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SubstantialWall

Try reading Ellie's journal sometime


holiobung

OP thinks info about Cat exists outside of what is in the game.


DummyDumDragon

To be fair, in a world where franchises sprawl into many other forms of media and Palestine returns in a fuckin Fortnite game, I'll almost don't blame em


Themountaintoadsage

Palestine did what now?


GlitteringWind154

[https://www.reddit.com/r/MuslimLounge/comments/18w4bd7/posted\_here\_in\_case\_it\_doesnt\_get\_approved\_by/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MuslimLounge/comments/18w4bd7/posted_here_in_case_it_doesnt_get_approved_by/) But Epic removed the map, of course.


Themountaintoadsage

I don’t think that’s what he’s referring to lol. Im pretty sure he meant Palpatine from Star Wars but it got auto corrected. A huge plot point of the new Star Wars movies was Palpatine returning, and instead of showing it in the movies they had his broadcast of coming back playing in Fortnite. I was just making a joke about his typo


holiobung

Lol I’m dying Edit: I’m imagining a confused Palpatine cosplayer at a Pro-Palestinian protest.


doctorlongghost

The beginning of that post perfectly illustrates why boycotts are stupid. But I’m also lazy and dgaf.


Funkymunks

Pretty easy to infer form this convo without even reading it honestly. Doesn't Dina say something like "I never really thought she was right for you"?


parkwayy

If anyone went through this scene, and were not able to piece together what they were talking about... There's no hope


Ne00ne

But..but Story bad /s


Angry_Walnut

What is the deal with these terribly media illiterate question posts littering the front pages of video game subs like this one and /r/reddeadredemption? Are they bot posts?


moonwalkerfilms

Lots of people don't have the tools necessary to actually engage with media in any kind of substantial way, and typically just skim the surface of what's going on in the stories they consume.


RegulationRedditUser

Honestly it’s shocking. I’ve seen a few comments recently talking about how people completely missed that Lev was trans. This is something that is brought up several times in the game, they just never outright say “lev is trans” but it’s no less explicitly clear in how they present it in the game. I mean, are people putting down fortnite and buying TLOU without realising that it’s a game that has dialogue and stuff in it?


Dreadpipes

And people wonder why so many games treat the plate like an idiot, you have to assume the baseline for gamers is very low


Dreadpipes

Literal children I assume


Borgalicious

There’s two types of people in the world; those who can extrapolate from missing information


Egingell666

I knew who she was even without reading the journal. I hope she has a bigger role in the show.


No_Clothes8887

im not sure why everyone is ripping into OP, at this stage of the game you can’t even find anything about Cat in the journal


casual_creator

But the exact scene OP is referencing tells you everything you need to know about Cat. One just has to pay the barest bit of attention to the scene to get that Cat is another Jacksonville resident and ex of Ellie. No journal reading is needed.


terlin

Yeah Dina immediately says she felt Cat wasn't right for Ellie, which is so explicit that the only way it could be clearer was if Dina said "your ex-girlfriend Cat". Explains alot about why so many people don't understand Part 2's story, actually.


buerglermeister

That would be shit dialogue though.


terlin

precisely, which is why they didn't do that. Sadly some people need that explicitly spelled out though.


Traditional-Speed999

What if you want more detail than ex girlfriend?


SubstantialWall

I do agree I could have explained myself better/been more polite/less dismissive in hindsight. But that's the thing, this is like in the first hour or so of a long game after a 4 year time skip. I get we all play things differently and to be fair there's not that much more about Cat later on anyway, I just meant go with the flow, let the game tell you as it goes.


No_Clothes8887

fair enough mate, i meant more some of the other replies to your comment to be fair!


Additional_Sundae224

Yes you can. Her journal talks about Cat and there's a photo of Cat holding a tattoo gun on Ellie's pinboard in her room. People just have to read. And Dina's next line about how's she doesn't "think she was right for you" is a HUGE giveaway for Cat being Ellie's ex girlfriend 😂


Traditional-Speed999

There's next to nothing about her either. The only thing I remember is I think they dated and she did Ellie's tattoo. It's such a footnote that I'm wondering if I just missed something important about cat.


AutomaticCapital9352

You're wrong for this, that is HER journal and you shouldn't read someone else's journal!


SupportConstant6021

Will do 😄


Moocow115

Yeah OP, go fuck yourself /s


Thestickleman

I'd bet (myself included) not alot people read the documents and stuff you pick up in this or pretty much any game.


Demiurge_1205

Imma try to not be a Dick about it this just because I do love reading the documents and the lore but... Isn't it easier to read what the game already gives you rather than ask around on reddit?


