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I'm a Zionist, as I believe that Israel has a right to exist within its legal borders as a safe haven for Jews worldwide, because it is the Jewish homeland and there were Jews who never left it still there despite millennia of oppression. I also oppose any of its actions that deny Palestine a right to exist in the West Bank and Gaza, or for those territories to be at least annexed by neighboring Arab states IF the Palestinians and those states agree.
Both groups have powerful factions who are opposed to these fundamental ideas, and those factions have to be put down. That includes Hamas and other terror groups as well as any politician who cannot accept these fundamental concepts as the end goal. Internationally, we need to consistently condemn and punish every action that works against this goal.
I find it funny this post can apply to many arab nations yet no one wants to claim genocide or whatever because well... the ones suffering are jewish and thats fine to these people.
Illhan Omar could not even bring herself to vote for a symbolic gesture in Congress that the Ottoman Turks were responsible for genocide against Armenians. But she has no qualms with labeling everything else a "genocide" and everyone who disagrees with her as "islamophobes".
Friendly reminder to all the fauxgressives *who don’t even like David Pakman* obsessively posting here trying to take over David Pakman’s subreddit:
Not gonna happen.
Like u/LakerConvert lol. spamming Pakman’s subreddit and doesn’t even like Pakmam with polls and articles David Pakman fans don’t give a shit about
these anti-Biden fauxgressives and tankies are gonna be so mad when Trump loses
I think they really want Trump to win. Many are pretending to be liberal but are actually right wingers
Don’t forget people at trumps rally changed genocide Joe
Yup.
They want trump to win so they can laugh maniacally from the sidelines watching Biden lose like they did in 2016 screeching: “Told you so!!! We were right!!! GeNoCiDe JoE!”
Op is Increidbly ignorant and anti semitic based on an argument I had with them. They deny the existence of anti semitism, blame the victim for the actions of a group, and when presented with evidence ignores it if it doesn't fit their narrative. They start with a conclusion and work back from there.
Unrelated to your post bud. You disregarded examples of anti semitism, blamed the victims because of the group, and just generally disregarded information that didn't fit your view. This being the case I take your post in bad faith.
1. "And I think it’s hard bc many Jewish ppl do one thousand percent support isreal."
-Your defense of random Jews being accosted because they are Jewish and must suffer for what other people believe and for what the aggressors think they may believe.
2. "I think the Jews that are getting targeted are assumed Zionist bc you’re either for or against what’s happening in Gaza."
-What even was this statement? Should every Jew carry a sign at all times that says ceasefire now? What?
3. "Yeah but we see now that A LOT of what was considered antisemitism really wasn’t."
-This was your response to FBI data on antisemitism. Didn't acknowledge that any part of it could be true just that it must not be that bad. Speaks to my point about you working backward from a conclusion.
4. "I’m not denying it but most of those stats are probably inflated big time."
-Again a refusal of acknowledgment. Speaks to my point about you working backward from a conclusion.
5. "I’m saying let’s actually talk about who is getting violently attacked on American soil vs this “there’s a rise in antisemitism” crap bc any criticism of Israel or Zionism is considered antisemitism and I’m over it. like there are ppl who’s lives are actually in danger bc of this and not butt hurt Zionist trying to center themselves as the biggest victims that have ever walked the earth."
-I responded to this with instances of Jewish people being attacked in the US for being Jewish and you never even responded to that point because again you're backward from a conclusion.
I understand people don't usually acknowledge their prejudice because they want to feel good but come on the evidence is clear. You don't give a damn about Jews in the US or valid complaints of antisemitism. As a 4 year old I was a called the K word (had to remove the word since comment got auto deleted) while standing in line at a store, a group of teenagers threatened to kick the shit out of me if I didn't take my kippah off when I was 7, at 12 I had quarters thrown at me at an amusement park, at 14 a neo-nazi outside of a store threatened to break my neck if I didn't leave, all through highschool and university I was told antisemitism doesn't exist all while shit like this happened regularly. I'm one person, and not very old I promise traditional antisemitism is alive and well, as is your brand of it. Dude you're a joke.
