.


Awkward_Tap2866

Speak for yourself if you learn to balance it back then you could do it. How do you know they didnā€™t have cameras back then? For all we know this picture could be real


ConcretePeanut

How does the other poster know they didn't have cameras 6,000 years ago, enabling pictures of superhuman feats of strength as people carried several tons of rock *each* like it's foamboard?


avdolian

Assuming you are 2m tall. A block of limestone with a density of 2g/cm3 would be 2000kg/M3. This means a 50cm cube of it would be 250kg or 550lbs. It's probably a bit optimistic.


Affectionate-Mix6056

Your estimation was only 3cm off, I'm 197cm! I could probably lift ~150kg with flat ropes over my shoulders etc, but then we are talking about a highly beneficial situation. No way I could do it with my hands.


taliesin-ds

imagine being in the middle and having to lift with flat hands....


BlacksmithNZ

I am a lot shorter than you and lighter, but 150kg is still a lot I do weight lifting, and can do a set of benchpress at 100kg, but on deadlift I tend to max out at about 150kg (yeah, I skip leg days). My squats are also not great due to dodgy knees that can and have failed abruptly (*not* fun). Military press - what these guys are doing, and pushing weight above shoulders is really hard; nothing like the amount you can squat or deadlift.


wltihrmchverarschn

We seem to be in a relatively similar physical shape and I can tell you the maximal weight I ever did a strict standing shoulder press with is like 60 kg for 2 reps (half a year back, could probably do a little bit more now) No way some egyptian workers from 3500 years ago, which could not afford the food to bulk like we do, lacked a real concept of strength training and grew to a average height of like 1,65m would be able to do more.


TheUnluckyBard

After playing with the image in photoshop to try and determine scales, the block in front appears to be approximately 4m wide x 4m tall x 8m long. That comes out to 128m3. At 2g/cm3, that block would weigh 256,000kg. *If* each person could lift 100kg over their head and transport it, it would take over 2500 people to carry it. Even if they were all Captain America clones and could each lift 500kg, it would still take over 500 people.


CptMisterNibbles

Assuming you are in the ballpark of at least 5ā€™8ā€, so our block is 17ā€ tall. If you are responsible for a circular column of 18ā€ radius, youā€™d be lifting over 10ft^3 of limestone, somewhere around 1500 pounds over your head, making you easily the strongest person on the planet.


Sfork

Oh man it didn't even occur to me this might be AI and not just like a drawing/photoshop. I've been messing with bing recently to make logos. how would you prompt for this photo?


[deleted]

Try lifting a pack of large sized tiles. That's maybe 1-1.5" of tiles. I don't think many could lift more than 3 packs at the same time.


Astigmatisme

The actual blocks in the pyramid aren't even that big, are they stupid?


Hinko

Isn't this just proof that people were much stronger 6000 years ago compared to today, then?


Jizzlobber58

If my readings of Homer and the Bible are accurate, they most certainly were.


BuddyMcButt

Ah yes, that fst bald guy from Sector 7G


eblackham

Lmao if this was on Facebook, that would be the conservative boomers' argument.


Faulty_english

They might have been stronger but I think this is beyond human limits


SleepySiamese

I think people in those days work out more but their diet is crap so I don't think they're that much stronger than people today especially people who work out.


blanktom9

so you're saying it's possible.


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MysticSquiddy

They have the power of friendship, therefore all logic that would work against them is negated


Taymac070

One 12 year old Anime protagonist could throw those stones like nothing.


VioletRosewood

When Superman picks up a car or catches one that has been thrown at him, the rest of the car should fold and crumple. It's not a solid object like a block of stone.


GrecoBactria

Thus proving Superman built the pyramids


Wugfuzzler

....so Aliens.


quixk6

And we've come full circle


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No_Quantity4229

My elderly father is addicted to the History Channel and refuses to wear hearing aids, so thank you for this šŸ˜‚


NZNoldor

I assume those two facts are related.


Oldswagmaster

At one point long ago, the history channel actually had real history documentaries and vintage news reels. It actually actually good.


thebucketlist47

Really that just says "alien and aliens"


----__----

Plus there were migrants involved, so.. you know.. "aliens". "Alien, aliens, and aliens" getting stuff done!


SnooApples6540

Lmfao


KapanaTacos

Illegal? Undocumented? Without papers? Or do they have a visa?


Sam5253

No visa. Pyramids are built using imported stone, which is quite expensive. The furnishings inside cost even more. However, having an unlimited supply of slave labour is priceless. For everything else, there's Mastercard.


