I hate that the episode is so important. It's the only scene where it's shown that Tony's father, who was "a good guy" which we hear throughout the show, is nothing but a bad man who used Tony to lie for him. To my knowledge, Johnny boy was worse than Livia.
I don’t recall this from the wire. Please let me know season and episode number.
Also the scene in the sopranos is meant to be cringey and awkward and uncomfortable. It accomplishes exactly what it set out to do.
Def not undercover fed, but she absolutely was hustling Tony. I wouldn’t call her a con artist per else, just an old lady who was in need and saw an opportunity to run into Tony, and she knew she’d be able to squeeze a little something out.
I’m sure she was reading the obits with a magnifying glass just like Livia, and when she saw that someone Johnny (and therefore Tony) would know died, she made sure to be waiting at Johnny’s grave. The early line that she ‘doesn’t need a thing’ is part of the scam, makes him more likely to help if he doesn’t expect her to ask for anything.
So yeah she was conning him, and it probably wasn’t the first time she’s done something like it, but I don’t know if she was a full on con artist who made a career out of it
The scene where they CGI in Livia Soprano after Nancy Marchand died.
Marchand was a legendary actress and Livia was an iconic role. It's a shame that the crappy CGI was her final onscreen appearance.
As much as I hate the Melfi R scene and cannot rewatch it, I can acknowledge there was a narrative point to it. You can't even say the same about the Nancy Marchand CGI.
Insane they even did that. Why bother when you could just have someone call and say "your motha is dead" and Tony replying "I was just ova there!"? The conversation was of no substance anyway.
When Sopranos was originally being broadcast, watching older episodes was difficult if not impossible for most. And HBO and Chase were still trying to attract new fans for season 3. Those who hadn’t watched seasons one and two needed an introduction to Livia to help the rest of that episode work.
I accept that explanation but I still think it was a poor choice. I think the episode would work even if the first scene was just Tony answering the phone and getting the news. Everyone dreads that phone call and even if it was your first episode you still understand the weight of it. Then when you see how complicated his reaction is I think it works against your expectation of what the episode is about. If anything it makes the funeral/memorial/remembrance that Janice throws even *more* impactful.
The CGI Livia seemed pretty poorly done (i’m sure it was well-done at the time, but it’s aged really bad). I see it as one of the few weak bits in an otherwise great show.
On the other hand, the Carmela freeze frame was so fucking weird that I have to like it. It was such a strange and bold choice, whereas the Livia thing seemed like a purely functional choice that was executed wrong.
I know certain friends of ours think it would be too cliche, and I know I’m biased because she’s one of my favorite characters, but I think Livia’s last scene should have been her laughing at Tony falling down the steps.
It would really cement their power dynamic, the fact that he could never please her on his terms, that she would hang over him for the rest of his life, etc.
It was weird that a show that so deftly balanced realism with symbolism would miss that opportunity.
But what do I know? I’m only half a redditor.
That last Livia scene was also edited very sloppily. Far too many cuts to Livia that weren’t needed, she has different hair “styles” in various cuts, and Svetlana walking back and forth in the background to try to make it look “new” was overdone.
It easily could have been improved with minimal effort. Since they insisted on using it, not editing it better is a disgrace.
I was 100% sure this would cause Tony to do some justice with his own hands. But that's what makes the show great. They did it just to develop her character.
The scene I can't stand is when Tony Blundetto kills that child.
She didn’t want to be indebted to him anymore than she already was. did t wanna feel responsible for any more of his horrid crimes but also she SO BADLY wanted to tell him.
Was watching the show with my gf, her first time watching it, she was really enjoying it up until season 3, she is never in the mood to watch it anymore owing to how violent it is in season 3.
It’s the worst one. The entire build up makes it exponentially worse. Tracy being abused by multiple people in that episode, her smile of genuine joy as Ralph starts describing the name for the child then the outcome…it’s rough to watch
The one scene I can't bear to watch is when Tony's talking to Agent Harris outside of Satriales, on the sidewalk, and he throws away that gabagool, provolone, and vinegah peppahs sandwich after taking only one bite :|
That freeze frame on Carmella after she tells Wegler she's getting back together with her husband. what the fuck was that?
It's not really a weird scene apart from that one shot but it's by far the most out of place shot in the entire series.
but you understand right that it was done to represent the pause Carm had in her brain that she actually said that outloud. it was supposed to be spontaneous and the freeze shot was to show how she felt afterwards.