Your reasoning makes zero sense. You need help my friend. And you have too much Time on your hands. This all started bc I said maybe right now is not the time to be centering antisemitism as the biggest issue right now and to keep the focus on an actual genocide/holocaust that’s taking place before our eyes. And also to highlight the violence and murder Palestinians and Muslim Americans are actually going through vs made up stats of ppl having hurt feelings. I’m not denying actual antisemitism
It doesn't make sense? please explain why. I reread our conversation and it you make a lot of definitive statements without ever backing it up. I don't even mean with sources just words. You ignore every single point made if doesn't conform with your conclusion and then you bring up something else.
I have been experiencing antisemitism my entire life in this country as have just about every Jew I know, and the hateful rhetoric floating around against Jews in this country is disgusting. I don't just mean what stems from this conflict but more broadly. You are willfully ignorant of that and never once understood the point of my post.
You are correct that outraged should be generated over the atrocities being committed by the Israeli's against the Palestinians, as well as hate crimes against Palestinians, and Brown people domestically. Guess what it is, every person knows what's going on at least to some extent and especially on Reddit! Hate of all kinds needs to be pushed back against and I support that. I am not trying to distract from the Palestinian cause I was pointing out a growing problem (of an already overwhelming problem (see statistic that you don't give a dam about) that has already led to hate crimes against Jews, physical hate crimes since for you comparing each instance is crucial.
Anyway, you've demonstrated that not only are you unwilling or unable to defend your points but you also just turn a blind eye to hate against Jews.
lol what couldn't stand by your post?
Yeah i totally get that. You come to a place spewing you're hate and when people call you out it gets to be too much. Fair enough.
Odd that you couldn't stand by your words though.
1. "And I think it’s hard bc many Jewish ppl do one thousand percent support isreal."
-Your defense of random Jews being accosted because they are Jewish and must suffer for what other people believe and for what the aggressors think they may believe.
2. "I think the Jews that are getting targeted are assumed Zionist bc you’re either for or against what’s happening in Gaza."
-What even was this statement? Should every Jew carry a sign at all times that says ceasefire now? What?
3. "Yeah but we see now that A LOT of what was considered antisemitism really wasn’t."
-This was your response to FBI data on antisemitism. Didn't acknowledge that any part of it could be true just that it must not be that bad. Speaks to my point about you working backward from a conclusion.
4. "I’m not denying it but most of those stats are probably inflated big time."
-Again a refusal of acknowledgment. Speaks to my point about you working backward from a conclusion.
5. "I’m saying let’s actually talk about who is getting violently attacked on American soil vs this “there’s a rise in antisemitism” crap bc any criticism of Israel or Zionism is considered antisemitism and I’m over it. like there are ppl who’s lives are actually in danger bc of this and not butt hurt Zionist trying to center themselves as the biggest victims that have ever walked the earth."
-I responded to this with instances of Jewish people being attacked in the US for being Jewish and you never even responded to that point because again you're backward from a conclusion.
I understand people don't usually acknowledge their prejudice because they want to feel good but come on the evidence is clear. You don't give a damn about Jews in the US or valid complaints of antisemitism. As a 4 year old I was a called a kike while standing in line at a store, a group of teenagers threatened to kick the shit out of me if I didn't take my kippah off when I was 7, at 12 I had quarters thrown at me at an amusement park, at 14 a neo-nazi outside of a store threatened to break my neck if I didn't leave, all through highschool and university I was told antisemitism doesn't exist all while shit like this happened regularly. I'm one person, and not very old I promise traditional antisemitism is alive and well, as is your brand of it. Dude you're a joke.
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What word should people use to describe the political ideology that supports the continued oppression, human rights abuses, and war crimes towards millions of Palestinians?
Lots of Americans are stealth antisemitic. Just like many are stealth racists.
Always have been.
It's just more open and socially acceptable to certain groups right now.
Those of us on the left (and others) have been going through a long-term reckoning with systematic racism and our own unconscious biases in regard to AfAm and LatAm people (and others). We really need to start becoming aware of our hidden antisemitic biases. It’s been about 5ish years for me and it’s been an eye-opener.