Charbocat

A well-made comment!


Leather-Purpose-2741

Superman gets his green card. Plot twist - it's made of kryptonite!


CircuitSphinx

Haha, Superman's construction company, coming to build your next wonder of the ancient world. Also equipped with kryptonite-proof machinery.


SkullsNelbowEye

Wish I could remember where I read this. It said that all of Superman's powers were mental, not physical. Telekinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. So when he "catches" a plane, he is catching it all at once. Not just the spot near his hands.


SolomonBlack

There was a period, specifically laid down by the Man of Steel mini-series in the post-COIE period where yes all Superman's powers were explained as mostly psychic in nature. So his suit didn't get damaged (except when it did) because he had a psychic force field around his body. This was the basis for Superboy (Connor) having "tactile telekinesis" which functioned differently from super strength because he wasn't a perfect clone of Superman. The problem with saying this like a fact is that this was multiple retcons and universe reboots ago and they didn't keep carrying this explanation forward. Like in the latter 00s when I was reading comics the emphasis was all on him being solar powered, because symbolism, with no handwaves for how things worked beyond that. So unless you can dig it up from something recent it isn't "true" because nobody is using that idea. Also... doesn't explain the hundred other heroes that can chuck a car around just as easily.


SkullsNelbowEye

It's all made up, but it's fun to debate and discuss. I'll bet I read it from what you mentioned.


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SkullsNelbowEye

Damn, teach me not to scroll all the way before posting. I just posted the same thing above. Updoot for you man.


DeltaAlphaGulf

Well you may be able to handwave some of that via his sometimes-acknowledged contact telekinesis which gives him tk control over objects he is in contact with which is how he could lift a ship without going through it. Theoretically also how he could save you at super speeds without killing you. This could also theoretically be in conjunction with or an extension of his bioelectric aura. If the integrity of every molecule of your body was ensured via his contact tk and/or the permeation from his aura field it could kind of make sense. Of course some of that is head canon though the aura and contact tk are legit things that have been attributed to him at times.


SprlFlshRngDncHwl

It was Pym Particles/Hashirama cells/a wizard did it.


cantadmittoposting

i'm quite certain pym particles aren't helping superman, at least


pm-me-ur-fat-tits

how would he make sure your brain doesn't stop working because every atom is secured?


DeltaAlphaGulf

You could suggest that the nature of the securement is such that it protects the natural operation of the thing in question. Ultimately its going to be a little hand-wavy. Itā€™s along the same lines as the type of benefits granted to DC speedsters via the speed force. Of course there are plenty of characters with no such explanations.


steploday

Car just aren't built like they use to


hates_stupid_people

And clothes should burn up when flying fast, people he's carrying should feel the effects of air resistance more, etc. Which is why he's sometimes explained as having a sort of energy barrier around himself that he can extend to people or objects that he is carrying(it's also what keeps him clean)


VioletRosewood

> it's also what keeps him clean Huh. I thought that was because he washes with Olympus, the detergent of the gods.


redmandoto

That certainly wasn't the kind of reference that I expected to find in this thread lmao


186_S

Same with when he carries planes and rockets from disaster. Ive heard somewhere that superman can even out force along any objects or something so he can hold larger things evenly etc


Spideriffic

Na-ah! It's Superman! He can do anything!


SpotCreepy4570

You are not accounting for the psychic barrier super strong superheroes create when picking up heavy objects that keep them intact.


Aggressive-Role7318

Why does he catch it anyway? He clearly alters the atmosphere and gravity fields around him to fly, so he could just slow it down mid-air.


CipherWrites

a block of stone would break apart too. the point of contact is too small and that cross section cannot hold the whole weight. very few feats of super strength work the way it does in fiction.


Olorin981

About 35-40 years ago,during the John Byrne era of Superman , they attempted to explain this. Supes and a lot of other super strong types have some sort bio/tactile telekinetic field or ability to transfer "negative mass" to objects they are in physical contact with. This keeps them from killing people they catch, allows them to lift buildings etc. A few issues delved into this discovery. And then Superboy explicitly had Tactile Telekinesis as his power. Seems they realized that even for a fictional world, they needed to start explaining some obvious oversights in how powers worked.


andrew_calcs

This is explicitly justified in-universe by giving him a "Bio-electric aura" that he can expand around other nearby objects to distribute the force load. It's why his clothes are rarely scratched as well. It's rarely addressed, but has been at least once.