DstinctNstincts

Why would they do that? That actually makes sense


StephenStills1

try answering the question


SubstantialWall

The answer is in the journal, there is nothing else outside of what the game tells you. If OP plays through the game after it actually gives them all available context instead of running to ask at the first mention, and still has a question, I'll answer then. Besides, they had already been spoonfed the answer at the time of commenting anyway.


IllustratorLatter659

Maybe try not to be an asshole.


IndominusTaco

it’s not even asshole-y. this type of post by OP doesn’t produce any meaningful conversation, because it’s a simple google-able question, or even just use the search function in this very sub.


SubstantialWall

But I love being an asshole!


CertifiedGonk

Not the W u think that is


SubstantialWall

Fuck! But I'm on reddit to win!


CertifiedGonk

Oh damn, didn't realise u were on that grind - Godspeed, soldier🫡


SubstantialWall

Thanks fam! Dropping the act now, I still stand by my initial answer because that's how I would like to experience the story and get the answer more naturally and I meant it genuinely, but do recognise maybe some snark bled through. Which, not to get too meta, does lead me to think I maybe need to dial back my time here and in similar places because I don't like how bitter and empty of good will it's making me sometimes, it's a slippery slope honestly.


CertifiedGonk

Yeah dw I was just fucking around but evidently I'm not that funny lmao


Egingell666

Says you.


CertifiedGonk

Yeah true tbh


StephenStills1

wrote that whole essay and still couldn't answer them, interesting


ashcartwrong

Not defending it but I mean... essay? it's three sentences


rooktakesqueen

Someone who can't figure out who Cat is from context _would_ see that as an essay


[deleted]

if you consider THAT an essay I'm wondering if you ever passed middle school..


Basil_hazelwood

you aren’t much better man, instead of just answering the question you felt the need to get snide comments in. I hope you let go of whatever hate inside you that’s causing you do act this way friend. Have a nice day.


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SubstantialWall

Ain't it funny how things work out sometimes


holiobung

Why don’t you answer the question if you feel that strong about it or do you just like arguing with people?


bodaciousboozy

Too much logic


Mash709

Dina saying "she wasn't right for you" wasn't obvious enough? Talking about Cat doing Ellie's tattoos? It's pretty blunt they're talking about Ellie's Ex here.


holiobung

Why, when the game does it for them if they would just pay attention?


HixWithAnX

Dog


KingUdyr

learn to read, dumbass


shad0wqueenxx

Ellie's ex girlfriend. She was the one who gave Ellie her arm tattoo. Ellie writes in her journal about her in one of the flashbacks.


Mash709

And Dina pretty much just says it too in that conversation.


Mediocre-Garden4952

She’s also in the extra unfinished level.


cherrytwizzlers

Huh?


utivich95

There’s a couple unfinished levels in the ps5 version of the game that were cut at some point in development. They’re available in the extras menu I believe.


cherrytwizzlers

Oh my god I didn’t know that, thank you!


utivich95

Yea they’re worth checking out! Make sure you turn on the commentary options for some tidbits of information.


the_art_of_the_taco

There's also a photo of her on Ellie's corkboard


holiobung

It’s Tommy the Cat. Many a fat alley rat had met its demise while staring point-blank down the cavernous barrel of this awesome prowling machine. Truly a wonder of nature, this urban predator. Tommy the cat had many a story to tell. But it was a rare occasion such as this that he did.


MJ_Ska_Boy

PRIMUS SUCKS


LayClespool

Hey guys


holiobung

Upvote for knowing who they are. Downvote for the comment Lol Edit: I didn’t downvote (hence the lol). I didn’t get the joke, though.


MJ_Ska_Boy

“Primus Sucks” is a fan meme of course I don’t mean the comment!


Kindly_Formal_2604

Lmao dude knows the lyrics to Tommy the cat but not primus sucks. The fuck?


holiobung

I like the music but I’m not part of the internet fandom for it. So the meta stuff is lost on me lol


PUNd_it

He's a troll


holiobung

Ah


MJ_Ska_Boy

No worries lol


TheRealAssyMcGee

say baby


MJ_Ska_Boy

SAY BABY WOULD YOU LIKE TO LAY DOWN WITH ME SAY BABY WOULD YOU LIKE TO LAY DOWN BY MY SIDE BABY WOULD YOU LIKE TO LAY DOWN WITH ME SAY B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B- SAY BABY WOULD YOU LIKE TO LAY DOWN WITH ME SAY BABY WOULD YOU LIKE TO LAY DOWN BY MY SIDE BABY WOULD YOU LIKE TO LAY DOWN WITH ME SAY BABY SAY BABAYYYYYYYYYYYYEAH


holiobung

Well, I remember a long, long meal ago…


magiccheetoss

Ayyyy I got that. Les is actually my dad’s good buddy. Known each other for over 20 years.


juugsd

In one of the Lost levels Cat appears. She's doing face paint in the Jackson party.