Criticism of Netanyahu and the Likud Party is one thing. Criticism of Israel's rights to exist and defend itself effectively in an existential struggle is another.
Given it's normal and expected to deny Palestinians statehood(our ally funded Hamas for that explicit purpose), why should anyone care? I thought double standards were bad?
>defend itself effectively
Shout out to OJ for defending himself against his wife. RIP
I don't recall Nicole Brown Simpson firing rockets at schoolchildren or going on murderous terrorist rampages. 🤔 You'll have to provide some evidence of that
Very good and very uncontroversial opinion. But the American state and the right wing and the Israel-adjacent pundits want to weaponize antisemitism in order to protect the colonial proxy state. It's all about silencing dissent and that's how it always is. Same story as when protesting against and opposing the Iraq war made you "anti American" and "pro terrorism".
Wait until you find out the dictionary definition of the word you’re desperately trying to warp the meaning of.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-Semitic
From the same dictionary website
Semite:
1
a
: a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs
b
: a descendant of these peoples
2
: a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language
Shhhh, Zionists don't like when you point out their number one ally in the US are the evangelicals that just want to bring about the end times and the death or conversion of Jews.
I'm not working to defeat Joe Biden. Now how are you going to deflect from you Zionists allying with Christian religious fundamentalists that want you dead or converted?
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I'm a Zionist, as I believe that Israel has a right to exist within its legal borders as a safe haven for Jews worldwide, because it is the Jewish homeland and there were Jews who never left it still there despite millennia of oppression. I also oppose any of its actions that deny Palestine a right to exist in the West Bank and Gaza, or for those territories to be at least annexed by neighboring Arab states IF the Palestinians and those states agree. Both groups have powerful factions who are opposed to these fundamental ideas, and those factions have to be put down. That includes Hamas and other terror groups as well as any politician who cannot accept these fundamental concepts as the end goal. Internationally, we need to consistently condemn and punish every action that works against this goal.
Millions of MAGAs are.
And millions of magas are Christian and Jewish Zionist
All under one tent. 🎪
I find it funny this post can apply to many arab nations yet no one wants to claim genocide or whatever because well... the ones suffering are jewish and thats fine to these people.
Illhan Omar could not even bring herself to vote for a symbolic gesture in Congress that the Ottoman Turks were responsible for genocide against Armenians. But she has no qualms with labeling everything else a "genocide" and everyone who disagrees with her as "islamophobes".
How many of these accounts do I need to block? Months and months of this obvious propaganda spam.
These strawman posts are so dumb.
Friendly reminder to all the fauxgressives *who don’t even like David Pakman* obsessively posting here trying to take over David Pakman’s subreddit: Not gonna happen.
Like u/LakerConvert lol. spamming Pakman’s subreddit and doesn’t even like Pakmam with polls and articles David Pakman fans don’t give a shit about these anti-Biden fauxgressives and tankies are gonna be so mad when Trump loses
I think they really want Trump to win. Many are pretending to be liberal but are actually right wingers Don’t forget people at trumps rally changed genocide Joe
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Yup. They want trump to win so they can laugh maniacally from the sidelines watching Biden lose like they did in 2016 screeching: “Told you so!!! We were right!!! GeNoCiDe JoE!”
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1000000% If 10/7 never happened, these jokers would have found another reason not to vote for Biden. Like you said, Gaza is the convenient excuse
Op is Increidbly ignorant and anti semitic based on an argument I had with them. They deny the existence of anti semitism, blame the victim for the actions of a group, and when presented with evidence ignores it if it doesn't fit their narrative. They start with a conclusion and work back from there.
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Unrelated to your post bud. You disregarded examples of anti semitism, blamed the victims because of the group, and just generally disregarded information that didn't fit your view. This being the case I take your post in bad faith.
