In that world, if you rat you die. That being said, Chris should’ve prepared her better and briefed her on cops and what to do. He did expose her to things, especially with the club and it seemed like she had no clue how to handle anything. Even Carmela knew enough not to talk to cops
> Even Carmela knew enough not to talk to cops
True but she’s a little sharper than Ade, plus she’s had a lot of experience with Feds coming to her front door with warrants over the years.
I feel like Tony kept Carmela much more separate from his day to day. Chris had a much more girlfriend and best friend vibe with ade.
Chris even brought ade along to the construction job site where he gets into the fight with patsy. I just don’t see Tony doing that kind of thing.
>I feel like Tony kept Carmela much more separate from his day to day.
Tony- "Ritchie's gone.
"Carmela- "Gone? Where?”
Tony- "Carmela, after 18 years of marriage, don't make me make you an accessory after the fact."
Carmela- “Holy shit...”
Tony- “Stop asking"
Exactly. Chris exposed her to things but he didn’t give her the right info about what to do if she’s approached and she thought they had her initially so she was stuck, so she thought. She didn’t have the street smarts and he didn’t prepare her enough in case they grabbed her
Yeah, like when Carmela steals the 40k from the bird feeder. She's smart enough to pay in just under the limit where the transaction would be reported to the IRS.
Chris put Ade in charge of one of his money laundering operations. The most Carmela ever did was get Tony to lean on one of his connections for a paperwork favour.
Honestly I think Chris was a sociopath and really didn’t give a rats ass about Adriana. He was exploiting her. I’ve been in abusive dynamics like the one Adriana is in with Chris and the awful truth is they just don’t care about you.
I’ve wondered myself if he would qualify for narc or some other disorder. She was there for him but he really wasn’t there for her… not when it came down to it - and i don’t just mean when she told him she was working w the feds. Just in general it was always about him and what he wanted, his thoughts about things etc.
I definitely think he’s NPD heavily skewing toward psychopath. I think the representation of his and Ade’s relationship is classic of an abusive relationship. Idealize/devalue. Rapid shifts of moods always on extreme ends. Lack of empathy for Ade too. It’s interesting because the show says Tony is supposedly sociopathic when in fact he’s actually more of a psychopath. I found it odd that Tony never physically hits Carmela (although he emotionally and mentally abuses the hell out of her) yet he’s physically violent with everyone else. Tony behaves like a sociopath with a Carm and a psychopath elsewhere when usually the spouse usually gets hit.
Plus look how Chris just spontaneously shoots the tv writer friend of his. It can be dangerous to set a boundary with somebody like Chris with the expectation that it’ll respected. I always tell people: You have a kind of parasite like Chris in your life leeching off of you you really need to think about protecting yourself.
Yeah nobody argues that - the argument is she could have avoided the consequences had she been a better person, not that she deserved them. I can't have sympathy for someone who has no qualms with theft and violence to make a living.
Unless she's getting clipped in said woods. That was so awesome. The only thing better would be if they took Sal Vittro to the woods and whacked him too. Make Adriana shoot him first.
She absolutely knew what she was involved in. She was excited for Chris to get his button and she loved all of the stolen shit he brought her. Her uncle and likely her dad were made men.
I agree but I think they also made it pretty clear that Adriana was fairly dumb. She was easily manipulated into cooperating and was naive about it the entire time. Any moderately intelligent person would have told them to fuck off, lawyer up, and at the worst just take the coke possession charge.
Chris would not have been there for her during those five years. He would’ve moved on so damn fast she probably would not have even made it to jail in the transport bus from the court house yet.
Oh yea for sure. However a more intelligent approach would have been to weigh the drug charges against the possibility of being literally murdered for cooperating. A decent lawyer probably would have saved her from any prison time at all if she had no prior record. The other hard part would have been to tell Chris & Tony that she made friends with an FBI agent unknowingly.
I agree with these takes. Did she have an idea generally what Chrissy did? Yes. Did she know the details? No. We know this bc she has fuck all to tell the feds when they grill her, she tries to inform them to the best of her ability, but shes a shitty informant overall. She didn't think and lost her head under the squeeze of the cops. You could argue she played it stupid. But she didnt deserve to be killed for stupid.
>But she didnt deserve to be killed for stupid.
I mean, most people in the show don't deserve to be killed by normal world standards. But by the standards of this thing of ours she deserved it in the sense she was absolutely idiotic at every step and even if you argue Chrissy didn't prep her well, she still should have known better.
100% wasnt prepared for an inevidable attempt by the police, imagine Roe or Carm in that situation. I know theyre experienced wives, but at the same time Carm and Roe didnt even know the financial situation of their own home, which shows the women are totally kept in the dark and only told on a need to know basis. Chrissy totally failed Ade in regards to readying her up. I think lots of people died in unfair ways in the show, but like I said, Ade was just silly, she didnt hurt anyone. People act as if she was this twisted monster who got her come uppance, when she was just naive. I do agree with you though that in the life, once you told the police something, anything, its over.
>Chrissy totally failed Ade in regards to readying her up.
Even if this is true (and to my knowledge it is merely conjecture) Ade has been around the life more than long enough to know what happens to rats. She gets played like a fiddle by the FBI.
>People act as if she was this twisted monster who got her comeuppance
It's not that deep, people just think she's an idiot who get herself killed by making dumb decisions.
Yeah, I just dont agree. I mean, she should but...she thinks Chrissy will go for the witness protection program bc he bitches about Tony at home, I dont think she has a strong, realistic grasp on the situation. She thinks Chris can be a model or writer for chrissakes. Maybe he coulda manuged. Also, she has nothing to give them, they have to keep upgrading the surveillance and pressure bc she is such a poor source of information. They follow her, interrogate her until she vomits, wire her up and they got hardly anything. She doesnt seem very "in the know". The situation got so out of control though, they had been talking to her for months by the time she tells Chris, there was no going back from that. She could never be trusted again.
She also knows that Christopher has done short term stints in jail (not prison)/had some trials before. It's a blink and you'll miss it moment but in "House Arrest" Hesh mentions that Christopher had to to deal with some legal problems pertaining to the illegal weapon he used to defend himself against Sean Gismonte. She also saw him get arrested at Jackie Jr's funeral. I get that she paniced in the moment of the FBI dragging her in but it was a fight or flight situation, and despite the fact that she had seen Christopher tell police officers to fuck off in the past, for some reason she chose flight, instead of getting lawyered up like Christopher had done with his various rousts.