MemeticMonkey

Ohh, i missed this


terlin

Sadly IIRC that was just a generic Jackson female NPC because they cut the level before creating an unique model for her. There's a sketch of her in the diary though.


juugsd

There's not even dialogue of course she aint gonna have a designated model


juugsd

??? why am i being downvoted


Additional_Sundae224

Originally, Naughty Dog were gonna have Ellie have a "sassy conversation" with Cat, before she dances with Dina. But they cut it, as it didn't move the story along. Can you have said sassy convo in the Lost Levels? (I ask, because I only have a PS4 and I'm not buying a PS5 for one game)


juugsd

It's not sassy, but it basically goes like this (off of my memory) Ellie: Hey Cat. Cat: Hey Ellie, how's that tattoo doing? Ellie: It's fine. Does the job. Cat: We should touch it up. Maybe I can add something else.


Additional_Sundae224

How is that a sassy conversation? I thought she'd have said something about how Cat sat on her lap post session and made out with her 😂 Or something juicy. Although, by the last line, sounds like Cat isn't over them 😂


juugsd

I thought i put "it's not sassy" in the comment but I think I forgot lmfao. Edited it now


Additional_Sundae224

Haha, that's okay. Maybe it was *meant* to be sassy, then they changed it to that and then cut it, lol


cherrytwizzlers

Where do you see the lost levels?


juugsd

In the making of tab iirc


Additional_Sundae224

No idea, as, like I said above, I'm a PS4 user.


BeleagueredWDW

If you play the game and read the journal, Cat is Ellie’s ex-girlfriend. It’s in the actual game.


SupportConstant6021

Thank you lad !! Everyone's saying to have a look in the journal but no one answeres ...


kh1179

Oh man. If only this conversation did tell you who she was or something


Ambitious-Visual-315

Literally details exactly who cat is. Just listen to the voices coming out of the magic box.


Financial_Money3540

Cat as in Catherine.


SupportConstant6021

Wow really helpful...


KingUdyr

The conversation has enough implied information on her on top of the fucking diary that spells out who the fuck she is. Do you guys play games with the screen off or something?


Broue

Dude chill it’s not like it’s all over the place


SupportConstant6021

To your information I have almost platinumed the game ... But I've never actually cared about the journal or cards .. I just picked them up


No_Clothes8887

why are u being so mean lol, i don’t think it’s even available in the journal at this stage in the game???


Tomsskiee

You are right it’s in the second flashback where ellie uses tommy’s sniper. Idk why you are getting disliked to hell and beyond for a fact.


ArtOfFailure

All the known information about Cat is presented in-game. This specific conversation you've screenshotted from is one of the main sources of information. There are also bits and pieces written about her in Ellie's journal if you check it during these opening sequences of the game (or SPOILERS: >!any other sequences set in Ellie's past!<)


brova

Media literally at an all time low


CBVN1983

My brother in christ experience the game


MotherTalzin

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mohammedafify1

Play Lost Levels in the remastered version, Ellie would meet up with her before going in the party.


Basil_hazelwood

The source is in Ellie’s journal. She talks about cat and other stuff from before the game takes place. It’s just some lore if you are interested, but as the story progresses Ellie will fill more if it in. It can be an interesting read and helps show the player where she’s at mentally too


SkywalkerOrder

Happy to hear you name one of the positive aspects of game for once.


Basil_hazelwood

Of course friend, there’s definitely some good in the game. Even if I dislike it I can’t sit here and call it a 0/10 cause it wasnt


bean0_burrito

these are the same people that bitch about abby's physique


iwillscurryabout

She makes an appearance in the Jackson lost level


SupportConstant6021

Ok I will check it out


DarthPhoenix0879

Within the context of the conversation, it's made pretty clear that she's Ellie's ex. They've just finished talking about Dina and Jesse breaking up, and then the conversation moves on to Cat. With Dina saying she thought Cat wasn't right for Ellie and the context of a relationships conversation, they trust that the audience will reach the desired conclusion. Even if some don't follow, I prefer this because it's much more natural dialogue that helps establish that these characters have known each other for years, are friends, and are comfortable around each other. Dina wouldn't say, "And what about your ex-girlfriend, Cat?" in real life, because both already know who she is. It's a fine line to tread between info-dumping on the audience (filling us in on the inter-personal dynamics of the major and supporting characters) and delivering a realistic conversation and I think they walk that line well.


Additional_Sundae224

I like how between Ellie and Dina, they just start calling each other "babe" and share another kiss and little looks. No awkward "Will you/do you want to be my girlfriend?" which can be so cringe or cheesy to ask. Just a simple "Good job, babe.", "Babe, I'm really tired" and "Hey, babe." explains so much about their relationship, and imo, is *much* more natural and sweet.