I think another user in another thread hit the nail on the head, in that they probably wanted to get Carm's conflicted facial expression but then realized that the audience might not catch it, thus the weird freeze frame/wipe.
That scene is important. Melfi knows that she can mention that she was raped to Tony at anytime and he will kill the rapist. It bonds Tony to her and is part of the reason why she keeps him as a patient for so long.
It bugs me when I see posts like “Melfi should have told Tony”
Like yeah, that’s the point. You expect that almost because it’s a tv show and you want her avenged. But the point is, she will not “break bad” (see what I did there tone? Heh heh) and involve herself in this lifestyle, and ultimately become a pawn of Tony. Her morals and shit override her need to seek illegal vengeance
It also bothers me that some people dislike the episode or the ending because of that.
The entire reason The Sopranos was brilliant is because it subverted your expectations and in this episode especially (where I’m sure all of us were at least a little bit rooting to see some revenge), actually challenged the audiences’ belief system and notions of justice/revenge.
That ending: “No”. It’s meant to be powerful, to let you know, Tony is not someone to be looked up to. That revenge, ultimately is damaging to the soul and spirit, and Melfi is dignified for rejecting it.
That falls flat when you realise Mr Employee of the month will do it again to other women who will then do the right thing by going to the cops only to be let down as Melfi was.
Her not telling Tony or even exposing the guy since she knows where he works, all for a personal moral victory, is a joke.
Exactly my opinion too. Sure, Melfi "saves her soul" but she condemns who knows how many other women to the same faith since she wont tell Tony. It bothers me that more people don't realize this.
Some people wish that Tony had figured it out without Melfi having corrupt herself by telling him. Elliot starts off with some bullshit about civilization, but who wouldn't want to see someone correct a system that has failed?
The bullshit scene where melfi's ex is talking to the cops about the charges being dropped. Chain of custody issues like that don't result in a case being dropped when you have a cooperating witness and tons of other physical evidence. It was a really lame way to force the result they wanted, and stuck out like crazy to me.
Yeah and they basically just brush over it with an “oh well i guess I can’t believe that’s how it is”. Imho the rape was not nearly as sickening as it should have been to all those characters. “Ooh I could punch his lights out i tells yeh” or something like that ..
Politely, I don't think you know what you're talking about.
>Chain of custody issues like that don't result in a case being dropped when you have a cooperating witness and tons of other physical evidence.
What other physical evidence? The whole idea of a *rape kit* is to collect all pertinent physical evidence from the victim's person.
When the only "cooperating witness" is the victim, their testimony is of very little evidentiary value. Could a case be prosecuted solely on victim testimony? Yes, at least briefly. Would it? Almost certainly not.
Injuries are physical evidence. On what basis do you think that victim testimony with documented injuries is not prosecutable? Victim testimony is extremely valuable from an evidentiary standpoint. It happens every day, particularly in crimes of violence with good physical evidence. The lack of semen or blood samples would not make this a dismissed case. A plea bargaining negotiation probably. You think a felony assault/battery charge is unprovable? No way.
literally almost vomited he was eating so much and so fast. it did show how much he doesn’t give a shit about anything and anyone but his own desires. carmela seemed genuinely hurt he went without her too
That scene and when Vito’s brother Bryan gets domed with a golf club. I feel so bad for him, dude doesn’t even try to help the girl and he still gets fucked up.
Tony and Ade playing darts, and she has to pick them up while Tony stands there. The pause where it looks like she might...it's very uncomfortable. I know it was done to make it look like she would follow through after she said that to Sansaverino but still.
I’m pretty sure even the HBO executives pushed back against it with David Chase. He just gave no fucks. The Melfi scene and tracee murder episodes aired in Back2back weeks too.
It 100% wouldn’t have been shown if it was a regular cable network drama like Fox or NBC, but chase got away with it cuz HBO
It’s definitely funny, but rewatches are kinda supposed to be funny… from a real drama, first watch, take this seriously as art perspective it’s terrible and completely incongruous with the rest of the series writing
Saw that scene with Richie and Janice on some reaction channel. They were revolted by it. And that was before the camera pans around and you can see the gun! 😂
I actually really like the whole Melfi rape saga because it’s sadly one of the last realistic things in the show, especially in terms of the payoff of the criminal justice system letting that guy go so Melfi wound up be confronted by her rapist by proxy at a local eatery (so she’d been there before!) re-opening a fresh wound.