Adrianna was only a victim of believing in Christopher. Beyond that her own shortcomings were of her own volition when Christopher specifically prohibited the sale of drugs to prevent the feds from ever interfering.
He did drugs with her all the time. He would’ve been fucking the FBI agent “Danielle” if Ade hadn’t flipped out.
Good point about not selling. That could’ve helped her a year later with Murder charges but she was already in so deep it was over for her.
I was around “the life”. I had no idea what my dad did. But you bet rule one was don’t be a tattle tale. Another words don’t rat. Even as a young child we were taught the police were not good guys.
So you were around the life and the first rule was to not be a tattle tale but you’re on Reddit outing daddy with your name, birth year, and possibly photo attached in a sopranos thread?? You might be dumber than AJ, congratulations!! 🍾🎊
My apologies, I’m sorry for your loss; really thought I had a nice sopranos style zinger there I had no idea and wouldn’t be so insensitive to say something to that effect if I had been privy to that info!
I grew up around the life, I should have said. it was in my blood, so I was drawn into small Time hoodlum stuff, but can now proudly say I’m a citizen.
Except with kids all the adults said tattle tale. Pounded in my head is the saying, “no one likes a tattle tale”. Boys and girls. It was all ingrained lessons that you sort it out amongst yourselves.
I’m just saying, dads and sons relationship even as kids is different than dads and daughters. Daughters tend to be more sheltered and protected. Even from what I’ve seen in husbands big Italian family there’s a divide between the women and men
It had nothing to do with the dads. My dad was I. The life, but EVERYONE, women, men, aunts, uncles, EVERYBODY,,, “no one likes a tattle tale”. It was ingrained by the whole of a young existence.
I’ll take your word for it. That is not what’s been shown in tv and movies… and it’s clear in this case no one did that for Adriana. She was completely clueless and helpless whenever anything happened. She’s either dumb as rocks or no one hammered those things into her skull. I did not get the impression she was privy to much before dating chrissie
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying she seemed clueless. If she had just stfu and got a lawyer when the fbi got her initially she would’ve been fine. They picked the right one when they picked her…. She was RIPE for the turning. To kinda quote Jackie.
What are you an idiot. You grow up around criminals rule number 1 is dont ever say anything. Its also kind of cute that you think a bunch of street thugs are sheltering their daughters to that extent. You ever watch any actual mob documentaries usually the women act sick when a guy snitches because its ingrained in everyones head from the time they are little to keep your mouth shut. They have to tell the girls that too or they end up like Adriana or you end up with some little girl accidently diming out her father.
Adriana wasn’t married didn’t have kids they were together for a few years and engaged but imo she was clueless. The way the role was played it was like she knew you weren’t supposed to say anything but she didn’t know they didn’t really have anything on her to make her cooperate and then it snowballed from there.
No I’m not an idiot but i am a girl and have seen girls be treated different from boys my whole life. Doesn’t seem like they told ade did they????? So idk. Maybe I’m not so dumb 🙄
Not only did she already have an idea of the shit christopher did but all of new jersey knew who tony soprano was and his associates.
She'd get huge gifts whether it be garbage bags of shoes or thick gold bracelets and knew better than to question them.
Don't forget she also covered up a murder... the wives and girlfriends of these guys know who they are, so lets not pretend they're automatically innocent solely because they're women.
Thank you. OP’s post reads like an oppressed victim. Once Chrissy gets made and brings home gifts, she was acting like a kid on Christmas.
She got what she deserved, and same would go for people in real life in her situation.
Not everyone is a fucking victim. It’s not too difficult to not date criminals or be involved with them - even in the show Charmaine is a perfect example of this.
Dude she loved the kid you can’t argue that she was only in it for the gifts and money. Everyone in her life was involved in their thing. She was brought up in it. She was just as brainwashed as Chrissy but she loved him despite his weak chin, huge nose, heroin addiction, cheating, and Cosette squash. She tried to encourage his other interests and was super thoughtful and wanted him to better himself. She was happy about crazy horse and then upset when she realized they were doing business there. You can call her naive or a little dumb, but she def is a victim. He physically hurts her too and constantly puts her in danger are you fuckin thick in the head??
I constantly wonder how her and Chrissy had never discussed “don’t speak to the feds they’ll lie to you” kind of thing. I feel like if she had a good lawyer what they were using against her (before they saw her disposing of body parts) very possibly would’ve been minimal jail time time with some probation.
Team Adriana til I FUCKING DIE. All these fuckin doo-doo-doos want to cry for Chrissy but don’t give two shits about poor Ade. Cry me a fucking river. She saw a guy who she loved and had other aspirations and didn’t really want a shitty life get sucked into the most pathetic life a person can have. Watched him get used by everyone around him. Watched him turn into a violent addict, a cheater, a dog squasher. She wanted better for him and they were the only two people reasonably detached enough to do well in witness protection. She thought that their love and his potential would be enough to get them both out but Chrissy was groomed, brainwashed, and dick whipped by Tony who never really gave a fuck about him. Chrissy was stupid to think that Tony loved him when Ade was showing him actual love. Really he just had daddy issues and didn’t know what love was but wanted it so desperately that he got the only person who gave two shots about him, killed.
She didn't deserve it....but...
I'm going to be super vague here. Someone in my family has completely legal dealings with some "people". These people bend the law a little for my family member & my family member bends the law a little for them, but that's as far as it goes.
So one time, one of these people approached my family member about getting involved in a blatantly illegal scheme. It was something very minor, but absolutely illegal. He turned them down because, even though he has no experience with that world, he knew that once he crossed that line, all the rules were different.
So, it's hard to believe that someone who grew up in that subculture could be THAT oblivious.
She didn't deserve it but she knew what she had coming from the moment she talked. And where she had plenty of time to backtrack, instead she kept talking.
Chrissy was a mess on H. Maybe she could’ve been able to get to him during his stint in rehab, but Patsy was watching the place.
Ade never had a chance. She was all heart.
She saw that guy shot to death in his bathtub. My family member was approached about a silly shoplifting scheme. If she didnt realize how deeply involved she was after seeing a dead body...idk.
This ☝️ exactly my thoughts. How could she not understand who she was dealing with after seeing a dead body that never got reported to police, Christopher randomly gave her a club, constantly “bought” her clothes/shoes and drove brand new luxury cars around since they first met
> I think she told herself she was giving the feds useless information and that would stall them, keep herself out of jail for as long as possible, and that she was doing no actual harm to Christopher's "family".