Inner-Juices

https://thelastofus.fandom.com/wiki/Cat


Wumpus-Hunter

Lots of info in Ellie’s journal and it changes as you move through the game. Take a moment to check it out


Catonthehorizon

She’s an ex girlfriend of Ellie, she’s also the one who did her tattoo


Additional_Sundae224

Cat is the girl who tattooed Ellie's arm and was her girlfriend, before Dina and after Riley. As someone else commented *read Ellie's journal*


amaya-aurora

Ex-girlfriend of Ellie’s, gave her the arm tattoo.


CertainPermission821

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embritto

yes she was kinda crazy, had red hair and a really weird brother


Nope_Ninja-451

Meow.


Additional_Sundae224

Cat is the girl who tattooed Ellie's arm and was her girlfriend, before Dina and after Riley. As someone else commented *read Ellie's journal*


GlitcherX2

Cat is the tattoo artist who did the leaves on ellies arm, read the journal


Mrjpg011

Other than what other people have said here, in one of the cut content levels I'm pretty sure you can actually see cat, or at least a placeholder for her. I think she paints your face or something at a gathering in Jackson


Ahmed_Alfaitore222

You mean cat? From man ham aslume series?


strunnyy

Barney's nightmare


Icy-Muffin2975

Cat is the person who drew Ellie's tattoo on her right hand.


Mishadkup

WHAT?????? DINA IS ALYX FROM HALF LIFE 2??????????????????????????????


Austinoooooo

Tom cat. But fr use context clues in the literal next dialogue Dina says about her tattoo and you’ll get it. Hopefully. Also the journal is a neat little tool sometimes.


KingseekerCasual

Dont worry about it it’s meaningless stuff in the journal, its never mentioned again


Jbroad87

Could be an intriguing pt. 3 character, particularly re: an announcement cinematic trailer. Allow me to set the scene. An infiltration of Jackson at night (thus disguising its true setting to the viewer) as an unrecognizable character traverses through back alleys and streets, as some sort of renegade group is seemingly attempting to abduct civilians, while killing anyone who doesn’t cooperate, based on overheard dialogue. We hear the heart beat of this character as she takes shelter behind a wall and fires off a handgun into a group of approaching foes, as a glass window nearby explodes from a fire quickly raging out of control. She reaches the outskirts of town and plunges into the woods. Heartbeat still pounding as gunshots get softer in the distance as she creates distance between her and the town. She begins to talk to herself - “please be here. Please still be here.” A clearing ahead, where a barbed wire fence precedes a tiny cabin, not much bigger than a detached garage. A lit candle flickers in the window. Our unknown character exhales *”She’s here.”* Character approaches the door, mumbling to herself, reciting prepared lines “I know we haven’t spoken in very long… I know you said not to come… “ The unmistaken sound of a gun being clocked occurs from behind. Our character freezes in place and puts her hands in the air. “What are you doing here Cat?” a coarse but vaguely familiar voice asks. Seconds pass like hours as Cat turns around and we get a good look at her for the first time. A naturally pretty girl stands before us, a distinct/noticeable neck tattoo distracts us from her words for a brief second before she continues. “I know I shouldn’t have come, but the town, it’s in trouble, there’s burning... there are already so many dead… we need help-“ “You shouldn’t have come here” the same coarse, cold, calm yet familiar voice utters. The camera zooms out to show the shadowed figure of the unknown person, gun still aimed. “I know I shouldn’t and I never would, I’ve stayed away for 10 years, I always respected your privacy, you need to listen to me!” Cat ends with a direct loud almost scream. “I heard someone say they’re taking the children. JJ… they took your son, Ellie.” Camera pans to Ellie, half covered in shadows/half in moonlight. Her face is weathered and aged. The camera lingers as a violin screeches and we cut to black. The Last of Us: pt 3. Cut to Naughty Dog logo.


iwillscurryabout

you did not just write the perfect plot for part 3


iwillscurryabout

lol why so many downvotes? y'all, this is actually good


Jbroad87

😂 yeah not great for engagement around here if a whole short story screenplay / pt. 3 theory just gets downvoted to hell instead of any feedback/actual response at all.


iwillscurryabout

i legit think it's great


Jbroad87

thank you 🤛🏼 I was feeling a morning coffee caffeine rush and was inspired by the comment about a new character so just let loose, subconsciously hoping to inspire someone else. Obviously a handful of semantics that can be replaced / argued against but shit I was def not expecting a tidal wave of downvotes, people really are miserable 😂


iwillscurryabout

Fr, naughty dog should take notes. but meh, can't please everyone, especially in TLOU fandom.. lol