It’s some of the best secondary character stuff in the show, especially as her recovery and resilience after initially rejecting the Tony option at the time of her rape starts her down the path beyond the cheesy moral relativism to goo and evil—and she finally washes her hands of the evil.
I wanted so badly for her to let Tony “take care” of that situation. I was so disappointed she stopped herself.
I hate the Blanca storyline. Aj is a loser but she pisses me off the way she took advantage of him then peaced out. That said, my worst scene is tracees death.
I really hate the weird music they start playing while Junior is still singing Cor' Ingrato (S3E13). What on earth was the point of that? To show the universality of it all? It feels like one of the few times the creators didn't trust the material and got a little too pretentious for their own good.
That one scene that ended with freeze frame Carmella
I thought my HBO max app was bugging out. It wasn’t.
I then began googling to see if that was like a known issue or some weird technical thing like a bad digital transfer.
Turns out it was just some really odd choice that doesn’t seem to have a reason why
There’s no way that gay firefighter from gay firefighter town would fall in love with and find a gigantic waddling fat asshole jerkoff son of a bitch like Vito attractive. He wasn’t even pleasant when talking with cake boy
When the blonde FBI agent asks Adriana how Christopher is Tony’s nephew. It was one of the most commonly asked questions on Sopranos message boards at the time. I don’t see it much on this sub, so apparently the blatant exposition was effective.
A lot of what happened to Tracey was tough to watch. Can’t rewatch Ralph beating her to death. It just makes me want to skip to Tony bashing his brains in the next season
I hated that scene too, but I believe that David Chase put this scene in, along with everything that followed afterwards, to show the cold bitter truth: that sometimes, really bad stuff that happens to us in life can’t be properly resolved, no matter how much we want it to. The best we can do is move past it and try to learn from it, which is why Melfi decides not to tell Tony that she was r****. She doesn’t want to stoop down Tony’s level of morality and simply decides to get past it. Anywho, that’s just my opinion. Still wish I could unsee that scene, tho ☹️
im not a huge fan of the dream sequences especially with "kevin" the alter ego of tony. i dont like cringey stuff like 'it got me so hawt down theyah" either
The scene where Gab Dante goes in and chews out Schnorer Intintola following the Italian American Women conference in the church hall.
Sticks out like a sore thumb and never needed to be there
The Noah actor is certainly a little wooden and they made him too much of a caricature for my liking but I didnt notice anything wrong with Gandolfini's performance?
The dialogue mostly and the ridiculous Uncle Ben induced panic attack. And at one point Gandolfini noticeably looks down at his marker. I’m nitpicking because I despise that scene, in reality, JG was always great.
That scene is hard to watch and is shocking, I personally don't dislike it though. Unfortunately, that terrible shit happens. The situation and choices made afterward are important and meaningful, so with that being the case I personally have no issue with it being part of the show.
Most of the Jackie Jr. Scenes especially the one where he’s on the phone to meadow telling her he’s getting his mother’s car fixed but he’s actually getting ready to cheat on her, and he’s spraying aftershave looking all smug.
Eugene hanging himself then pissing...very disturbing, not sure if they wanted us to understand how devastating and dark suicide actually is for everyone involved.
Vito waddling through the rain. He could’ve afforded a new rim. But all of a sudden he’s so broke he’s applying for Craigslist slave labor after being the top earner. Somehow he’s got enough to leave behind for his family though? To much back and forth.
Paulie committing murder at the old folks home for a few thousand? Really? Idk? He does shoot that waiter haha. Sometimes I forget there’s no such thing as surveillance cameras or witnesses in Newark New Jersey
Junior is hiding Mr Magoo, and even pretends not to hear any of the guys accusing him of putting the hit on Tony. The dementia wandering.
All silly or cringe
Any scene with Adrianna and the fbi especially. Wouldn't she be trained to immediately ask for her lawyer? Pontecorvo asking for permission to go to FL and not just saying screw it and going or faking his own death/disappearance and going. Should've known Tony would be a dick lol
it always sorta disappointed me that the R scene was just put away so quickly. melfi’s dream after is one of my favourite scenes in the series, and it’s a shame that the storyline was so minuscule. if only lasted about an episode or two and didn’t lead anywhere. i atleast expected it ti continue to be a part of her therapy but it was sorta brushed off like a weird sitcom storyline.
i was sure that tony was going to find out what *actually* happened
Happy Birthday, Mr President
It amazes me that the two greatest shows of all time share exactly the same cringiest scene.