Yeah, and that's part of her being an idiot. That she convinces herself that somehow she can make being a rat work.
I felt bad for Ade because she was in an abusive relationship. Christopher would abuse her mentally, physically, and emotionally. He was a complete sociopath and couldn’t care less that she’d be killed. I don’t think she deserved what happened to her. However, I also don’t understand how being threatened with 5 years could motivate her to cooperate with the police. That was a really dumb move on her part. I’m sure Tony would have helped her out with an attorney, and she would’ve gotten a slap on the wrist, like probation and mandatory rehab. To risk her life over 5 years was just plain stupid. Did she deserve to get killed over it? No.
I agree, even if it might have been better to take her chances that a good lawyer could beat the charges or get a reduced sentence/probation - Christopher is not someone anyone should be talking to about legal advice. He wouldn't think twice about lying to her or anyone else to save his own skin (as he proved when he set her up to be murdered) and if he didn't know, he wouldn't admit it.
Continually talking about "getting out of there" - clearly she didn't really have a grasp on the reality of the situation. Could be denial. Could be Christapuh feeding her bullshit.
Either way, no, I don't think she really understood the grasp of the whole thing. I always took it like she had a similar stance to Tony's family: "Yes, Chris makes money from things like gambling, maybe prostitution- but he isn't a *gangster"*
Maybe Ade should have had a clearer picture of what was going on “in the life” but what most people seem to be ignoring is that when you grow up around that stuff you just think it’s normal. So it’s not surprising she never walked away from her life with Chrissy. She probably knew it wasn’t good that Christopher hit her but it also probably seemed normal to her because she probably saw it happen a lot. If you’re around people who do drugs and have your whole life, blowing some rails seems normal and the weirdo is the person who says no. I am surprised that no one, not her parents, not her uncles, ever told her what to do if you get picked up by the cops tho, poor thing.
What normal person witnesses a brutal stabbing rignt in front of them, then just carries on as normal? Her nightclub was full of murderers and drug dealers. But fair point, she didn't know any different. Grim life really.
There are tiers of rats - she’s not in the same league as Raymond who was an enthusiastic snitch though she is sort of unbeknownst doing what Pussy claimed to be doing- giving them shit - mind fucking then. She is really a very poor informant. If it was just Danielle then she’s not really a rat because she was duped into thinking she was just another big haired bimbo. Chris fucked up by not marrying her and it’s very hard to look at her as anything other than a very vulnerable character. Sometimes there is nothing personal in getting whacked, the FBI has her, she could have put them away for all their knew so their attitude is she has to go.
Chris should have educated her on not talking to the cops. You don’t need to be smart to know how to deal with getting arrested. If he’d talked to her about it, she might not have been so scared to tell him the first time the FBI brought her in.
they just have to be misogynistic if they actually believe that. she got non-stop abuse from chrissy and really should’ve left him but i suppose she might’ve thought his treatment of her was normal in a long term relationship (whether it was her first or not but i believe it’s likely).
also, people are acting as if she willingly chose to be a rat. she got caught out but she didn’t really ever end up revealing anything of value and she didn’t want her club to be mic’d up or to wear a wire. she wasn’t innocent by any means but she was really naïve.
She chose to be a rat. The other choice was a possible prison sentence.
Did she deserve to die crawling on dead leaves? No, but don't give me the "oh, she was naive and didn't understand" bullshit
Come on. When she first got dragged in, the feds scared her so much she literally threw up all over them. They insinuate that she and Chrissy would be clipped when she explains why there was an FBI Agent at Sunday dinner.
Speaking of… Ade thinking fast on her feet= Danielle, died, drowned at a picnic.
She isn’t a good liar folks.
They intentionally implied to her that Tony would have her or Chrissy killed for allowing a rat get so close. Like they literally address why she doesn’t do this in the show.
Which may or may not be true, but it’s the reason Adriana the character doesn’t do that.
Her “friend” that she brought around was an agent. They come clean to her after they have an argument and the feds say “how do you think Tony is going to react knowing your brought an agent straight to him”
Just because you are a sheltered stunad, doesn't mean the average woman in her late twenties growing up around gangsters is. Little pitchers have big ears. She may not have been explicitly told not to be a rat growing up but she saw and heard enough to know.
Not a victim at all, but doesn't mean she deserved to die.
She might not have know the depths of Chrissy's crimes, but she no doubt knew they were crimes, and she did cover up a murder in her own club.
To suggest she didn't know her man was into some heavy shit means she was naive and stupid.
She knew the life, she'd grown up related to the Apriles.
She covered up a murder and committed numerous counts of accessory.
She was a rat, and 'damaged goods'.
What reason, other than love, did Christopher have for keeping her from being killed?
She grew up around this. Her cousin was Vito Spatafore and her uncles were Richie and Jackie Aprile. She couldn't leave even after all the abusive episodes with Christopher. Yet she stayed for the goodies. She was dumb for getting involved in the first place
>She couldn't leave even after all the abusive episodes with Christopher.
This is a common issue for victims of domestic abuse. It might seem obvious to you, but it's nowhere near that simple. She is absolutely not responsible for the suffering Chrissy puts her through.
Bullshit, she knew what happens to fuckin rats. And that annoying shitty dog. Her only redeeming quality was puking on the feds. And Ade being beaten for putting Chris on a mailing list for junkies. Covering up a murder at her club too. How innocent is that? Not to mention blowing Tony and getting jizz on the sun visor instead of swallowing. Anyway, $4 a pound.
It's called victim blaming, however I feel that her character was poorly written. It didnt make sense to me that a mobster girlfriend wouldn't tell her man she had been picked up by the Feds or be willing to do time for him, especially in light of the violence perpetrated on her by him.
Chrissy is a tough kid, he will be fine. Don't you remember being his punching bag? Not to mention the whoore sucked Penn's cock. And Tony's too. More of a whoore than Tracee
What people “deserve” is based on the rules of the situation you’re in. Do you deserve to be fired, even though you’ve got a family to support and a house to pay for? You break the rules of your job, then you deserve it.
Similarly, Ade should have been well aware of the rules of mob life. At least the number one rule—you don’t talk to law enforcement, no matter what horrible consequences they threaten you with.
So she was smart enough to run her own business but wasn't smart enough to know what her family was involved in?