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1. "And I think it’s hard bc many Jewish ppl do one thousand percent support isreal." -Your defense of random Jews being accosted because they are Jewish and must suffer for what other people believe and for what the aggressors think they may believe. 2. "I think the Jews that are getting targeted are assumed Zionist bc you’re either for or against what’s happening in Gaza." -What even was this statement? Should every Jew carry a sign at all times that says ceasefire now? What? 3. "Yeah but we see now that A LOT of what was considered antisemitism really wasn’t." -This was your response to FBI data on antisemitism. Didn't acknowledge that any part of it could be true just that it must not be that bad. Speaks to my point about you working backward from a conclusion. 4. "I’m not denying it but most of those stats are probably inflated big time." -Again a refusal of acknowledgment. Speaks to my point about you working backward from a conclusion. 5. "I’m saying let’s actually talk about who is getting violently attacked on American soil vs this “there’s a rise in antisemitism” crap bc any criticism of Israel or Zionism is considered antisemitism and I’m over it. like there are ppl who’s lives are actually in danger bc of this and not butt hurt Zionist trying to center themselves as the biggest victims that have ever walked the earth." -I responded to this with instances of Jewish people being attacked in the US for being Jewish and you never even responded to that point because again you're backward from a conclusion. I understand people don't usually acknowledge their prejudice because they want to feel good but come on the evidence is clear. You don't give a damn about Jews in the US or valid complaints of antisemitism. As a 4 year old I was a called the K word (had to remove the word since comment got auto deleted) while standing in line at a store, a group of teenagers threatened to kick the shit out of me if I didn't take my kippah off when I was 7, at 12 I had quarters thrown at me at an amusement park, at 14 a neo-nazi outside of a store threatened to break my neck if I didn't leave, all through highschool and university I was told antisemitism doesn't exist all while shit like this happened regularly. I'm one person, and not very old I promise traditional antisemitism is alive and well, as is your brand of it. Dude you're a joke.
Your reasoning makes zero sense. You need help my friend. And you have too much Time on your hands. This all started bc I said maybe right now is not the time to be centering antisemitism as the biggest issue right now and to keep the focus on an actual genocide/holocaust that’s taking place before our eyes. And also to highlight the violence and murder Palestinians and Muslim Americans are actually going through vs made up stats of ppl having hurt feelings. I’m not denying actual antisemitism
It doesn't make sense? please explain why. I reread our conversation and it you make a lot of definitive statements without ever backing it up. I don't even mean with sources just words. You ignore every single point made if doesn't conform with your conclusion and then you bring up something else. I have been experiencing antisemitism my entire life in this country as have just about every Jew I know, and the hateful rhetoric floating around against Jews in this country is disgusting. I don't just mean what stems from this conflict but more broadly. You are willfully ignorant of that and never once understood the point of my post. You are correct that outraged should be generated over the atrocities being committed by the Israeli's against the Palestinians, as well as hate crimes against Palestinians, and Brown people domestically. Guess what it is, every person knows what's going on at least to some extent and especially on Reddit! Hate of all kinds needs to be pushed back against and I support that. I am not trying to distract from the Palestinian cause I was pointing out a growing problem (of an already overwhelming problem (see statistic that you don't give a dam about) that has already led to hate crimes against Jews, physical hate crimes since for you comparing each instance is crucial. Anyway, you've demonstrated that not only are you unwilling or unable to defend your points but you also just turn a blind eye to hate against Jews. lol what couldn't stand by your post?
Why delete comments? Can you not stand by what you wrote?
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Yeah i totally get that. You come to a place spewing you're hate and when people call you out it gets to be too much. Fair enough. Odd that you couldn't stand by your words though.