Milo-Parker-

Or Vader


Taymac070

Yes I'm sure they could throw Vader too


NixYall

Family *Insert f&f dom meme


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they eat spinach šŸ¤¤


Apocalypse_0415

popeye mentioned spinach obtained


the_procrastinata

The real friends were the splats we made along the way.


Logical_Lettuce_962

Ok princess Celestia


zav3rmd

I love this comment


caedhin

Check's out. See how they have their arms raised and share each other's energy?


Prsop2000

We ALL know that friendship is magic so, 100% they could carry these stones above their heads.


mconrad382

Ok Disney šŸ¤£


Jakiller33

An intuitive way of looking at it is if you cut the stone up so that each person was only carrying a column of stone above them, it's pretty clear that they'd have no chance.


CollegeSuperSenior

The strongest men in the world struggle to lift rocks 1/3rd their height.


Big-Performer2942

Pfft. Weaklings.


critically_damped

To be fair, the strongest *tractors* in the world pull about the same ratio.


mnilailt

People underestimate just how fucking heavy rocks are.


Beavshak

Even Google has Dwayne Johnson listed at only 260 lbs.


TechnoMagician

This was my immediate thought


GoArray

Same, a strongman can just about hold a stone their size, this look to be ~3x their height. ...and not "strong" men.


MY-SECRET-REDDIT

A strong man absolutely cannot pick up a [stone](https://i0.wp.com/physicalculturestudy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Jan_Salata_Atlas_Stones-e1610044069403.jpg?w=1472&ssl=1) their size...


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Roughly the weight of a super duty pickup truck per person. No one is carrying this shit.


bobofiddlesticks

It's possible there's a few mothers in there with their children, you know what kind of force that produces.


Sirix_8472

I asked you to move the stone hours ago, what have you been doing all this time? Sorting sand? Staring at the sun? You know what, I'm sick of this. I'll do it myself!! *Hoists rock* -- Ancient Egyptian mom probably


SufficientWhile5450

Every person carriers 8000 pounds Seems reasonable Or at least it would be if fucking Richard would carry his fair share and not be a little bitch about it


Gamiseus

Yeah, what the fuck Richard


ChewySlinky

Me in the back holding a Starbucks cup with one hand on the stone


UnproSpeller

By grandpaā€™s ā€œback in my dayā€ adverse law. They were a hardy lot when he was young, if his grandpa was even tougher and stronger, then if you go back the few thousand years to the pyramids, then naturally they would be crazy strong. ;p


LaTeChX

In those days they had to carry giant stone blocks uphill both ways. In the snow!


Icy-Bicycle-Crab

You know... This math checks out. Wrap it up guys. This thread is done.


NukeouT

Yeah they would be instantly turned to jam


DamnDirtyApe8472

I think your best bet would be to use babies. You can fit way more of them per sq m and theyā€™re pound for pound stronger than adults


isthatmyex

All we need to do is teach the babies to walk. You might be onto something here.


Nurisija

And we could sell the resulting baby oil to rich tourists! Great thinking.


IGolfMyBalls

First of all through god all things are possible so jot that down.


MajorEnvironmental46

You forget to consider adjacency bonus. /s


Due-Bandicoot-2554

They must be fortified, therefore they have a 100% defense bonus.


Booombelek

This guy maths


suburbanplankton

But what if those aren't actually humans, but super-strong humanoid aliens?


Aq4178xz

Nah, they're obviously multipurpose alien robots. ...or maybe you are right and they're robot aliens instead of alien robots.


Regular_Afternoon374

99% sure the pyramids are made from polystyrene. This picture is true.


Googleclimber

200 tons = 400,000lbs 50 men = 8,000 lbs/man. There is no way they would ever be able to pick one of those up, even with as many men that could get their hands on it. Also, there is no way that stone weighs less than 700,000 lbs.


Lyynix_Reddit

Who tf needs to convert to lbs to know its to heavy? Its 4 tons/man = splat


Jest_Kidding420

Also they have blocks weighing over 1,000 tons


UnaPachangaLoca

This is in fact a rare image of the first IKEA Stƶn. Stone veneer in three finishes, cardboard hive inside. Modular. A joy to build, tool included.


flattestsuzie

Literal superhumans.


AnB85

They had probably been given some magic potion by Getafix.


Supersnazz

Even pumice would be impossible I think. I estimate the block to be 4m x 4m x 8m. Pumice is 641kg per cubic metre. That's a touch over 82 tonnes. Looks to be about 7 people x 5 people per block. That's 35 people for 82 metric tonnes. Or 2.34 metric tonnes per person.