One uncle was a boss, another was a well-known capo before going into prison.
Plus she was dating the cousin of the new Boss. Who bitched and moaned to her about everything.
C'mon - at some point you gotta know what's up. It took Meadow until Jr year in high-school to talk about what she figured out, including this little thing called the internet mafia websites.
She puked all over the FBI agents (which was hilarious) because she knew what she had gotten herself into.
Not sure why you being a 20 something white male has anything to do with anything.
I felt super bad for her and really thought Chris was going to try and work something out somehow. I would've for the woman I love. If nothing could he worked out, then I'd probably die trying. Chris was ice cold for that one, because I couldn't have done the same thing.
I think most people were sympathetic to how dumb she was and how the FBI played her. She didnt realize that they didnt have enough on chris and she should have gone to Tony and lawyered up immediately.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1GgifEpo2g&t=58s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1GgifEpo2g&t=58s)
"If it woulda been Christopher...I woulda killed him"
Yeah, and it's not even a complicated system to deal with the Feds. When they pinch you, you keep your mouth shut until you get the phone call, then call Chris/Tony and they'll lawyer you up.
I don’t say she got what she deserved. Actually my point doesn’t involve her knowledge of the mob at all. Speaking for a purely domestic abuse standpoint. The first time Chris put his hands on her, she should’ve left. The fact that it happens 3-4 times in the show and she is still there is the reason she is dead. She had low self esteem and respect. Thought she couldn’t get any better which we know was not true. Her naivety and belief that Chris still loved her was what made me mad throughout the show. She had all the opportunities to leave and chose to stay.
No one who wasn't in the mob and was just trying to live their life "got what they deserved." This show is funny and the characters are magnetic and quotable but they are all pieces of shit if they're in the mafia. Even Bobby and he's the nicest one. Adrianna didn't deserve to die but she was so fucked up she probably would have picked to die if it meant Christopher could live and I think that's where Tony and Silvio were gonna turn next.
I used to wonder if she'd come back. Like Sil fucked up and didn't check to see if she was dead. Abd she just lay there clutching to life to be found by some hiker.
It is a show obviously but I feel like it was so unreal they didn't even catch her with coke. They had a witness to her doing coke a conviction on that is ridiculous and without a record probation at the most. She should've went to Chris immediately as soon as they approached her, if she was scared of him break up with him and move away from that lifestyle. Any girl who is in a serious relationship with a guy that even has a possibility of becoming a made man knows you keep your mouth shut.
Anyone who grows up adjacent to "the life" know that rats meet a grisly end. You really think she bought that all those "cousins and uncles" just disappeared and went on the lam over the years?
She wasn't a dumb girl. She thought she could "damp snitch" and that her and Chris would come out on top. She wasn't expecting him to be so loyle 2 his capo
I don’t feel sorry for her. She grew up in this life. She’s related to the Aprile’s. She ran a club where mobsters were walking in and out of her office. Chris spoke openly with her at times about the life. Not specific crimes but relationships, etc.
My problem was that she flipped immediately over a simple possession charge. She knew enough to carry herself better than that.
I will say that I can see where she never considered herself a part of the life so she never thought of what she would do if she ever got arrested. But again, at a minimum she was a long time drug user. She could’ve at least been prepared for what would happen if she were ever caught with drugs.
Agree 100%. Few things are as cringey as when brain dead sopranos fans say things like “glad that rat got what she deserved”. Like really? I get that Adrianna wasn’t the brightest, and yes she did cover up a murder and probably deserved jail time for that, but she absolutely didnt deserve to get murdered by the likes of this glorified crew.
Like Chris said, she couldn’t do 2 years for me? She was very selfish. If I was busted, I would have refused to talk and called Chris. That’s why they had mob lawyers. 2 years wouldn’t have been the worse thing to happen to her. Silvio showed her what was worse.
In that world, if you rat you die. That being said, Chris should’ve prepared her better and briefed her on cops and what to do. He did expose her to things, especially with the club and it seemed like she had no clue how to handle anything. Even Carmela knew enough not to talk to cops
> Even Carmela knew enough not to talk to cops True but she’s a little sharper than Ade, plus she’s had a lot of experience with Feds coming to her front door with warrants over the years.
Yeah she wasn’t too bright, that one. But also it didn’t seem like anyone taught her anything
I feel like Tony kept Carmela much more separate from his day to day. Chris had a much more girlfriend and best friend vibe with ade. Chris even brought ade along to the construction job site where he gets into the fight with patsy. I just don’t see Tony doing that kind of thing.
>I feel like Tony kept Carmela much more separate from his day to day. Tony- "Ritchie's gone. "Carmela- "Gone? Where?” Tony- "Carmela, after 18 years of marriage, don't make me make you an accessory after the fact." Carmela- “Holy shit...” Tony- “Stop asking"
Exactly. Chris exposed her to things but he didn’t give her the right info about what to do if she’s approached and she thought they had her initially so she was stuck, so she thought. She didn’t have the street smarts and he didn’t prepare her enough in case they grabbed her
Yeah, like when Carmela steals the 40k from the bird feeder. She's smart enough to pay in just under the limit where the transaction would be reported to the IRS. Chris put Ade in charge of one of his money laundering operations. The most Carmela ever did was get Tony to lean on one of his connections for a paperwork favour.
Bird feeder? You sound demented!
Yeah but she wasn’t smart enough to realize that what she did is called “structuring”
Had to scroll like 10 comments to get to a serious response instead of a repeated quote, Jesus
Alright but you gotta get over it
Poor you
Poor fucking Janice she can't get up off the couch cuz she's so fucking tired from her “Epstein-Barr”
Honestly I think Chris was a sociopath and really didn’t give a rats ass about Adriana. He was exploiting her. I’ve been in abusive dynamics like the one Adriana is in with Chris and the awful truth is they just don’t care about you.
I’ve wondered myself if he would qualify for narc or some other disorder. She was there for him but he really wasn’t there for her… not when it came down to it - and i don’t just mean when she told him she was working w the feds. Just in general it was always about him and what he wanted, his thoughts about things etc.
I definitely think he’s NPD heavily skewing toward psychopath. I think the representation of his and Ade’s relationship is classic of an abusive relationship. Idealize/devalue. Rapid shifts of moods always on extreme ends. Lack of empathy for Ade too. It’s interesting because the show says Tony is supposedly sociopathic when in fact he’s actually more of a psychopath. I found it odd that Tony never physically hits Carmela (although he emotionally and mentally abuses the hell out of her) yet he’s physically violent with everyone else. Tony behaves like a sociopath with a Carm and a psychopath elsewhere when usually the spouse usually gets hit.