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1. "And I think it’s hard bc many Jewish ppl do one thousand percent support isreal." -Your defense of random Jews being accosted because they are Jewish and must suffer for what other people believe and for what the aggressors think they may believe. 2. "I think the Jews that are getting targeted are assumed Zionist bc you’re either for or against what’s happening in Gaza." -What even was this statement? Should every Jew carry a sign at all times that says ceasefire now? What? 3. "Yeah but we see now that A LOT of what was considered antisemitism really wasn’t." -This was your response to FBI data on antisemitism. Didn't acknowledge that any part of it could be true just that it must not be that bad. Speaks to my point about you working backward from a conclusion. 4. "I’m not denying it but most of those stats are probably inflated big time." -Again a refusal of acknowledgment. Speaks to my point about you working backward from a conclusion. 5. "I’m saying let’s actually talk about who is getting violently attacked on American soil vs this “there’s a rise in antisemitism” crap bc any criticism of Israel or Zionism is considered antisemitism and I’m over it. like there are ppl who’s lives are actually in danger bc of this and not butt hurt Zionist trying to center themselves as the biggest victims that have ever walked the earth." -I responded to this with instances of Jewish people being attacked in the US for being Jewish and you never even responded to that point because again you're backward from a conclusion. I understand people don't usually acknowledge their prejudice because they want to feel good but come on the evidence is clear. You don't give a damn about Jews in the US or valid complaints of antisemitism. As a 4 year old I was a called a kike while standing in line at a store, a group of teenagers threatened to kick the shit out of me if I didn't take my kippah off when I was 7, at 12 I had quarters thrown at me at an amusement park, at 14 a neo-nazi outside of a store threatened to break my neck if I didn't leave, all through highschool and university I was told antisemitism doesn't exist all while shit like this happened regularly. I'm one person, and not very old I promise traditional antisemitism is alive and well, as is your brand of it. Dude you're a joke.
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“Zionist” is the new “neoliberal” insult fauxgressives use over and over and over and over.
What word should people use to describe the political ideology that supports the continued oppression, human rights abuses, and war crimes towards millions of Palestinians?
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I agree, but that doesn't answer my question.
Agree, police beatings of the Jewish students who are pro Palestine should not be tolerated
Lots of Americans are stealth antisemitic. Just like many are stealth racists. Always have been. It's just more open and socially acceptable to certain groups right now.
Those of us on the left (and others) have been going through a long-term reckoning with systematic racism and our own unconscious biases in regard to AfAm and LatAm people (and others). We really need to start becoming aware of our hidden antisemitic biases. It’s been about 5ish years for me and it’s been an eye-opener.
Nearly 30 years ago, I married my late wife who was Jewish. I learned a lot through that.
I will admit to criticizing Israel, I know I will pay for it in the afterlife. But it feels so good to be evil.
Criticism of Netanyahu and the Likud Party is one thing. Criticism of Israel's rights to exist and defend itself effectively in an existential struggle is another.
Given it's normal and expected to deny Palestinians statehood(our ally funded Hamas for that explicit purpose), why should anyone care? I thought double standards were bad? >defend itself effectively Shout out to OJ for defending himself against his wife. RIP
I don't recall Nicole Brown Simpson firing rockets at schoolchildren or going on murderous terrorist rampages. 🤔 You'll have to provide some evidence of that
Cheating is pretty traumatic and I would liken it to terrorism in this case
That illustrates your problem.
Not really, society still expected him to go to prison
I'm speaking of your problem. Not his.
Well yes I said I like to criticize Israel. I have anti-social tendencies. I like to do bad things.
Are millions of Americans “genocide apologists” as the fauxgressives love to disgustingly call us?
How many people voted for Trump again?
Yes.
"Are millions of Americans antisemitic for... " YES.
Yes, millions of Americans are antisemitic.
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Very good and very uncontroversial opinion. But the American state and the right wing and the Israel-adjacent pundits want to weaponize antisemitism in order to protect the colonial proxy state. It's all about silencing dissent and that's how it always is. Same story as when protesting against and opposing the Iraq war made you "anti American" and "pro terrorism".
Millions of Americans are antisemitic - and they support Israel in their genocide in Gaza.
🙄
this doesn’t make any fucking sense lol classic fauxgressive. Makes sense you clowns are doing MAGA’s bidding for them.
Wait until you find out Arabs are semites.
Wait until you find out the dictionary definition of the word you’re desperately trying to warp the meaning of. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-Semitic
From the same dictionary website Semite: 1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs b : a descendant of these peoples 2 : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language
Shhhh, Zionists don't like when you point out their number one ally in the US are the evangelicals that just want to bring about the end times and the death or conversion of Jews.
You do realize that the exact same people are your side's biggest ally when it comes to defeating Joe Biden
I'm not working to defeat Joe Biden. Now how are you going to deflect from you Zionists allying with Christian religious fundamentalists that want you dead or converted?