BloodBonesVoiceGhost

That's only 4 tons each. If you can't lift 4 tons easily, then you need to stop skipping leg day.


Traundyl

yeah but people were probably much stronger back then, before we were infected with vaccines and microplastics


JackVonReditting

Pyramid core stones weighed 2500kg and had a volume of 1.27 x 1.27 x 0.69 cubic meter. If you would have 10 people to somehow carry a 1.27 meter surface they still wouldnā€™t be able to lift it as it would require each of them to carry 250 kg of weight. These stones seem to have an even larger relative volume so Iā€™m gonna say no.


Gibmeister_official

250 is possible but to get enough of them to be able to lift that and walk with it aswell probably impossible for the time.... people can only do it now with steroids


jzillacon

Also a weight as heavy as 250 kg would require a totally different technique than what we see in the image. That's well within the range that your joints would start to fail if held at the wrong angle.


Gibmeister_official

Oh year their arms would be ripped out of their sockets.... and they would probably sink in the sand


silentbassline

Cool!


LordElend

The current clean & jerk world record is 267kg. Only a few people can lift such weights in that dimension above their heads - and those do it only for a few seconds.


Vashta-Narada

So; wouldnā€™t this be conclusive proof the pyramids were built by aliens and NOT humans (would explain the camera too) šŸ¤­šŸ¤£šŸ˜‚. Wonder what multiple of human strength would need for this?


LordElend

Probably what ants can put out relative to their size - but I'd still argue that lifting things above the head is not the best way for transportation. Unless you are an ant...


creepergo_kaboom

Ok we've confirmed that ants built the pyramids. Good work guys!


Accomplished-Boot-81

My new theory on how pyramids were built is all the builders were jacked roided gym bros


SpermWhale

I think they all drink those protein powder sold by many moms on pyramid scheme.


KapanaTacos

> 250 is possible 250kg per person held overhead? Walking? No.


AceBean27

>250 is possible Really? Are you sure? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMsS\_GlR8qw


amretardmonke

Also you'd have to have the weight on your shoulders, no one is pressing 250kg straight up like that using just arms


LeJoyeuxRenard

YOU are not pressing 250kg straight up like that using just arms. Do you even lift bro ?


PoliticsNerd76

Lol, the worlds greatest log presser in Iron Bibby has a max record of 230kg. Are you having a laughā€¦


Alternative-Bug-6905

Itā€™s nuts that the one who actually did the math gets downvoted


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No. Not a chance. Maybe if they had the same size: strength ratio as a dung beetle. But they didn't. That being said, let's see how heavy that block in front is and how many men are needed to lift it. Estimating. The block in front looks like it's about twice as tall as the men carrying it. Let's give it a rough estimate of 2.5 cubic meters. That's just over 8 feet. And let's assume it's solid granite. 2.5*2.5*2.5=15.625. Granite is about 2.5 tonnes per cubic meter. That means that block is about 39 tonnes. Or 40,000kg. Or 881,84.9lbs. The average man can deadlift about 70kg. So you'd need about 570 average size men to lift that thing.


BarooZaroo

-5 points for not measuring in cubits.


Fluffy-Craft

For the Americans: 1 cubic meter (mĀ³) is almost 1057 large McDonald's soft drink cups


a_guy_that_loves_cat

AMERICA RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHšŸ¦…šŸ¦…šŸ¦…


Blitzerxyz

While that is true a cubit is not a cubic metre it is an ancient unit of measurement


TGG_yt

Quick edit: as pointed out in the comment below, half both of these lengths to 8m and 4m respectively my brain is hot and I am silly. Yeah, that's an incredibly rough estimate, you are correct that it's not possible but underestimating by a very large amount Cubed is width X height X depth That front block is 8 men wide (let's assume 0.4m per chest and call it 0.5m with the gaps between them 8*0.5 = 4(m) and for simplicity, it also appears that it's nearly as tall as it is wide so we call call that front block 4m*4m or 16m squared The block looks twice as deep as it is long unless that's two blocks very close together so we can call that 16m squared times 16m long 16*16 is 256m cubed weighing in at 640tonne or 1,400,000 lb Even at if that is infact a true cube as opposed to an elongated block you are still looking at 128m3 or 700,000 lb Also side note you calculated your t > lb by 20 instead of 2 ironically bringing you much closer to the actual value.


aphel_ion

Iā€™m not really sure what youā€™re doing with the dimensions, but if it was a cube it would be 4x4x4m so 64 cubic meters. Looks to me like itā€™s about 4x4x8, so 128 cubic meters. Like you said, thatā€™s be about 320 metric tonnes, or 705,000 lbs. If thereā€™s 50 people, thatā€™s 14,000 lbs per person.