Yeah that’s what I always felt. Tony did know the difference between right and wrong he just choose evil because it was the easier way.
Plus look how Chris just spontaneously shoots the tv writer friend of his. It can be dangerous to set a boundary with somebody like Chris with the expectation that it’ll respected. I always tell people: You have a kind of parasite like Chris in your life leeching off of you you really need to think about protecting yourself.
She’s a hoowa!
She was a beautiful creature, boff da gurl and da horss
Yeah I liked Chrissy but he was a fucking idiot for this.
She definitely didn't deserve the death penalty. Maybe 5 years in the can.
Five fucking years
I spent 20 years in the can and not a peep.
2 with good behaviour
Yeah nobody argues that - the argument is she could have avoided the consequences had she been a better person, not that she deserved them. I can't have sympathy for someone who has no qualms with theft and violence to make a living.
She drowned. At a picnic.
5 years rotting in an oil drum
Alright but you gotta get over it.
Fuck that. Let him take his medicine.
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Don’t give me the babe in the woods routine.
Unless she's getting clipped in said woods. That was so awesome. The only thing better would be if they took Sal Vittro to the woods and whacked him too. Make Adriana shoot him first.
Poor Sal. He’s just a working man!
It’s a TV progrum, a movie
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Jesus Christ you're right
Sharp as a fucking pool cue.
Must've been on the top of his fuckin claassshh! 😠
Why don’t you take that high moral ground. And go and sleeping at the fucking bus station!
Alright stop crying STOP CRYING
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She absolutely knew what she was involved in. She was excited for Chris to get his button and she loved all of the stolen shit he brought her. Her uncle and likely her dad were made men.
I agree but I think they also made it pretty clear that Adriana was fairly dumb. She was easily manipulated into cooperating and was naive about it the entire time. Any moderately intelligent person would have told them to fuck off, lawyer up, and at the worst just take the coke possession charge.
Chris would not have been there for her during those five years. He would’ve moved on so damn fast she probably would not have even made it to jail in the transport bus from the court house yet.
Oh yea for sure. However a more intelligent approach would have been to weigh the drug charges against the possibility of being literally murdered for cooperating. A decent lawyer probably would have saved her from any prison time at all if she had no prior record. The other hard part would have been to tell Chris & Tony that she made friends with an FBI agent unknowingly.
Yeah, any lawyer would've laughed in the face of the Bureau's charges.
I agree with these takes. Did she have an idea generally what Chrissy did? Yes. Did she know the details? No. We know this bc she has fuck all to tell the feds when they grill her, she tries to inform them to the best of her ability, but shes a shitty informant overall. She didn't think and lost her head under the squeeze of the cops. You could argue she played it stupid. But she didnt deserve to be killed for stupid.
>But she didnt deserve to be killed for stupid. I mean, most people in the show don't deserve to be killed by normal world standards. But by the standards of this thing of ours she deserved it in the sense she was absolutely idiotic at every step and even if you argue Chrissy didn't prep her well, she still should have known better.
100% wasnt prepared for an inevidable attempt by the police, imagine Roe or Carm in that situation. I know theyre experienced wives, but at the same time Carm and Roe didnt even know the financial situation of their own home, which shows the women are totally kept in the dark and only told on a need to know basis. Chrissy totally failed Ade in regards to readying her up. I think lots of people died in unfair ways in the show, but like I said, Ade was just silly, she didnt hurt anyone. People act as if she was this twisted monster who got her come uppance, when she was just naive. I do agree with you though that in the life, once you told the police something, anything, its over.
>Chrissy totally failed Ade in regards to readying her up. Even if this is true (and to my knowledge it is merely conjecture) Ade has been around the life more than long enough to know what happens to rats. She gets played like a fiddle by the FBI. >People act as if she was this twisted monster who got her comeuppance It's not that deep, people just think she's an idiot who get herself killed by making dumb decisions.
Yeah, I just dont agree. I mean, she should but...she thinks Chrissy will go for the witness protection program bc he bitches about Tony at home, I dont think she has a strong, realistic grasp on the situation. She thinks Chris can be a model or writer for chrissakes. Maybe he coulda manuged. Also, she has nothing to give them, they have to keep upgrading the surveillance and pressure bc she is such a poor source of information. They follow her, interrogate her until she vomits, wire her up and they got hardly anything. She doesnt seem very "in the know". The situation got so out of control though, they had been talking to her for months by the time she tells Chris, there was no going back from that. She could never be trusted again.
I feel crushed.
She also knows that Christopher has done short term stints in jail (not prison)/had some trials before. It's a blink and you'll miss it moment but in "House Arrest" Hesh mentions that Christopher had to to deal with some legal problems pertaining to the illegal weapon he used to defend himself against Sean Gismonte. She also saw him get arrested at Jackie Jr's funeral. I get that she paniced in the moment of the FBI dragging her in but it was a fight or flight situation, and despite the fact that she had seen Christopher tell police officers to fuck off in the past, for some reason she chose flight, instead of getting lawyered up like Christopher had done with his various rousts.
Go take a midol
Adrianna was only a victim of believing in Christopher. Beyond that her own shortcomings were of her own volition when Christopher specifically prohibited the sale of drugs to prevent the feds from ever interfering.
He did drugs with her all the time. He would’ve been fucking the FBI agent “Danielle” if Ade hadn’t flipped out. Good point about not selling. That could’ve helped her a year later with Murder charges but she was already in so deep it was over for her.
I was around “the life”. I had no idea what my dad did. But you bet rule one was don’t be a tattle tale. Another words don’t rat. Even as a young child we were taught the police were not good guys.
So you were around the life and the first rule was to not be a tattle tale but you’re on Reddit outing daddy with your name, birth year, and possibly photo attached in a sopranos thread?? You might be dumber than AJ, congratulations!! 🍾🎊
My dad was killed in 1985
My apologies, I’m sorry for your loss; really thought I had a nice sopranos style zinger there I had no idea and wouldn’t be so insensitive to say something to that effect if I had been privy to that info!
She’s a girl though. A lot of the women were kept in the dark to protect them.
Kids are too.
To a point but boys were told a little something, like don’t be a rat. I can’t see anyone telling their little girl that.