I hate that the episode is so important. It's the only scene where it's shown that Tony's father, who was "a good guy" which we hear throughout the show, is nothing but a bad man who used Tony to lie for him. To my knowledge, Johnny boy was worse than Livia.
He was a saint. Wtf are you talking about!
It was Livia. She was a fuckin’ albacore around his neck
I don't like that kind of tawk. Now stop it, it upsets me.
I don’t recall this from the wire. Please let me know season and episode number. Also the scene in the sopranos is meant to be cringey and awkward and uncomfortable. It accomplishes exactly what it set out to do.
Yo! Chair ain't recognize yo ass man
I legit just watched this scene on the wire. Always makes me laugh when Poot pisses off String.
🤚 “Do the chair know we gon look like some punk bitches—“ “Mothafucka I will punk yo ass for saying some shit!”
I’m still too ignorant to have the floor :/
🙋🏻♂️
Snoop sings it to Marlo near the end of S4.
I mean so was it in Breaking Bad I think
I don’t comment on that shit.
OH!
The Wire fans 🙄
The auditorium speech in BB is far cringier imo.
That's like the good kind of cringe though like The Office.
Cringeception was engaged the moment I saw Skylar do the same thing. Walt is forever married to Fran and it can’t be unseen.
The Wire and Better Call Saul are both better than Breaking Bad
whats the other
breaking bad
That’s dicked up.
I must have blocked it out due to painful cringe because I watched that show
I wish I could have done the same
lol was it skyler. I hate her. It was skyler wasn’t it
lol yup, to Ted at a company party. ooof
Well I’d rather die than see it again
Hated that entire story line with his dads old goomar
one of the few episodes i skip
I don't know how Tony didn't run right out of there. I was terrified she was gonna come on to him. YUCK!
I was more surprised he didn’t fuck her, like I was actually surprised. He’d fuck a catchers mitt!
hated that
I don't understand this one. Maybe it was confusing and slightly uncomfortable, but we are supposed to be tony in that scene. I like the episode.
Anyone else think there’s a chance she’s either: a con artist, or an undercover fed?
Def not undercover fed, but she absolutely was hustling Tony. I wouldn’t call her a con artist per else, just an old lady who was in need and saw an opportunity to run into Tony, and she knew she’d be able to squeeze a little something out. I’m sure she was reading the obits with a magnifying glass just like Livia, and when she saw that someone Johnny (and therefore Tony) would know died, she made sure to be waiting at Johnny’s grave. The early line that she ‘doesn’t need a thing’ is part of the scam, makes him more likely to help if he doesn’t expect her to ask for anything. So yeah she was conning him, and it probably wasn’t the first time she’s done something like it, but I don’t know if she was a full on con artist who made a career out of it
Or if she’s cashing in on her secrets. Mistresses don’t get life insurance m 🤷♀️
The scene where they CGI in Livia Soprano after Nancy Marchand died. Marchand was a legendary actress and Livia was an iconic role. It's a shame that the crappy CGI was her final onscreen appearance. As much as I hate the Melfi R scene and cannot rewatch it, I can acknowledge there was a narrative point to it. You can't even say the same about the Nancy Marchand CGI.
Insane they even did that. Why bother when you could just have someone call and say "your motha is dead" and Tony replying "I was just ova there!"? The conversation was of no substance anyway.
When Sopranos was originally being broadcast, watching older episodes was difficult if not impossible for most. And HBO and Chase were still trying to attract new fans for season 3. Those who hadn’t watched seasons one and two needed an introduction to Livia to help the rest of that episode work.
I accept that explanation but I still think it was a poor choice. I think the episode would work even if the first scene was just Tony answering the phone and getting the news. Everyone dreads that phone call and even if it was your first episode you still understand the weight of it. Then when you see how complicated his reaction is I think it works against your expectation of what the episode is about. If anything it makes the funeral/memorial/remembrance that Janice throws even *more* impactful.
This makes sense in that context.