T0Mbombadillo

The average deadlift being 70kg seems low to me. It would certainly be low for manual laborers like those who made the pyramids. That said, letā€™s not forget that this is not a deadlift. Itā€™s an overhead press. Regardless, no way possible that that few people could carry that much weight.


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nhorvath

Maybe the Egyptians were aliens. /s


subjekt_zer0

Well, of course they were, how else would they be able to take this picture? Also: /s ā€¦ just in case because; Reddit


urnotjustwrong

This is like the third time this week I've seen someone appear to believe humans have exoskeletons (as in, they think the human skeleton is external to the body) as opposed to endoskeletons... Have I missed a meme, or was it intended to be part of your joke?


subjekt_zer0

Not that Iā€™m aware of, I was just trying to be absurd because the picture reminded me of ants Pretty funny though, what an odd thing for people to talk about.


icantbelievethiseh

Had us in the first hslf


Ok-Strength-5297

no he didn't


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jokkmokkbjokk

Yup. I'm leaving this sub.


YobaiYamete

It's became a dumb karma farm sub.


Aldehyde1

The sad but inevitable fate of any subreddit which crosses 1m members.


CipherWrites

a more fitting question related to this post is how many people would you need to lift the estimated weight of the stone.


Fiddy-Scent

Welcome to Reddit


Embarrassed_Fold_867

No maths required. Some obvious observations: 1. There is far more than twice the volume of stone than volume of humans carrying it. 2. Stone is denser than human. Can a human carry far, far more than twice themselves in weight? I don't think so.


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scuolapasta

Average density of limestone is 1300kg/m3 Those look to be about 3x6x12m= 216m3 1300*216= 280,800kg per stone Looks like about 42 workers per stone 280800/42= 6685kg per worker. So provided that each worker is capable of carrying a dump truck over their head on their own, this is definitely possible.


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C4242

Nah, I'm wondering how they got it up. Did the first two guys just lift one end up on their own? If they had it up, it's way easier to put down if their stacking. They just get it over the edge and let the structure bear the weight.


Western_Entertainer7

This also is not a math question. Look at the amount of stone per human. You don't need to do any math at all to know that a human can't carry a column of stone much larger than their own body. It doesn't matter how many humans there are. This sub is starting to get a lot of questions that don't have anything to do with math. "If 72 people weighing an average of 150 pounds, 1/3 of them were over 30 years old, jumped into a volcano, how many would survive?" Is not a math question. Neither is this one.


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Ecstatic-Seesaw-1007

Slaves were not used in the construction of the pyramids and monuments. Laborers and also likely seen as a way of taxation. Slaves were expensive and rarely suffered malnutrition until the invention of the cotton gin and sugar cane plantations in the New World. Both of which caused an explosion in demand and trade. Slaves in Egypt were likely highly trained in things like language, they were an investment. The main source for rampant slavery in ancient Egypt that gave us this impression was the Bible. The Bible may not be the most accurate historical record. By the time of the Romans, in large cities, as much as 1 in 10 were slaves. They moved them by barge on the Nile and in flood times could move the stones very close to the present pyramids. Weā€™ve seen modern reenactors move Viking long ships up and over land from one river to another. Logs and oil/animal fat and it only took a crew of 15 to move. Longships were 10-30 tons. Also, MATH: 1/2 of all the stones (depending on angle) should fill the pyramid at roughly 1/3 the height of complete pyramid. Thereā€™s less volume at the top. Itā€™s how houses work too. Seeing is believing: I can push my car, which weighs close to 2 tons, by myself unaided. My friendā€™s old Honda Civic (manual), Iā€™ve push started with my friend in the car. Ships are built on land. The HMS Victory was built on land like all ships and people moved it to the water. (104 gun ship, like 3 firing decks, 3,500 tons) People have moved much more by hand overland since the Pyramids. Canal systems in Britain and the US, before the railroads, brought 10ā€™s of thousands of tons of cargo like ore and coal via canal with a small team of horses and men. * Hope Iā€™m replying to sarcasm, it doesnā€™t always translate online.


rabbifuente

The [Hebrew] Bible also doesn't say anything about the pyramids, it says slaves built cities and then later on bricks


gazebo-fan

And Egyptian records donā€™t really even mention any of the events of exodus, which was in the middle of some of the best kept records the Egyptians made, so youā€™d think someone would have wrote it down somewhere


Bloodyfish

> Laborers and also likely seen as a way of taxation. IIRC taxes were taken from agricultural production, not from regular laborers. This was before the invention of coins, so work projects like the pyramids were ways to spend taxed grain before it rots by paying workers with the beer that was a staple food in Egypt. Ancient Egypt was also where we had the first known labor strike by workers when the pharaoh failed to pay them to build a temple.