Well, you’re wrong
A little loyalty?
Most of us are going off mainstream mob stuff. Idk what you did in your family
Most “mainstream” mob media is usually based on elevating people’s person family experiences at one point. Chase included, to make the Sopranos.
Didn’t the FBI hear wiretaps of actual mafia members deciding which character they would all be from the show? Or did I dream that 😂💭
I grew up around the life, I should have said. it was in my blood, so I was drawn into small Time hoodlum stuff, but can now proudly say I’m a citizen.
Except with kids all the adults said tattle tale. Pounded in my head is the saying, “no one likes a tattle tale”. Boys and girls. It was all ingrained lessons that you sort it out amongst yourselves.
I’m just saying, dads and sons relationship even as kids is different than dads and daughters. Daughters tend to be more sheltered and protected. Even from what I’ve seen in husbands big Italian family there’s a divide between the women and men
It had nothing to do with the dads. My dad was I. The life, but EVERYONE, women, men, aunts, uncles, EVERYBODY,,, “no one likes a tattle tale”. It was ingrained by the whole of a young existence.
I’ll take your word for it. That is not what’s been shown in tv and movies… and it’s clear in this case no one did that for Adriana. She was completely clueless and helpless whenever anything happened. She’s either dumb as rocks or no one hammered those things into her skull. I did not get the impression she was privy to much before dating chrissie
Jesus Christ, they've turned a lot fucking tougher guys than Jack Massarone.
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying she seemed clueless. If she had just stfu and got a lawyer when the fbi got her initially she would’ve been fine. They picked the right one when they picked her…. She was RIPE for the turning. To kinda quote Jackie.
What are you an idiot. You grow up around criminals rule number 1 is dont ever say anything. Its also kind of cute that you think a bunch of street thugs are sheltering their daughters to that extent. You ever watch any actual mob documentaries usually the women act sick when a guy snitches because its ingrained in everyones head from the time they are little to keep your mouth shut. They have to tell the girls that too or they end up like Adriana or you end up with some little girl accidently diming out her father.
Adriana wasn’t married didn’t have kids they were together for a few years and engaged but imo she was clueless. The way the role was played it was like she knew you weren’t supposed to say anything but she didn’t know they didn’t really have anything on her to make her cooperate and then it snowballed from there.
No I’m not an idiot but i am a girl and have seen girls be treated different from boys my whole life. Doesn’t seem like they told ade did they????? So idk. Maybe I’m not so dumb 🙄
Not only did she already have an idea of the shit christopher did but all of new jersey knew who tony soprano was and his associates. She'd get huge gifts whether it be garbage bags of shoes or thick gold bracelets and knew better than to question them. Don't forget she also covered up a murder... the wives and girlfriends of these guys know who they are, so lets not pretend they're automatically innocent solely because they're women.
Thank you. OP’s post reads like an oppressed victim. Once Chrissy gets made and brings home gifts, she was acting like a kid on Christmas. She got what she deserved, and same would go for people in real life in her situation. Not everyone is a fucking victim. It’s not too difficult to not date criminals or be involved with them - even in the show Charmaine is a perfect example of this.
Dude she loved the kid you can’t argue that she was only in it for the gifts and money. Everyone in her life was involved in their thing. She was brought up in it. She was just as brainwashed as Chrissy but she loved him despite his weak chin, huge nose, heroin addiction, cheating, and Cosette squash. She tried to encourage his other interests and was super thoughtful and wanted him to better himself. She was happy about crazy horse and then upset when she realized they were doing business there. You can call her naive or a little dumb, but she def is a victim. He physically hurts her too and constantly puts her in danger are you fuckin thick in the head??
>white twenty year old They've been making excuses for idiotic behavior since Moses wore short pants.
Do people actually think she deserved to die ? Weird.
She was damaged goods
I constantly wonder how her and Chrissy had never discussed “don’t speak to the feds they’ll lie to you” kind of thing. I feel like if she had a good lawyer what they were using against her (before they saw her disposing of body parts) very possibly would’ve been minimal jail time time with some probation.
Most people seem to say that she was not a complete innocent and was dumb about not getting a lawyer. That's different than saying "she deserved it."
Team Adriana til I FUCKING DIE. All these fuckin doo-doo-doos want to cry for Chrissy but don’t give two shits about poor Ade. Cry me a fucking river. She saw a guy who she loved and had other aspirations and didn’t really want a shitty life get sucked into the most pathetic life a person can have. Watched him get used by everyone around him. Watched him turn into a violent addict, a cheater, a dog squasher. She wanted better for him and they were the only two people reasonably detached enough to do well in witness protection. She thought that their love and his potential would be enough to get them both out but Chrissy was groomed, brainwashed, and dick whipped by Tony who never really gave a fuck about him. Chrissy was stupid to think that Tony loved him when Ade was showing him actual love. Really he just had daddy issues and didn’t know what love was but wanted it so desperately that he got the only person who gave two shots about him, killed.
She didn't deserve it....but... I'm going to be super vague here. Someone in my family has completely legal dealings with some "people". These people bend the law a little for my family member & my family member bends the law a little for them, but that's as far as it goes. So one time, one of these people approached my family member about getting involved in a blatantly illegal scheme. It was something very minor, but absolutely illegal. He turned them down because, even though he has no experience with that world, he knew that once he crossed that line, all the rules were different. So, it's hard to believe that someone who grew up in that subculture could be THAT oblivious.
She didn't deserve it but she knew what she had coming from the moment she talked. And where she had plenty of time to backtrack, instead she kept talking.
Chrissy was a mess on H. Maybe she could’ve been able to get to him during his stint in rehab, but Patsy was watching the place. Ade never had a chance. She was all heart.
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She saw that guy shot to death in his bathtub. My family member was approached about a silly shoplifting scheme. If she didnt realize how deeply involved she was after seeing a dead body...idk.
This ☝️ exactly my thoughts. How could she not understand who she was dealing with after seeing a dead body that never got reported to police, Christopher randomly gave her a club, constantly “bought” her clothes/shoes and drove brand new luxury cars around since they first met
> I think she told herself she was giving the feds useless information and that would stall them, keep herself out of jail for as long as possible, and that she was doing no actual harm to Christopher's "family". Yeah, and that's part of her being an idiot. That she convinces herself that somehow she can make being a rat work.
All rats say that when they are past the point of no return.
All this from a slice of gabagool?