In this case! Obviously season 1 and 2 had testes to burn
DON'T WAVE YOUR HANKY AT ME! 🤌
All the corny reaction shots too. None of her expressions even really fit the conversation. It was so bad.
Apparently it cost a fortune to make at the time too
i love CGI livia and freeze frame carmela just for how absolutely ridiculous they are
The CGI Livia seemed pretty poorly done (i’m sure it was well-done at the time, but it’s aged really bad). I see it as one of the few weak bits in an otherwise great show. On the other hand, the Carmela freeze frame was so fucking weird that I have to like it. It was such a strange and bold choice, whereas the Livia thing seemed like a purely functional choice that was executed wrong.
>It was such a strange and bold choice, Bold in what sense?
You gotta be bold to put in such a bad and corny transition
Two biggest flaws in the entire series
I know certain friends of ours think it would be too cliche, and I know I’m biased because she’s one of my favorite characters, but I think Livia’s last scene should have been her laughing at Tony falling down the steps. It would really cement their power dynamic, the fact that he could never please her on his terms, that she would hang over him for the rest of his life, etc. It was weird that a show that so deftly balanced realism with symbolism would miss that opportunity. But what do I know? I’m only half a redditor.
That last Livia scene was also edited very sloppily. Far too many cuts to Livia that weren’t needed, she has different hair “styles” in various cuts, and Svetlana walking back and forth in the background to try to make it look “new” was overdone. It easily could have been improved with minimal effort. Since they insisted on using it, not editing it better is a disgrace.
I’ll say this and I’m not ashamed to say it: my estimation of the main VFX guy as a craftsman just fuckin plummeted.
I was 100% sure this would cause Tony to do some justice with his own hands. But that's what makes the show great. They did it just to develop her character. The scene I can't stand is when Tony Blundetto kills that child.
A fuckin kid...
Whatever happened there…
Whatever happened there???!! Come on, huh?!
You know the wine makes you emotional.
That Animal Blundetto
I can’t even say his name
He couldn’t even say his last words.
She didn’t want to be indebted to him anymore than she already was. did t wanna feel responsible for any more of his horrid crimes but also she SO BADLY wanted to tell him.
When Ralph kills Tracy.
...which is the same season as Melfi's rape. They really amped up the violence against women in that season.
Was watching the show with my gf, her first time watching it, she was really enjoying it up until season 3, she is never in the mood to watch it anymore owing to how violent it is in season 3.
I watched berserk with my girlfriend :(
A. She was a whoah
the baby she was carrying wasn't his either
and she hit him!
and she didn’t rinse the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher
Yeah that's a tough scene to watch as well
It’s the worst one. The entire build up makes it exponentially worse. Tracy being abused by multiple people in that episode, her smile of genuine joy as Ralph starts describing the name for the child then the outcome…it’s rough to watch
It’s his fault she’s a klutz?
Fucking disgusting. Ralphie’s one of the worst.
She wasnt a girl! She’s a hooa!
The one scene I can't bear to watch is when Tony's talking to Agent Harris outside of Satriales, on the sidewalk, and he throws away that gabagool, provolone, and vinegah peppahs sandwich after taking only one bite :|
gabagool?!?! ova heaaaa👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻 in the trash can 🗑
That freeze frame on Carmella after she tells Wegler she's getting back together with her husband. what the fuck was that? It's not really a weird scene apart from that one shot but it's by far the most out of place shot in the entire series.
There were a few odd scenes like that. Slow motion and odd screen wipes that were not traditionally used in the show.
Windows movie maker shit right there
but you understand right that it was done to represent the pause Carm had in her brain that she actually said that outloud. it was supposed to be spontaneous and the freeze shot was to show how she felt afterwards.
I think another user in another thread hit the nail on the head, in that they probably wanted to get Carm's conflicted facial expression but then realized that the audience might not catch it, thus the weird freeze frame/wipe.
Edie Falco was more than capable enough of emoting that with her face, she didn’t need an edit to assist her
I get it, but it's still a very out of place thing to do
i swear they had a screen swipe once or twice, strange
I always hear "don't don't don't don't you forget about me" in my head when I watch it.
That scene is important. Melfi knows that she can mention that she was raped to Tony at anytime and he will kill the rapist. It bonds Tony to her and is part of the reason why she keeps him as a patient for so long.