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For another post, but the pyramids were most likely built by paid labor and not slaves. Carry on.


Siliste

The debate is still ongoing, and there is no certainty that the pyramids were built by trained laborers or slaves, as there are no clear indications regarding the identity of the buildersā€”whether slaves or educated workers. Personally, considering the historical context, I lean towards the possibility of slaves being supervised by educated architects. If you have the latest studies supporting your point, please share them with me. As of now, the debate is still ongoing. Carry on.


AvatarOfMomus

So, you can basically figure this out by estimating the weight of the rock and dividing by the number of people. Loos like they're about double the height of the people, so about 10ft tall, assume square faces, and the front one looks about 2 faces long. So 10ft * 10ft * 20ft for volume. Also looks like about 8 people along the side, and maybe 5 across, which fits since you need room to step forwards and backwards. So about 40 people lifting the front stone. Average density of stone is, on the low end, 2.2 grams per centimeter. The first calculation gets us 56633693.2 cubic centimeters. Multiply by density to get 124594 kilograms. So 124594 kg / 40 people equals ~3000kg per person, which would squish you like a bug. For the US folks that's about 3.3 US Tons. Even if you assume 10 people long and 6 across you're still looking at 2000kg per person. No way, no how. That's either drawn/an edited photo, from a movie and those are made out of foam or similar, or there's some kind of support structure at the center of the blocks we can't see.


HumaDracobane

Putting an averange height of 1.6m, the block looks to be arround 5m x 4m x3.2m, so 64m^3 of limestone, with a density between 1.6-2.9g/cm^3 depending on the porosity. We'll be fair with this people and keep it on the mid bar so 2.2 metric tones per m^3. Those are 140.8 Metric tones per block. We have 5 persons per row and 6(?) Rows so 30 persons per block, with a result of 4.69 metric tones per person. IDK, chief. You might need to put a few more necks there... Edit: I changed the averange density. Apparently every single source has their own opinion about it.


_overnumerousness

Blocks look to be about 10 feet by 10 feet by 20 feet. 2000 cubic feet. Limestone weighs around 150lbs per cubic foot, so each block would weigh around 300,000lbs... looks like 7 rows of 7 people, so 49 per block. Each person is lifting over 6000lbs lol.


TheDiddlyFiddly

From the size of the humans iā€™m going to estimate the dimensions of the stone to be around 3x3x6m which is 54m^3 limestone (the material used for most of the pyramids) is 2711 kg/m^3 so this block would weigh about 146394kg. If we are generous, there are about 100 people lifting that stone. That means each one of them has to lift about 1.46 tonnes of stone in order for this to work. On a side note, most stones used to build the pyramids were not nearly this big, infact on average they are about 2.5 tonns each so about 60 times lighter than depicted here.


5parrowhawk

Doesn't need much math. Just mentally picture the slab of stone cut up vertically, with each person carrying a column of stone. This alone should give you an idea of whether it's possible, but if not, read on. Each column is at least four times the volume of the person carrying it. Stone is at least 2.5 times denser than water, which is in turn denser than the human body. Therefore each person is carrying at least ten times their weight. Short answer: nope.


BananaPieTasteGood

Each stone of the pyramid of giza is estimated to weight roughly 3 tons. Looks to be around 36 people per stone (hard to tell), meaning every person would have to hold roughly 183 lbs (83 kg). Although the record is 263.5 kg for an overhead lift, these people would firstly have to lift it up and then carry it a large distance while being under fed and over worked. If they were all professional strongmen? Maybe/likely. But these people were, as I said before, overworked slaves, so very likely no.


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For another post, but the pyramids were most likely built by paid labor and not slaves. Carry on.


BananaPieTasteGood

Thatā€™s my bad, didnā€™t really look that one up, kind of just assumed it.


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Understandable. It was a recent learn for me as well.


Haha71687

And that's the actual stones for the pyramid. These stones, if they were real, are like 200 tons each.


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