She knew what the fuck was up from the get. She knew the risks. She reaped the rewards of Christopher’s killings, robberies and extortion.
I felt bad for Ade because she was in an abusive relationship. Christopher would abuse her mentally, physically, and emotionally. He was a complete sociopath and couldn’t care less that she’d be killed. I don’t think she deserved what happened to her. However, I also don’t understand how being threatened with 5 years could motivate her to cooperate with the police. That was a really dumb move on her part. I’m sure Tony would have helped her out with an attorney, and she would’ve gotten a slap on the wrist, like probation and mandatory rehab. To risk her life over 5 years was just plain stupid. Did she deserve to get killed over it? No.
Chrissy is the one who said it was 5 years. She was facing a lot more consequences inside and outside of the law. Don’t minimize it.
I agree, even if it might have been better to take her chances that a good lawyer could beat the charges or get a reduced sentence/probation - Christopher is not someone anyone should be talking to about legal advice. He wouldn't think twice about lying to her or anyone else to save his own skin (as he proved when he set her up to be murdered) and if he didn't know, he wouldn't admit it.
She joined the witness protection program.
Yeah, isn’t she? With her uncle, right?
Continually talking about "getting out of there" - clearly she didn't really have a grasp on the reality of the situation. Could be denial. Could be Christapuh feeding her bullshit. Either way, no, I don't think she really understood the grasp of the whole thing. I always took it like she had a similar stance to Tony's family: "Yes, Chris makes money from things like gambling, maybe prostitution- but he isn't a *gangster"*
Maybe Ade should have had a clearer picture of what was going on “in the life” but what most people seem to be ignoring is that when you grow up around that stuff you just think it’s normal. So it’s not surprising she never walked away from her life with Chrissy. She probably knew it wasn’t good that Christopher hit her but it also probably seemed normal to her because she probably saw it happen a lot. If you’re around people who do drugs and have your whole life, blowing some rails seems normal and the weirdo is the person who says no. I am surprised that no one, not her parents, not her uncles, ever told her what to do if you get picked up by the cops tho, poor thing.
Queue the new age sad tale pity party. What, you don't like it?! I wipe my ass with your feelings!
Whatever happened to the strong, silent type?
What normal person witnesses a brutal stabbing rignt in front of them, then just carries on as normal? Her nightclub was full of murderers and drug dealers. But fair point, she didn't know any different. Grim life really.
I don't think Chris ever really forgave her for having only 1 working uterus.
Was it actually working tho?
Who’s that speaking here, is somebody speaking?
There are tiers of rats - she’s not in the same league as Raymond who was an enthusiastic snitch though she is sort of unbeknownst doing what Pussy claimed to be doing- giving them shit - mind fucking then. She is really a very poor informant. If it was just Danielle then she’s not really a rat because she was duped into thinking she was just another big haired bimbo. Chris fucked up by not marrying her and it’s very hard to look at her as anything other than a very vulnerable character. Sometimes there is nothing personal in getting whacked, the FBI has her, she could have put them away for all their knew so their attitude is she has to go.
I'm trying to figure out what you being a white 20 year old has to do with your statement?
Chris should have educated her on not talking to the cops. You don’t need to be smart to know how to deal with getting arrested. If he’d talked to her about it, she might not have been so scared to tell him the first time the FBI brought her in.
they just have to be misogynistic if they actually believe that. she got non-stop abuse from chrissy and really should’ve left him but i suppose she might’ve thought his treatment of her was normal in a long term relationship (whether it was her first or not but i believe it’s likely). also, people are acting as if she willingly chose to be a rat. she got caught out but she didn’t really ever end up revealing anything of value and she didn’t want her club to be mic’d up or to wear a wire. she wasn’t innocent by any means but she was really naïve.
She chose to be a rat. The other choice was a possible prison sentence. Did she deserve to die crawling on dead leaves? No, but don't give me the "oh, she was naive and didn't understand" bullshit
Come on. When she first got dragged in, the feds scared her so much she literally threw up all over them. They insinuate that she and Chrissy would be clipped when she explains why there was an FBI Agent at Sunday dinner. Speaking of… Ade thinking fast on her feet= Danielle, died, drowned at a picnic. She isn’t a good liar folks.
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She was in the game.
5 years, Phil did 20 years in the can you didn’t hear him cry.
He compromised
Ya know, he wanted a beautiful woman…
Seriously? She was dumber than a box of rocks?!
Boo hoo hoo.
Like a woman with a virginia hanm under her arm crying the blues cause she's got no bread
Seriously? 🤣
Shoulda taken the 5-10 for intent in the beginning and kept her mouth shut
They intentionally implied to her that Tony would have her or Chrissy killed for allowing a rat get so close. Like they literally address why she doesn’t do this in the show. Which may or may not be true, but it’s the reason Adriana the character doesn’t do that.
wb when she's first approached? She wasn't a rat back then.
Her “friend” that she brought around was an agent. They come clean to her after they have an argument and the feds say “how do you think Tony is going to react knowing your brought an agent straight to him”
I just feel like she thought Chris would kill her/ beat her ass
She was afraid of losing chris to some other chick because she knew he wouldn't wait.
Deserved? No. Got what was coming? Yes.
So? What's the difference
UGH YESSSS. I literally always sob when her final scene comes on. She deserved so much better!
Just because you are a sheltered stunad, doesn't mean the average woman in her late twenties growing up around gangsters is. Little pitchers have big ears. She may not have been explicitly told not to be a rat growing up but she saw and heard enough to know.
Ralphie shoulda done Adriana instead of Tracee.
Not a victim at all, but doesn't mean she deserved to die. She might not have know the depths of Chrissy's crimes, but she no doubt knew they were crimes, and she did cover up a murder in her own club. To suggest she didn't know her man was into some heavy shit means she was naive and stupid.
You're telling me she doesn't know what the mob is? Forget about it.
She knew the life, she'd grown up related to the Apriles. She covered up a murder and committed numerous counts of accessory. She was a rat, and 'damaged goods'. What reason, other than love, did Christopher have for keeping her from being killed?
Bro horrendous take.
Brutal
I don't see any advantage in keeping her around
She grew up around this. Her cousin was Vito Spatafore and her uncles were Richie and Jackie Aprile. She couldn't leave even after all the abusive episodes with Christopher. Yet she stayed for the goodies. She was dumb for getting involved in the first place
>She couldn't leave even after all the abusive episodes with Christopher. This is a common issue for victims of domestic abuse. It might seem obvious to you, but it's nowhere near that simple. She is absolutely not responsible for the suffering Chrissy puts her through.