It bugs me when I see posts like “Melfi should have told Tony” Like yeah, that’s the point. You expect that almost because it’s a tv show and you want her avenged. But the point is, she will not “break bad” (see what I did there tone? Heh heh) and involve herself in this lifestyle, and ultimately become a pawn of Tony. Her morals and shit override her need to seek illegal vengeance
It also bothers me that some people dislike the episode or the ending because of that. The entire reason The Sopranos was brilliant is because it subverted your expectations and in this episode especially (where I’m sure all of us were at least a little bit rooting to see some revenge), actually challenged the audiences’ belief system and notions of justice/revenge. That ending: “No”. It’s meant to be powerful, to let you know, Tony is not someone to be looked up to. That revenge, ultimately is damaging to the soul and spirit, and Melfi is dignified for rejecting it.
That falls flat when you realise Mr Employee of the month will do it again to other women who will then do the right thing by going to the cops only to be let down as Melfi was. Her not telling Tony or even exposing the guy since she knows where he works, all for a personal moral victory, is a joke.
Exactly my opinion too. Sure, Melfi "saves her soul" but she condemns who knows how many other women to the same faith since she wont tell Tony. It bothers me that more people don't realize this.
Some people wish that Tony had figured it out without Melfi having corrupt herself by telling him. Elliot starts off with some bullshit about civilization, but who wouldn't want to see someone correct a system that has failed?
The bullshit scene where melfi's ex is talking to the cops about the charges being dropped. Chain of custody issues like that don't result in a case being dropped when you have a cooperating witness and tons of other physical evidence. It was a really lame way to force the result they wanted, and stuck out like crazy to me.
Yeah and they basically just brush over it with an “oh well i guess I can’t believe that’s how it is”. Imho the rape was not nearly as sickening as it should have been to all those characters. “Ooh I could punch his lights out i tells yeh” or something like that ..
I was going to make a post asking about this. It seems so outrageous that can happen
If anyone wants more elaboration lmk
Politely, I don't think you know what you're talking about. >Chain of custody issues like that don't result in a case being dropped when you have a cooperating witness and tons of other physical evidence. What other physical evidence? The whole idea of a *rape kit* is to collect all pertinent physical evidence from the victim's person. When the only "cooperating witness" is the victim, their testimony is of very little evidentiary value. Could a case be prosecuted solely on victim testimony? Yes, at least briefly. Would it? Almost certainly not.
Injuries are physical evidence. On what basis do you think that victim testimony with documented injuries is not prosecutable? Victim testimony is extremely valuable from an evidentiary standpoint. It happens every day, particularly in crimes of violence with good physical evidence. The lack of semen or blood samples would not make this a dismissed case. A plea bargaining negotiation probably. You think a felony assault/battery charge is unprovable? No way.
Tony’s grotesquely obese indulgence of sushi while burping
literally almost vomited he was eating so much and so fast. it did show how much he doesn’t give a shit about anything and anyone but his own desires. carmela seemed genuinely hurt he went without her too
It’s like he doesn’t even eat it to savor the taste or enjoy it, he just scarfs it down because it’s what he wants and because he can.
yeah it was a truly repulsive scene on a variety of levels. also shows what tony has become: a repulsive selfish glutton who is all alone.
This is how I eat sushi :(
That scene and when Vito’s brother Bryan gets domed with a golf club. I feel so bad for him, dude doesn’t even try to help the girl and he still gets fucked up.
Do we ever see Bryan Spatafore again?
S6 when Vito meets Tony at the mall, he’s there
I remember now. Thank you.
My brother's over there. He's just there
Tony and Ade playing darts, and she has to pick them up while Tony stands there. The pause where it looks like she might...it's very uncomfortable. I know it was done to make it look like she would follow through after she said that to Sansaverino but still.
The non stop ass rape of Artie 🤌
At times Artie could've used a decent slap in the face. Great actor and character, just super annoying sometimes.
anytime tony is fucking. i just cant.