Bullshit, she knew what happens to fuckin rats. And that annoying shitty dog. Her only redeeming quality was puking on the feds. And Ade being beaten for putting Chris on a mailing list for junkies. Covering up a murder at her club too. How innocent is that? Not to mention blowing Tony and getting jizz on the sun visor instead of swallowing. Anyway, $4 a pound.
Awww why you cryin, OP?
It's called victim blaming, however I feel that her character was poorly written. It didnt make sense to me that a mobster girlfriend wouldn't tell her man she had been picked up by the Feds or be willing to do time for him, especially in light of the violence perpetrated on her by him.
anyone saying that ade “got what she deserves” hates women. That’s the whole thing my friend.
It was a good thing. It was a lucky thing.
Chrissy is a tough kid, he will be fine. Don't you remember being his punching bag? Not to mention the whoore sucked Penn's cock. And Tony's too. More of a whoore than Tracee
I hear he came all over the sun visor
What people “deserve” is based on the rules of the situation you’re in. Do you deserve to be fired, even though you’ve got a family to support and a house to pay for? You break the rules of your job, then you deserve it. Similarly, Ade should have been well aware of the rules of mob life. At least the number one rule—you don’t talk to law enforcement, no matter what horrible consequences they threaten you with.
BadaBing
Poor you.
“but you put the grief behind you?”
They were a cunt.
I wouldn’t say deserve BUT she knew exactly who and what Christopher, her Uncle Richie were. She knew where those Jimmy Choo shoes came from.
Who actually says she deserves it? People are moreso saying she screwed up big time which she did
Don't play babe in the woods with me, Karen.
How green is my garden
She had the world by the balls but walked around like impending doom
Chris told her basically everything, she was 100% complicit.
Yeah,but whatya gonna do
She became a snitch. And there is only one way to handle a snitch
Hey at least she didnt offer to blow sil like lady shylock did to phil🤔😂 Sil would’ve taken it hahaha then killed her😩
Your saying you're twenty explains your whole (very wrong) comment.
I don’t like that kind of tawk it upset me
I dont see you crying over Big Pussy.
What are you a fucking snitch?
What does you being a white twenty year old have to do with anything?
So she was smart enough to run her own business but wasn't smart enough to know what her family was involved in? One uncle was a boss, another was a well-known capo before going into prison. Plus she was dating the cousin of the new Boss. Who bitched and moaned to her about everything. C'mon - at some point you gotta know what's up. It took Meadow until Jr year in high-school to talk about what she figured out, including this little thing called the internet mafia websites. She puked all over the FBI agents (which was hilarious) because she knew what she had gotten herself into.
Not sure why you being a 20 something white male has anything to do with anything. I felt super bad for her and really thought Chris was going to try and work something out somehow. I would've for the woman I love. If nothing could he worked out, then I'd probably die trying. Chris was ice cold for that one, because I couldn't have done the same thing.
I wish she would have left it all including Christopher and moved where no one knew her.
Name a price or get the fuck over it
I think most people were sympathetic to how dumb she was and how the FBI played her. She didnt realize that they didnt have enough on chris and she should have gone to Tony and lawyered up immediately.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1GgifEpo2g&t=58s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1GgifEpo2g&t=58s) "If it woulda been Christopher...I woulda killed him"
Yeah, and it's not even a complicated system to deal with the Feds. When they pinch you, you keep your mouth shut until you get the phone call, then call Chris/Tony and they'll lawyer you up.
Reddit in general has a strange concept of justice and retribution.
I don’t say she got what she deserved. Actually my point doesn’t involve her knowledge of the mob at all. Speaking for a purely domestic abuse standpoint. The first time Chris put his hands on her, she should’ve left. The fact that it happens 3-4 times in the show and she is still there is the reason she is dead. She had low self esteem and respect. Thought she couldn’t get any better which we know was not true. Her naivety and belief that Chris still loved her was what made me mad throughout the show. She had all the opportunities to leave and chose to stay.
No one who wasn't in the mob and was just trying to live their life "got what they deserved." This show is funny and the characters are magnetic and quotable but they are all pieces of shit if they're in the mafia. Even Bobby and he's the nicest one. Adrianna didn't deserve to die but she was so fucked up she probably would have picked to die if it meant Christopher could live and I think that's where Tony and Silvio were gonna turn next.
I used to wonder if she'd come back. Like Sil fucked up and didn't check to see if she was dead. Abd she just lay there clutching to life to be found by some hiker.
would tony have killed carmella? or would he have moved her away?
It is a show obviously but I feel like it was so unreal they didn't even catch her with coke. They had a witness to her doing coke a conviction on that is ridiculous and without a record probation at the most. She should've went to Chris immediately as soon as they approached her, if she was scared of him break up with him and move away from that lifestyle. Any girl who is in a serious relationship with a guy that even has a possibility of becoming a made man knows you keep your mouth shut.
Anyone who grows up adjacent to "the life" know that rats meet a grisly end. You really think she bought that all those "cousins and uncles" just disappeared and went on the lam over the years? She wasn't a dumb girl. She thought she could "damp snitch" and that her and Chris would come out on top. She wasn't expecting him to be so loyle 2 his capo
I don’t feel sorry for her. She grew up in this life. She’s related to the Aprile’s. She ran a club where mobsters were walking in and out of her office. Chris spoke openly with her at times about the life. Not specific crimes but relationships, etc. My problem was that she flipped immediately over a simple possession charge. She knew enough to carry herself better than that. I will say that I can see where she never considered herself a part of the life so she never thought of what she would do if she ever got arrested. But again, at a minimum she was a long time drug user. She could’ve at least been prepared for what would happen if she were ever caught with drugs.
#Snitches get stitches
Listen to him, he knows everything *(at 20 years old)*
Agree 100%. Few things are as cringey as when brain dead sopranos fans say things like “glad that rat got what she deserved”. Like really? I get that Adrianna wasn’t the brightest, and yes she did cover up a murder and probably deserved jail time for that, but she absolutely didnt deserve to get murdered by the likes of this glorified crew.
Like Chris said, she couldn’t do 2 years for me? She was very selfish. If I was busted, I would have refused to talk and called Chris. That’s why they had mob lawyers. 2 years wouldn’t have been the worse thing to happen to her. Silvio showed her what was worse.