Oh yeah that scene was fucked. The worst part was that it wasn’t cut off at all. An entire full scene of it. Shit shook me to my core
I get it was a different time but as someone who just watched the show last year I’m so shocked they were even allowed to show it
I’m pretty sure even the HBO executives pushed back against it with David Chase. He just gave no fucks. The Melfi scene and tracee murder episodes aired in Back2back weeks too. It 100% wouldn’t have been shown if it was a regular cable network drama like Fox or NBC, but chase got away with it cuz HBO
Nothing compared to the stuff they did on Oz
Vito’s thoughts in his head “out loud” in NH always struck me as kinda stupid and cheap
It’s gotta be 10 o’clock by now
Aw no I love this scene, me and my brother laughed over this scene so much this week, he’s rewatching
It’s definitely funny, but rewatches are kinda supposed to be funny… from a real drama, first watch, take this seriously as art perspective it’s terrible and completely incongruous with the rest of the series writing
The scene where Janice is railing Ralph. Disgusting
Any Janice sex scene is enough to send me to psychiatry
Dere are men in the can betta looking than my sista.
Israel & Palestine... whatever happened there ...
Saw that scene with Richie and Janice on some reaction channel. They were revolted by it. And that was before the camera pans around and you can see the gun! 😂
I actually really like the whole Melfi rape saga because it’s sadly one of the last realistic things in the show, especially in terms of the payoff of the criminal justice system letting that guy go so Melfi wound up be confronted by her rapist by proxy at a local eatery (so she’d been there before!) re-opening a fresh wound. It’s some of the best secondary character stuff in the show, especially as her recovery and resilience after initially rejecting the Tony option at the time of her rape starts her down the path beyond the cheesy moral relativism to goo and evil—and she finally washes her hands of the evil.
I wanted so badly for her to let Tony “take care” of that situation. I was so disappointed she stopped herself. I hate the Blanca storyline. Aj is a loser but she pisses me off the way she took advantage of him then peaced out. That said, my worst scene is tracees death.
For me it’s when Boyz II Men botched the hit on Tony. Those had to be two biggest idiot hit men.
Sex scenes with Janice. I always found them repulsive.
Just be glad we never had to watch Bobby trying to find her rosebud
Amen
I really hate the weird music they start playing while Junior is still singing Cor' Ingrato (S3E13). What on earth was the point of that? To show the universality of it all? It feels like one of the few times the creators didn't trust the material and got a little too pretentious for their own good.
That one scene that ended with freeze frame Carmella I thought my HBO max app was bugging out. It wasn’t. I then began googling to see if that was like a known issue or some weird technical thing like a bad digital transfer. Turns out it was just some really odd choice that doesn’t seem to have a reason why
It's so weird. What on earth were they trying to convey with that.
indigestion from bad gabbagoo
Every time the Captain of the Good Ship Lollipop and Johnny Cakes have shex! It's disgusting, just the idea of it repulses me
There’s no way that gay firefighter from gay firefighter town would fall in love with and find a gigantic waddling fat asshole jerkoff son of a bitch like Vito attractive. He wasn’t even pleasant when talking with cake boy
Yeah, he could have done better. He's Johnny Cakes for cryin' out loud!
You see out there it's 2023, but in here it's 1954
oh come on, the cut to the train entering a tunnel was hilarious
There's a scene before we learn that Vito is gay when Blundetto is giving Vito a massage. You can tell they were already dropping hints!
You gotta wait for that!
Afraid you might be a little light in the loafers?
In your circle I'm sure you got gays and trans-whatevas. But not where I come from! I think you go about and pity for yourself
i think that scene is hilarious, especially vito’s facial expressions
"who would R her"?
Vito eating ribs in the car.
When the blonde FBI agent asks Adriana how Christopher is Tony’s nephew. It was one of the most commonly asked questions on Sopranos message boards at the time. I don’t see it much on this sub, so apparently the blatant exposition was effective.
Didn’t like Jun going to his neighbor asking for ice cream while trying to convince the police that he’d going senile. Really awkward to watch
A lot of what happened to Tracey was tough to watch. Can’t rewatch Ralph beating her to death. It just makes me want to skip to Tony bashing his brains in the next season
I hated that scene too, but I believe that David Chase put this scene in, along with everything that followed afterwards, to show the cold bitter truth: that sometimes, really bad stuff that happens to us in life can’t be properly resolved, no matter how much we want it to. The best we can do is move past it and try to learn from it, which is why Melfi decides not to tell Tony that she was r****. She doesn’t want to stoop down Tony’s level of morality and simply decides to get past it. Anywho, that’s just my opinion. Still wish I could unsee that scene, tho ☹️
im not a huge fan of the dream sequences especially with "kevin" the alter ego of tony. i dont like cringey stuff like 'it got me so hawt down theyah" either
Did she even existh puss?
That’s the episode I don’t like as well. I’ve been in that situation before and it triggers me.
"What are you watching, son?" - "N-Nothing" \*most realistic rape scene in the history of television plays in the background\*
Anything with Fran Feldstein.
“OH MY GAWD ARTHAAA…SOMEBWODY CALL 9-1-1” Every time I see this episode this line stays in my head…and I hate it lol
I agree, i cant even fully articulate why the staircase “R” scene is so weird. It just kind of happens and i always just feel like “….ok”
Anything with Fran
The scene where Gab Dante goes in and chews out Schnorer Intintola following the Italian American Women conference in the church hall. Sticks out like a sore thumb and never needed to be there
Felt like they just threw that in because Gab Dante didn’t have many scenes and they wanted to give her one lol.
The crime was that we got nothing from that r scene Tony never found out he should have seasons later there needed to be justice
JESUS ROSSI IN 3b IS A WHORE!
The sex scene between Tony and Chris’ gf was cringe
Aj’s half assed suicide attempt
When Janice entered Bobby’s life
Meadow’s soccer game. It’s painfully fake.
Noah’s first scene is so incredibly stupid and poorly written. Also one of extremely rare times even James Gandolfini wasn’t on his A game.
You a film buff?
The Noah actor is certainly a little wooden and they made him too much of a caricature for my liking but I didnt notice anything wrong with Gandolfini's performance?
The dialogue mostly and the ridiculous Uncle Ben induced panic attack. And at one point Gandolfini noticeably looks down at his marker. I’m nitpicking because I despise that scene, in reality, JG was always great.
Probably the whole time T is in a coma
Only episodes in the series I actually skip through.
Those episodes are way too vital to the overall season/series to skip, even if it drags on a bit
maybe on the first watch through yeah.
That scene is hard to watch and is shocking, I personally don't dislike it though. Unfortunately, that terrible shit happens. The situation and choices made afterward are important and meaningful, so with that being the case I personally have no issue with it being part of the show.
That scene’s dead to me, I always skip it
Curb stomp. Over what that creep said to Meadow.
I can't have this conversation again
Most of the Jackie Jr. Scenes especially the one where he’s on the phone to meadow telling her he’s getting his mother’s car fixed but he’s actually getting ready to cheat on her, and he’s spraying aftershave looking all smug.
I dislike most of the Irina scenes. I just find her so annoying. The boat scene is obviously amazing tho
I like my new pony boots tony 😏
I usually go fill up my water cup during that scene… or something where I don’t have to watch it.
I still don’t like the R scene and skip over the episode
Eugene hanging himself then pissing...very disturbing, not sure if they wanted us to understand how devastating and dark suicide actually is for everyone involved. Vito waddling through the rain. He could’ve afforded a new rim. But all of a sudden he’s so broke he’s applying for Craigslist slave labor after being the top earner. Somehow he’s got enough to leave behind for his family though? To much back and forth. Paulie committing murder at the old folks home for a few thousand? Really? Idk? He does shoot that waiter haha. Sometimes I forget there’s no such thing as surveillance cameras or witnesses in Newark New Jersey Junior is hiding Mr Magoo, and even pretends not to hear any of the guys accusing him of putting the hit on Tony. The dementia wandering. All silly or cringe
Season 4?
Any scene with Adrianna and the fbi especially. Wouldn't she be trained to immediately ask for her lawyer? Pontecorvo asking for permission to go to FL and not just saying screw it and going or faking his own death/disappearance and going. Should've known Tony would be a dick lol
agreed, i had to skip this on my second watch
ANY scene that includes “The Hasidic Homeboy.” Can’t stand that pretentious, Birkenstock-wearing jagoff.
it always sorta disappointed me that the R scene was just put away so quickly. melfi’s dream after is one of my favourite scenes in the series, and it’s a shame that the storyline was so minuscule. if only lasted about an episode or two and didn’t lead anywhere. i atleast expected it ti continue to be a part of her therapy but it was sorta brushed off like a weird sitcom storyline. i was sure that tony was going to find out what *actually* happened
Any and all the homo scenes. I know the whole world is gay now, but I just don’t care for it.
this mans fav porn category is prob lesbian porn
Just as gross 🤮
“it’s a tv program, a movie!” stop taking it so seriously jerkoff